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by Sarderia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:08 pm
by Greater Liverpool » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:45 am
by Sarderia » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:33 am
Greater Liverpool wrote:What is so hard for you just to accept that the dictator you put into power would not have public support why are you putting so much effort into stopping a rebel group which more then likely would have existed. You just trying to god mod it so it is in your favour from the get go rather then the more realistic approach and understanding your America your power to keep the regime comes from you being America and propping up dictators with cash and weapons. Mine comes from the people and there ability to resist. I think that this is perfectly reasonable and will make the RP funner. This is just making you look unreasonable and people in the rp want something like this it gives them an opportunity to get involved in the proxy wars that where so common place at this time.
by Greater Liverpool » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:53 am
Sarderia wrote:Greater Liverpool wrote:What is so hard for you just to accept that the dictator you put into power would not have public support why are you putting so much effort into stopping a rebel group which more then likely would have existed. You just trying to god mod it so it is in your favour from the get go rather then the more realistic approach and understanding your America your power to keep the regime comes from you being America and propping up dictators with cash and weapons. Mine comes from the people and there ability to resist. I think that this is perfectly reasonable and will make the RP funner. This is just making you look unreasonable and people in the rp want something like this it gives them an opportunity to get involved in the proxy wars that where so common place at this time.
Yeah... that's basically what I'm talking the whole time, so what's your point?
by Sarderia » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:08 am
by Greater Liverpool » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:53 am
Sarderia wrote:Greater Liverpool wrote:
Right if you are agreeing with me, then I am going to start writing a post about me having a pretty decent power base of public support then and then you can go on from there. Okay?
I want your posts being gradual. I don't want to have a full fledged rebellion, mass demonstration etc on Venezuela because it would be a god mod. You're going to bulid your power base step by step, probably circumventing Castillo's intelligence to reach the citizens, until you're ready to declare the rebellion.
And at this time, it should take a minimum of 5 to 10 IC years for you to start an open conflict with Castillo. You can't have an enormous power base out of nowhere. Sure there are many Venezuelans who hated Castillo, probably half of the population, but they would be afraid of dissenting since Castillo is a brutal dictator, and military presence is ubitquous (like North Korea).
by Sarderia » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:51 am
Greater Liverpool wrote:Sarderia wrote:I want your posts being gradual. I don't want to have a full fledged rebellion, mass demonstration etc on Venezuela because it would be a god mod. You're going to bulid your power base step by step, probably circumventing Castillo's intelligence to reach the citizens, until you're ready to declare the rebellion.
And at this time, it should take a minimum of 5 to 10 IC years for you to start an open conflict with Castillo. You can't have an enormous power base out of nowhere. Sure there are many Venezuelans who hated Castillo, probably half of the population, but they would be afraid of dissenting since Castillo is a brutal dictator, and military presence is ubitquous (like North Korea).
You don't get to decide how long it will take that is for the OP to decide on the things I post and just for a start, it took 5 years for Fidel Castro and company to overthrow Cuba so that is it.
by Greater Liverpool » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:12 am
Sarderia wrote:Greater Liverpool wrote:
You don't get to decide how long it will take that is for the OP to decide on the things I post and just for a start, it took 5 years for Fidel Castro and company to overthrow Cuba so that is it.
I will accept the bare minimum of 5 years. Either you take it or leave it. Cuba was plagued by constant instability and civil conflict because the US tried to institute democracy there, while in this timeline the US don't give a shit about democracy in Venezuela; they allowed Castro and his successors to be iron-fist dictators for over 50 years. That alone ahould make it longer.
by Monsone » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:31 am
Greater Liverpool wrote:Sarderia wrote:I will accept the bare minimum of 5 years. Either you take it or leave it. Cuba was plagued by constant instability and civil conflict because the US tried to institute democracy there, while in this timeline the US don't give a shit about democracy in Venezuela; they allowed Castro and his successors to be iron-fist dictators for over 50 years. That alone ahould make it longer.
If it was the case that there was a dictatorship for 50 years then that would mean more then likely there is some sort of rebellion/rebel group already operating. I really don't think you understand how dictatorial governments work or their relationship with the general population. I would think as would everyone and the CO-OP and OP that my group more than likely according to your timeline will have some sort of development. Not saying that they are ready to declare an open rebellion but more than likely now wage some sort of major Guerilla war in the countryside. But you know what I am done arguing I am just going to do some IC stuff if the OP or CO-OP void then that is okay but I just wanna play now.
Edit: Like everyone has said. You can not tell other players what to do with their nations only the CO-OPs and OP can do that. They run and they say what goes and what doesn't
by Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:11 am
Sarderia wrote:Greater Liverpool wrote:
You don't get to decide how long it will take that is for the OP to decide on the things I post and just for a start, it took 5 years for Fidel Castro and company to overthrow Cuba so that is it.
I will accept the bare minimum of 5 years. Either you take it or leave it. Cuba was plagued by constant instability and civil conflict because the US tried to institute democracy there, while in this timeline the US don't give a shit about democracy in Venezuela; they allowed Castro and his successors to be iron-fist dictators for over 50 years. That alone ahould make it longer.
by Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:13 am
Greater Liverpool wrote:Sarderia wrote:I will accept the bare minimum of 5 years. Either you take it or leave it. Cuba was plagued by constant instability and civil conflict because the US tried to institute democracy there, while in this timeline the US don't give a shit about democracy in Venezuela; they allowed Castro and his successors to be iron-fist dictators for over 50 years. That alone ahould make it longer.
If it was the case that there was a dictatorship for 50 years then that would mean more then likely there is some sort of rebellion/rebel group already operating. I really don't think you understand how dictatorial governments work or their relationship with the general population. I would think as would everyone and the CO-OP and OP that my group more than likely according to your timeline will have some sort of development. Not saying that they are ready to declare an open rebellion but more than likely now wage some sort of major Guerilla war in the countryside. But you know what I am done arguing I am just going to do some IC stuff if the OP or CO-OP void then that is okay but I just wanna play now.
Edit: Like everyone has said. You can not tell other players what to do with their nations only the CO-OPs and OP can do that. They run and they say what goes and what doesn't
by Sarderia » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:23 am
by Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:27 am
Sarderia wrote:I still want to see the Rebels player RP about how their movement gained public support, where the donors are, how it formed, and else. The lore doesn't reveal much except that it's a collection of Colombia-based movements that somehow suddenly decided to unite. That's very lacking for me, given the extremely vague backstory. I would not accept until the Rebel player gave a further detailed background, and they RPed how the movement became known to the public (and therefore gained their support), how did they evade Castillo's iron-tight grip on Venezuela, etc. Having a guerilla war suddenly isn't right.
by Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:43 pm
by Sao Nova Europa » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:45 pm
by Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:48 pm
by Fennoscandia Union » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:25 pm
Liberate Hong Kong, revolution of our times
by Exalted Inquellian State » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:37 pm
by Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:41 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:I'm sorry guys, but I'm gonna quit. I can't get any ideas for this.
by Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:42 pm
Fennoscandia Union wrote:I'm dropping out of this RP, bye.
by Wasi State » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:48 pm
by Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:50 pm
Wasi State wrote:Well there's my start to an attempt at espionage.
by Minskiev » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:56 pm
by Wasi State » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:58 pm
Minskiev wrote:Wow, I really need to get back into this. If the RP dies, it’ll be on my hands. But hey, the blood will be red ;D
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