Cold War RP III (Closed.)

[Sarderia]

I think that there is a point to insert the movement into Venezuelan politics as a whole. Castillo is known for his brutality, he could erase an entire village whose people has been formenting rebellion, however most likely NATO (Europe and the US) wouldn't bat an eye because Venezuela is a US satellite, so they're willing to tolerate whatever Castillo did as long as their investment and interests in South America is upheld by Castillo. There would be an international condemn to Venezuela (but not the US since they're not related), Castillo wouldn't care nonetheless. The rebel group could make an appearance in this phase.

For the sake of clearing this mess, I will color Venezuela differently in the map. However Castillo's actions would still be controlled by me. Greater Liverpool's rebel group could take control of an individual Venezuelan state, if and when they wrestle it out of Castillo's control.

[Greater Liverpool]

What is so hard for you just to accept that the dictator you put into power would not have public support why are you putting so much effort into stopping a rebel group which more then likely would have existed. You just trying to god mod it so it is in your favour from the get go rather then the more realistic approach and understanding your America your power to keep the regime comes from you being America and propping up dictators with cash and weapons. Mine comes from the people and there ability to resist. I think that this is perfectly reasonable and will make the RP funner. This is just making you look unreasonable and people in the rp want something like this it gives them an opportunity to get involved in the proxy wars that where so common place at this time.

[Sarderia]

What is so hard for you just to accept that the dictator you put into power would not have public support why are you putting so much effort into stopping a rebel group which more then likely would have existed. You just trying to god mod it so it is in your favour from the get go rather then the more realistic approach and understanding your America your power to keep the regime comes from you being America and propping up dictators with cash and weapons. Mine comes from the people and there ability to resist. I think that this is perfectly reasonable and will make the RP funner. This is just making you look unreasonable and people in the rp want something like this it gives them an opportunity to get involved in the proxy wars that where so common place at this time.

Yeah... that's basically what I'm talking the whole time, so what's your point?

[Greater Liverpool]

What is so hard for you just to accept that the dictator you put into power would not have public support why are you putting so much effort into stopping a rebel group which more then likely would have existed. You just trying to god mod it so it is in your favour from the get go rather then the more realistic approach and understanding your America your power to keep the regime comes from you being America and propping up dictators with cash and weapons. Mine comes from the people and there ability to resist. I think that this is perfectly reasonable and will make the RP funner. This is just making you look unreasonable and people in the rp want something like this it gives them an opportunity to get involved in the proxy wars that where so common place at this time.

Yeah... that's basically what I'm talking the whole time, so what's your point?

Right if you are agreeing with me, then I am going to start writing a post about me having a pretty decent power base of public support then and then you can go on from there. Okay?

[Sarderia]

Yeah... that's basically what I'm talking the whole time, so what's your point?

Right if you are agreeing with me, then I am going to start writing a post about me having a pretty decent power base of public support then and then you can go on from there. Okay?

I want your posts being gradual. I don't want to have a full fledged rebellion, mass demonstration etc on Venezuela because it would be a god mod. You're going to bulid your power base step by step, probably circumventing Castillo's intelligence to reach the citizens, until you're ready to declare the rebellion.

And at this time, it should take a minimum of 5 to 10 IC years for you to start an open conflict with Castillo. You can't have an enormous power base out of nowhere. Sure there are many Venezuelans who hated Castillo, probably half of the population, but they would be afraid of dissenting since Castillo is a brutal dictator, and military presence is ubitquous (like North Korea).

[Greater Liverpool]

Right if you are agreeing with me, then I am going to start writing a post about me having a pretty decent power base of public support then and then you can go on from there. Okay?

I want your posts being gradual. I don't want to have a full fledged rebellion, mass demonstration etc on Venezuela because it would be a god mod. You're going to bulid your power base step by step, probably circumventing Castillo's intelligence to reach the citizens, until you're ready to declare the rebellion.

And at this time, it should take a minimum of 5 to 10 IC years for you to start an open conflict with Castillo. You can't have an enormous power base out of nowhere. Sure there are many Venezuelans who hated Castillo, probably half of the population, but they would be afraid of dissenting since Castillo is a brutal dictator, and military presence is ubitquous (like North Korea).

You don't get to decide how long it will take that is for the OP to decide on the things I post and just for a start, it took 5 years for Fidel Castro and company to overthrow Cuba so that is it.

[Sarderia]

I want your posts being gradual. I don't want to have a full fledged rebellion, mass demonstration etc on Venezuela because it would be a god mod. You're going to bulid your power base step by step, probably circumventing Castillo's intelligence to reach the citizens, until you're ready to declare the rebellion.

And at this time, it should take a minimum of 5 to 10 IC years for you to start an open conflict with Castillo. You can't have an enormous power base out of nowhere. Sure there are many Venezuelans who hated Castillo, probably half of the population, but they would be afraid of dissenting since Castillo is a brutal dictator, and military presence is ubitquous (like North Korea).

You don't get to decide how long it will take that is for the OP to decide on the things I post and just for a start, it took 5 years for Fidel Castro and company to overthrow Cuba so that is it.

I will accept the bare minimum of 5 years. Either you take it or leave it. Cuba was plagued by constant instability and civil conflict because the US tried to institute democracy there, while in this timeline the US don't give a shit about democracy in Venezuela; they allowed Castro and his successors to be iron-fist dictators for over 50 years. That alone ahould make it longer.

[Greater Liverpool]

You don't get to decide how long it will take that is for the OP to decide on the things I post and just for a start, it took 5 years for Fidel Castro and company to overthrow Cuba so that is it.

I will accept the bare minimum of 5 years. Either you take it or leave it. Cuba was plagued by constant instability and civil conflict because the US tried to institute democracy there, while in this timeline the US don't give a shit about democracy in Venezuela; they allowed Castro and his successors to be iron-fist dictators for over 50 years. That alone ahould make it longer.

If it was the case that there was a dictatorship for 50 years then that would mean more then likely there is some sort of rebellion/rebel group already operating. I really don't think you understand how dictatorial governments work or their relationship with the general population. I would think as would everyone and the CO-OP and OP that my group more than likely according to your timeline will have some sort of development. Not saying that they are ready to declare an open rebellion but more than likely now wage some sort of major Guerilla war in the countryside. But you know what I am done arguing I am just going to do some IC stuff if the OP or CO-OP void then that is okay but I just wanna play now.

Edit: Like everyone has said. You can not tell other players what to do with their nations only the CO-OPs and OP can do that. They run and they say what goes and what doesn't

[Monsone]

I will accept the bare minimum of 5 years. Either you take it or leave it. Cuba was plagued by constant instability and civil conflict because the US tried to institute democracy there, while in this timeline the US don't give a shit about democracy in Venezuela; they allowed Castro and his successors to be iron-fist dictators for over 50 years. That alone ahould make it longer.

If it was the case that there was a dictatorship for 50 years then that would mean more then likely there is some sort of rebellion/rebel group already operating. I really don't think you understand how dictatorial governments work or their relationship with the general population. I would think as would everyone and the CO-OP and OP that my group more than likely according to your timeline will have some sort of development. Not saying that they are ready to declare an open rebellion but more than likely now wage some sort of major Guerilla war in the countryside. But you know what I am done arguing I am just going to do some IC stuff if the OP or CO-OP void then that is okay but I just wanna play now.

Edit: Like everyone has said. You can not tell other players what to do with their nations only the CO-OPs and OP can do that. They run and they say what goes and what doesn't

Considering that there has been a Venezuelan dictatorship supported by the USA for 50 years, I'd say there already would be an established resistance movement. Much like other dictatorships, the very moment the dictator takes power, the dissent and opposition will begin. It will take years for that dissent to gain support, but 50 years seems like more than enough time.

[Mathuvan Union]

You don't get to decide how long it will take that is for the OP to decide on the things I post and just for a start, it took 5 years for Fidel Castro and company to overthrow Cuba so that is it.

I will accept the bare minimum of 5 years. Either you take it or leave it. Cuba was plagued by constant instability and civil conflict because the US tried to institute democracy there, while in this timeline the US don't give a shit about democracy in Venezuela; they allowed Castro and his successors to be iron-fist dictators for over 50 years. That alone ahould make it longer.

You don’t get to decide this, lad.
I’d say 1-2 years would be enough, because with your supporters still somehow staying in power for 50 years, a resistance movement certainly would have started. At least a grassroots movement.
There’s nothing saying Venezuela is also plagued by this, the lack of US support for the lower classes might plague Venezuela, along with foreign relations. People want a change.

[Mathuvan Union]

I will accept the bare minimum of 5 years. Either you take it or leave it. Cuba was plagued by constant instability and civil conflict because the US tried to institute democracy there, while in this timeline the US don't give a shit about democracy in Venezuela; they allowed Castro and his successors to be iron-fist dictators for over 50 years. That alone ahould make it longer.

If it was the case that there was a dictatorship for 50 years then that would mean more then likely there is some sort of rebellion/rebel group already operating. I really don't think you understand how dictatorial governments work or their relationship with the general population. I would think as would everyone and the CO-OP and OP that my group more than likely according to your timeline will have some sort of development. Not saying that they are ready to declare an open rebellion but more than likely now wage some sort of major Guerilla war in the countryside. But you know what I am done arguing I am just going to do some IC stuff if the OP or CO-OP void then that is okay but I just wanna play now.

Edit: Like everyone has said. You can not tell other players what to do with their nations only the CO-OPs and OP can do that. They run and they say what goes and what doesn't

This is correct.
Liverpool, you can’t declare a open rebellion but certainly you can maintain a guerrilla warfare styled rebellion of sorts. You can play this more like the FARC and less like the Beer Hall Putsch or whatever it’s called.

[Sarderia]

I still want to see the Rebels player RP about how their movement gained public support, where the donors are, how it formed, and else. The lore doesn't reveal much except that it's a collection of Colombia-based movements that somehow suddenly decided to unite. That's very lacking for me, given the extremely vague backstory. I would not accept until the Rebel player gave a further detailed background, and they RPed how the movement became known to the public (and therefore gained their support), how did they evade Castillo's iron-tight grip on Venezuela, etc. Having a guerilla war suddenly isn't right.

[Mathuvan Union]

I still want to see the Rebels player RP about how their movement gained public support, where the donors are, how it formed, and else. The lore doesn't reveal much except that it's a collection of Colombia-based movements that somehow suddenly decided to unite. That's very lacking for me, given the extremely vague backstory. I would not accept until the Rebel player gave a further detailed background, and they RPed how the movement became known to the public (and therefore gained their support), how did they evade Castillo's iron-tight grip on Venezuela, etc. Having a guerilla war suddenly isn't right.

Of course. It has to be everywhere in your favour. It’s been 50 years. 59 years of an iron fist dictatorship that people don’t want. We’ll sort out the donors, but rebel groups don’t always get the donations. Al-Qaeda was made by a rich person. And also the US. To stop the Russians in Afghanistan.
People always can evade dictators. Many escaped hitlers rule, and that was the the SS and gestapo.
Edit: Guerilla Warfare rebellion is perfectly fine, it’s not illegal

[Mathuvan Union]

No one has been on in hours…

[Sao Nova Europa]

Will be making a post tomorrow.

BTW, map need to be updated.

[Mathuvan Union]

Will be making a post tomorrow.

BTW, map need to be updated.

Yep, minskiev or sarderia plz do it; there is a bit of code for the map log now.

[Fennoscandia Union]

I'm dropping out of this RP, bye.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I'm sorry guys, but I'm gonna quit. I can't get any ideas for this.

[Mathuvan Union]

I'm sorry guys, but I'm gonna quit. I can't get any ideas for this.

Really? You were in this?
Sorry I don’t even remember. That’s sad.
I liked you in the old one. Maybe a chance would have done.

[Mathuvan Union]

I'm dropping out of this RP, bye.

What why?!

[Wasi State]

Well there's my start to an attempt at espionage.

[Mathuvan Union]

Well there's my start to an attempt at espionage.

Sneaky.
Imma post soon. Expect me spying and getting planes and a navy, but question: because in 1950 IRL Papua New Guinea was Australian, is it still mine here?

[Monsone]

Well there's my start to an attempt at espionage.

Sneaky.
Imma post soon. Expect me spying and getting planes and a navy, but question: because in 1950 IRL Papua New Guinea was Australian, is it still mine here?

Did you claim it?

[Minskiev]

Wow, I really need to get back into this. If the RP dies, it’ll be on my hands. But hey, the blood will be red ;D

[Wasi State]

Wow, I really need to get back into this. If the RP dies, it’ll be on my hands. But hey, the blood will be red ;D

Nah it can't die, if only because the concept is basically immortal, Cold War RPs are one a plenty.