Cold War RP III (Closed.)

[Fennoscandia Union]

While Sarderia is online, can he respond to the telegrams in the IC thread.

[Sarderia]

You are a rebellion fighting against the Venezuelan National Guard, in addition to the US military, and whatever CIA-funded jungle groups that would wage a counter-guerilla war against your group. Additionally, the CIA-backed groups would also make and smuggle cocaine discreetly (just like the Contras) to help them reach the lower population and to grant them additional funds. The chances are quite slim.

Also, Venezuelans has reaped the result of US rule in form of higher standards of living, so they're less likely to support you, perhaps.

You realize that to reach Venezuela's "lower population" (the poor?) you're going to need something different from cocaine. The Venezuelan poor are going to be drawn to the promise of a welfare state. The USA would consider a welfare state communist and not allow it. But it would sway the poor. And IRL, the reason Venezuela had such a high standard of living was because of welfare, something the USA has yet to IRL adopt fully, and something the USA in this RP certainly lacks.

Also, remember that Venezuela can legally hold an independence refferendum since it is not a state. Considering there are still Venezuelans who would remember an independent Venezuela as well as the fact Venezuela is extremely different culturally, ethnically, as well as linguistically from the USA makes the case of independence very appealing. Especially since all the tax money being taken from Venezuela would stay in Venezuela and not go to Washington D.C.

Sorry, let me rephrase that. I don't mean "the poor" because there's just as many poor people in America and in Venezuela proper at 1950. There is still a lot of immigrants who worked menial jobs and don't earn much as well in America. I meant the rural population that lives around Venezuela's montane and Amazonian regions, since there's where the rebel group would get most of their support base from.

Also, as with other independence referendum processes from the US, Washington is more than likely going to stall it as long as possible. Venezuela became a quasi-US territory before 1900, which made over 50% of the Venezuelan population natural-born US citizens now. If there are still people who remember what was Venezuela like before US administration, they are an older minority by now. Historically, Gran Colombia (and Venezuela) is marred by various conflicts, rebellions, and caudillismo - things that are not good at all for continuous stability, and 50 years under a relative peace under US administration certainly changed the perception of most of the older generation (that could still remember the days of Venezuelan republic). If you notice, only 5% of Puerto Ricans voted for independence, through many referendums - and I'd imagine the same case happens with Venezuela.

The Dominican Republic, which is also a Catholic, Spanish-speaking region is already an US state, so I don't see how much cultural differences would be unacceptable by the Americans. The USA in this RP is less racist than IRL (which is the reason they managed to gain the Canadian maritime Provinces, and why there are so few Loyalists in this American Revolution, because they promised freedom for slaves who joined the Patriot cause), so it's likely the Civil Rights movement would end up less bloody from the IRL counterpart. Simply put, the benefits of American rule outweights the benefits of independence, which made it less likely for them to start an independence movement.

Also not to mention that you would be loosing like loads of cash on trying to improve it. You say that oil can pay for it which it can but considering you took over the country in 1913 more then likely the oil is owned by private companies. There is also the fact that the great depression would completely destroy the region since I would guess the economy would be in the hands of the US. I think you have to accept that loosing Venezuela might be something.

As I said, the oil revenue is made a SWF (I referenced that earlier). I suggest you read my response to have a better perception of how Venezuela's economy works in this RP.

Why would I lose Venezuela? Your movement don't enjoy significant public support, and there is a native Venezuelan armed forces present in the territory, whose job is to stamp out any illegal secessionist movement like this one. I think the worst case Venezuela would have is to endure a long guerilla war just like the Colombian government with FARC.

It's under a puppet government similar to the Trust Territory of Pacific Islands (which has it's own President and national Government), but it's still technically a U.S. territory. The Venezuelans are US citizens similar to Puerto Rico. Additionally, Venezuelan "citizenship" is granted to every US citizen who owns a Venezuelan ID card. Currently, America is trying to industrialize Venezuela (building infrastructure, factories, expanding agricultural land, etc.) using the sale of it's natural resources as a Sovereign Wealth Fund (think the Government Pension Fund of Norway, or Temasek Holdings of Singapore). So, technically, there is little to no trickle from Venezuelan oil that reach US federal budget (this is considered common knowledge as well). The reason why is America's trying to maintain a good image in front of the South American countries, since at this time Venezuela hass the most advanced and prosperous economy of all South American nations, and also to promote the Capitalist economic system.

One thing that should be noted is that while Panama, Puerto Rico, and Venezuela are still territories of sorts, the Dominican Republic is a full-fledged American state. Even at this time Hawaii and Alaska are not yet US states. The reason is because Dominica wanted to join the Union as a state when Ulysses S. Grant was President (the Dominican President at that time negotiated Dominica's entry to the US).

I plan for both Panama and Puerto Rico to start the process of statehood soon, maybe about the end of 1950. For Venezuela, because they're already under an American puppet government, it would take longer.

Why would the 1950s USA let primarily Spanish speaking teritories become states? The racist policies of the USA would be undermined by said act, and you don't have the lore necessary to enforce those changes. Also, statehood is a long and complicated process that takes years, and requires congressional approval. And annexing a territory with an active insurgency? Congress would not allow that. And no matter how strong the Venezuelan economy is, it doesn't change the fact that welfare programs that McCarthy would deem communist where what gave Venezuela a high standard of living, not just some strong economy because if that is the case, China and the USA should top the HDI index, but they don't because economy alone doesn't really matter.

Because this is an alternate history, and in my lore I referenced the US is less racist than its IRL counterpart when it comes to this. Congress accepted Ulysses S. Grant's deal with Buenaventura Baez which allows the DR to become a state, and that's it.

While Sarderia is online, can he respond to the telegrams in the IC thread.

I'll respond it soon enough.

[Monsone]

You realize that to reach Venezuela's "lower population" (the poor?) you're going to need something different from cocaine. The Venezuelan poor are going to be drawn to the promise of a welfare state. The USA would consider a welfare state communist and not allow it. But it would sway the poor. And IRL, the reason Venezuela had such a high standard of living was because of welfare, something the USA has yet to IRL adopt fully, and something the USA in this RP certainly lacks.

Also, remember that Venezuela can legally hold an independence refferendum since it is not a state. Considering there are still Venezuelans who would remember an independent Venezuela as well as the fact Venezuela is extremely different culturally, ethnically, as well as linguistically from the USA makes the case of independence very appealing. Especially since all the tax money being taken from Venezuela would stay in Venezuela and not go to Washington D.C.

Sorry, let me rephrase that. I don't mean "the poor" because there's just as many poor people in America and in Venezuela proper at 1950. There is still a lot of immigrants who worked menial jobs and don't earn much as well in America. I meant the rural population that lives around Venezuela's montane and Amazonian regions, since there's where the rebel group would get most of their support base from.

Also, as with other independence referendum processes from the US, Washington is more than likely going to stall it as long as possible. Venezuela became a quasi-US territory before 1900, which made over 50% of the Venezuelan population natural-born US citizens now. If there are still people who remember what was Venezuela like before US administration, they are an older minority by now. Historically, Gran Colombia (and Venezuela) is marred by various conflicts, rebellions, and caudillismo - things that are not good at all for continuous stability, and 50 years under a relative peace under US administration certainly changed the perception of most of the older generation (that could still remember the days of Venezuelan republic). If you notice, only 5% of Puerto Ricans voted for independence, through many referendums - and I'd imagine the same case happens with Venezuela.

The Dominican Republic, which is also a Catholic, Spanish-speaking region is already an US state, so I don't see how much cultural differences would be unacceptable by the Americans. The USA in this RP is less racist than IRL (which is the reason they managed to gain the Canadian maritime Provinces, and why there are so few Loyalists in this American Revolution, because they promised freedom for slaves who joined the Patriot cause), so it's likely the Civil Rights movement would end up less bloody from the IRL counterpart. Simply put, the benefits of American rule outweights the benefits of independence, which made it less likely for them to start an independence movement.

Also not to mention that you would be loosing like loads of cash on trying to improve it. You say that oil can pay for it which it can but considering you took over the country in 1913 more then likely the oil is owned by private companies. There is also the fact that the great depression would completely destroy the region since I would guess the economy would be in the hands of the US. I think you have to accept that loosing Venezuela might be something.

As I said, the oil revenue is made a SWF (I referenced that earlier). I suggest you read my response to have a better perception of how Venezuela's economy works in this RP.

Why would I lose Venezuela? Your movement don't enjoy significant public support, and there is a native Venezuelan armed forces present in the territory, whose job is to stamp out any illegal secessionist movement like this one. I think the worst case Venezuela would have is to endure a long guerilla war just like the Colombian government with FARC.

Why would the 1950s USA let primarily Spanish speaking teritories become states? The racist policies of the USA would be undermined by said act, and you don't have the lore necessary to enforce those changes. Also, statehood is a long and complicated process that takes years, and requires congressional approval. And annexing a territory with an active insurgency? Congress would not allow that. And no matter how strong the Venezuelan economy is, it doesn't change the fact that welfare programs that McCarthy would deem communist where what gave Venezuela a high standard of living, not just some strong economy because if that is the case, China and the USA should top the HDI index, but they don't because economy alone doesn't really matter.

Because this is an alternate history, and in my lore I referenced the US is less racist than its IRL counterpart when it comes to this. Congress accepted Ulysses S. Grant's deal with Buenaventura Baez which allows the DR to become a state, and that's it.

While Sarderia is online, can he respond to the telegrams in the IC thread.

I'll respond it soon enough.

You can't just say "The USA was less racist" because that wouldn't happen. No alternate scenario would allow that change because the USA benefited to greatly off racisim. Especially the South (unless you still want the Confederacy to be a thing). I'm going to say void to the USA being less racist because that is impossible. Also realize Puerto Rico voted for independence when nobody could remember anything but US rule because they would be 100+ and even then, they would have been s young child under Spanish rule, and wouldn't be able to recall much about Spanish rule. In contrast, basically all Venezuelans either remember pre-US rule or known someone who does. And the offer of independence and a stable democracy is going to be well liked by the populace in general.

[Sarderia]

Sorry, let me rephrase that. I don't mean "the poor" because there's just as many poor people in America and in Venezuela proper at 1950. There is still a lot of immigrants who worked menial jobs and don't earn much as well in America. I meant the rural population that lives around Venezuela's montane and Amazonian regions, since there's where the rebel group would get most of their support base from.

Also, as with other independence referendum processes from the US, Washington is more than likely going to stall it as long as possible. Venezuela became a quasi-US territory before 1900, which made over 50% of the Venezuelan population natural-born US citizens now. If there are still people who remember what was Venezuela like before US administration, they are an older minority by now. Historically, Gran Colombia (and Venezuela) is marred by various conflicts, rebellions, and caudillismo - things that are not good at all for continuous stability, and 50 years under a relative peace under US administration certainly changed the perception of most of the older generation (that could still remember the days of Venezuelan republic). If you notice, only 5% of Puerto Ricans voted for independence, through many referendums - and I'd imagine the same case happens with Venezuela.

The Dominican Republic, which is also a Catholic, Spanish-speaking region is already an US state, so I don't see how much cultural differences would be unacceptable by the Americans. The USA in this RP is less racist than IRL (which is the reason they managed to gain the Canadian maritime Provinces, and why there are so few Loyalists in this American Revolution, because they promised freedom for slaves who joined the Patriot cause), so it's likely the Civil Rights movement would end up less bloody from the IRL counterpart. Simply put, the benefits of American rule outweights the benefits of independence, which made it less likely for them to start an independence movement.

As I said, the oil revenue is made a SWF (I referenced that earlier). I suggest you read my response to have a better perception of how Venezuela's economy works in this RP.

Why would I lose Venezuela? Your movement don't enjoy significant public support, and there is a native Venezuelan armed forces present in the territory, whose job is to stamp out any illegal secessionist movement like this one. I think the worst case Venezuela would have is to endure a long guerilla war just like the Colombian government with FARC.

Because this is an alternate history, and in my lore I referenced the US is less racist than its IRL counterpart when it comes to this. Congress accepted Ulysses S. Grant's deal with Buenaventura Baez which allows the DR to become a state, and that's it.

I'll respond it soon enough.

You can't just say "The USA was less racist" because that wouldn't happen. No alternate scenario would allow that change because the USA benefited to greatly off racisim. Especially the South (unless you still want the Confederacy to be a thing). I'm going to say void to the USA being less racist because that is impossible. Also realize Puerto Rico voted for independence when nobody could remember anything but US rule because they would be 100+ and even then, they would have been s young child under Spanish rule, and wouldn't be able to recall much about Spanish rule. In contrast, basically all Venezuelans either remember pre-US rule or known someone who does. And the offer of independence and a stable democracy is going to be well liked by the populace in general.

The Confederacy and Civil War is still a thing, Jim Crow and Reconstruction is still a thing, and Manifest Destiny is also still a thing. I'm stating the Republicans are more radical in their opposition of racism. Since most of the states are Republican-controlled by the time Grant was President, Congress voted to allow the Dominican Republic to join. Venezuela was incorporated as a US puppet around the same time Puerto Rico was taken, and I don't see how different they would be. You're basically ignoring all the paragraphs I write about the benefits of US rule outweights the benefits of Independence - because under US rule the region saw greater economic prosperity and a stable government, something that would've been unable due to the caudillismo politics, civil conflicts and others during the years of Venezuelan sovereignity.

You can't just void an alternate history lore because you don't like it. That's abusing your power as Co-OP.

[Sarderia]

Either way, the dissent is going to be crushed over 10 to 20 years, so I'll leave it to this point by now. I'll respond to the messages in IC later.

[Greater Liverpool]

You can't just say "The USA was less racist" because that wouldn't happen. No alternate scenario would allow that change because the USA benefited to greatly off racisim. Especially the South (unless you still want the Confederacy to be a thing). I'm going to say void to the USA being less racist because that is impossible. Also realize Puerto Rico voted for independence when nobody could remember anything but US rule because they would be 100+ and even then, they would have been s young child under Spanish rule, and wouldn't be able to recall much about Spanish rule. In contrast, basically all Venezuelans either remember pre-US rule or known someone who does. And the offer of independence and a stable democracy is going to be well liked by the populace in general.

The Confederacy and Civil War is still a thing, Jim Crow and Reconstruction is still a thing, and Manifest Destiny is also still a thing. I'm stating the Republicans are more radical in their opposition of racism. Since most of the states are Republican-controlled by the time Grant was President, Congress voted to allow the Dominican Republic to join. Venezuela was incorporated as a US puppet around the same time Puerto Rico was taken, and I don't see how different they would be. You're basically ignoring all the paragraphs I write about the benefits of US rule outweights the benefits of Independence - because under US rule the region saw greater economic prosperity and a stable government, something that would've been unable due to the caudillismo politics, civil conflicts and others during the years of Venezuelan sovereignity.

You can't just void an alternate history lore because you don't like it. That's abusing your power as Co-OP.

Listen I am not even going to start with how wack your history of America is especially when I have seen you call out other people's history. But you know what I am not going to be in RP anymore I don't want to play with people who pretend their nation is the best and a flawless nation. There is a difference between alternative history and just plain fantasy.

Also as a CO-OP he does have that power to void your history and it is not abusing his powers as CO-OP to do so. Their actions can, in turn, be voided by the OP but that is their decision to make.

[Greater Liverpool]

Either way, the dissent is going to be crushed over 10 to 20 years, so I'll leave it to this point by now. I'll respond to the messages in IC later.

That is not how people view nations. Especially in the 1950's you know at the height of National independence in the world. Last thing you can't just crush dissent in 10, 20 years the Assyrian people have been fighting for their own nation and they haven't had one in over 2000 years.

[Sarderia]

The Confederacy and Civil War is still a thing, Jim Crow and Reconstruction is still a thing, and Manifest Destiny is also still a thing. I'm stating the Republicans are more radical in their opposition of racism. Since most of the states are Republican-controlled by the time Grant was President, Congress voted to allow the Dominican Republic to join. Venezuela was incorporated as a US puppet around the same time Puerto Rico was taken, and I don't see how different they would be. You're basically ignoring all the paragraphs I write about the benefits of US rule outweights the benefits of Independence - because under US rule the region saw greater economic prosperity and a stable government, something that would've been unable due to the caudillismo politics, civil conflicts and others during the years of Venezuelan sovereignity.

You can't just void an alternate history lore because you don't like it. That's abusing your power as Co-OP.

Listen I am not even going to start with how wack your history of America is especially when I have seen you call out other people's history. But you know what I am not going to be in RP anymore I don't want to play with people who pretend their nation is the best and a flawless nation. There is a difference between alternative history and just plain fantasy.

Also as a CO-OP he does have that power to void your history and it is not abusing his powers as CO-OP to do so. Their actions can, in turn, be voided by the OP but that is their decision to make.

The changes are plausible because it's literally happened in real life. If you want to play as a Latin American nation, take a Marxist Colombia and fund movements to crack up Venezuela from the inside, at least that's more plausible than attempting to reach NATO nations to support an independence movement in the United States (that doesn't even have a large public backing) and pretend Venezuela would be independent by 1960.

Either way, the dissent is going to be crushed over 10 to 20 years, so I'll leave it to this point by now. I'll respond to the messages in IC later.

That is not how people view nations. Especially in the 1950's you know at the height of National independence in the world. Last thing you can't just crush dissent in 10, 20 years the Assyrian people have been fighting for their own nation and they haven't had one in over 2000 years.

Well, I concur. Your rebel group can last into 2020 if you want, but it's unlikely they would reach Venezuelan independence soon.

[Monsone]

The Confederacy and Civil War is still a thing, Jim Crow and Reconstruction is still a thing, and Manifest Destiny is also still a thing. I'm stating the Republicans are more radical in their opposition of racism. Since most of the states are Republican-controlled by the time Grant was President, Congress voted to allow the Dominican Republic to join. Venezuela was incorporated as a US puppet around the same time Puerto Rico was taken, and I don't see how different they would be.

You can't just void an alternate history lore because you don't like it. That's abusing your power as Co-OP.

Grant was a strong supporter of ending racisim. I'll give you that. But Truman was a Democrat, and the only thing he did to curb racisim was desegregate the armed forces. And that shouldn't be surprising since his parents where Confederate Sympathizers. Later on, Truman would become more desegregationist, but not to the extent of what you would need to allow Venezuela and Puerto Rico in. In 1950, lynch mobs where common in some parts of the USA, seating in public transit was segregated, at so much more. Even if you managed to end segregation, lynch mobs, hate crimes, racial slurs and other forms of racism would live on. You can't just say the USA was lest racist because it is impossible for it to occur.

Cotton was one of the USA's major exports. Who grew it, picked it, and processed it until 1865? Enslaved African-Americans. Who did the menial labor of the USA for the longest time? Black people. And who where one of the most oppressed people in the USA ? Black people. You can't erase one of the most defining parts of US history like it was nothing. Since most IRL history is followed, Jim Crow still is in place, and considering that, you can't say the USA was less racist because Jim Crow kept racisim alive and well along with segregation well into the 20th century. If Reconstruction never ended, maybe the USA could claim to be less racist. But no. Since Jim Crow is still around in this RP, it voids your claim of less racisim.

I may not like your lore changes, but I am using that very lore to disprove an assertion you made. And then you claim it is an abuse of power. It is not an abuse of power to point put facts that do exist in your history and yet you omit purposely because they would prove the point you are arguing against. There is nothing. I repeat nothing in your lore that would make the USA any less racist. Prove me wrong using your existing lore if you wish.

[Greater Liverpool]

Listen I am not even going to start with how wack your history of America is especially when I have seen you call out other people's history. But you know what I am not going to be in RP anymore I don't want to play with people who pretend their nation is the best and a flawless nation. There is a difference between alternative history and just plain fantasy.

Also as a CO-OP he does have that power to void your history and it is not abusing his powers as CO-OP to do so. Their actions can, in turn, be voided by the OP but that is their decision to make.

The changes are plausible because it's literally happened in real life. If you want to play as a Latin American nation, take a Marxist Colombia and fund movements to crack up Venezuela from the inside, at least that's more plausible than attempting to reach NATO nations to support an independence movement in the United States (that doesn't even have a large public backing) and pretend Venezuela would be independent by 1960.

Venezuela and the small island of Puerto Rico are two very different baskets and it was your NATO allies that said they would maybe supply me in the OOC so it is plausible in that regard. And I wanted to play a Rebel group but since your nation is apparently so perfect that the people can completely forget their national identity an identity that was literally found on fighting against imperialism would so soon forget that. Your nation is so different from what it is supposed to be. You say your country is less racist and your own reasoning is that the Republicans were a bit more anti-racist and as such race relations in America are better. What about the lost cause or racism against Irish, Italians or the Chinese that came about in the 1910's. You also say that America somehow nationalized one of the biggest oil reserves in the world and the American companies just accepted it that alone would put you in a huge amount of debt. Your country makes so sense as too how it can be so perfect.

[Greater Liverpool]

Not to mention the social and economic impact of letting millions of poor people into America during a time of extreme xenophobia in the USA.

[Monsone]

The changes are plausible because it's literally happened in real life. If you want to play as a Latin American nation, take a Marxist Colombia and fund movements to crack up Venezuela from the inside, at least that's more plausible than attempting to reach NATO nations to support an independence movement in the United States (that doesn't even have a large public backing) and pretend Venezuela would be independent by 1960.

Venezuela and the small island of Puerto Rico are two very different baskets and it was your NATO allies that said they would maybe supply me in the OOC so it is plausible in that regard. And I wanted to play a Rebel group but since your nation is apparently so perfect that the people can completely forget their national identity an identity that was literally found on fighting against imperialism would so soon forget that. Your nation is so different from what it is supposed to be. You say your country is less racist and your own reasoning is that the Republicans were a bit more anti-racist and as such race relations in America are better. What about the lost cause or racism against Irish, Italians or the Chinese that came about in the 1910's. You also say that America somehow nationalized one of the biggest oil reserves in the world and the American companies just accepted it that alone would put you in a huge amount of debt. Your country makes so sense as too how it can be so perfect.

Not just that. See what Truman wrote in 1937 about lunch at the White House. FYI, it is censored.

“They gave a real good meal at the taxpayers[’] expense — tomato soup, fillet of flounder, roast turkey, string beans, pineapple salad, chocolate ice cream and cake, candy and little cafe noir afterwards,” Truman wrote. “All these things were in courses, deftly placed and removed by an army of c**ns^. I suggested to Mrs. [Sherman] Minton  that these negroes were evidently the top of the black social set in Washington.”

^Derogatory term for Black People.

If the USA was not so racist, I doubt these comments would have been written by a future US president.

[Greater Liverpool]

I am withdrawing myself as the Gran Colombian Revolutionary Front

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

The only thing I would say about Sarderia's claims is the question: "Why isn't Puerto Rico a US state in the current time?".

[Wasi State]

The only thing I would say about Sarderia's claims is the question: "Why isn't Puerto Rico a US state in the current time?".

50+ States! 50+ States! Honesty that'll be pretty lit for the US and give more cores.

[Wasi State]

But in the prospects of an impending South American War, me sending a South African Marine Battlion to assist the US would mostly serve to season my troops a bit in combat and asymmetric warfare for an inevitable Moravia war/civil war.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

But in the prospects of an impending South American War, me sending a South African Marine Battlion to assist the US would mostly serve to season my troops a bit in combat and asymmetric warfare for an inevitable Moravia war/civil war.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Btw, is it just me or did Hypercapital just seriously God Mod. Like in one post he just passes some unnamed economic policies despite the fact that the war devastated Korea, and it was super poor IRL on both sides of the DMZ until the 1990s. But then he somehow becomes not only richer than India, but rich enough to start investing in India. I mean, I guess everyone is free to spend their money as they like, but this seems like the equivalent of South Sudan giving monetary aid to Germany.

[HypErcApitAl]

Btw, is it just me or did Hypercapital just seriously God Mod. Like in one post he just passes some unnamed economic policies despite the fact that the war devastated Korea, and it was super poor IRL on both sides of the DMZ until the 1990s. But then he somehow becomes not only richer than India, but rich enough to start investing in India. I mean, I guess everyone is free to spend their money as they like, but this seems like the equivalent of South Sudan giving monetary aid to Germany.

I'm not godmodding. I said, after I was done upbuilding myself, I'd put monies into India.

Also, The US did do the Marshall Plan and other plans to economically fix/restore nations, so I wouldn't be dirt-poor.

[HypErcApitAl]

DPRK was richer than the South until the 70s/80s (I think), then the South grew and became richer than the North.

North Korea had all the famines and whatnot later on, though rn it'd be South Korea (since, like I said, it flipped)

but also, the Japanese did put some building into Korea. I hold Korea and Manchuria. I didn't want to be a discounted South Korea, I wanted to be original. But, yeah...

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Btw, is it just me or did Hypercapital just seriously God Mod. Like in one post he just passes some unnamed economic policies despite the fact that the war devastated Korea, and it was super poor IRL on both sides of the DMZ until the 1990s. But then he somehow becomes not only richer than India, but rich enough to start investing in India. I mean, I guess everyone is free to spend their money as they like, but this seems like the equivalent of South Sudan giving monetary aid to Germany.

I'm not godmodding. I said, after I was done upbuilding myself, I'd put monies into India.

Also, The US did do the Marshall Plan and other plans to economically fix/restore nations, so I wouldn't be dirt-poor.

The Marshall Plan was only implemented in europe, and even then the European economy rebooted cause it was already industrialized which you aren't. That said, my mistake I thought you said you were currently planning on doing it, but I guess you were saying it in a future tense.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

DPRK was richer than the South until the 70s/80s (I think), then the South grew and became richer than the North.

North Korea had all the famines and whatnot later on, though rn it'd be South Korea (since, like I said, it flipped)

but also, the Japanese did put some building into Korea. I hold Korea and Manchuria. I didn't want to be a discounted South Korea, I wanted to be original. But, yeah...

Um yah correct, but the North Korean boom started in 1954 with large material aid from the USSR and the PRC, and a mass reconstruction of the region. I mean yah Japan did build some, but up until 1980 Botswana was more developed than South Korea, so thats not saying much.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Time to do as all good communists do and make a five year plan, wish me luck

[Wasi State]

But in the prospects of an impending South American War, me sending a South African Marine Battlion to assist the US would mostly serve to season my troops a bit in combat and asymmetric warfare for an inevitable Moravia war/civil war.

Bush wars are the gift that keeps on giving .

[Mathuvan Union]

I am withdrawing myself as the Gran Colombian Revolutionary Front

what?
why?