Cold War RP III (Closed.)

[Sarderia]

I don't even know if the Vanguards (Daikorea) would've fought in the world wars, maybe, considering Rossiya being a threat and all, but it kinda makes no sense as to why I'd intervene in Europe.

(though China fought in WWII and Japan fought in WWI, but Nazism/Fascism wouldn't even cross the Daikorean mind considering they're far away.)

I could put-in the work in the future, when this RP gets started down the line (but South Korea utilized textile products and footwear, at the time, which makes sense but they were poor af) though I could mimic that though also be richer because of Birthrate and European/Euramerican investments.

At least we wouldn't have to face a Korean War...

[Monsone]

I don't even know if the Vanguards (Daikorea) would've fought in the world wars, maybe, considering Rossiya being a threat and all, but it kinda makes no sense as to why I'd intervene in Europe.

(though China fought in WWII and Japan fought in WWI, but Nazism/Fascism wouldn't even cross the Daikorean mind considering they're far away.)

I could put-in the work in the future, when this RP gets started down the line (but South Korea utilized textile products and footwear, at the time, which makes sense but they were poor af) though I could mimic that though also be richer because of Birthrate and European/Euramerican investments.

Oh boy! A rule violation!

No major history changes after 1900. Unless your country was colonised after 1900

As cool as you nation sounds, not getting annexed by Japan in 1910 violates the above rule. Also, Japan industrialized part of Korea IRL. So without Japanese colonization, you're going to be even poorer.

[HypErcApitAl]

I do understand though, because one: realism and two: Southkorea is essentially a Technocracy irl.

Korea/China has alot of resources (besides Metals) I could use, though I don't want to be agrarian.

Usually having a high birthrate helps you, as you'd be rich or get rich overtime (though it also depends on Geography and Geopolitics, the reason I was able to do that w/ other countries and notably Quebec was b/c everyone around me was weak or they invested in me)

[HypErcApitAl]

I don't even know if the Vanguards (Daikorea) would've fought in the world wars, maybe, considering Rossiya being a threat and all, but it kinda makes no sense as to why I'd intervene in Europe.

(though China fought in WWII and Japan fought in WWI, but Nazism/Fascism wouldn't even cross the Daikorean mind considering they're far away.)

I could put-in the work in the future, when this RP gets started down the line (but South Korea utilized textile products and footwear, at the time, which makes sense but they were poor af) though I could mimic that though also be richer because of Birthrate and European/Euramerican investments.

Oh boy! A rule violation!

No major history changes after 1900. Unless your country was colonised after 1900

As cool as you nation sounds, not getting annexed by Japan in 1910 violates the above rule. Also, Japan industrialized part of Korea IRL. So without Japanese colonization, you're going to be even poorer.

Oof.

[Sarderia]

I'm looking for someone to be Eisenhower, tag if interested. Though there's a 50/50 chance I probably wouldn't open the US political system for other players, given that the US is most likely being expansonist in this era.

[HypErcApitAl]

I could say I was under the Japanese boot, though (or satellited, like the Korean Empire) as it'd also help me out IC-ly (I'd harbor a grudge for the Japanese, much like irl Korea)

[Monsone]

No, they have not. Actually, the UK and Germany advanced faster than France did. Whereas the French GDP growth only stagnates on the 5% average (and will continue to do so during all the Trente Glorieuses) the German GDP growth was 9-10%. And remember, this is only 5 years after the war, even the Marshall Plan haven't ended yet. The boom period in French history, the Trente Glorieuses, happened between 1945 (some says 1947) to 1970, that's three decades.

I would say the French economy did not approach its pre 1939 levels yet (actually saying 1939 was quite high given most of Europe was on arms race and boosted industrial production), but rather close to it.

Yes, but that is for IRL France. Not this RP's France. Plus take into account that the French economy never really boomed in the 1920s, and was hard hit in the 1930s by the Great Depression. Because of WW1, the French economy was severely delayed in it's economic growth. So reaching 1939 levels isn't that hard (and France by 1950 did so IRL).

Read this: https://voxeu.org/article/recovery-and-reconstruction-europe-after-wwii

And yes France didn't grow as quickly as Germany, but the UK spent the last 15 years of the Cold War in a pretty bad economic state compared to the rest of Europe. And do note France actually would surpass the UK economically during the Trente Glorieuses for a period of time.

[Bolslania]

Country Name: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Fictional or Real:Real
Head of State: Joseph Stalin
Government Type: Authoritarianism
Capital: Moscow
GDP: .7 trillion
Population: 182,315,000
Location: IRL borders
History:Irl history
Faction: Warsaw Pact

[HypErcApitAl]

Country Name: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Fictional or Real:Real
Head of State: Joseph Stalin
Government Type: Authoritarianism
Capital: Moscow
GDP: .7 trillion
Population: 182,315,000
Location: IRL borders
History:Irl history
Faction: Warsaw Pact

There's already a USSR, my man.

[Sarderia]

No, they have not. Actually, the UK and Germany advanced faster than France did. Whereas the French GDP growth only stagnates on the 5% average (and will continue to do so during all the Trente Glorieuses) the German GDP growth was 9-10%. And remember, this is only 5 years after the war, even the Marshall Plan haven't ended yet. The boom period in French history, the Trente Glorieuses, happened between 1945 (some says 1947) to 1970, that's three decades.

I would say the French economy did not approach its pre 1939 levels yet (actually saying 1939 was quite high given most of Europe was on arms race and boosted industrial production), but rather close to it.

Yes, but that is for IRL France. Not this RP's France. Plus take into account that the French economy never really boomed in the 1920s, and was hard hit in the 1930s by the Great Depression. Because of WW1, the French economy was severely delayed in it's economic growth. So reaching 1939 levels isn't that hard (and France by 1950 did so IRL).

Read this: https://voxeu.org/article/recovery-and-reconstruction-europe-after-wwii

And yes France didn't grow as quickly as Germany, but the UK spent the last 15 years of the Cold War in a pretty bad economic state compared to the rest of Europe. And do note France actually would surpass the UK economically during the Trente Glorieuses for a period of time.

The UK is riddled by war debts and releasing it's colonies, so that might explain. Eventually France would have done so and received the similar impact, because the US in this RP is similar to real life in the sense they forced European countries to release its colonial possessions.

How would this RP's France been different than the IRL France? I don't see how considered De Gaulle and Paul-Marie Pons were both handling the French economy, and things couldn't have been different. The only thing that could make a difference is if the US gave Europe more Marshall Plan money, then the European industries could kickstart perhaps 5-10 years earlier.

[Monsone]

Yes, but that is for IRL France. Not this RP's France. Plus take into account that the French economy never really boomed in the 1920s, and was hard hit in the 1930s by the Great Depression. Because of WW1, the French economy was severely delayed in it's economic growth. So reaching 1939 levels isn't that hard (and France by 1950 did so IRL).

Read this: https://voxeu.org/article/recovery-and-reconstruction-europe-after-wwii

And yes France didn't grow as quickly as Germany, but the UK spent the last 15 years of the Cold War in a pretty bad economic state compared to the rest of Europe. And do note France actually would surpass the UK economically during the Trente Glorieuses for a period of time.

The UK is riddled by war debts and releasing it's colonies, so that might explain. Eventually France would have done so and received the similar impact, because the US in this RP is similar to real life in the sense they forced European countries to release its colonial possessions.

How would this RP's France been different than the IRL France? I don't see how considered De Gaulle and Paul-Marie Pons were both handling the French economy, and things couldn't have been different. The only thing that could make a difference is if the US gave Europe more Marshall Plan money, then the European industries could kickstart perhaps 5-10 years earlier.

The USA wrote off all French WW1 debts in 1946, and a similar arangement was done with the UK. I even said in my application most French colonies left in 1945-1946. I don't know why you are arguing with the facts. Because IRL French history is accurate until 1945-1946, all post war recovery plans as well as some US loans have bern given to France. So by 1950, France had reached it's 1939 levels economically, and only economically.

[HypErcApitAl]

The UK is riddled by war debts and releasing it's colonies, so that might explain. Eventually France would have done so and received the similar impact, because the US in this RP is similar to real life in the sense they forced European countries to release its colonial possessions.

How would this RP's France been different than the IRL France? I don't see how considered De Gaulle and Paul-Marie Pons were both handling the French economy, and things couldn't have been different. The only thing that could make a difference is if the US gave Europe more Marshall Plan money, then the European industries could kickstart perhaps 5-10 years earlier.

The USA wrote off all French WW1 debts in 1946, and a similar arangement was done with the UK. I even said in my application most French colonies left in 1945-1946. I don't know why you are arguing with the facts. Because IRL French history is accurate until 1945-1946, all post war recovery plans as well as some US loans have bern given to France. So by 1950, France had reached it's 1939 levels economically, and only economically.

Am I accepted, or do I have to switch-up Daikorea again?

[Monsone]

The USA wrote off all French WW1 debts in 1946, and a similar arangement was done with the UK. I even said in my application most French colonies left in 1945-1946. I don't know why you are arguing with the facts. Because IRL French history is accurate until 1945-1946, all post war recovery plans as well as some US loans have bern given to France. So by 1950, France had reached it's 1939 levels economically, and only economically.

Am I accepted, or do I have to switch-up Daikorea again?

Include that Japan occupied/controlled you brutally between 1910 and 1945. Then yes, you are good.

[HypErcApitAl]

Am I accepted, or do I have to switch-up Daikorea again?

Include that Japan occupied/controlled you brutally between 1910 and 1945. Then yes, you are good.

kay-kay

[HypErcApitAl]

Country Name: Vanguard Republic
Fictional or Real: Fictional
Head of State: President Yumi Sung

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Government Type: Authoritarian Democracy
Capital: Pyongyang
GDP: 17.24 in 2020 currency
Population: 67,897,552
Location: Korea (both North and South), Manchuria (Manchukuo)
History: Pyongyang, the ancestral capitol of the Vanguards, and remaining the capitol of the Vanguard Republic. The Vanguard Republic, in its past, used to be the "Vanguard Kingdom," until reformatting into a Democracy, though entrusting its Presidents w/ the old powers of the Princess (technically they were a Principality, but still) in which every president all the way to Yumi has championed the people and protected them, though ofcourse giving them many freedoms.

The Vanguards have stood the test of Time, though now the Soviets threaten them and their way-of-life, so they immediately joined NATO, seeing it as a shield (though not particularly keen on the Americans)

There is a vice-president, (Alyssa Chi-Song)

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though she functions as a figurehead but also the "Conduit of the People."

The Vanguards are also referred to as "Daikorea," and they also use this:

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as their flag.

Vanguard was occupied by the Japanese as a vassal, and now harbor hate and resentment for the japanese (which are surprisingly a US ally)

National Animal/Symbol: Vanguard Pheonix
Faction: NATO, also leans more to France and Europe

bump for Posterity

[Sarderia]

The UK is riddled by war debts and releasing it's colonies, so that might explain. Eventually France would have done so and received the similar impact, because the US in this RP is similar to real life in the sense they forced European countries to release its colonial possessions.

How would this RP's France been different than the IRL France? I don't see how considered De Gaulle and Paul-Marie Pons were both handling the French economy, and things couldn't have been different. The only thing that could make a difference is if the US gave Europe more Marshall Plan money, then the European industries could kickstart perhaps 5-10 years earlier.

The USA wrote off all French WW1 debts in 1946, and a similar arangement was done with the UK. I even said in my application most French colonies left in 1945-1946. I don't know why you are arguing with the facts. Because IRL French history is accurate until 1945-1946, all post war recovery plans as well as some US loans have bern given to France. So by 1950, France had reached it's 1939 levels economically, and only economically.

I don't think the US absolved French debt. Rather, the French paid the WWI debt using the Dawes Plan scheme. The WWII debt was also still intact, making France dependent on the US.

Also @OP how was my app?

[Monsone]

Country Name: Vanguard Republic
Fictional or Real: Fictional
Head of State: President Yumi Sung

(Image)

Government Type: Authoritarian Democracy
Capital: Pyongyang
GDP: 17.24 in 2020 currency
Population: 67,897,552
Location: Korea (both North and South), Manchuria (Manchukuo)
History: Pyongyang, the ancestral capitol of the Vanguards, and remaining the capitol of the Vanguard Republic. The Vanguard Republic, in its past, used to be the "Vanguard Kingdom," until reformatting into a Democracy, though entrusting its Presidents w/ the old powers of the Princess (technically they were a Principality, but still) in which every president all the way to Yumi has championed the people and protected them, though ofcourse giving them many freedoms.

The Vanguards have stood the test of Time, though now the Soviets threaten them and their way-of-life, so they immediately joined NATO, seeing it as a shield (though not particularly keen on the Americans)

There is a vice-president, (Alyssa Chi-Song)

(Image)

though she functions as a figurehead but also the "Conduit of the People."

The Vanguards are also referred to as "Daikorea," and they also use this:

(Image)

as their flag.

Vanguard was occupied by the Japanese as a vassal, and now harbor hate and resentment for the japanese (which are surprisingly a US ally)

National Animal/Symbol: Vanguard Pheonix
Faction: NATO, also leans more to France and Europe

bump for Posterity

Accepted.

[Monsone]

The USA wrote off all French WW1 debts in 1946, and a similar arangement was done with the UK. I even said in my application most French colonies left in 1945-1946. I don't know why you are arguing with the facts. Because IRL French history is accurate until 1945-1946, all post war recovery plans as well as some US loans have bern given to France. So by 1950, France had reached it's 1939 levels economically, and only economically.

I don't think the US absolved French debt. Rather, the French paid the WWI debt using the Dawes Plan scheme. The WWII debt was also still intact, making France dependent on the US.

Also @OP how was my app?

I never said France wasn't dependent on the USA. What I was saying was that France didn’t become a poor country after WW2 and let that poverty draw them down. Most of Europe save for the UK is going to experience "rejuvenation by defeat" in economic terms pretty soon.

[Minskiev]

Country Name: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Fictional or Real:Real
Head of State: Joseph Stalin
Government Type: Authoritarianism
Capital: Moscow
GDP: .7 trillion
Population: 182,315,000
Location: IRL borders
History:Irl history
Faction: Warsaw Pact

I’m already the USSR, but a co-op would be fun, comrade.

Sarderia, you said France paid off it’s debt with the Dawes Plan? Wasn’t that either something to do with cultural assimilation of Native Americans into the US or some deal with Cuba after the Spanish-American War? Is there a different Dawes Plan?

[Monsone]

Country Name: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Fictional or Real:Real
Head of State: Joseph Stalin
Government Type: Authoritarianism
Capital: Moscow
GDP: .7 trillion
Population: 182,315,000
Location: IRL borders
History:Irl history
Faction: Warsaw Pact

I’m already the USSR, but a co-op would be fun, comrade.

Sarderia, you said France paid off it’s debt with the Dawes Plan? Wasn’t that either something to do with cultural assimilation of Native Americans into the US or some deal with Cuba after the Spanish-American War? Is there a different Dawes Plan?

Sarderia meant the Blum-Byrnes Agreement.

[Minskiev]

I don’t know about you, but mistaking Dawes for Blum-Byrnes isn’t really a mistake that’s really plausible to make...

Unless they’re by the same name and B-B is just a specifier or something. I don’t know.

[Monsone]

I don’t know about you, but mistaking Dawes for Blum-Byrnes isn’t really a mistake that’s really plausible to make...

Unless they’re by the same name and B-B is just a specifier or something. I don’t know.

I know. It is a bit of a strange mix-up.

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

So, we're mostly resetting the RP if I'm not mistaken correct? If we are, then I'm gonna reapp my previous nation.

Sarderia, unless you have any objections, my previous nation had a hold of some of those Caribbean islands.

[Sarderia]

I don’t know about you, but mistaking Dawes for Blum-Byrnes isn’t really a mistake that’s really plausible to make...

Unless they’re by the same name and B-B is just a specifier or something. I don’t know.

The Dawes Plan is different from the Dawes Act.

Also, can someone review my App?

[Sarderia]

So, we're mostly resetting the RP if I'm not mistaken correct? If we are, then I'm gonna reapp my previous nation.

Sarderia, unless you have any objections, my previous nation had a hold of some of those Caribbean islands.

You could take Sint Maarten or other Dutch Islands, or the French possessions if Monsone allowed. The Caribbean is already an US state.

On another note, Vaas, you can have St Lucia.