Cold War RP III (Closed.)

[HypErcApitAl]

Country Name: Vanguard Republic
Fictional or Real: Fictional
Head of State: President Yumi Sung

Government Type: Authoritarian Democracy
Capital: Pyongyang
GDP: 17.24 in 2020 currency
Population: 67,897,552
Location: Korea (both North and South), Manchuria (Manchukuo)
History: Pyongyang, the ancestral capitol of the Vanguards, and remaining the capitol of the Vanguard Republic. The Vanguard Republic, in its past, used to be the "Vanguard Kingdom," until reformatting into a Democracy, though entrusting its Presidents w/ the old powers of the Princess (technically they were a Principality, but still) in which every president all the way to Yumi has championed the people and protected them, though ofcourse giving them many freedoms.

The Vanguards have stood the test of Time, though now the Soviets threaten them and their way-of-life, so they immediately joined NATO, seeing it as a shield (though not particularly keen on the Americans)

There is a vice-president, (Alyssa Chi-Song)

though she functions as a figurehead but also the "Conduit of the People."

The Vanguards are also referred to as "Daikorea," and they also use this:

as their flag.

Vanguard was occupied by the Japanese as a vassal, and now harbor hate and resentment for the japanese (which are surprisingly a US ally)

National Animal/Symbol: Vanguard Pheonix
Faction: NATO, also leans more to France and Europe

[Sarderia]

Country Name: United States of America

Fictional or Real: Semi-Real (Alt-History)

Head of State: President Harry S. Truman (D)

Government Type: Federal Constitutional Representative Democracy

Capital: Washington, District of Columbia

GDP: US$ 304 Billion (2020 dollars)

Population: 152,3 million

Location: U.S. proper (incl. all US territories, Puerto Rico, Alaska and Hawaii), Canadian Maritime Provinces (NS, NB, and PEI), Dominican Republic, British Caribbean Islands (St. Kitts and Nevis, Barbados, etc.), Gran Colombia (Panama, Colombia and Venezuela)

History: Points of Divergence:

• There are much more Patriots than Loyalists in the American Revolution, that means less refugees fleeing into Canada.
• The US won the War of 1812 courtesy ot strong public opinion and preparedness. There are revolts in Canada that supported the US troops. In the peace agreement, the remaining British Atlantic colonies (Canadian Maritime Provinces) and the sugar-producing Caribbean islands are transferred to the US.
• Congress ratified Dominican Republic President Buenaventura Baez's proposal to admit the DR into the United States, sent to President Ulysses S. Grant.
• Under the threat of US invasion, and also internal political instability, Colombia agreed to sell the entirety of the Panama isthmus to President Theodore Roosevelt's government.
• After funding the coups in Nicaragua, the US turned to Colombia again. General António Rafael de la Vega successfully overthrow the Colombian government in a 1913 coup. Sponsored by the US, de la Vega's government launched a surprise attack to Venezuela, in addition to funding another coup there. Gran Colombia is granted status as an U.S. protectorate.

Faction: North Atlantic Treaty Organization

[Minskiev]

Country Name: The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Fictional or Real: Real
Head of State: Joseph Stalin
Government Type: Single-party socialist republic
Capital: Moscow
GDP: 1.04 trillion (in 2020 currency)
Population: 182 million
Location:

History: same as irl, except for the following

-The Soviets went behind their back and invaded them during the Lapland War, and to keep the Finns less rebellious, they were given lots of autonomy and it’s democratic socialism instead. However, Finns continually protest to make it less leftist. This is also why they own part of Lapland.

-Stalin simply annexed Sinkiang, Mongolia, Inner Mongolia, and parts of Manchuria, since it was basically free land. However, in return, the Communist Chinese were funded by Stalin.

-Stalin wanted more control over the Comintern, and so annexed parts of Slovakia and Poland. He claimed it was “to improve the supply lines to the DDR”, however it’s almost a fact that was BS.

Faction: Comintern

[Sarderia]

Country Name: The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Fictional or Real: Real
Head of State: Joseph Stalin
Government Type: Single-party socialist republic
Capital: Moscow
GDP: 1.04 trillion
Population: 182 million
Location:

(Image)

History: same as irl
Faction: Comintern

Actually, with the Vanguard creation, my Manchuria land can be moved a bit up.

Sorry, 1.648 trillion GDP? That’s more than mine...might want to scale that a tad down.

Where did you get the GDP info from?

[Sarderia]

Also, remove Hokkaido, Finland, North Korea and that part of Norway and Sweden. from your claim. It's impossible the US would let Japan to be split.

[Minskiev]

Yeah, true. That’s it though. Kurils and Sakhalin are mine.

I got it from inflation calculators.

Okay, let me get this straight. Korea’s GDP is bigger than mine, and you have Colombia, but I can’t have Finland? I already conquered it, plus they were an Axis member. Honestly, I’m not sure why the USSR didn’t keep them.

[Monsone]

Country Name: The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Fictional or Real: Real
Head of State: Joseph Stalin
Government Type: Single-party socialist republic
Capital: Moscow
GDP: 1.04 trillion
Population: 182 million
Location:

(Image)

History: same as irl
Faction: Comintern

Actually, with the Vanguard creation, my Manchuria land can be moved a bit up.

Sorry, 1.648 trillion GDP? That’s more than mine...might want to scale that a tad down.

Where did you get the GDP info from?

That is correct. The Soviet GDP in 1950 in 2020 USD is 1.04 billion. So it's not wrong. But I would add that that is it's 2020 value and not it's 1950 value.

[Monsone]

Also, remove Hokkaido, Finland, North Korea and that part of Norway and Sweden. from your claim. It's impossible the US would let Japan to be split.

Yet it almost did happen. I wouldn't act like some of these things wouldn't occur, because often they almost did.

[HypErcApitAl]

I used South Korea's GDP. I honestly imagine I could've went higher, since I presently hold the entirety of Korean(ic) lands (maybe not Yanbian, though) but I understand atleast keeping the money part real (for stuff like military and etc)

[Sarderia]

Yeah, true. That’s it though. Kurils and Sakhalin are mine.

I got it from inflation calculators.

Based on what data? You have a GDP of 1.04 trillion, that's 3 and a half times bigger than the US. That's just not possible.

Also, I recommend you stick into the Soviet Union's IRL borders. There is little to no historical precedent on why Russia, let alone USSR managed to conquer Finland and all the excess land on Scandinavia.

Also, remove Hokkaido, Finland, North Korea and that part of Norway and Sweden. from your claim. It's impossible the US would let Japan to be split.

Yet it almost did happen. I wouldn't act like some of these things wouldn't occur, because often they almost did.

In this timeline, MacArthur did the same thing and placed US troops all ovet Japan to halt Soviet incursion further than the Sakhalin.

[Minskiev]

I used South Korea's GDP. I honestly imagine I could've went higher, since I presently hold the entirety of Korean(ic) lands (maybe not Yanbian, though) but I understand atleast keeping the money part real (for stuff like military and etc)

You used their GDP in 2020. This is 1950. Do you see the slight issue?

Sarderia, that’s in 2020 currency. In 1950 currency, my GDP is 94 billion. Seriously, I expected more accuracy and less double standards from you.

SARDERIA, YOU OWN BRITISH LAND AND COLOMBIA. STOP TELLING ME WHAT LAND I SHOULD AND SHOULDN’T HAVE.

[Monsone]

I used South Korea's GDP. I honestly imagine I could've went higher, since I presently hold the entirety of Korean(ic) lands (maybe not Yanbian, though) but I understand atleast keeping the money part real (for stuff like military and etc)

You used their GDP in 2020. This is 1950. Do you see the slight issue?

Sarderia, that’s in 2020 currency. In 1950 currency, my GDP is 94 billion. Seriously, I expected more accuracy and less double standards from you.

SARDERIA, YOU OWN BRITISH LAND AND COLOMBIA. STOP TELLING ME WHAT LAND I SHOULD AND SHOULDN’T HAVE.

It's true. Even with all the manifest destiny in the world the USA wouldn't be able to own British land without repercussions.

[HypErcApitAl]

I used South Korea's GDP. I honestly imagine I could've went higher, since I presently hold the entirety of Korean(ic) lands (maybe not Yanbian, though) but I understand atleast keeping the money part real (for stuff like military and etc)

You used their GDP in 2020. This is 1950. Do you see the slight issue?

Sarderia, that’s in 2020 currency. In 1950 currency, my GDP is 94 billion. Seriously, I expected more accuracy and less double standards from you.

SARDERIA, YOU OWN BRITISH LAND AND COLOMBIA. STOP TELLING ME WHAT LAND I SHOULD AND SHOULDN’T HAVE.

Yeah, I do. It's hard to find GDP for Korea, considering they were a part of the Japanese Empire though.

(maybe if I use South Korea's old GDP, it'd be more realistic, considering Inflation and all)

[Fennoscandia Union]

I'm new, but would you elaborate on your history on how you got these extra territories. Talking to Minskiev

[Sarderia]

Folks, we can't use the IRL GDP of our nations and slap it into inflasion calculators, because:

- It'a a post WW2 world. Except from USA, USSR and the Third World countries all nations would have been severely impacted by the war. Their economy was on the verge of collapsing, and only then they started to bulid it back.
- Most of the exports we have, for example the US with it's technology exports (Google, Apple, Amazon, etc), Korea's cars and electronics (Hyundai, samsung etc), Russia (diamonds and Siberian oil reserves) hasn't even happened yet. So it doesn't make sense for the GDP to be that high.
- Remember the USSR is a communist nation with a state-planned economy, and this has disastrous consequences (see the Holodomor famine). Compare that to modern Russia, while still a semi-oligarchic republic, has a free market, capitalistic system.

I used South Korea's GDP. I honestly imagine I could've went higher, since I presently hold the entirety of Korean(ic) lands (maybe not Yanbian, though) but I understand atleast keeping the money part real (for stuff like military and etc)

You used their GDP in 2020. This is 1950. Do you see the slight issue?

Sarderia, that’s in 2020 currency. In 1950 currency, my GDP is 94 billion. Seriously, I expected more accuracy and less double standards from you.

SARDERIA, YOU OWN BRITISH LAND AND COLOMBIA. STOP TELLING ME WHAT LAND I SHOULD AND SHOULDN’T HAVE.

If I had used the US GDP in 2020, my GDP should have been 10x times larger, because the current US GDP is more than 20 trillion. Yet, I placed my GDP at 300 or so billion, 2020 dollars.

Also, "irl history" doesn't explain why you have those land. I have explained why the US has so much swathe of British land and even Colombia, because (apart from the Colombia and Venezuela part) there is a historical precedent for that, namely the War of 1812, Annexation of Dominican Republic, and Roosevelt's purchase of Panama

[HypErcApitAl]

Actually, I take that back. South Korea was trash in the 1950s (even the DPRK were richer than them at the time)

[HypErcApitAl]

Folks, we can't use the IRL GDP of our nations and slap it into inflasion calculators, because:

- It'a a post WW2 world. Except from USA, USSR and the Third World countries all nations would have been severely impacted by the war. Their economy was on the verge of collapsing, and only then they started to bulid it back.
- Most of the exports we have, for example the US with it's technology exports (Google, Apple, Amazon, etc), Korea's cars and electronics (Hyundai, samsung etc), Russia (diamonds and Siberian oil reserves) hasn't even happened yet. So it doesn't make sense for the GDP to be that high.
- Remember the USSR is a communist nation with a state-planned economy, and this has disastrous consequences (see the Holodomor famine). Compare that to modern Russia, while still a semi-oligarchic republic, has a free market, capitalistic system.

You used their GDP in 2020. This is 1950. Do you see the slight issue?

Sarderia, that’s in 2020 currency. In 1950 currency, my GDP is 94 billion. Seriously, I expected more accuracy and less double standards from you.

SARDERIA, YOU OWN BRITISH LAND AND COLOMBIA. STOP TELLING ME WHAT LAND I SHOULD AND SHOULDN’T HAVE.

If I had used the US GDP in 2020, my GDP should have been 10x times larger, because the current US GDP is more than 20 trillion. Yet, I placed my GDP at 300 or so billion, 2020 dollars.

Also, "irl history" doesn't explain why you have those land. I have explained why the US has so much swathe of British land and even Colombia, because (apart from the Colombia and Venezuela part) there is a historical precedent for that, namely the War of 1812, Annexation of Dominican Republic, and Roosevelt's purchase of Panama

Dude, I acknowledged that already.

[Monsone]

Actually, I take that back. South Korea was trash in the 1950s (even the DPRK were richer than them at the time)

Just combine their GDPs.

[HypErcApitAl]

Actually, I take that back. South Korea was trash in the 1950s (even the DPRK were richer than them at the time)

Just combine their GDPs.

Alright, thanks.

[Sarderia]

You used their GDP in 2020. This is 1950. Do you see the slight issue?

Sarderia, that’s in 2020 currency. In 1950 currency, my GDP is 94 billion. Seriously, I expected more accuracy and less double standards from you.

SARDERIA, YOU OWN BRITISH LAND AND COLOMBIA. STOP TELLING ME WHAT LAND I SHOULD AND SHOULDN’T HAVE.

Yeah, I do. It's hard to find GDP for Korea, considering they were a part of the Japanese Empire though.

(maybe if I use South Korea's old GDP, it'd be more realistic, considering Inflation and all)

This might help

Actually, there is data for every nation in 1950 there I think

[Minskiev]

Sarderia, when finding my GDP, I didn’t use 1991 Soviet GDP. I found the 1950 GDP, and since it was in 1990 dollars for some reason, I converted it to 2020 and 1950. Your 300 billion is accurate for 1950, and that is for 1950 currency. Not for 2020 currency, however.

Using 2020 currency, the American GDP is 3.1 trillion dollars in 1950. Mine is 1.04 trillion.

For irl history not explaining why I have extra land, that is correct. However, it’s already BEEN addressed, and I shall change it currently.

[Monsone]

Folks, we can't use the IRL GDP of our nations and slap it into inflasion calculators, because:

- It'a a post WW2 world. Except from USA, USSR and the Third World countries all nations would have been severely impacted by the war. Their economy was on the verge of collapsing, and only then they started to bulid it back.
- Most of the exports we have, for example the US with it's technology exports (Google, Apple, Amazon, etc), Korea's cars and electronics (Hyundai, samsung etc), Russia (diamonds and Siberian oil reserves) hasn't even happened yet. So it doesn't make sense for the GDP to be that high.
- Remember the USSR is a communist nation with a state-planned economy, and this has disastrous consequences (see the Holodomor famine). Compare that to modern Russia, while still a semi-oligarchic republic, has a free market, capitalistic system.

You used their GDP in 2020. This is 1950. Do you see the slight issue?

Sarderia, that’s in 2020 currency. In 1950 currency, my GDP is 94 billion. Seriously, I expected more accuracy and less double standards from you.

SARDERIA, YOU OWN BRITISH LAND AND COLOMBIA. STOP TELLING ME WHAT LAND I SHOULD AND SHOULDN’T HAVE.

If I had used the US GDP in 2020, my GDP should have been 10x times larger, because the current US GDP is more than 20 trillion. Yet, I placed my GDP at 300 or so billion, 2020 dollars.

Also, "irl history" doesn't explain why you have those land. I have explained why the US has so much swathe of British land and even Colombia, because (apart from the Colombia and Venezuela part) there is a historical precedent for that, namely the War of 1812, Annexation of Dominican Republic, and Roosevelt's purchase of Panama

By 1950, France and the UK had returned pretty much economically to where they were in 1939. It was infrastructure that took mych longer to rebuild. But economically, parts of Europe where at, and even above their pre-WW2 levels. The main exceptions where most of the Eastern Bloc (save for Czechoslovakia) as well as both Germanies, and the USSR (the Soviet economy really boomed under Krushchev).

[Minskiev]

Folks, we can't use the IRL GDP of our nations and slap it into inflasion calculators, because:

- It'a a post WW2 world. Except from USA, USSR and the Third World countries all nations would have been severely impacted by the war. Their economy was on the verge of collapsing, and only then they started to bulid it back.
- Most of the exports we have, for example the US with it's technology exports (Google, Apple, Amazon, etc), Korea's cars and electronics (Hyundai, samsung etc), Russia (diamonds and Siberian oil reserves) hasn't even happened yet. So it doesn't make sense for the GDP to be that high.
- Remember the USSR is a communist nation with a state-planned economy, and this has disastrous consequences (see the Holodomor famine). Compare that to modern Russia, while still a semi-oligarchic republic, has a free market, capitalistic system.

If I had used the US GDP in 2020, my GDP should have been 10x times larger, because the current US GDP is more than 20 trillion. Yet, I placed my GDP at 300 or so billion, 2020 dollars.

Also, "irl history" doesn't explain why you have those land. I have explained why the US has so much swathe of British land and even Colombia, because (apart from the Colombia and Venezuela part) there is a historical precedent for that, namely the War of 1812, Annexation of Dominican Republic, and Roosevelt's purchase of Panama

By 1950, France and the UK had returned pretty much economically to where they were in 1939. It was infrastructure that took mych longer to rebuild. But economically, parts of Europe where at, and even above their pre-WW2 levels. The main exceptions where most of the Eastern Bloc (save for Czechoslovakia) as well as both Germanies, and the USSR (the Soviet economy really boomed under Krushchev).

Yeah I’m really hoping Stalin just has his stroke. Khrushchev shall ignite the world revolution!

[HypErcApitAl]

I don't even know if the Vanguards (Daikorea) would've fought in the world wars, maybe, considering Rossiya being a threat and all, but it kinda makes no sense as to why I'd intervene in Europe.

(though China fought in WWII and Japan fought in WWI, but Nazism/Fascism wouldn't even cross the Daikorean mind considering they're far away.)

I could put-in the work in the future, when this RP gets started down the line (but South Korea utilized textile products and footwear, at the time, which makes sense but they were poor af) though I could mimic that though also be richer because of Birthrate and European/Euramerican investments.

[Sarderia]

Sarderia, when finding my GDP, I didn’t use 1991 Soviet GDP. I found the 1950 GDP, and since it was in 1990 dollars for some reason, I converted it to 2020 and 1950. Your 300 billion is accurate for 1950, and that is for 1950 currency. Not for 2020 currency, however.

Using 2020 currency, the American GDP is 3.1 trillion dollars in 1950. Mine is 1.04 trillion.

For irl history not explaining why I have extra land, that is correct. However, it’s already BEEN addressed, and I shall change it currently.

Fair enough, I would not dispute that. I couldn't find data for either Russia or USSR GDP in 1950, though. Also, please do include how Russia could gain Finland and parts of Norway and Sweden there.

Folks, we can't use the IRL GDP of our nations and slap it into inflasion calculators, because:

- It'a a post WW2 world. Except from USA, USSR and the Third World countries all nations would have been severely impacted by the war. Their economy was on the verge of collapsing, and only then they started to bulid it back.
- Most of the exports we have, for example the US with it's technology exports (Google, Apple, Amazon, etc), Korea's cars and electronics (Hyundai, samsung etc), Russia (diamonds and Siberian oil reserves) hasn't even happened yet. So it doesn't make sense for the GDP to be that high.
- Remember the USSR is a communist nation with a state-planned economy, and this has disastrous consequences (see the Holodomor famine). Compare that to modern Russia, while still a semi-oligarchic republic, has a free market, capitalistic system.

If I had used the US GDP in 2020, my GDP should have been 10x times larger, because the current US GDP is more than 20 trillion. Yet, I placed my GDP at 300 or so billion, 2020 dollars.

Also, "irl history" doesn't explain why you have those land. I have explained why the US has so much swathe of British land and even Colombia, because (apart from the Colombia and Venezuela part) there is a historical precedent for that, namely the War of 1812, Annexation of Dominican Republic, and Roosevelt's purchase of Panama

By 1950, France and the UK had returned pretty much economically to where they were in 1939. It was infrastructure that took mych longer to rebuild. But economically, parts of Europe where at, and even above their pre-WW2 levels. The main exceptions where most of the Eastern Bloc (save for Czechoslovakia) as well as both Germanies, and the USSR (the Soviet economy really boomed under Krushchev).

No, they have not. Actually, the UK and Germany advanced faster than France did. Whereas the French GDP growth only stagnates on the 5% average (and will continue to do so during all the Trente Glorieuses) the German GDP growth was 9-10%. And remember, this is only 5 years after the war, even the Marshall Plan haven't ended yet. The boom period in French history, the Trente Glorieuses, happened between 1945 (some says 1947) to 1970, that's three decades.

I would say the French economy did not approach its pre 1939 levels yet (actually saying 1939 was quite high given most of Europe was on arms race and boosted industrial production), but rather close to it.