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Postby Voxija » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:50 pm

New Finnish Republic I don't know how our characters would feel towards each other. Alas, I never ever use Discord, and to the forums I must go.

Both of our characters are former German soldiers. In theory, they should commiserate on shared war backgrounds, experiences, and trauma. But there is a matter of religion, an important matter in my opinion.

Adam Weiss, my character, is Jewish. Although this is just after the First World War, Nazi Germany wasn't built on nothing. I feel that my character would experience a significant mental block trying to chat with Josef. Although Adam has experienced the loss of comrades and much disaster in the Army, he has also experienced much anti-semitism in the Army and beyond. I can't write that now. Maybe later, after you, New Finnish Republic, has written a couple more posts and I can figure out if your character lacks the anti-semitism quite common in Germans of the time.

Or I can just make Adam Weiss a Gentile. But that would be the easy way out.
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Postby Bingellia » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:14 pm

The Order itself isn't going to tolerate vocal prejudice among it's members from what I've been led to believe.

It's more progressive, generally speaking, than society at large, so vocal antisemitism isn't going help Josef earn any friends from those actually in the order, and even some of the more liberal members within the cast. I'm not going to make an assumption about Josef this early on, nor will I ask Finn to potentially compromise his character by asking them not change that if it's in the cards for Josef. It may be interesting to write about if done well.

As the OP mentioned, this is supposed to be an RP that does feel like the beginning of the interwar period, so it's acceptable for the character to hold views that would be appropriate for the time. However, that's not an excuse to spout that kind of hatred OOCly or cross forum lines. Both DB and myself condemn those kind of views and expect our players to be able to separate the IC thread and OOC interactions.
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Postby New Finnish Republic » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:52 pm

I mean, it's an interesting topic to go over. I have no overt plans to make Josef an anti-Semite or anything close to that regard, but I'm also not going to imagine that Josef wouldn't be at least aware of the stigma that goes with the Jewish people in Germany at the time. To my knowledge, there wasn't as much of a target painted on the Jewish people at that current time, as the flames of war were still just beginning to dwindle down at that time. Would he make note of the fact that he was Jewish and likely have some preconceived biases against him for it? Likely, given the time period. But don't expect Josef to start making any Beer Hall Putsch speeches any time soon :p
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Postby Bolslania » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:28 am

Ok so when the Jerry walks up to the group and randomly introduces himself, he's fine.

But when I walk up to the group and randomly introduce myself, I'm accused of being a monster or a murderer. :lol:

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Postby Lessoni » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:46 am

Bolslania wrote:Ok so when the Jerry walks up to the group and randomly introduces himself, he's fine.

But when I walk up to the group and randomly introduce myself, I'm accused of being a monster or a murderer. :lol:


Boone threatened to murder someone
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Postby Dyelli Beybi » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:09 am

And he arrived, politely introduced himself and showed his invitation. P

I will get a response up to this thread ASAP. Unfortunately what I have opened if a bit too complex for my mobile!

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Postby Bolslania » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:14 pm

Lessoni wrote:
Bolslania wrote:Ok so when the Jerry walks up to the group and randomly introduces himself, he's fine.

But when I walk up to the group and randomly introduce myself, I'm accused of being a monster or a murderer. :lol:


Boone threatened to murder someone



Only after I had been accused of being a monster and a murderer in the span of 2 in-game minutes, and its not murder if they draw first

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Postby Sovereign-Systems » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:04 am

Character Description
    Name: Robin James
    Gender: Female
    Age: 26
    Nationality: British
    Appearance:
    Image

Personal Effects: Keys to the blackwood manor, lord blackwood’s old eagle head cane, and a pearl necklace (formerly Sonia blackwood’s)

Background:
    What is your job: Maid and Personal assistant to Lord blackwood
    Backstory: Robin was born at 15th of June 1892 as the daughter of a coal worker and a housewife in northern england, Robin had a particularly rough upbringing, with his father died in an accident in the factory, leaving her mother to take care of the family financially as Tailor. Due to the family’s financial condition, Robin was unable to continue her education and only managed to have a highschool education, to help support her aging parents financially Robin manages several odd jobs. At the age of 20 she applied and was accepted to become the personal maid for one lord blackwood in 61 Bevenden Street, London. Lord blackwood lived in a large sized house in the middle of downtown london which took up two houses, lord blackwood was a former british explorer and didn’t bother to settle down with a wife, and thus was left alone in his twilight years.

    At first, lord blackwood was cold and distant to the young robin but she remained patient as lord blackwood acted coldly to her. However as the years go by Robin and lord blackwood became closer, with robin reminding lord blackwood of his beloved daughter, Daisy who died of the flu two years ago at the same age of daisy. Lord blackwood’s wife, Helena succumed to the disease the same year. As the years went by, Lord blackwood would treat Robin as a close friend rather than a maid, her lively attitude towards life has given him a more optimist outlook on life and lord blackwood has tried to teach robin himself in hopes to provide her a better future. However robin does not really care about high education, and would rather take care of lord blackwood as his friend and assistant. The two had a Father-Daughter relationship and lord blackwood would frequently tells Robin about her days as a british explorer and how he heard rumors of a secret society that once even contacted him to join, Robin of course took this with a grain of salt and dismissed the idea. The two had a joyous 5 years until…

    Three months ago, Lord Blackwood fell asleep the night before after drinking a cup of chamomile tea that Robin had made for him, he never woke up. Robin tried to wake the aging man up the next morning, but found him unresponsive, and quickly called the ambulance. The doctor revealed the cause of death was a stroke while he was asleep and there was no way to safe him, Robin fell into a deep depression for some time. During the reading of Lord blackwood’s will, Robin met Sonia Blackwood, Lord blackwood’s younger sister who was an actress and has been supporting the aging lord financially. Sonia was to receive the lord’s estates outside of london while, to Robin’s shock, she was the one to receive his main estate in London and also a small black chest as a parting way. Then a month later, his mother followed due to natural causes, at the ripe age of 74 just ten years younger than lord blackwood. In a search for some closure for her griefs, Robin descides to open the small chest. The chest contains a dusty letter, and another note written by the Lord personally. The letter read



My dearest Daisy Robin

If you are reading this note then that means that i have perished, but please do not weep for me. I have known that i have do not much time left and i myself has lived a vivid and colourful life that any man dared to dream of, To daisy, my beloved daughter Robin, my faithful maid who had supported, taken care, and given my life a meaning i give you the opportunity to live a life as exciting and as colourful as mine. In this other letter lies a very important later to which i need to deliver to the Four horse club, i have once tasked to find a new recruit that would help to the grand cause of the order of st thomas,I hope that as my daughter you shall make me proud, i’m sorry i couldn’t give this personally to you After my daughter’s departure i’ve seen the same spark i saw inside of daisy inside of you robin, i’m sure you shall be fit to work as a monster hunter. Many of my old associates would of course teach you the ways, but i’m just disappointed i could may never truly train you to fight Them. Finally know this, no matter what choice you'll choose i'll still be proud of you

Sincerely,

Lord Jonah Blackwood.

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Postby Dyelli Beybi » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:28 pm

Sovereign-Systems wrote:
Character Description
    Name: Robin James
    Gender: Female
    Age: 26
    Nationality: British
    Appearance:
Personal Effects: Keys to the blackwood manor, lord blackwood’s old eagle head cane, and a pearl necklace (formerly Sonia blackwood’s)

Background:
    What is your job: Maid and Personal assistant to Lord blackwood
    Backstory: Robin was born at 15th of June 1892 as the daughter of a coal worker and a housewife in northern england, Robin had a particularly rough upbringing, with his father died in an accident in the factory, leaving her mother to take care of the family financially as Tailor. Due to the family’s financial condition, Robin was unable to continue her education and only managed to have a highschool education, to help support her aging parents financially Robin manages several odd jobs. At the age of 20 she applied and was accepted to become the personal maid for one lord blackwood in 61 Bevenden Street, London. Lord blackwood lived in a large sized house in the middle of downtown london which took up two houses, lord blackwood was a former british explorer and didn’t bother to settle down with a wife, and thus was left alone in his twilight years.

    At first, lord blackwood was cold and distant to the young robin but she remained patient as lord blackwood acted coldly to her. However as the years go by Robin and lord blackwood became closer, with robin reminding lord blackwood of his beloved daughter, Daisy who died of the flu two years ago at the same age of daisy. Lord blackwood’s wife, Helena succumed to the disease the same year. As the years went by, Lord blackwood would treat Robin as a close friend rather than a maid, her lively attitude towards life has given him a more optimist outlook on life and lord blackwood has tried to teach robin himself in hopes to provide her a better future. However robin does not really care about high education, and would rather take care of lord blackwood as his friend and assistant. The two had a Father-Daughter relationship and lord blackwood would frequently tells Robin about her days as a british explorer and how he heard rumors of a secret society that once even contacted him to join, Robin of course took this with a grain of salt and dismissed the idea. The two had a joyous 5 years until…

    Three months ago, Lord Blackwood fell asleep the night before after drinking a cup of chamomile tea that Robin had made for him, he never woke up. Robin tried to wake the aging man up the next morning, but found him unresponsive, and quickly called the ambulance. The doctor revealed the cause of death was a stroke while he was asleep and there was no way to safe him, Robin fell into a deep depression for some time. During the reading of Lord blackwood’s will, Robin met Sonia Blackwood, Lord blackwood’s younger sister who was an actress and has been supporting the aging lord financially. Sonia was to receive the lord’s estates outside of london while, to Robin’s shock, she was the one to receive his main estate in London and also a small black chest as a parting way. Then a month later, his mother followed due to natural causes, at the ripe age of 74 just ten years younger than lord blackwood. In a search for some closure for her griefs, Robin descides to open the small chest. The chest contains a dusty letter, and another note written by the Lord personally. The letter read



My dearest Daisy Robin

If you are reading this note then that means that i have perished, but please do not weep for me. I have known that i have do not much time left and i myself has lived a vivid and colourful life that any man dared to dream of, To daisy, my beloved daughter Robin, my faithful maid who had supported, taken care, and given my life a meaning i give you the opportunity to live a life as exciting and as colourful as mine. In this other letter lies a very important later to which i need to deliver to the Four horse club, i have once tasked to find a new recruit that would help to the grand cause of the order of st thomas,I hope that as my daughter you shall make me proud, i’m sorry i couldn’t give this personally to you After my daughter’s departure i’ve seen the same spark i saw inside of daisy inside of you robin, i’m sure you shall be fit to work as a monster hunter. Many of my old associates would of course teach you the ways, but i’m just disappointed i could may never truly train you to fight Them. Finally know this, no matter what choice you'll choose i'll still be proud of you

Sincerely,

Lord Jonah Blackwood.


Looks good to me. You're on the Discord already aren't you? We'll figure out a way to bring you in for the next scene!

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Postby Dyelli Beybi » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:44 pm

Bols... I told you when I first apped, then again a couple of weeks ago that your character is not a pre-existing member of the Order. Quit trying to write that in.

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Postby Bolslania » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:26 pm

Dyelli Beybi wrote:
Bolslania wrote:So am I accepted or is there something you need me to fix?


Arg sorry again for the slow response! You are, if you edit those bits I mentioned. If you want to bring your character in, feel free to assume they've been with the group the whole time.

I also realise I need to update the character roster!



So is this statement not canon?

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Postby Bingellia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:02 pm

Bolslania wrote:
Dyelli Beybi wrote:
Arg sorry again for the slow response! You are, if you edit those bits I mentioned. If you want to bring your character in, feel free to assume they've been with the group the whole time.

I also realise I need to update the character roster!



So is this statement not canon?


That statement refers to being with the group of characters (or to better explain it, to be with the group at the cathedral at the time), not with the Order.
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Postby Bolslania » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:11 pm

Bingellia wrote:
Bolslania wrote:

So is this statement not canon?


That statement refers to being with the group of characters (or to better explain it, to be with the group at the cathedral at the time), not with the Order.




Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


I horribly misunderstood that


Anyway, edits inbound then


EDIT:

Then why was everyone suspicious of Boone when he showed up if it was canon that he had been there the whole time?
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Postby Grimjerky » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:40 pm

Getting some League of Extraordinary Gentlemen-vibe from this :lol: ....except the gentlemen and women in question aren't that extraordinary besides their own experiences. Have an app coming up eitherways
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Postby Bingellia » Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:59 am

Grimjerky wrote:Getting some League of Extraordinary Gentlemen-vibe from this :lol: ....except the gentlemen and women in question aren't that extraordinary besides their own experiences. Have an app coming up eitherways


Sorry for the delay, but wonderful!
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Postby Voxija » Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:20 am

We're back! Should I change my post?
The Republic of Voxija (pronounced: Voshiya)
I'm a woman. Some weird Jew. Trying to learn French and failing. An American who wishes the US would switch to the metric system. Part of a giant conspiracy. Secret pyromaniac? I will never make an OOC factbook!

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Postby Dyelli Beybi » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:18 am

No, it looked good to me!

Sorry about the delay. I was working on the cowritten bit with Norv which took a little while, then I had a number of personal issues come up and there were Christmas-related delays... but we are back in business! I don't abandon threads, though feel free to give me a prod if you think I'm being slow.

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Postby Dyelli Beybi » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:46 am

Bols... suppressors for pistols didn't exist until the Second World War. Please edit that out.

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Postby Bolslania » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:06 am

Dyelli Beybi wrote:Bols... suppressors for pistols didn't exist until the Second World War. Please edit that out.


My research said that Hiram Maxim made the first commercially available one in 1902, patented in 1909, and hit the markets in 1912.
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Postby Bingellia » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:52 am

Bolslania wrote:
Dyelli Beybi wrote:Bols... suppressors for pistols didn't exist until the Second World War. Please edit that out.


My research said that Hiram Maxim made the first commercially available one in 1902, patented in 1909, and hit the markets in 1912.


While all of that is true, it's important to note that Maxim's suppressor was designed for rifles, not pistols. They would also have likely been large, heavy, and prohibitively expensive and fragile for use in covert operations even on a rifle. As a side note, while Maxim's suppressors we're on the market, they were hardly a commercial success for the company.
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Postby Bolslania » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:08 am

Bingellia wrote:
Bolslania wrote:
My research said that Hiram Maxim made the first commercially available one in 1902, patented in 1909, and hit the markets in 1912.


While all of that is true, it's important to note that Maxim's suppressor was designed for rifles, not pistols. They would also have likely been large, heavy, and prohibitively expensive and fragile for use in covert operations even on a rifle. As a side note, while Maxim's suppressors we're on the market, they were hardly a commercial success for the company.


The maxim silencer was officially used by the US government for rifles, however it can be fitted to a pistol seeing as how the diameter of a weapons barrel is determined by calibre, regardless of whether its a rifle or pistol. The cost was about 120-165 USD, and they worked fine and only began to experience difficulties if put under rapid fire circumstances
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Postby Khasinkonia » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:39 am

Bolslania wrote:
Bingellia wrote:
While all of that is true, it's important to note that Maxim's suppressor was designed for rifles, not pistols. They would also have likely been large, heavy, and prohibitively expensive and fragile for use in covert operations even on a rifle. As a side note, while Maxim's suppressors we're on the market, they were hardly a commercial success for the company.


The maxim silencer was officially used by the US government for rifles, however it can be fitted to a pistol seeing as how the diameter of a weapons barrel is determined by calibre, regardless of whether its a rifle or pistol. The cost was about 120-165 USD, and they worked fine and only began to experience difficulties if put under rapid fire circumstances

Worth noting that that's about $3,125-$4,300 today, so that's definitely very expensive.

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Postby Bingellia » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:41 am

Bolslania wrote:
Bingellia wrote:
While all of that is true, it's important to note that Maxim's suppressor was designed for rifles, not pistols. They would also have likely been large, heavy, and prohibitively expensive and fragile for use in covert operations even on a rifle. As a side note, while Maxim's suppressors we're on the market, they were hardly a commercial success for the company.


The maxim silencer was officially used by the US government for rifles, however it can be fitted to a pistol seeing as how a weapons barrel is determined by calibre, regardless of whether its a rifle or pistol. The cost was about 120-165 USD, and they worked fine and only began to experience difficulties if put under rapid fire circumstances


That may also be true, though it's important to note that there's often slight variations in the actual diameter of the various calibers that are nominally the same diameter, such as the wide assortment of .32 and .38 caliber rounds of the period. For an example applicable for the modern day, 9x18 Makarov is actually a quarter of a millimetre larger in diameter than 9x19 Parabellum because of differences in how the Soviets measured caliber.

That's not mentioning the differing pressure curves between all of those cartridges. Another modern example using the same cartridges, 9mm Para puts out a much higher pressure than 9mm Makarov. This is why pistols in 9mm Makarov can be straight-blowback pistols while pistols in 9mm Para need a locked breech and use some kind of recoil operation system to more safely and pleasantly cycle the gun and keep weight down.

There's also balance concerns when you throw a suppressor made for a rifle on a pistol with a barrel that is probably much shorter than suppressor, which also likely weighs as much as the pistol does. But at the end of the day, you were kindly asked to do something by DB in order to remove an anachronistic technological element from the RP. Any "debate" on our side is purely of good faith, but I'll leave the call up to him.
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Postby Bolslania » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:43 am

Bingellia wrote:
Bolslania wrote:
The maxim silencer was officially used by the US government for rifles, however it can be fitted to a pistol seeing as how a weapons barrel is determined by calibre, regardless of whether its a rifle or pistol. The cost was about 120-165 USD, and they worked fine and only began to experience difficulties if put under rapid fire circumstances


That may also be true, though it's important to note that there's often slight variations in the actual diameter of the various calibers that are nominally the same diameter, such as the wide assortment of .32 and .38 caliber rounds of the period. For an example applicable for the modern day, 9x18 Makarov is actually a quarter of a millimetre larger in diameter than 9x19 Parabellum because of differences in how the Soviets measured caliber.

That's not mentioning the differing pressure curves between all of those cartridges. Another modern example using the same cartridges, 9mm Para puts out a much higher pressure than 9mm Makarov. This is why pistols in 9mm Makarov can be straight-blowback pistols while pistols in 9mm Para need a locked breech and use some kind of recoil operation system to more safely and pleasantly cycle the gun and keep weight down.

There's also balance concerns when you throw a suppressor made for a rifle on a pistol with a barrel that is probably much shorter than suppressor. But at the end of the day, you were kindly asked to do something by DB in order to remove an anachronistic technological element from the RP. Any "debate" on our side is purely of good faith, but I'll leave the call up to him.



Yeah I was just presenting my appeal, if the ruling stands I will edit out the suppressor

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Postby Dyelli Beybi » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:11 am

Alright folks, we seem to be suffering from a lack of posts at the moment. I've spoken on the Discord but wanted to check if anyone (other than Bols - I know you are still here) is still engaged with the thread?

I suspect Sard and Norv will return at some point... Vox, are you still interested in continuing? We are about 3/4 of the way through the story at this point so I don't particularly want to kill it off, unless it has really run it's course!

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