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Postby Emazia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:14 pm

Meelducan wrote:
Emazia wrote:Keep flipping off the progressives, and then complain when they don't turn out.

They’ll turn out lol

Eh...maybe, maybe not. Considering the Democratic Party seems to want to flip off human rights and things the majority of the country support...Who knows what will happen?

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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:15 pm

Meelducan wrote:
Emazia wrote:Keep flipping off the progressives, and then complain when they don't turn out.

They’ll turn out lol

They never turnout, not even for Bernie

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Postby Emazia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:17 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Meelducan wrote:They’ll turn out lol

They never turnout, not even for Bernie

Bernie is a gelatinous creature that bends under the slightest pressure, anyway. That is the farce of American liberalism.

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Postby Meelducan » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:18 pm

Emazia wrote:
Meelducan wrote:They’ll turn out lol

Eh...maybe, maybe not. Considering the Democratic Party seems to want to flip off human rights and things the majority of the country support...Who knows what will happen?

Nah they will, they’d rather have a Democrat in the oval than a Republican that doesn’t even make an attempt with Progressives.

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Meelducan wrote:They’ll turn out lol

They never turnout, not even for Bernie

True, plus not many progressive in the new swing states lol
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Postby Meelducan » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:21 pm

Eh idk, if a Progressive was on the ticket i probably wouldn’t vote for it.
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Postby Emazia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:21 pm

Meelducan wrote:
Emazia wrote:Eh...maybe, maybe not. Considering the Democratic Party seems to want to flip off human rights and things the majority of the country support...Who knows what will happen?

Nah they will, they’d rather have a Democrat in the oval than a Republican that doesn’t even make an attempt with Progressives.

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:They never turnout, not even for Bernie

True, plus not many progressive in the new swing states lol

Yep, most American progressives are, as I said earlier, gelatinous creatures who seem to not care about being kicked in the balls. They don't seem to have a breaking point of any sort. They make me feel sad for the future of socialism in the only place where it is able to prevail without military resistance.

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Postby Emazia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:25 pm

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Meelducan wrote:Nah they will, they’d rather have a Democrat in the oval than a Republican that doesn’t even make an attempt with Progressives.


True, plus not many progressive in the new swing states lol

Yep, most American progressives are, as I said earlier, gelatinous creatures who seem to not care about being kicked in the balls. They don't seem to have a breaking point of any sort. They make me feel sad for the future of socialism in the only place where it is able to prevail without military resistance.

I am indeed very disappointed with most American leftists, but sadly that's just the way things are.

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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:30 pm

Meelducan wrote:Eh idk, if a Progressive was on the ticket i probably wouldn’t vote for it.


I would support the Democrat this year considering Trump's handling of the pandemic(or lack thereof), unless it was a crazy lunatic(like Bass), or a neocon(Maybe like Rice, I need to read up on her)

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Postby Agarntrop » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:05 pm

These posts will all age well.

But anyway the democratic party is nasty and pretty infested anyway.

If I lived in a safe state I may consider voting independent or third party at the congressional level, especially if it was one of those corporate mofos running on the dem side.
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Postby Meelducan » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:09 pm

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Postby Main Nation Ministry » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:11 pm

I wish to vote for Zombie Ronald Reagan.
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Postby Emazia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:23 pm

Main Nation Ministry wrote:I wish to vote for Zombie Ronald Reagan.

Of course you're voting for the SCP lol

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Postby Main Nation Ministry » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:26 pm

Emazia wrote:
Main Nation Ministry wrote:I wish to vote for Zombie Ronald Reagan.

Of course you're voting for the SCP lol

Nah bruh, the Ronald Reagan SCP was a cursed VHS tape, not a zombie version of Reagan.
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Postby Alozia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:59 pm

Emazia wrote:
Emazia wrote:Yep, most American progressives are, as I said earlier, gelatinous creatures who seem to not care about being kicked in the balls. They don't seem to have a breaking point of any sort. They make me feel sad for the future of socialism in the only place where it is able to prevail without military resistance.

I am indeed very disappointed with most American leftists, but sadly that's just the way things are.

The majority of American progressives, at least those who are actually relevant, understand that they won't achieve anything by fighting on all fronts. In order to achieve reform (which is the only way the American system can be changed, with no revolution being viable) they have to establish connections and build bridges with legislators and activists in order to get things done. The reason Bernie is personally so conciliatory is not because he is a spineless coward, but because he understands that the moment he goes on the offensive he will get destroyed by the media. See what happened when someone from his camp tried to go on the attack. There is a reason why so much anti-progressive slander is taken at face value. Progressives simply are not on the same playing field as the moderates or conservatives, they do not have a big media presence or organization. This and the fact that the Overton window is so much to the right. America, in terms of it's electorate, is not ready to take measures taken by other countries over 70 years ago, and even less so in terms of political solutions not yet undertaken by any nation in the world. The reason progressives don't get things done is because they can't get things done, not because they don't want to get things done. In my opinion little blame for this can be ascribed to modern day progressives or any progressives for that matter. The very harsh legacy of the Cold War still lives on, albeit nowadays considerably less so than in the past, making it difficult to get things done with the majority of the electorate being conditioned into rejecting many left-wing ideas from an early age to the point where "left-wing" as a term itself is completely useless in the context of American politics.

Anyway, my point is simple. Instead of rejecting and slandering people like Bernie Sanders, a legitimately good person who wanted to do good things and probably the strongest advocate for actual left-wing politics in America in decades, his achievements as an advocate should be celebrated and the qualities he sought to pass on to his supporters implemented in our everyday lives without turning him into a center of a cult. People like Bernie or AOC should be inspirations for any well-meaning leftist, especially in the Western hemisphere where the only path to change is through reform. This is not to say they should be celebrated without any critique, Bernie had a long career during which he has made mistakes and taken policy positions which were harmful to many people (for example his position on immigration) and his class-reductionist rhetoric led to him being insensitive to issues of many groups of people (which is not to say he outright ignored or demonized them). Bernie's transformation through the years should also not be ignored, his 2020 platform was actually a really good one when it comes to the issues he once was rather ignorant on (it stressed identity-based policy alongside class-based policy instead of ignoring the former), but that was possible only because of the dialogue he undoubtedly had with activists and advocacy groups after he rose to prominence.

The progressives' "spinelessness" is the reason why America is seeing the largest number of progressive elected officials in it's modern history right now. They're not spineless - they're smart. In a political climate where their ideology is not one of the two default ones they are doing what they can to normalize their beliefs in the eyes of the public. They won't achieve that by being aggressive and inflammatory. They understand that change won't happen over night or over the course of a single election cycle. A quick flood of change like a revolution seems nice, but it's an escapist fantasy. There is no blueprint for such an event and there never will be, because it's unachievable which is why it's important to uplift progressive reformers instead of trying to bring them down.
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Postby Emazia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:06 pm

Alozia wrote:
Emazia wrote:I am indeed very disappointed with most American leftists, but sadly that's just the way things are.

The majority of American progressives, at least those who are actually relevant, understand that they won't achieve anything by fighting on all fronts. In order to achieve reform (which is the only way the American system can be changed, with no revolution being viable) they have to establish connections and build bridges with legislators and activists in order to get things done. The reason Bernie is personally so conciliatory is not because he is a spineless coward, but because he understands that the moment he goes on the offensive he will get destroyed by the media. See what happened when someone from his camp tried to go on the attack. There is a reason why so much anti-progressive slander is taken at face value. Progressives simply are not on the same playing field as the moderates or conservatives, they do not have a big media presence or organization. This and the fact that the Overton window is so much to the right. America, in terms of it's electorate, is not ready to take measures taken by other countries over 70 years ago, and even less so in terms of political solutions not yet undertaken by any nation in the world. The reason progressives don't get things done is because they can't get things done, not because they don't want to get things done. In my opinion little blame for this can be ascribed to modern day progressives or any progressives for that matter. The very harsh legacy of the Cold War still lives on, albeit nowadays considerably less so than in the past, making it difficult to get things done with the majority of the electorate being conditioned into rejecting many left-wing ideas from an early age to the point where "left-wing" as a term itself is completely useless in the context of American politics.

Anyway, my point is simple. Instead of rejecting and slandering people like Bernie Sanders, a legitimately good person who wanted to do good things and probably the strongest advocate for actual left-wing politics in America in decades, his achievements as an advocate should be celebrated and the qualities he sought to pass on to his supporters implemented in our everyday lives without turning him into a center of a cult. People like Bernie or AOC should be inspirations for any well-meaning leftist, especially in the Western hemisphere where the only path to change is through reform. This is not to say they should be celebrated without any critique, Bernie had a long career during which he has made mistakes and taken policy positions which were harmful to many people (for example his position on immigration) and his class-reductionist rhetoric led to him being insensitive to issues of many groups of people (which is not to say he outright ignored or demonized them). Bernie's transformation through the years should also not be ignored, his 2020 platform was actually a really good one when it comes to the issues he once was rather ignorant on (it stressed identity-based policy alongside class-based policy instead of ignoring the former), but that was possible only because of the dialogue he undoubtedly had with activists and advocacy groups after he rose to prominence.

The progressives' "spinelessness" is the reason why America is seeing the largest number of progressive elected officials in it's modern history right now. They're not spineless - they're smart. In a political climate where their ideology is not one of the two default ones they are doing what they can to normalize their beliefs in the eyes of the public. They won't achieve that by being aggressive and inflammatory. They understand that change won't happen over night or over the course of a single election cycle. A quick flood of change like a revolution seems nice, but it's an escapist fantasy. There is no blueprint for such an event and there never will be, because it's unachievable which is why it's important to uplift progressive reformers instead of trying to bring them down.

That's a very good point, and if it wasn't 1am in the morning I'd write a response.

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Postby Azekopolaltion » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:08 pm

Alozia wrote:The majority of American progressives, at least those who are actually relevant, understand that they won't achieve anything by fighting on all fronts. In order to achieve reform (which is the only way the American system can be changed, with no revolution being viable) they have to establish connections and build bridges with legislators and activists in order to get things done. The reason Bernie is personally so conciliatory is not because he is a spineless coward, but because he understands that the moment he goes on the offensive he will get destroyed by the media. See what happened when someone from his camp tried to go on the attack. There is a reason why so much anti-progressive slander is taken at face value. Progressives simply are not on the same playing field as the moderates or conservatives, they do not have a big media presence or organization. This and the fact that the Overton window is so much to the right. America, in terms of it's electorate, is not ready to take measures taken by other countries over 70 years ago, and even less so in terms of political solutions not yet undertaken by any nation in the world. The reason progressives don't get things done is because they can't get things done, not because they don't want to get things done. In my opinion little blame for this can be ascribed to modern day progressives or any progressives for that matter. The very harsh legacy of the Cold War still lives on, albeit nowadays considerably less so than in the past, making it difficult to get things done with the majority of the electorate being conditioned into rejecting many left-wing ideas from an early age to the point where "left-wing" as a term itself is completely useless in the context of American politics.

Anyway, my point is simple. Instead of rejecting and slandering people like Bernie Sanders, a legitimately good person who wanted to do good things and probably the strongest advocate for actual left-wing politics in America in decades, his achievements as an advocate should be celebrated and the qualities he sought to pass on to his supporters implemented in our everyday lives without turning him into a center of a cult. People like Bernie or AOC should be inspirations for any well-meaning leftist, especially in the Western hemisphere where the only path to change is through reform. This is not to say they should be celebrated without any critique, Bernie had a long career during which he has made mistakes and taken policy positions which were harmful to many people (for example his position on immigration) and his class-reductionist rhetoric led to him being insensitive to issues of many groups of people (which is not to say he outright ignored or demonized them). Bernie's transformation through the years should also not be ignored, his 2020 platform was actually a really good one when it comes to the issues he once was rather ignorant on (it stressed identity-based policy alongside class-based policy instead of ignoring the former), but that was possible only because of the dialogue he undoubtedly had with activists and advocacy groups after he rose to prominence.

The progressives' "spinelessness" is the reason why America is seeing the largest number of progressive elected officials in it's modern history right now. They're not spineless - they're smart. In a political climate where their ideology is not one of the two default ones they are doing what they can to normalize their beliefs in the eyes of the public. They won't achieve that by being aggressive and inflammatory. They understand that change won't happen over night or over the course of a single election cycle. A quick flood of change like a revolution seems nice, but it's an escapist fantasy. There is no blueprint for such an event and there never will be, because it's unachievable which is why it's important to uplift progressive reformers instead of trying to bring them down.

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Postby Azekopolaltion » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:10 pm

And which is also why we should’ve all been a little nicer to Elizabeth Warren...
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Postby Emazia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:14 pm

Azekopolaltion wrote:And which is also why we should’ve all been a little nicer to Elizabeth Warren...

Ok, that I need to address, and can do so with my current level of brain function. She was an opportunist who hunted for the Biden endorsement, went after Bernie Sanders and lied about being Native American.

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Postby Agarntrop » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:14 pm

Azekopolaltion wrote:
Alozia wrote:The majority of American progressives, at least those who are actually relevant, understand that they won't achieve anything by fighting on all fronts. In order to achieve reform (which is the only way the American system can be changed, with no revolution being viable) they have to establish connections and build bridges with legislators and activists in order to get things done. The reason Bernie is personally so conciliatory is not because he is a spineless coward, but because he understands that the moment he goes on the offensive he will get destroyed by the media. See what happened when someone from his camp tried to go on the attack. There is a reason why so much anti-progressive slander is taken at face value. Progressives simply are not on the same playing field as the moderates or conservatives, they do not have a big media presence or organization. This and the fact that the Overton window is so much to the right. America, in terms of it's electorate, is not ready to take measures taken by other countries over 70 years ago, and even less so in terms of political solutions not yet undertaken by any nation in the world. The reason progressives don't get things done is because they can't get things done, not because they don't want to get things done. In my opinion little blame for this can be ascribed to modern day progressives or any progressives for that matter. The very harsh legacy of the Cold War still lives on, albeit nowadays considerably less so than in the past, making it difficult to get things done with the majority of the electorate being conditioned into rejecting many left-wing ideas from an early age to the point where "left-wing" as a term itself is completely useless in the context of American politics.

Anyway, my point is simple. Instead of rejecting and slandering people like Bernie Sanders, a legitimately good person who wanted to do good things and probably the strongest advocate for actual left-wing politics in America in decades, his achievements as an advocate should be celebrated and the qualities he sought to pass on to his supporters implemented in our everyday lives without turning him into a center of a cult. People like Bernie or AOC should be inspirations for any well-meaning leftist, especially in the Western hemisphere where the only path to change is through reform. This is not to say they should be celebrated without any critique, Bernie had a long career during which he has made mistakes and taken policy positions which were harmful to many people (for example his position on immigration) and his class-reductionist rhetoric led to him being insensitive to issues of many groups of people (which is not to say he outright ignored or demonized them). Bernie's transformation through the years should also not be ignored, his 2020 platform was actually a really good one when it comes to the issues he once was rather ignorant on (it stressed identity-based policy alongside class-based policy instead of ignoring the former), but that was possible only because of the dialogue he undoubtedly had with activists and advocacy groups after he rose to prominence.

The progressives' "spinelessness" is the reason why America is seeing the largest number of progressive elected officials in it's modern history right now. They're not spineless - they're smart. In a political climate where their ideology is not one of the two default ones they are doing what they can to normalize their beliefs in the eyes of the public. They won't achieve that by being aggressive and inflammatory. They understand that change won't happen over night or over the course of a single election cycle. A quick flood of change like a revolution seems nice, but it's an escapist fantasy. There is no blueprint for such an event and there never will be, because it's unachievable which is why it's important to uplift progressive reformers instead of trying to bring them down.

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Postby Meelducan » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:20 pm

Azekopolaltion wrote:And which is also why we should’ve all been a little nicer to Elizabeth Warren...

Nah Pocahontas sucks and I’d rather vote for Trump than that self serving woman.
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Postby New Cobastheia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:35 pm

Emazia wrote:
Azekopolaltion wrote:And which is also why we should’ve all been a little nicer to Elizabeth Warren...

Ok, that I need to address, and can do so with my current level of brain function. She was an opportunist who hunted for the Biden endorsement, went after Bernie Sanders and lied about being Native American.

You've clearly never met any other White person from Oklahoma, as a preface, they all think they're Cherokee Royalty

And regardless of that she had a pretty good Native Issues policy
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Postby Emazia » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:42 pm

New Cobastheia wrote:
Emazia wrote:Ok, that I need to address, and can do so with my current level of brain function. She was an opportunist who hunted for the Biden endorsement, went after Bernie Sanders and lied about being Native American.

You've clearly never met any other White person from Oklahoma, as a preface, they all think they're Cherokee Royalty

And regardless of that she had a pretty good Native Issues policy

White people pretending to be ethnic minorities is one of the most annoying things ever...

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