Land of The Free: American Political Roleplay (OOC IV)

[Sarenium]

Are any of you guys starting to feel like we all just died at some point before COVID and have been living in Hell for the last couple of months/years?

Like don't get me wrong, I like some good choas in my politics, it'd be boring otherwise, but like, at this point, I'm starting to feel as if I've had enough

Covid was depressing, cost me a relationship, ruined my mental health to the point where I had to leave a job I loved and slashed my motivation for academic success.

Political depression I had in May 2019 when a man who put 20 families in jail cells on tiny islands with no doctors was re-elected Prime Minister.

But now... now the year has just pushed support of the institutions to near 0. My home country was ruined by a revolution, so I hate revolutionary thought, but everything between a full revolution and status quo I'm prepared to accept.

[Lavan Tiri]

So apparently Murkowski, Romney, Collins and Grassley have all said they won’t vote until after election

Edit: unconfirmed considering I heard it from twitter

Collins is tryna save her skin, Romney and Murkowski I could predict, but Grassley?

[Sarenium]

So apparently Murkowski, Romney, Collins and Grassley have all said they won’t vote until after election

Edit: unconfirmed considering I heard it from twitter

Collins is tryna save her skin, Romney and Murkowski I could predict, but Grassley?

he's so old, he's the definition of 'the institution'. Toomey would change his tune if Biden was stable with over 10 points in Pennsylvania.

[Federal States of Xathuecia]

If Trump wins again, I will officially be pissed off.

[Kargintina the Third]

If Trump wins again, I will officially be pissed off.

I assume cause of justice

[Lavan Tiri]

If Trump wins again, I will officially be pissed off.

He won't. I'm almost certain of that.

Collins is tryna save her skin, Romney and Murkowski I could predict, but Grassley?

he's so old, he's the definition of 'the institution'. Toomey would change his tune if Biden was stable with over 10 points in Pennsylvania.

I don't wanna live in a country where people like Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley sit on the Supreme Court.

[Kargintina the Third]

As long as the new justice is pro-life and pro-gun I am satisfied.

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Are any of you guys starting to feel like we all just died at some point before COVID and have been living in Hell for the last couple of months/years?

Like don't get me wrong, I like some good choas in my politics, it'd be boring otherwise, but like, at this point, I'm starting to feel as if I've had enough

Things have been going pretty well for me personally.

[Kargintina the Third]

Are any of you guys starting to feel like we all just died at some point before COVID and have been living in Hell for the last couple of months/years?

Like don't get me wrong, I like some good choas in my politics, it'd be boring otherwise, but like, at this point, I'm starting to feel as if I've had enough

My life went to shit well before COVID

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

If Trump wins again, I will officially be pissed off.

I would give it a 40% chance of happening

[Federal States of Xathuecia]

If Trump wins again, I will officially be pissed off.

I assume cause of justice

Yep.

[Kargintina the Third]

Press Secretary for Romney said news of him being confirmed as a no are false

https://twitter.com/LJ0hnson/status/130 ... 85858?s=20

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Cocaine Mitch is going for it!

[Bruke]

Political differences aside, it is very tragic for someone to die especially someone with so much time serving our nation in office. May she rip.

It’s especially awful for her grandchildren...

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Political differences aside, it is very tragic for someone to die especially someone with so much time serving our nation in office. May she rip.

It’s especially awful for her grandchildren...

She knew what she was getting into when she did not retire in 2014.

If you are a liberal she should have rode off into the sunset at that point

[Bruke]

I think this is the end of the liberal activist SCOTUS for better or for worse. 3/9 conservative judges are gonna be a generation away from retirement. 6-3 conservative majority for the foreseeable future, maybe 5-4 after Thomas passes.

The Court literally hasn't leaned Liberal since Johnson. Maybe since Carter. For the past three decades though, it has been stringently slight-Conservative bend, it's most "Liberal" rulings were authored by Republican-appointed Judges in the mold of Kennedy and Stevens.

Filling this vacancy so close to election is an act of the ultimate political hypocrisy, and it's ramifications on judicial philosophy and national unity will be immense. The 2018 Senate Races saw 52.2 million Americans vote for Democratic candidates, and 34.7 million for Republicans. They also sent 60.5 million House ballots to Democrats, while sending 50.8 million to Republicans. This President was elected with less votes. This Senate is held hostage by a man who has turned 'the greatest deliberative body' into a rubber stamp for judicial nominees. Neither has a mandate to fill the vacancy.

Conservatives giving up on passing statutory law and hoping to stack the judiciary to hold hostage the legislative mechanism of the United States through case law is also the single largest failure of Democracy. John Howard, the most conservative Prime Minister of Australia decried case law as antidemocratic in nature, legal theorists universally agree that case law inadvertently alienates voters because they didn't vote to give that mandate to a court. The U.S. is now two steps from a banana republic, have fun lmao.

To bold 1, I would say, does the person bringing about the result matter more than the result itself? You could argue they became more moderate once on the Court- Warren could be a good example of that, or perhaps Roberts in the present day. Of course, Roberts is more conservative then Warren was but I think the point still stands.

To bold 2, I would say there are many legal theorists who would say case law doesn’t alienate voters (My classes focused on American theorists talking about American courts, but you could make similar arguments for any Western democracy with politically appointed judges rather than a judicial bureaucracy.) The states, or the executive and/or legislative branches can take action (insert: bring up referendums, issue executive orders, push through legislation, etc.) that complies with the letter of the law but not its spirit or use whatever leeway is available under current case law to blunt its impact.

And you know who chooses legislators and the executive at both the state and federal levels... the voters.

[The Orion Islands]

What the thought is is that whoever Biden picks will solidify liberal control of the courts and end the conservative leanings.

I know it's hypocritical, but I want Trump and McConnell to put someone on. We cannot allow the courts to rewrite our laws like they have done over the last few years.

[Louisianan]

If Trump wins again, I will officially be pissed off.

I frankly choose not to vote in some cases, but when you look at the history of both people, Trump kinda is the best choice. There is no perfect person, but when choosing between Trump and Biden, Trump should win. Biden has tried to end social security, he promoted Busing in california in the 1970s, he has obvious cognitive difficulties, Trump may in your opinion be a bad guy, but compare for a minute, in Obama's presidency things were rough for black americans, Biden says he will do better than trump and save america.... he had eight years to do that and he couldn't. What's changed?????

[Louisianan]

FYI when obama was first put into office, I couldn't vote, but I was a democrat at the time and would have voted for him, then after his presidency, it was obvious that there were better choices.

[Federal States of Xathuecia]

If Trump wins again, I will officially be pissed off.

I frankly choose not to vote in some cases, but when you look at the history of both people, Trump kinda is the best choice. There is no perfect person, but when choosing between Trump and Biden, Trump should win. Biden has tried to end social security, he promoted Busing in california in the 1970s, he has obvious cognitive difficulties, Trump may in your opinion be a bad guy, but compare for a minute, in Obama's presidency things were rough for black americans, Biden says he will do better than trump and save america.... he had eight years to do that and he couldn't. What's changed?????

Unless you’re black (and apologies if you are!), I frankly don’t care what you think or how you consider the state of black Americans in this country.

[Louisianan]

I frankly choose not to vote in some cases, but when you look at the history of both people, Trump kinda is the best choice. There is no perfect person, but when choosing between Trump and Biden, Trump should win. Biden has tried to end social security, he promoted Busing in california in the 1970s, he has obvious cognitive difficulties, Trump may in your opinion be a bad guy, but compare for a minute, in Obama's presidency things were rough for black americans, Biden says he will do better than trump and save america.... he had eight years to do that and he couldn't. What's changed?????

Unless you’re black (and apologies if you are!), I frankly don’t care what you think or how you consider the state of black Americans in this country.

Uhhh.... I'm mixed. I am half black and half white, and my father and his whole family is black and they all voted Trump.

[Federal States of Xathuecia]

Obama was by far not a perfect president and by far do African Americans continue to suffer under both administrations, but I do not think Trump is a bad guy. I think he is an absolute manifestation of so much hypocrisy, from this justification of replacing RBG to putting children in cages to claiming to be doing so much for black and LGBT Americans while systematically upholding the notion that white supremacy isn’t a problem and removing statutory protections. Not to mention his COVID response.

Now I won’t argue these points with you since it’s clear your views are more than likely bent towards Trump and justifying some or all of these points will undoubtedly come natural to you but it doesn’t for me, it won’t for me, and it will never be for me. I have often tried to consider the other side as someone we should try to work with, to reduce partisanship and focus on incremental change. I want to have conservations and friendships with people I disagree with but events like these only make me more partial to the notion that many people on the Trump high have fundamentally different values from me. And that’s something I can’t overcome to simply label Trump as a bad guy.

So I would vote for a broomstick before I voted for Donald John Trump.

[Louisianan]

I actually modeled Hypolite after a few of my family members from years and years ago, I got tons of funny stories and I got a whole family tree. Hypolite Richard was my grandmothers grandfather, Meaun was my grandmothers mother, Ulysse was my grandfathers father, and Edvar is my grandfathers grandfather, and my grandfathers paternal last name and our family name is Gaspard. While on my fathers side, I have Lessiant Guidry, and all of them, I didn't name many people after them. (FYI most of those people are dead so it's ok for me to talk about them)

[Louisianan]

Obama was by far not a perfect president and by far do African Americans continue to suffer under both administrations, but I do not think Trump is a bad guy. I think he is an absolute manifestation of so much hypocrisy, from this justification of replacing RBG to putting children in cages to claiming to be doing so much for black and LGBT Americans while systematically upholding the notion that white supremacy isn’t a problem and removing statutory protections. Not to mention his COVID response.

Now I won’t argue these points with you since it’s clear your views are more than likely bent towards Trump and justifying some or all of these points will undoubtedly come natural to you but it doesn’t for me, it won’t for me, and it will never be for me. I have often tried to consider the other side as someone we should try to work with, to reduce partisanship and focus on incremental change. I want to have conservations and friendships with people I disagree with but events like these only make me more partial to the notion that many people on the Trump high have fundamentally different values from me. And that’s something I can’t overcome to simply label Trump as a bad guy.

So I would vote for a broomstick before I voted for Donald John Trump.

I only defend actions of his that have a good reason and cause, when you look at the things he has done on a whole level it seems kinda iffy but when you get down into it it becomes clearer. I just heard about RBG dying, so I am not educated on that subject much. When you say putting children in cages, you mean putting children who were illegally brought here in cages. It doesn't make it morally correct, but they are not citizens of this country, they do not have the same privilleges that my son or daughter would if I had them. If I did something illegal, they would be sent to other family, that family for these kids, is in another country, when looking at it from a security standpoint, criminals go to jail, kids go to juvenile halls, illegal immigrants, whether they came here purposefully or not, are criminals, simple as that. Under Trump, my family has gotten more foodstamps that they need, more social security that they need. Trump has never openly commented about LGBTQ issues. Pence has though, but again Pence doesn't like LGBTQ (Pence would be a bad president) Biden didn't like social security, (Biden will be a bad president) In Trumps presidency, Black Americans haven't lost anything. I have the exact same rights that you do as a white person ( I assume you are white ) WTF do you mean his covid response???? Biden thought trump was being Xenophobic and racist for stopping travel to china.

[Louisianan]

To be honest, the reason I have never said I was black because I don't want to be discriminated against, not in a bad way, but like people would be very touchy about racial subjects and I HATE that, it shouldn't be "I am so sorry for the slave days, here, I'll get on my hands and knees to apologize" It should be, "Hey, the slave days were bad, we got through them, nothing we can do about it, time to move on" So please, nobody act any differently than you did before, and nobody say that I'm not black because I like Trump. Also, I my family and I, don't like to be called african americans, we are not from africa, we know nobody in africa, we are Americans, simple as that, so call me either black or white, just not african american.