Aftermath of Empire [closed]

[Plzen]

Say, what kind of East Asian culture would be dominate in the Americas? Judging by the OP of Jinshan being a New World superpower and with the Americas discovered by Korean explorers, am I safe in assuming a sort of a Cantonese-Korean cultural split in the Americas the same way there's an Anglo-Latino cultural split in real life among the settler nations?

By the simple realities of geographical convenience, I have to imagine that the Americas tend to be less Cantonese-heavy than the rest of the world. It'll probably be Korea, Japan, and maybe one of the northern Mandarin/Manchu powers that were the dominant colonial powers of the New World. Guangzhou to San Francisco is a much longer sail than Rotterdam to New York.

That being said, I don't care enough about the issue to enforce a common standard; if you want to roleplay a Cantonese Jinshan, go ahead.

Even in an alternate universe, there are still people worshiping British idols.

It's quite interesting how little interest there is in East Asia in an RP explicitly about East Asian cultural hegemony. NationStates' Eurocentrism strikes again?

[HypErcApitAl]

Say, what kind of East Asian culture would be dominate in the Americas? Judging by the OP of Jinshan being a New World superpower and with the Americas discovered by Korean explorers, am I safe in assuming a sort of a Cantonese-Korean cultural split in the Americas the same way there's an Anglo-Latino cultural split in real life among the settler nations?

By the simple realities of geographical convenience, I have to imagine that the Americas tend to be less Cantonese-heavy than the rest of the world. It'll probably be Korea, Japan, and maybe one of the northern Mandarin/Manchu powers that were the dominant colonial powers of the New World. Guangzhou to San Francisco is a much longer sail than Rotterdam to New York.

That being said, I don't care enough about the issue to enforce a common standard; if you want to roleplay a Cantonese Jinshan, go ahead.

Even in an alternate universe, there are still people worshiping British idols.

It's quite interesting how little interest there is in East Asia in an RP explicitly about East Asian cultural hegemony. NationStates' Eurocentrism strikes again?

Not really that uncommon. That's why you really don't see people roleplaying African or South American nations.

[Intermountain States]

Say, what kind of East Asian culture would be dominate in the Americas? Judging by the OP of Jinshan being a New World superpower and with the Americas discovered by Korean explorers, am I safe in assuming a sort of a Cantonese-Korean cultural split in the Americas the same way there's an Anglo-Latino cultural split in real life among the settler nations?

By the simple realities of geographical convenience, I have to imagine that the Americas tend to be less Cantonese-heavy than the rest of the world. It'll probably be Korea, Japan, and maybe one of the northern Mandarin/Manchu powers that were the dominant colonial powers of the New World.

That being said, I don't care enough about the issue to enforce a common standard; if you want to roleplay a Cantonese Jinshan, go ahead.

Even in an alternate universe, there are still people worshiping British idols.

It's quite interesting how little interest there is in East Asia in an RP explicitly about East Asian cultural hegemony. NationStates' Eurocentrism strikes again?

I see, I've mistakenly assumed that with Cantonese being the language of trade and diplomacy that I assumed greater Cantonese influence in Jinshan. Mea culpa.

I'm also wondering about the boundary of where Oriental settlement in North America stops and Native American (I'm assuming) land begins. Is there a geographic boundary like say the Rocky Mountains or the Mississippi River or is through some political borders?

[Plzen]

I'm also wondering about the boundary of where Oriental settlement in North America stops and Native American (I'm assuming) land begins. Is there a geographic boundary like say the Rocky Mountains or the Mississippi River or is through some political borders?

The colonisation of the Americas in general was a much smaller affair than IRL (the Pacific being much larger than the Atlantic and fertile land being rather more abundant in the east coast than the west), and Jinshan isn't the kind of global superpower that the United States is IRL, capable of maintaining a single-nation cultural hegemony over the rest of the world.

The cultural and ethnic borders vaguely follow the course of the Rocky Mountains and the Sonoran Desert, to the west of which lie almost entirely Sinitic colonial towns and to the east of which lies a chaotic mess of interlocked ethnicities and ancient imperialist conflicts. The political boundaries reflect the cultural borders only sometimes.

[Intermountain States]

I'm also wondering about the boundary of where Oriental settlement in North America stops and Native American (I'm assuming) land begins. Is there a geographic boundary like say the Rocky Mountains or the Mississippi River or is through some political borders?

The cultural and ethnic borders vaguely follow the course of the Rocky Mountains and the Sonoran Desert, to the west of which lie almost entirely Sinitic colonial towns and to the east of which lies a chaotic mess of interlocked ethnicities and ancient imperialist conflicts. The political boundaries reflect the cultural borders only sometimes.

Is it the same situation in central and South America? Also, I'm not well versed in lunar calendar and I apologize in advance if this was already answered but is there a reference to time conversion between Western and Eastern dating?

[Plzen]

Is it the same situation in central and South America? Also, I'm not well versed in lunar calendar and I apologize in advance if this was already answered but is there a reference to time conversion between Western and Eastern dating?

South America, Andes mountains, ditto.

The dating in this RP uses the birth of Confucius, 551 BC, as year 1. So the 2401 starting date of this RP is 1850 AD.

[Intermountain States]

Is it the same situation in central and South America? Also, I'm not well versed in lunar calendar and I apologize in advance if this was already answered but is there a reference to time conversion between Western and Eastern dating?

South America, Andes mountains, ditto.

The dating in this RP uses the birth of Confucius, 551 BC, as year 1. So the 2401 starting date of this RP is 1850 AD.

1850 AD? I thought this was parallel to 2020 AD. We've moved quickly, must be generations of Asian parents pushing their kids to change the world

[Plzen]

1850 AD? I thought this was parallel to 2020 AD.

The world is technologically, socially, and politically comparable to our world in 2020 AD. That doesn't necessarily mean that the same number of years have passed since the PoD to this point.

Since the Dark Ages started a couple centuries earlier than it did IRL, I imagined all subsequent technological and social developments happened somewhat earlier than they did IRL.

[Intermountain States]

1850 AD? I thought this was parallel to 2020 AD.

The world is technologically, socially, and politically comparable to our world in 2020 AD. That doesn't necessarily mean that the same number of years have passed since the PoD to this point.

Since the Dark Ages started a couple centuries earlier than it did IRL, I imagined all subsequent technological and social developments happened somewhat earlier than they did IRL.

That sort of makes sense, the Han Dynasty did fell earlier than Rome. Unrelated but I'm assuming that the feasibility of Sinitic Texas is pretty low?

[Plzen]

That sort of makes sense, the Han Dynasty did fell earlier than Rome. Unrelated but I'm assuming that the feasibility of Sinitic Texas is pretty low?

You assume correctly.

[Intermountain States]

That sort of makes sense, the Han Dynasty did fell earlier than Rome. Unrelated but I'm assuming that the feasibility of Sinitic Texas is pretty low?

You assume correctly.

Darn, there goes my Asian empire of cattle and oil. Guess I'll have to focus on the West Coast then. At least I could do gold there.

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

Hmmm, maybe a Native American oil-state a la Saudi Arabia in Texas would work?

[HypErcApitAl]

Wait, who is Jinshan? Are they Chinese?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You assume correctly.

Darn, there goes my Asian empire of cattle and oil. Guess I'll have to focus on the West Coast then. At least I could do gold there.

Perhaps that could work in Argentina?

[Plzen]

Wait, who is Jinshan? Are they Chinese?

Okay, at this point it's blatantly clear you can't be bothered to check the OP for answers before asking me questions. In that case I can't be bothered to answer them.

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Hmmm, maybe a Native American oil-state a la Saudi Arabia in Texas would work?

Not only is such a state plausible, exactly that model of state has been described in the Regional Descriptions. :p

[HypErcApitAl]

Wait, who is Jinshan? Are they Chinese?

Okay, at this point it's blatantly clear you can't be bothered to check the OP for answers before asking me questions. In that case I can't be bothered to answer them.

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Hmmm, maybe a Native American oil-state a la Saudi Arabia in Texas would work?

Not only is such a state plausible, exactly that model of state has been described in the Regional Descriptions.

I read the OP, dude, I just needed a reminder. They're the USA parallel, now that I've checked.

Chinese-sounding name, so I assumed they're Chinese (and I'm kinda right, I guess) but I'm bad with Chinese names. Easier to say Pacific States of America, in my book.

[Arvenia]

Can I be some kind of a Christian republic that is similar to real-life Iran?

[Plzen]

Can I be some kind of a Christian republic that is similar to real-life Iran?

Sure; it wouldn't be out of the question in the religious patchwork that is Central and Eastern Europe.

[Arvenia]

Can I be some kind of a Christian republic that is similar to real-life Iran?

Sure; it wouldn't be out of the question in the religious patchwork that is Central and Eastern Europe.

Like Germany or Yugoslavia?

[Plzen]

Like Germany or Yugoslavia?

What is IRL Yugoslavia will probably be a part of Europa, but Germany could work.

[Sarderia]

I still want to hold Malaya and turn it into the Eastern Europe equivalent of this RP. In the sense they were a colonial power similar to Zhongchow states in the Age of Discovery - considering Malaya has the maritime culture and wealth to attempt colonization (even the Chinese Junk ships came from Malay penninsula), but the 1900s and revolutions hit them severely to come behind Zhongchow in development. But in the Age of Information they kind of are catching up to the Zhongchow states (being a trade and technological hub under a liberalized economy and government) and are now similar in terms of development. GDPpc would be between $50k to 60k.

Is that acceptable?

[Plzen]

I still want to hold Malaya and turn it into the Eastern Europe equivalent of this RP. In the sense they were a colonial power similar to Zhongchow states in the Age of Discovery - considering Malaya has the maritime culture and wealth to attempt colonization (even the Chinese Junk ships came from Malay penninsula), but the 1900s and revolutions hit them severely to come behind Zhongchow in development. But in the Age of Information they kind of are catching up to the Zhongchow states (being a trade and technological hub under a liberalized economy and government) and are now similar in terms of development. GDPpc would be between $50k to 60k.

Is that acceptable?

I believe I have already said that it would not be.

Southeast Asia's story in this RP is more a story of falling behind than of catching up - until 50 or 100 years ago the countries in the region unambiguously belonged to the set of developed nations alongside coastal East Asia and the western Americas, but it had serious governance and rule of law problems that led to the region falling more and more behind.

The early history you've described sounds fairly acceptable, but the damage of the last 100 years will take many more decades yet to fix.

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

All righty, app is mostly done until OP feedback on my little west-slav Thailand/Vietnam thingy.

[Plzen]

Currency: Lachic Korona
Nominal GDP: 728.4 Billion USD.
Nominal GDP/C: 7115 USD.
PPP GDP: 2.06 Trillion USD.
PPP GDP/C: 20 140 USD

This seems rather highly developed for the region. Perhaps halve the GDP?

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

All right, fixed