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by Emazia » Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:10 pm

by Dentali » Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:17 pm
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Dentali wrote:Moore shook his head, "Frankly its a fair hit on Dayton. Besides that hit doesn't hurt her nearly as much with the Black vote as you'd think. Mostly younger voters, activists, yes many people of color but mostly the woke crowd."
"As for Porter... If Wolf ran again we would be able to call on unprecedented turnout, and many republicans and moderates in the suburbs flipping... no one would stay home who stayed home in 2016. Wolf would call on plenty more turnout and have the power of the incumbency... without Wolf in the White House our party's motivation would be cut drastically. Porter... we could run that demonization campaign, show him as a bigger threat to democracy than Wolf and on top of that we would win over the reluctant Wolf voters who liked him on the economy. For all his bluster Wolf put together a coalition, got the GOP onboard, and was viewed as a moderate by independents. I don't think Porter can do the same especially when he's all about overturning gay marriage and invading Iran. On top of that Porter does not have any credibility with the African American or Hispanic working class that the GOP spent the past 4 years building for Wolf, btwn criminals justice reform, opportunity zones, the outreach... Wolf made himself incredibly visible for the African American community, and trust me it was paying off."
"I'm not saying we underestimate him... i'm saying he gives us a really good playbook for the general."
"I guess you could say I'm just getting jitters the closer the election is bearing down us. We've got a lot of good people in the House, especially the freshmen. And I don't want to lose this opportunity to take the Senate." Exhaling, Caroline shook her head. "I've been playing the worst case scenario in my head over and over."

by Gordano and Lysandus » Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:19 pm
Dentali wrote:"I remember once that Douglas told me... 'the worst case scenario in 2020 is that we only gain 10 seats in the house'... That was before Wolf announced he wasn't running, I didn't believe that then and I don't now. And I don't believe we retake the Senate, even with Porter running against us.... You're right to expect and prepare for the worst."

by Dentali » Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:53 pm
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Dentali wrote:"I remember once that Douglas told me... 'the worst case scenario in 2020 is that we only gain 10 seats in the house'... That was before Wolf announced he wasn't running, I didn't believe that then and I don't now. And I don't believe we retake the Senate, even with Porter running against us.... You're right to expect and prepare for the worst."
"There's inevitably going to be a point where we have a presumptive nominee, and me, and Karel, and Clara, and Vice President Diehl are going to have to sit Jillian or Levi down to give them hard talk about their campaigns. What are they doing most wrong out there, James?"

by Gordano and Lysandus » Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:59 pm
Dentali wrote:"Look I know Michigan, I know African Americans... African Americans turn out when the nominee 'gets it', understands them... When I endorsed Dayton I said exactly what she needs to act like and do in order to get African Americans to turn out. But it takes time, it takes building relationships... it takes a long time."
"As for Michigan... don't let them come out against fracking, make sure to support domestic industries and the auto industry... Go more protectionist on trade and China. But frankly i don't think we'd lose Michigan this time around. Make sure the have a 'sista soulja' moment with the far left of the party."

by Dentali » Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:20 pm
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Dentali wrote:"Look I know Michigan, I know African Americans... African Americans turn out when the nominee 'gets it', understands them... When I endorsed Dayton I said exactly what she needs to act like and do in order to get African Americans to turn out. But it takes time, it takes building relationships... it takes a long time."
"As for Michigan... don't let them come out against fracking, make sure to support domestic industries and the auto industry... Go more protectionist on trade and China. But frankly i don't think we'd lose Michigan this time around. Make sure the have a 'sista soulja' moment with the far left of the party."
"Well, that's the thing. Is Dayton 'getting' it? Is she visiting the churches? Is she talking to the civil rights leaders? I don't think she's doing as much as she could, and that's got me on edge." Humming a little, she poured herself some water and took a sip. "I'll try to hold them in on fracking but when Murphy takes the Sunrise Movement seriously, that's fucking difficult." She pinched the bridge of her nose, humming a little. "Both candidates seem to be pretty protectionist on trade but then I worry whether Dayton doubling down on that might make her vulnerable in the suburbs versus Richardson." She took another large sip of water. "And then there's the Donaldson problem."

by Gordano and Lysandus » Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:22 pm
Dentali wrote:"Suburbs don't care about trade enough to make it matter.... Dayton is doing better but... no i don't think she's there yet, she's just better than Murphy. She needs to focus on a working class economic message specifically for african americans.... In general the Party is an incredibly broad coalition of groups that all want contradictory things. You can't make everyone happy, something has got to give."
"Which Donaldson problem did you mean?"

by Bruke » Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:05 pm
Azekopolaltion wrote:Bruke wrote:
“Originally, I wanted to have the bill finalized and ready for a vote by April. However, if some recent tweets are to be believed, our Senate candidate in Ohio is open to joining a lawsuit by North Dakota to break up Google. Normally I wouldn’t put much stock in… Twitter pontificatin’... but Vichter’s our man in a key race and Burgun’s an icon among the so-called populist Republicans.”
Karel sipped some water before continuing.
“I’d like you to meet with Levi as soon as possible and discuss if there are other cases you can codify… I’ve only scratched the surface of all the case law that’s built up over the years, and I’m sure there are cases that pack more of a punch, if you get what I’m saying. The Speaker’s given her support… this is definitely going to the top of the docket.”
"Excellent. I'll be sure to schedule a meeting with the man, then...once he shows up back in Washington, of course. The race is heating up though, so who knows when he'll show. In the meantime, I'll have my team research various antitrust cases and see what we can dig up."
"Is there anything else you were hoping to discuss?"

by Dentali » Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:29 pm
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Dentali wrote:"Suburbs don't care about trade enough to make it matter.... Dayton is doing better but... no i don't think she's there yet, she's just better than Murphy. She needs to focus on a working class economic message specifically for african americans.... In general the Party is an incredibly broad coalition of groups that all want contradictory things. You can't make everyone happy, something has got to give."
"Which Donaldson problem did you mean?"
"We need African-American turnout to be up if we're going to rake back the Midwest..." She exhales, shaking her head. "Is Ohio a lost hope or is there really a chance there? It's been trending further right over time, I'm not sure I trust it. And as for Donaldson... I mean, in general. The fact he's a spoiler candidate in the primary and could leave us with a contested convention. The fact he's running his mistress to try to unseat me. The general disruptive effect he's having on the party which is giving Murphy a run for his money."

by Gordano and Lysandus » Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:36 pm
Dentali wrote:"The question isn't if we can win it, its what will it cost? We have an Ohio senator that should most certainly be considered for VP but that would cost a Senate seat. Dayton or Murphy could win Ohio but they would have to put in a bunch of time and money that could be spent elsewhere and perhaps more effectively. We don't NEED Ohio, as much as we need Pennsylvania for instance... and every dime we put in Ohio is one less in Pennsylvania."
"For Donaldson... his fiancé" Moore said with great annoyance "Is a BLM activist and the more contempt the party treats her with... Do you have any idea how many angry phone calls i got over those insults hurled at her by our own party?!" Moore was legitimately angry. "And frankly its was sexist, racist, and incredibly dismissive of the BLM movement. That buoyed Johnson more than anything."
by Puertollano » Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:43 pm

by Dentali » Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:44 pm
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Dentali wrote:"The question isn't if we can win it, its what will it cost? We have an Ohio senator that should most certainly be considered for VP but that would cost a Senate seat. Dayton or Murphy could win Ohio but they would have to put in a bunch of time and money that could be spent elsewhere and perhaps more effectively. We don't NEED Ohio, as much as we need Pennsylvania for instance... and every dime we put in Ohio is one less in Pennsylvania."
"For Donaldson... his fiancé" Moore said with great annoyance "Is a BLM activist and the more contempt the party treats her with... Do you have any idea how many angry phone calls i got over those insults hurled at her by our own party?!" Moore was legitimately angry. "And frankly its was sexist, racist, and incredibly dismissive of the BLM movement. That buoyed Johnson more than anything."
"I'll make sure we keep clear notes on resource allocation for the election fight then. Pennsylvania's indispensible." She hummed, taking a few notes down. There's a flash of surprise and just a little venom behind Caroline's eyes at Moore kicking up a frenzy over Williams, but she makes no comment on it as she goes to stand up to open the door. "I think that's all, Senator, I'll be in touch if anything comes up in the future." There was no illusion that the conversation was over - accusing the Speaker, America's second female Speaker and highest ranking woman in the Federal Government, of being party to sexism was perhaps a significant step over the line.

by Gordano and Lysandus » Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:51 pm
Dentali wrote:Moore didn't move "Those tweets from idiots all over the party attacking her and basically saying she was a bimbo who only mattered because of her relationship to a white man? That was sexist and racist garbage. She's running against you, i'm sorry but it happens. Doesn't mean what she is fighting for or what she has contributed is worthless... and frankly Madame Speaker I have spent most of my life afraid of the police, I had to give my children a talk about how to interact with police so they don't get shot." Moore had gone from frustrated to dark and serious fairly quickly, his temper flaring was a rare event.
"You want to know how to win black voters in 2020? The party needs to stop being dismissive of black movements, take BLM and activists seriously. If you don't that wipes out a massive portion of youth and African American voters because they feel the Democratic Party has contempt for them."

by Azekopolaltion » Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:45 pm
Bruke wrote:Azekopolaltion wrote:"Excellent. I'll be sure to schedule a meeting with the man, then...once he shows up back in Washington, of course. The race is heating up though, so who knows when he'll show. In the meantime, I'll have my team research various antitrust cases and see what we can dig up."
"Is there anything else you were hoping to discuss?"
“Yes, actually. I’m not going to beat around the bush here... senior Leadership in both houses of Congress have been impressed by your legislative output and willingness to work with people across ideological and partisan lines. What I’m getting at here Tim, is that... you’re a strong contender for having my job when I d-”
That was the second time he almost said the dreaded words- when I die
“When I decide to retire.”

by Bruke » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:19 pm
Azekopolaltion wrote:Bruke wrote:
“Yes, actually. I’m not going to beat around the bush here... senior Leadership in both houses of Congress have been impressed by your legislative output and willingness to work with people across ideological and partisan lines. What I’m getting at here Tim, is that... you’re a strong contender for having my job when I d-”
That was the second time he almost said the dreaded words- when I die
“When I decide to retire.”
Tim was absolutely silent as he heard Karel’s words. He was shocked, to say the least. Leader of the Democratic Senate caucus? It was a job he could only dream of – and it had seemed like such a distant dream that Tim had looked outside the realms of the Senate to satisfy his future ambitions.
“Sir, I’m...honored, to put it mildly, at such a suggestion.” He really wasn’t quite sure how to respond. In recent years Senate leaders had been increasingly selected based on prior posts in the leadership. Tim had no such experience under his belt. People like Sean Kelly, or Frankie Sullivan if she won re-election, were certainly gunning for the job already. Karel was an old man, after all—it was only a matter of time before someone else ascended to de-facto leadership. And it seemed like Tim had caught the man’s eye and ear at just the right time.
“With all due respect sir, why me? What about someone else in the leadership? Or a figure more uniting than myself?”

by Gordano and Lysandus » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:24 pm
Dr. Katherine Edwards
@GeorgiaKathyE
So, I guess Senator Murphy's on board with expanding mass government surveillance then? As if there was any illusion left that the Democrats weren't hijacked by communism. #DemDebate

by Federal States of Xathuecia » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:03 pm
FROM: [Martin Spellman]
TO: [Levi Murphy]
Subject: [Trading Points]
Hello Levi,
I hope you are doing well. I'd like to ask if you have considered changing your mind regarding your support for Tracey Williams. While we are both certainly focused on our own individual races, yours for President and mine for Senate, I think it remains a concern. I had decided to only marginally involve myself with that particular House primary given comments made by Sen. Moore and others the first time. But her recent direct attack on me, while unlikely to change anything, is not something I take kind to and I know it only reveals she is getting more bold and willing to pick a fight.
I have been a staunch supporter of yours Levi and as you've seen, I'm willing to go toe-to-toe with Sen. Dayton and others, to advocate your points and messaging. I hope this means something and together we can act to at least quiet Ms. Williams to keep her focused on not attacking other progressives. Otherwise, I'm not entirely sure what my place could be in a campaign that is divided in itself. Let me know your thoughts and best of luck at the debate. You'll certainly do well.
P.S. Good job in Nevada, you did spectacularly.
Best wishes,
--
Marty
by Puertollano » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:18 pm
Federal States of Xathuecia wrote:FROM: [Martin Spellman]
TO: [Levi Murphy]
Subject: [Trading Points]
Hello Levi,
I hope you are doing well. I'd like to ask if you have considered changing your mind regarding your support for Tracey Williams. While we are both certainly focused on our own individual races, yours for President and mine for Senate, I think it remains a concern. I had decided to only marginally involve myself with that particular House primary given comments made by Sen. Moore and others the first time. But her recent direct attack on me, while unlikely to change anything, is not something I take kind to and I know it only reveals she is getting more bold and willing to pick a fight.
I have been a staunch supporter of yours Levi and as you've seen, I'm willing to go toe-to-toe with Sen. Dayton and others, to advocate your points and messaging. I hope this means something and together we can act to at least quiet Ms. Williams to keep her focused on not attacking other progressives. Otherwise, I'm not entirely sure what my place could be in a campaign that is divided in itself. Let me know your thoughts and best of luck at the debate. You'll certainly do well.
P.S. Good job in Nevada, you did spectacularly.
Best wishes,
--
Marty
TO: Martin Spellman
FROM: Levi Murphy
Hi Martin, thanks for reaching out.
Tracey Williams is in no way connected to our presidential campaign, she has refused to endorse me for President. You, on the other hand, are a true supporter of the campaign and our movement. Her attacks on you were both unfounded and destructive. That being said, I do not think it is strategically wise to publicly denounce her by withdrawing my endorsement. I do not intend to publicly express support or campaign for her in the future.
Thanks,
Levi.

by Federal States of Xathuecia » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:27 pm

by Azekopolaltion » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:31 pm
Bruke wrote:Azekopolaltion wrote:Tim was absolutely silent as he heard Karel’s words. He was shocked, to say the least. Leader of the Democratic Senate caucus? It was a job he could only dream of – and it had seemed like such a distant dream that Tim had looked outside the realms of the Senate to satisfy his future ambitions.
“Sir, I’m...honored, to put it mildly, at such a suggestion.” He really wasn’t quite sure how to respond. In recent years Senate leaders had been increasingly selected based on prior posts in the leadership. Tim had no such experience under his belt. People like Sean Kelly, or Frankie Sullivan if she won re-election, were certainly gunning for the job already. Karel was an old man, after all—it was only a matter of time before someone else ascended to de-facto leadership. And it seemed like Tim had caught the man’s eye and ear at just the right time.
“With all due respect sir, why me? What about someone else in the leadership? Or a figure more uniting than myself?”
“That’s just it, Tim. Your qualities are what make you a good fit for the job. The other options for leadership have their own strengths and weaknesses. Kelly’s a decent fit, but I don’t think his foreign policy views would endear him to the progressive wing. Picking Sullivan.. well, frankly, her seat is too vulnerable for that. Moore would have the same issue. Goldman... again, foreign policy would be a sticking point. But you... you’re from a safe seat, you have an excellent relationship with the Speaker, and you’re able to bridge the divide between the different factions of the Caucus. You know, I happened to catch your radio interview, and I picked up on something. You described yourself as uninterested in ideological battles. You’re practical, and I like that. We need someone in leadership who’s practical, instead of an ideologue. That’s how you’ll unite the Caucus, I think. By being practical. Knowing who to work with, and when to work with them.”
by Puertollano » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:31 pm
Federal States of Xathuecia wrote: "You will have my support every step of the way. I trust that if you do win though, that my support will also translate to having your ear for important discussions. You certainly have reason to be disillusioned by Simone and Volek but one of my asks, and I say this genuinely, is that you extend an olive branch to our leadership come your victory so that we can work together."
Diehl nodded as he spoke.
"The primaries will likely be over by then and we need to reset and focus on the general election. Infighting, as righteous as it is, and trust me, having fought segregationist Democrats, I know the feeling, but we have opponents who will seek to use our division. Already Governor Burgun, as wild and wild as he is, him and others already are trying to inflate our primary's exchange of ideas into some sort of radical division that will cost our candidate the election. We cannot let that happen. Plain and simple."
There was a brief silence before Vinnie went on.
"I know you can lead this party Levi, you can lead us to new heights. And I think there will come a moment for you to show us your leadership, not through abrasive swipes but by binding us together. As one party, diverse as this nation but as unified as we can be in moving this country forward."

by Federal States of Xathuecia » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:35 pm
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Francine Sullivan
@AlaskanAstronaut
Any anti-capitalist rhetoric by members of my own party are not views I share. American industries that hire hard-working Alaskans and help families put food on the table will always have an opportunity to discuss with me how we can create more jobs and make sure more Alaskans have a chance to make their own livelihoods.

by Federal States of Xathuecia » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:42 pm
by Puertollano » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:49 pm
Federal States of Xathuecia wrote: "You leave it to me to keep the loud ones quiet and any defectors gone. As long as you keep things cordial, I don't think I will be alone in helping turn the minds of leadership to stand by you and keep fighting for your agenda. The biggest test though will not be during the general election, that we can control and mitigate, but after, that should be our concern."
Vinnie used his hands, gesturing a bit wildly to explain.
"If you win but fail to shore up a strong Senate minority or even a majority or end up facing unexpected losses in the House or the loss of Democratic control even, there will be very little leadership can do to restore faith in a potential Murphy presidency among our rank and file. I trust you know that and I think that strategizing how you defend the House majority and mitigate any Senate losses or win the chamber altogether ought to be a top priority for your campaign from now until it's all over. We cannot afford to start this planning come the DNC."

by Bruke » Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:50 pm
Azekopolaltion wrote:Bruke wrote:
“That’s just it, Tim. Your qualities are what make you a good fit for the job. The other options for leadership have their own strengths and weaknesses. Kelly’s a decent fit, but I don’t think his foreign policy views would endear him to the progressive wing. Picking Sullivan.. well, frankly, her seat is too vulnerable for that. Moore would have the same issue. Goldman... again, foreign policy would be a sticking point. But you... you’re from a safe seat, you have an excellent relationship with the Speaker, and you’re able to bridge the divide between the different factions of the Caucus. You know, I happened to catch your radio interview, and I picked up on something. You described yourself as uninterested in ideological battles. You’re practical, and I like that. We need someone in leadership who’s practical, instead of an ideologue. That’s how you’ll unite the Caucus, I think. By being practical. Knowing who to work with, and when to work with them.”
"Well, I'm honored Senator, but I must admit, it's not a post I'd ever considered before. And of course you are still working in full force, I have no reason to believe you'll be gone anytime soon...unless you are planning retirement? Either way, this is a proposition I will have to give deep thought to."
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