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by Greenwichian Arcadia » Fri May 29, 2020 1:31 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Fri May 29, 2020 1:40 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Fri May 29, 2020 1:42 pm
Greenwichian Arcadia wrote:Country Name: North American Technate
Reason for Playing Nation: Technocracy sounds fine, and I feel somewhat more confident about it. I may post not quite frequently, however, with active time around 6pm UTC.
by HypErcApitAl » Fri May 29, 2020 2:12 pm
by HypErcApitAl » Fri May 29, 2020 2:57 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Fri May 29, 2020 3:17 pm
Hypercapital wrote:Exalted Inquellian State wrote:So are you interested in playing as them?
Maybe. Ideologies seem simplified (like Technocracy. It has Futurism, Accelerationism and other ideologies within it, and also Anarcho-Transhumanism. There's no explanation for what happened to Huey P. Long and Longism or Anocracy/Authoritarian Democracy. Also, wouldn't Islam ((Sunni/Shia/Wahhabi)) be the fourth alliance?))) though.
Technocratic Republicanism (the ideology that The Levant is) is interesting, also toying around with Einstein being Jewish and the overwhelmingly-Islamic influence in the Mideast makes a good dynamic. Also, because of the Theory-of-Relativity, I could also see Einstein taking subjectivist/relativist views (kinda like IngSoc, sorta) which is also neat. It'd also be cool to support Technocratic Egypt, and also the dynamic between The Levant and Communist Lebanon.
I know this response makes me sound like some sorta English teacher (lmao), and you were probably going w/ a more simplistic view of Theocratic Imperialism (Japan and the Asian Co-prosperity Sphere) versus Pure Technocracy (Oceania ((I call them "Oceania" because America + the British Isles also reminds me alot of 1984.))) versus Communist-Socialism, but Ideology's far more complicated than that. There's so many different kinds of Communism,Socialism and Anarchism that it'd kinda be hard to place them all together (although Technocracy and Communist-Socialism are ideologically enemies), and also Japan's sphere being religiously split. (I dunno what direction/road/route you took w/ Tibet. Tibet always was kinda Imperialist and Theocratic, so I guess it works, but it's still kinda weird.) There'd also be alot of Chinese hating Japanese peoples, and also Koreans and Formosans/Cantonese (although Cantonese are Chinese but still) having this rivalry/hatred.
The Technate controlling Quebec makes sense, but also doesn't (Quebecer Nationalism/Separatism, also account for Quebec wanting to leave Canada in the 90s), I guess the Northamericans have found a way to remove all of those troubles with Ethnicity (like the Mexicans being split, since Spain made a ethnic Caste System back when Mexico and the rest of Mesoamerica were colonized under "New Spain." Also the "First Nations" or Tribal Nations in the US and Canada.) afterall, though.
TL;DR/Condensed version: Yup, I do wanna play. Ideology, Religion, and Ethnicity aren't taken in account, though.
by HypErcApitAl » Fri May 29, 2020 3:27 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Hypercapital wrote:
Maybe. Ideologies seem simplified (like Technocracy. It has Futurism, Accelerationism and other ideologies within it, and also Anarcho-Transhumanism. There's no explanation for what happened to Huey P. Long and Longism or Anocracy/Authoritarian Democracy. Also, wouldn't Islam ((Sunni/Shia/Wahhabi)) be the fourth alliance?))) though.
Technocratic Republicanism (the ideology that The Levant is) is interesting, also toying around with Einstein being Jewish and the overwhelmingly-Islamic influence in the Mideast makes a good dynamic. Also, because of the Theory-of-Relativity, I could also see Einstein taking subjectivist/relativist views (kinda like IngSoc, sorta) which is also neat. It'd also be cool to support Technocratic Egypt, and also the dynamic between The Levant and Communist Lebanon.
I know this response makes me sound like some sorta English teacher (lmao), and you were probably going w/ a more simplistic view of Theocratic Imperialism (Japan and the Asian Co-prosperity Sphere) versus Pure Technocracy (Oceania ((I call them "Oceania" because America + the British Isles also reminds me alot of 1984.))) versus Communist-Socialism, but Ideology's far more complicated than that. There's so many different kinds of Communism,Socialism and Anarchism that it'd kinda be hard to place them all together (although Technocracy and Communist-Socialism are ideologically enemies), and also Japan's sphere being religiously split. (I dunno what direction/road/route you took w/ Tibet. Tibet always was kinda Imperialist and Theocratic, so I guess it works, but it's still kinda weird.) There'd also be alot of Chinese hating Japanese peoples, and also Koreans and Formosans/Cantonese (although Cantonese are Chinese but still) having this rivalry/hatred.
The Technate controlling Quebec makes sense, but also doesn't (Quebecer Nationalism/Separatism, also account for Quebec wanting to leave Canada in the 90s), I guess the Northamericans have found a way to remove all of those troubles with Ethnicity (like the Mexicans being split, since Spain made a ethnic Caste System back when Mexico and the rest of Mesoamerica were colonized under "New Spain." Also the "First Nations" or Tribal Nations in the US and Canada.) afterall, though.
TL;DR/Condensed version: Yup, I do wanna play. Ideology, Religion, and Ethnicity aren't taken in account, though.
The reason Islam isn't a fourth side is because unlike the main three, is because they just came independent. The British Empire just collapsed a few months ago, and many critical places couldn't properly build themselves up, like Jordan or Yemen. The rest are very backwater as is, and the only ones powerful are Saudi Arabia and Iraq(who rule Syria and Kuwait through personal union and protectorate, respectively). Regarding Huey Long, I haven't thought about that yet, but either he was assassinated like in real life, or it's that due to Hoover his platform sounded like FDR and most people were tired of both parties by the mid 30's ITTL. If he's alive, he's in either Australia or South Africa. Regarding ideologies, they will have more splits, like the 1949 Technate council selection, and the thing that happened in the USSR in 1953, which will have many sub ideologies in many fields, like amount of personal liberties and militarism
About the second paragraph, the Islamic influence will be a major issue, especially if one is looking at making a Technate in the Levant or perhaps in the whole middle east. He would likely support technocratic Egypt, but it's likely he would support them and the republicans making a compromise. As for Lebanon, assuming France allows it more freedom at expense of paying tribute(Lebanon is a French protectorate under their policy of red colonialism(also, just to add about ideologies, France is basically an authoritarian socialist democracy)), it's possible for the two to have relations.
I already stated what will happen to the ideologies in the cold war. However, Japan isn't guaranteed to be Theocratic. As I said, it will be up to the player to determine what their main ruler will be. If it's Tojo, expect it to glorify the Emperor, but be a de facto military dictatorship.
As for Tibet, the only reason they are Japanese allies was because they, Xinjiang, Bhutan, Nepal, and Sikkim realized they would be annexed by one of Japans puppets if nothing was done, so they allied out of fear. In fact, the regent regrets that decision a lot for betraying the British, who helped him get an army. There is a lot of hate of the Japanese in the sphere, but their army is so powerful that it allowed them to keep them under control. Add to the fact that they mostly left their new possessions officially independent(most countries never say someone is their puppet) and they have a few foreign recruits.
For the Technate, the ruling faction doesn't care about morality. They usually kill any and all rebels in the region. Quebec never really wanted to separate, as it took a few years to get a referendum in our timeline. Add to that the fact that life in America is generally prosperous, and the Quebecois don't usually rebel. Also, Mexico around the 30's was described as being Technocratic-ish, so here they went full mode and joined America in exchange for equal rights. I believe I mentioned an alliance with Mexico and it going a technocratic route.
Well, that sums it up for now.
Edit: And alright, thanks for applying. Have fun, Einstein.
by Greenwichian Arcadia » Fri May 29, 2020 3:49 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:For the Technate, the ruling faction doesn't care about morality. They usually kill any and all rebels in the region. Quebec never really wanted to separate, as it took a few years to get a referendum in our timeline. Add to that the fact that life in America is generally prosperous, and the Quebecois don't usually rebel. Also, Mexico around the 30's was described as being Technocratic-ish, so here they went full mode and joined America in exchange for equal rights. I believe I mentioned an alliance with Mexico and it going a technocratic route.
by Exalted Inquellian State » Fri May 29, 2020 3:57 pm
Greenwichian Arcadia wrote:Exalted Inquellian State wrote:For the Technate, the ruling faction doesn't care about morality. They usually kill any and all rebels in the region. Quebec never really wanted to separate, as it took a few years to get a referendum in our timeline. Add to that the fact that life in America is generally prosperous, and the Quebecois don't usually rebel. Also, Mexico around the 30's was described as being Technocratic-ish, so here they went full mode and joined America in exchange for equal rights. I believe I mentioned an alliance with Mexico and it going a technocratic route.
Something for me to take note of.
by Exalted Inquellian State » Fri May 29, 2020 4:12 pm
by HypErcApitAl » Fri May 29, 2020 4:52 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Fri May 29, 2020 5:01 pm
Hypercapital wrote:Who controls the Suez Canal?
by HypErcApitAl » Fri May 29, 2020 5:01 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Fri May 29, 2020 5:02 pm
by HypErcApitAl » Fri May 29, 2020 5:06 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Fri May 29, 2020 5:08 pm
by HypErcApitAl » Fri May 29, 2020 5:11 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Fri May 29, 2020 5:14 pm
Hypercapital wrote:Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Their relationship is fine, since the Levant doesn't claim to be Jewish, but due to the fact they want to unite the whole ACTUAL Levant(for now), the relationship isn't completely great.
Wait, the Levant doesn't claim to be Jewish? I'm kinda confused on that one.
by HypErcApitAl » Fri May 29, 2020 5:21 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Hypercapital wrote:
Wait, the Levant doesn't claim to be Jewish? I'm kinda confused on that one.
The Levant is a neutral name. Not Arabic, not Jewish. it doesn't want to create a Jewish state. It's main goal is simply to spread technocracy, where all the ethnicities of the middle east wouldn't matter. So while it has Jewish leadership, it itself does not claim to be Jewish.
by Exalted Inquellian State » Fri May 29, 2020 5:37 pm
Hypercapital wrote:Exalted Inquellian State wrote:The Levant is a neutral name. Not Arabic, not Jewish. it doesn't want to create a Jewish state. It's main goal is simply to spread technocracy, where all the ethnicities of the middle east wouldn't matter. So while it has Jewish leadership, it itself does not claim to be Jewish.
That makes sense. "The Levant" also makes sense, but when I usually think of "The Levant," I think Syria and Iraq.
by HypErcApitAl » Fri May 29, 2020 5:59 pm
by Exalted Inquellian State » Fri May 29, 2020 6:02 pm
Hypercapital wrote:Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Alright then. When do you expect to post on the IC thread?
Making my first post rn, just needed some questions answered. Also, the religious thing makes sense, but the Mideast has generally been hostile towards Jewish and Jew-descended peoples. I'll still be secular, tho, but I felt like using Judeochristian rhetoric (de-jure, the Levant is Secular. De-facto, it's all three main religions, but the gov't uses Judeochristian rhetoric since it's linked to its past, and there'd be alot of reminders about it.)
by Exalted Inquellian State » Fri May 29, 2020 6:14 pm
by HypErcApitAl » Fri May 29, 2020 6:19 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Also, disclaimer, all countries not played by a player will be played by me when it comes to interaction, with influence from the random number generator.
by HypErcApitAl » Fri May 29, 2020 6:21 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Hypercapital wrote:
Making my first post rn, just needed some questions answered. Also, the religious thing makes sense, but the Mideast has generally been hostile towards Jewish and Jew-descended peoples. I'll still be secular, tho, but I felt like using Judeochristian rhetoric (de-jure, the Levant is Secular. De-facto, it's all three main religions, but the gov't uses Judeochristian rhetoric since it's linked to its past, and there'd be alot of reminders about it.)
Well, yeah. The Saudi's, Iraqi's, and both Persia's are the only people in the middle east who are actually fine with doing buisness with them.
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