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Postby Cylarn » Tue May 19, 2020 6:26 am

Alexandre is accepted.

C'mon, rolling for Bedards!
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Postby Of the Quendi » Tue May 19, 2020 11:07 am

Cylarn wrote:Alexandre is accepted.

C'mon, rolling for Bedards!

Could we maybe have an update of the OP to see all the characters that have been accepted?
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Postby Hastur » Tue May 19, 2020 9:29 pm

Might be an idea for the Flauberts to work out their relationships with each other.

I’ll put my characters thoughts down on each later today hopefully.

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Postby Dahyan » Tue May 19, 2020 9:42 pm

Hastur wrote:Might be an idea for the Flauberts to work out their relationships with each other.

I’ll put my characters thoughts down on each later today hopefully.
Hastur wrote:Might be an idea for the Flauberts to work out their relationships with each other.

I’ll put my characters thoughts down on each later today hopefully.


Good idea indeed. Raymond, for one, respects Old Man Faubert as some sort of an eminence grise of the community, although he is not on board with the family infighting so much. He will also probably like Alexandre for his tendency to try stay out of the more brutal parts of the Faubert family business.
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Postby Khasinkonia » Wed May 20, 2020 12:14 am

Hastur wrote:Might be an idea for the Flauberts to work out their relationships with each other.

I’ll put my characters thoughts down on each later today hopefully.

Regarding Fauberts/Faubert affiliated folks:

Thomas Switzer - Judy has a respect for him, I would say. Although the extent to which there is corruption in the police force is in some ways still a concern, the fact that there's a man in uniform who's favouring the family of her kids is definitely comforting.

Jules Faubert - I assume there would be a sort of arms-length familial affection, though I haven't seen the psych analysis or the bio enough to be certain.

Josette Faubert - Judy probably avoids conversations about Josette's past, but I could see the two woman having a friendship of sorts, as they share similar aspirations for their children.

Lucien Faubert - Judy did not care for the man, and was privately rather ambivalent about his death.

Raymond Delacroix - I imagine Judy might've recently spoken with him/plans to speak with him to get recommendations on a few guns that she could teach her oldest to use and keep locked in a safe.

Melanie Skrine - As empathetic for her situation as Judy may superficially be, there is definitely a strong part of her that wants to point out Melanie to her kids as what not to do. Melanie's story is antithetical to her dreams for her kids, essentially.

Alexandre Faubert - Husband and partner in crime, of course she loves him, even if she thinks he can be a bit of a knucklehead sometimes :p

And then, I think we've already seen the children in the bio, but here's a reminder that there's ten of them.
Juliette “Julie” Anne & Edward “Ed” Howard (July 31, 1970)
Alexandre “Junior” Beauregard Jr. (March 21, 1971)
Marjorie “Margie” Bertha (October 10, 1973)
Avalon “Lonnie” Bernadotta (September 1, 1974)
William “Will” James (October 9, 1975)
Randall “Randy” Edwin/Raymond “Ray” Joseph/Edna “Eddy” Isabella (December 24, 1976)
Mary “MarMar” Jane (December 6, 1977)

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Postby Hastur » Wed May 20, 2020 5:34 am

In terms of Daniele Faubert's opinions, here is what I think so far. I'm open to suggestions or fixes if y'all disagree or just have better ideas with points or aspects, this is just from me skimming the applications again and basing it on what I think the character would know from coming back in the last three years.

I don't think I've missed anyone but If I have just send me a TG and I'll add the character to the list. I might come back and add the Bedards later.

Thomas Switzer - Dani has a natural dislike of police, and by extension she harbours some same feelings towards him, despite the fact he is paid off. She's probably not fully aware of the cognitive dissonance he's going through, what she does know is that he could very easily pick her up and put her away for a long time thanks to her being a felon within the Louisiana justice system. She'll never trust him because of this, no matter how positive of a relationship that gets fostered. Dani probably attempts to be civil and polite with him for obvious reasons, but it'd be abundantly clear that she doesn't like him, that doesn't mean she wishes him any harm either, she just generally thinks that he should be kept well clear of things.

Jules Faubert - Dani probably has a complicated relationship with Jules which hinges on Patty Faubert and the events surrounding her amputations. With Dani probably feeling that he didn't do enough during the entire situation from start, with the injuring of Lily Anne, to finish, with the aftermath of the amputations. She blames him the third most out of all the parties, behind Roland and herself rather selfishly. While I can't elaborate too much until the rest of his app is posted, Daniele would however keep these opinions to herself and would treat him with a lot of respect due to the fact that the man is ninety-one, generally doing whatever he asks so long as it doesn't conflict with her own code.

Coraline Josette Faubert - Probably clashes a little over the traditional values with Dani being kept at an arm's length due to her being a more overt blue collar criminal, but Dani at least has no real issue with her and likely doesn't know much about her past outside small titbits and rumours. She probably attempts to maintain at least a cordial relationship as she likely relies on places like the Cajun Queen and Tribal casino to lander her ill-gotten gains, since Dani doesn't have the knowledge or education to pull off laundering herself through structuring or cash incentive business.

Raymond Delacroix - while not blood, Dani trusts him enough to use his services despite having her own contacts. Having used him to get arms within the last two years for robberies whenever she needs heavy firepower for intimidation and self-defence, being partial to sub guns and AKs, particularly those with the folding stocks. Treats him with a little more respect and is a bit more cautious to make sarcastic pokes at him due to his reputation for anger issues, being a little intimidated by that, and as a result she'll never be caught without a gun around him.

Melanie Skrine - Due to similar ages Mel and Dani probably knew each other back in their teenage years since the character moved back when they were sixteen, It probably would have been brief, since Dani dropped out of high school and got sent up state at eighteen to serve time. Whether they were briefly involved in crime together is up in the air. Dani probably likes Mel to an extent since she's even-handed and cordial, and respects a lot of her opinions and moral standing despite Dani likely conflicting with that thanks to her violent streak.

Judith Anne Faubert - depends on how much interaction Dani and Judith have had. Dani is likely aware that money is an issue within their household due to the large family, and probably considers her more of a civilian than an associate since her involvement with the criminal side is more or less relegated to selling weed in Tupperware containers. I'd say since Dani doesn't really care too much about money herself and had a bad childhood she'd probably quietly give away some of her ill-gotten gains. Mostly the laundered money from the hijacking racket and the occasional bigger pay out from the armed robbery to Judith to help with the kids, it probably would help but not be enough so not to conflict with your character points. If she does this frequently and directly, around Judith and Alex's kids would probably be one of the few places where she doesn't carry her gun on her person.

Alexandre Faubert - Definitely aware that his participation in the family business is done out of necessity rather than want. Dani probably tries to keep him at an arms' length with any work that gets tossed his way but overall wants to help, and if asked will usually give out something out that's low risk in relation to the racket she runs. Personal interactions depends on the amount of interaction they've had, but I'd say that Dani is less trusting of him than Judith, but gives him more of the benefit of the doubt than most others she doesn't trust. The things stated above for Judith would likely apply to Alex, barring the civilian part, with Dani probably considering him more involved than Judith.
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Postby Of the Quendi » Wed May 20, 2020 11:14 am

To help myself keep track of the family relations of the Fauberts I have made an unofficial and unfinished family tree. If I have gotten anything wrong please let me know.
Faubert family tree

  • Etienne Faubert (1858 - 1921)
    by his wife Delphine Faubert (1865 - 1919)
    • Germaine Faubert (1886 - 1919)
    • Jules Faubert (1889 - )
    • Claude Faubert (1891 -1931)
      by his wife N/A (? - ?)
      • Quentin Faubert (? - ?)
        by his wife Sandra Ledoux (? - ?)
      • Adeline Faubert (? - ?)
        by her husband Terry Skrine (? - ?)
      • Remy Faubert (? - ?)
        by his wife N/A (? - ?)
        • Alexandre Beauregarde Faubert (1947 - )
          by his wife Judith Anne Faubert, née Fahey (1948 -)
          • Juliette "Julie" Anne Faubert (1970 -)
          • Edward "Ed" Howard Faubert (1970 -)
          • Alexandre "Junior" Beauregard Faubert Jr. (1971 -)
          • Marjorie "Margie" Bertha Faubert (1973 -)
          • Avalon "Lonnie" Bernadotte Faubert (1974 -)
          • William "Will" James Faubert (1975 -)
          • Randall "Randy" Edwin Faubert (1976 -)
          • Raymond "Ray" Joseph Faubert (1976 -)
          • Edna "Eddy" Isabella Faubert (1976 -)
          • Mary "MarMar" Jane Faubert (1977 -)
    • Rosaire "Ross" Faubert (1895 - 1931)
      children and grandchildren
    • Lucien Faubert (1898 - 1974)
      by his wife N/A (1900s - )


Hastur wrote:Might be an idea for the Flauberts to work out their relationships with each other.

I’ll put my characters thoughts down on each later today hopefully.

Good idea. I will try to write some stuff on how Joe thinks about her family tomorrow.
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Postby Hastur » Wed May 20, 2020 11:39 am

Of the Quendi wrote:To help myself keep track of the family relations of the Fauberts I have made an unofficial and unfinished family tree. If I have gotten anything wrong please let me know.
Faubert family tree

  • Etienne Faubert (1858 - 1921)
    by his wife Delphine Faubert (1865 - 1919)
    • Germaine Faubert (1886 - 1919)
    • Jules Faubert (1889 - )
    • Claude Faubert (1891 -1931)
      by his wife N/A (? - ?)
      • Quentin Faubert (? - ?)
        by his wife Sandra Ledoux (? - ?)
      • Adeline Faubert (? - ?)
        by her husband Terry Skrine (? - ?)
      • Remy Faubert (? - ?)
        by his wife N/A (? - ?)
        • Alexandre Beauregarde Faubert (1947 - )
          by his wife Judith Anne Faubert, née Fahey (1948 -)
          • Juliette "Julie" Anne Faubert (1970 -)
          • Edward "Ed" Howard Faubert (1970 -)
          • Alexandre "Junior" Beauregard Faubert Jr. (1971 -)
          • Marjorie "Margie" Bertha Faubert (1973 -)
          • Avalon "Lonnie" Bernadotte Faubert (1974 -)
          • William "Will" James Faubert (1975 -)
          • Randall "Randy" Edwin Faubert (1976 -)
          • Raymond "Ray" Joseph Faubert (1976 -)
          • Edna "Eddy" Isabella Faubert (1976 -)
          • Mary "MarMar" Jane Faubert (1977 -)
    • Rosaire "Ross" Faubert (1895 - 1931)
      children and grandchildren
    • Lucien Faubert (1898 - 1974)
      by his wife N/A (1900s - )


Hastur wrote:Might be an idea for the Flauberts to work out their relationships with each other.

I’ll put my characters thoughts down on each later today hopefully.

Good idea. I will try to write some stuff on how Joe thinks about her family tomorrow.

Like it so far. Very good work.

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Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Wed May 20, 2020 11:45 am

Hastur, I read how Dani would dislike my character because obviously he's police, but I'm confused what you mean that he could simply pick her up and put her away because she's a felon. Is she going to start out with active warrants or something? If not there's not something likely we could do anyway, but as I said although there is dissonance going on Switzer is going to stay clear and proper under at least those who are directly related to Jules. Those of family who are kinda rivaling or should I say in disagreement with Jules as we've identified there is some tension within the family, well those are potentially another matter entirely lol.

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Postby Of the Quendi » Wed May 20, 2020 11:56 am

Hastur wrote:Like it so far. Very good work.

Thank you. Let me know if you want any years of birth (and death) for Quentin Faubert, Sandra Ledoux or William Faubert added. Or if all of y'all Claudian Fauberts decide on a name for your grandmother.
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Postby Hastur » Wed May 20, 2020 12:03 pm

The vaktovian empire wrote:Hastur, I read how Dani would dislike my character because obviously he's police, but I'm confused what you mean that he could simply pick her up and put her away because she's a felon. Is she going to start out with active warrants or something? If not there's not something likely we could do anyway, but as I said although there is dissonance going on Switzer is going to stay clear and proper under at least those who are directly related to Jules. Those of family who are kinda rivaling or should I say in disagreement with Jules as we've identified there is some tension within the family, well those are potentially another matter entirely lol.


Dani is a convicted felon and carries a firearm nearly everywhere she goes. If she gets arrested while carrying and if she gets convicted, she's going to be imprisoned for anywhere between five to twenty years hard labour, without the benefit of probation, parole or suspension of sentence. The Louisiana justice system does not mess around and Dani doesn't want to go to state prison again, hence the inherent distrust since the Switzer and all other cops have the ability to effectively ruin her life at any point by simply pulling her over and searching her.

Now I'm aware the Switzer is going to stay clear of those related to Jules and is probably never going to do what I've mentioned, but Dani who isn't the most rational person and dislikes most cops would still have that level of paranoia and distrust I think. If that makes sense.
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Postby Bingellia » Wed May 20, 2020 6:31 pm

Alex's relationship with most of the Faubert associated cast is probably quite complicated.

Thomas Switzer: Much like Judy, there's respect and a sense of comfort that there is at least one cop in the two jurisdictions that isn't quite so crooked as the rest and not gunning for him or his family at the moment. Personality-wise, I can also see the two getting along well. There's also the possibility for a lot of empathy between the pair. They are both veterans who had some of their idealism shattered by the war, even if Alexandre may have killed more, and turned away from their morals because of the situation they've been forced into.

Jules Faubert: Alexandre and Jules are probably rather distant from one another. There may be respect due to age and experience, but I don't see their personalities meshing well together to facilitate being warm with one another, especially with the generational and age differences between the two. Not to mention that Jules represents part of what Alexandre has tried to keep himself far from for the majority of his adult life.

Cora Faubert: The fact that she works in a semi-legitimate nature makes her less likely to be quietly disdained by Alexandre compared to the rest of her kin, so Alexandre is happier to take whatever odd-jobs she can offer him. Her son is probably a point of contention between the two and reminds Alexandre of what he's trying to prevent with his own children, but he'd be sympathetic to her past, particularly of her abusive marriage. However, this likely isn't often brought up when and if the two speak to one another. Unlike many of the other Fauberts proper, Alexandre would trust her with the kids to some degree and is likely polite with her on account of her (possible) friendship with Judy.

Raymond Delacroix: Alexandre may see Raymond as a deserter and a brash, hotheaded bayou rat directly involved in the rot of the Palmyra, but he is at least honest about it. It's that honesty that Alexandre values, but Raymond's abilities to get his things in and out of Palmyra always helps. Alexandre does own three firearms. Two of which, a Colt 1911 and a Ruger Mini-14, have been legally acquired, but Alexandre purchased a snubnosed Smith and Wesson Model 36 from Raymond once he started getting more involved in the Faubert's businesses. Raymond is Alexandre's first source of ammo these days. Apart from business, Alexandre is friendlier with Raymond than you'd expect, having occasionally hunted before Raymond's draft, but Alexandre's increasingly tight financial situation after Raymond's return put an end to that.

Melenie Skrine: Alexandre was likely one of the few Fauberts who didn't ostracise his aunt and his younger cousin before the former's death to cancer, but there was little he could have done given that he beginning to start his large family when Aunt Adeline passed. He can't exactly blame Melenie for getting involved in crime, but he can see that she hates the feud at least as much as he does. He would, however, try to get her off the warpath for revenge if he knew. Alex, perhaps naively, does believe that Melenie stands a chance of getting away from it all and going legitimate. Another one of the few Fauberts that Alexandre isn't wary about getting near his kids.

Daniele Faubert: He certainly sympathizes with Daniele, on account of both of their fathers, and does appreciate what work she spares him when asked, even if he isn't her first choice. Compared to Melenie, Alex is more cynical about the Daniele, and tries to keep her way from the kids on account of getting into crime so early in to life.
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Postby Cylarn » Thu May 21, 2020 5:18 am

Got the roster updated. Working on the IC as we speak.
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Postby Of the Quendi » Thu May 21, 2020 8:32 am

"My family? Why I love all of my family, even the ones I don't like. Especially the ones I don't like!"
- Coraline Jo on family




Coraline Josette Faubert on:

Lucien Faubert
"Dear papa? Well he was my father was he not? ... No I do not wish to talk of it. It is too painful."

Michael LeBlanc
"My husband? ... The less said the better."

Jules Faubert
"Uncle Jules is ... Well he is my uncle. Blood is thicker than water, no? He may not be the most virtuous of men, but he is still my uncle, the brother of my father and as such due some respect. He has made many decisions in his life, decisions that has affected me and others, which I don't agree with. But he is a man of a different time. Whatever my differences with him he has kept our family safe as best he could, and I worry for the day when he is no longer with us, what will become of the family then. Mostly I worry about an old man, all alone up in that big house, with only some staff, but no family. I check in frequently, keep the staff in check (I don't think uncle Jules know how one makes sure the maid properly cleans the house), look after my uncle a bit. As a good niece should."

The Faubert family business
"Ah, the business. Well I ran away from it at seventeen didn't I? It may have not been the only reason but it was a big one. The main one in fact. I don't think I consciously realized that at the time but as I have grown older and begun to reexamine the decisions I have made in my life it is clear that I did not simply leave papa and mama; I left the "business". What is the business you may ask. Moonshine and marijuana, illicit gambling, smuggling and petty criminality. Sometimes not so petty criminality. I can understand, if not accept, that uncle Jules involved himself in such things. A veteran of the "Great War", as the men of his generation called it until there came a greater one, who lived through prohibition what could have been more natural to compensate for falling timber revenues by bootlegging and home brewing means. It paid for my upbringing and my education such as it is, so I suppose I should not be too quick to judge. But that was then, this is now. The old days when it was easy and profitable to do ... Well whatever it is my family does, are over. I saw it in Vegas. The RICO Act and the increased focus of the authorities has render such work too dangerous. The family needs to move with the times. I put my inheritance from my husband in legal gambling. It works. It makes a decent profit without the money laundering. Thats where the family should be going. Clean up the Tiger Club, make it an above the board bar. Invest in legitimate business enterprises. We should put the criminality and all the woe it has brought us behind us. The next generation of Fauberts deserve to be rid of all this baggage."

Roland Bedard
"Roland Bedard. He is not a man, he is evil made flesh. A fiendish creature as loathsome as any I have ever known, and I have known some characters in my life. None like him. I am a good christian and I have no hate in my heart for anyone; but when the day come and God delivers man from this scourge I shall weep with tears of joy and give thanks to the almighty for ridding the world of this monster and putting an end to my nightmares."

Other Bedards
"Well they are not kin are they? And any group of people who allows themselves to be lead by the like of Roland can hardly be considered good can they? Still I do not claim that my own family is blameless in the feud, nor can I hate another person simply because of their surname."

Thomas Switzer
"Who? Oh, that handsome officer. Yes, I have seen him at church. Regularly. A good man I am sure. Not that I have had any dealings with him mind you. I am no criminal after all, and when there are troubles at "the Queen" I don't usually call the police, if you know what I mean. But maybe if I was twenty years younger I would have some cause to know the good sergeant huh?"

Raymond Delacroix
"Another church going man. I care rather less for him than for officer Switzer though. A gun runner with a checkered past, or so I gather. Works for uncle Jules. Not necessarily a point in the man's favor. A good christian shouldn't judge but I wasn't always good and Delacroix has much to be judged for it seems. I wouldn't want to welcome him in mama's house. Still he has apparently tended to some ... problems on "the Queen" and done so ably. I must respect that, and when uncle Jules die my personal misgivings aside people like Delacroix might be vital to keep my family safe from Roland and his ilk."

Melanie Skrine
"Oh that poor girl. Such a tragic life. My cousin Adeline was a wonderful person, very dear to me. And Terry, a fine man, a very fine man. I wept when I heard what had happened. Would have come home for the funeral but it was right around the time my son was born and LeBlanc wouldn't hear of it. After Adeline died the girl has been adrift. Mine own cousin, a common thief, it breaks my heart. She tells me she is a waitress but I know more about my family's affairs then most of them realize. And a lot more than I care too. Adaline's daughter a petty criminal. Now you understand why I want the family to change. If it was only our menfolk and if it was only booze. But now we have girls working as thieves. I am just glad that Adaline isn't alive to see it. I don't blame poor Melanie of course. She has needed positive role models in her life and I blame uncle Jules for allowing her to be part of the business. I know Adaline wanted her daughter to go to school. University of Portland or some such. After Adaline died I offered to help make it happen but Melanie brushed it off. I have tried to look after her but she alas she is a willful child set in her criminal ways. I pray for her."

Daniele Faubert
"Another delinquent. Another tragedy. What can I say. ... In my day ... No I don't want to sound like some old crone nostalgically reminiscing. ... But in my day we the girls didn't get involved in that sort of sordid affairs. The man went out and did whatever they did and when they came home they left the work at the doorstep. Or tried to anyway. Why are my grand nieces and female cousins being dragged into all of this criminality. It is intolerable. I will put a stop to it. Both Daniele and Melanie will become law-abiding citizens or my name isn't Coraline Josette Faubert LeBlanc. But Daniele seems determined to further the old family feud and sink deeper and deeper into criminality. She will be a tough nut to crack."

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+++Name: Germaine Pierre Edwards; "Jay" "J.J" "Maine"
+++Age: Twenty-Two, DOB: July 29th, 1957
+++Gender: Male
+++Physical appearance: 6'0" 192 lbs | Slender build, somewhat muscular
+++Identifying Marks: (Mostly optional if you have a picture, but describe anything hidden in the image, like tattoos)

+++Ethnicity: Mother: 4th generation New Orleans Frenchwoman, Father 5th generation African American, family originally from Georgia
+++Religion: Southern Baptist
+++Birthplace: North Palmyra
+++Criminal History: None
+++Military History: None, took a deferment due to attending college at the time of the Vietnam War

+++Psychological analysis:
"I can't say that it's ever really been easy for me. You grow up as a mixed race kid, and people are always going to judge you. You aren't black, but you aren't white. Some will flat out accept you, and some will flat out deny you, sometimes deny you the right to even feel like an actual human being. All I can say is, after experiencing such trauma growing up, I definely have some form of whatever it is there they say guys are coming back from Nam, 'PTSD'? I was a scrawny, string bean growing up, until as I got older I learned how to properly workout and poppa took an interest in teaching me the right way to handle myself against the bullies.

Aside from that, I can't say my family life contirbuted poorly to the dissapointing state of mind and energy I sometimes find myself in. My parents were the most loving and calming, cooling people out there. I would come home from rough days at school, especially in the later grades of elementary school when we were all getting older and there were more 'technological savy' ways to flat out rain on my parade, and momma would always have fixed me something good to eat.

The love and affection I got from my parents sometimes got me picked on even more. In secondary school a lot of the guys on the football team tried to tell me I lived a "sheltered" life because of my parents. That did't help either. The worst part is I ended up working in North Palmyra, the exact same place I had seen all of these guys in school for the past twelve grades.

Now, as I continue my life as a police officer in North Palmyra, the bullying and the harsh judgement hasn't necessarily stopped. It certainly helps when you've got a badge. Some people who would've previously judged you look up to you for being a public servant. Others judge you more, cause in their eyes, some of them radical eyes, you're performing white mens' work.

Corruption in North Palmyra has been well known since before my time. Poppa can remember back when he had first taken the job at the the Faubert Timber Company that the families had been trading hands in corruption. It's just a well known fact at this point. It impacts everyone and everything.

Like Sergeant Switzer, we both have police backgrounds and educations prior to having been employed in North Palmyra. Although Sergeant Switzer has a far more decorated background than mine. He was a military cop, and a cop in New Orleans as a Sheriff's Deputy. Now he's the supervisor for all three of us regular officers, although the night patrolman we rarely see, he keeps to himself and never wants to switch that shift unless he's sick or dead. Sergeant Switzer I'm sure is aware I play my hand in the corruption as much as the next guy. But I'm sure he doesn't know why. He's probably the most honest of all of us, and while Chief I'm sure is aware of it to a degree, he doesn't mind it because at the end of the day it keeps us all a little honest, from Federal and State investigations and the like. I'm not the monster you think I am, nor Sergeant Switzer thinks I might be.

You see, I play my hand in the mud for a couple of reasons. Not to say Sergeant Switzer's hands are entirely squeaky clean himself. It's fancy how his wife-to-be got a job at the General Practice when it's one of the toughest jobs to get assuming there isn't the need for a whole lot of help around there. But anyway, back to me, I have an obligation to play a hand in the dirt in some ways. For one thing, my father at this point has been a career employee at the Timber Company. He actually doesn't suffer half the racial and segregated talk I have in my twenty two years of life since he does such good work for the Fauberts, but he can't afford to lose his job, and I also can't afford to make my family a target. Growing up, I wanted to always help people, cause I hadn't been able to help myself, but with that in mind, I didn't know I'd get myself into this much dirt.

I don't particularly mind it anymore, however. I mean yes, I stay clear of the heavy shit, that's more so my fellow patrolman on the day shift than anyone else, but I'm involved. You wouldn't believe the respect I get from those who would normally judge me. It's one thing when you're being bullied and harassed, it's another when you're now being paid or rewarded for the exact same to others. Whether it be locals on this side, or Bedards crossing from the other, I've gotten so much respect from those who in some cases would've been the same to make a nasty remark had I not been en enforcer with a badge. It gets to me though, I'd be lying if I said it didn't. The right thing to do. It's an ethical and moral dilemma for me, and I can read that it is in Switzer too. He probably doesn't realize it. I was a psychology minor in college, that's why I'm so comfortable telling you most of this. It doesn't affect me to recount. In fact, in some sick way it might help me.

The other thing it does for me is set me up to have some vengeance. Some of these guys we take down, or enforce upon, sometimes by the book and for the right reasons, and some for the corrupt aspects, are guys that bullied me. Downright harassed me, and beat me up in High School. For me to get that one up on them, all while wearing the badge so they get charges if they raise a finger, it feels good, I feel like I almost in some way, deserve it. I see it as I'm entitled to that and all the pleasantries like I said before. I mean it's the least I should get for all the pain and suffering the Lord put me through in my younger years? Right?

I will say this. Growing up, momma and poppa raised me to "do the right thing". But how is it so easy as that? I know the only reason I got this job in the first place, along with being the only other cop on payroll than Switzer to be college-educated, which I know helps in our accreditation and funding from the state, is because poppa works at the FTC. I know that. That's the power money can't buy. All things considered though, I battle everyday with doing the right thing, versus pleasing myself with what I see as entitlement and whats owed to me. It's a constant struggle, and I battle myself with it everyday. On the one hand, when I do something wrong, I think about what momma and poppa would say, and on the other I see all the love I get from people who wouldn't be caught dead talking to me if I wasn't doing their bidding and stomping on necks. Growing up I wanted to be a cop my whole life, because since I couldn't help myself growing up, I just wanted to always be able to help others once I was old enough to. In this town though, unless you're contributing to the problem, you're not seen as doing your job, even if you're trying to do it as fair and honest as possible. In this town, to get respect for actually doing your job, in this case the respect on the badge, you've got to simultaneously do the opposite sometimes of what we're trained to do. We've all got to play the game.

+++Alignment: Fauberts due to being employed as a Patrolman in the North Palmyra Police Department, as well as being a lifetime resident of North Palmyra from birth, father also works at the FTC and has done so for the past 30-35 years.
+++Occupation: Patrolman, North Palmyra Police Department
+++Biography:
"As I told you already, growing up wasn't glitter and rainbows. It was tough. It was actually unbearable if I'm being brutally honest. We didn't have segregated schools in Palmyra, either side of the bridge, when I was even a youngster, but poppa had told me about them and how brutal they had been, before my time. Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. had fought and died for all of us to be treated equal and fair, but even after his death in 68' the kids just kept on with their shit. Most of em got being racist from their parents, and their parents before them. It was something passed down from generation to generation. I'd say now at least, the younger generations under me have begun to cut it out. Even so, when you're of mixed race, you're an outcast to everyone growing up. The white kids hate you cause they see you as black, and the black kids see you as a inferior, as an outsider. Not to say there's not a healthy population of black folk in Palmyra, there's a good many of us between both halves, but I found it hard to make friends growing up. I didn't only have black or other mixed friends, but I was one of very few mixed folks. Even up into my older years, I always heard about how improper it was of the parents I had who had given birth to me. Especially since a "vile negro had put his nasty hands and tarnished such an 'evangelical southern bell' and yes, a man really said that to me once, in fact, my 11th grade human studies teacher in secondary school to be precise. It wouldn't be the first or last time I heard it either."

"Elementary school and secondary school were tough to be sure. I gained some respect back once I got old enough to learn how to properly work out and keep myself fit. I was always the scrawny, string bean in school growing up, but poppa also contributed in me getting healthy and muscular once he felt I was old enough to begin toning my body like that. I played football as a freshman all the way up into senior year. I played cornerback and wide receiver, and I got especially heightened amounts of respect than ever previous, even from some of my more racial peers, for delivering big hits on defense. I was never afraid of hitting. I would crack any sonuvabitch silly enough to try to run through me. I would use all my frustration and anger on my life up to that point to really polish my game in the sport."

"After high school, momma had a stroke right before my first year of college. She's fine now, just a little shaky in both her arms, but it was a traumatic experience to say the least. She had already been doing odd jobs to make ends meet, after our homestead had been heavily damaged by Camille in 69'. This totally put her out of any line of work, and she relegated herself to strictly being a housewife."

"In 1975, I started college right out of secondary school, and deferred from being drafted out of High School. I elected to attend Nicholls State University in Thibodaux, about 25-30 miles South of the lowest part of South Palmyra. I majored in criminal justice, minoring as I said in psychology, I wanted to make my best attempt to understand how to deal with criminals and ordinary people, as well as to be able to understand why ordinary people and criminals do the things that they do. I graduated in four years, completing my last semester in June of last year; 1979."

"I returned to North Palmyra, where I knew that it would be the easiest to get employment as a patrolman. Poppa had his connections, he was a seasoned veteran of the Timber Company by now. He worked his magic, and by August 3rd, 1979, I was on the force, with no previous academy attended. In any regular town or city, that would've been highly prohibited, but in Palmyra, anything goes. Some paperwork was forged by the Chief and the Fauberts to attest to my training and completion, and all Chief ended up doing was telling Sergeant Switzer to refresh me in firearms training, baton, use of mace, and the long guns. He thought he was refreshing a struggling graduated cadet who had shaky confidence in his original training. He actually trained me the first time, on most of those things I mentioned. Still to this day, Sergeant Switzer didn't deduct that I had never attended an Academy, maybe because I'm definitely about the job despite the corruption I've already touched base on, and he sees me as almost a little brother as well. I'm sure parts of him discount me, but others respect me for the good job I do at such a young age."

By November or December I was cleared of a "probationary phase" and allowed to patrol all by myself. I highly prefer patrolling by myself, because one of my FTOs was my current partner, and at the time one of the two Plymouth's the Department fashions were out of service, meaning that there were only two cars for the day shift. They fixed it by the time November came, but then again, I ended up getting the short end of the stick and was assigned the Matador. Not that I can blame the pecking order, I'm the youngest and newest tenured member on the force.

Currently, I patrol the day shift as part of the three person team that patrols North Palmyra on the A Squad; myself, my partner, and Sergeant Switzer. The Chief you will rarely see out on the road. He enjoys managing the powers he has and handling things for the Fauberts directly from his office most of the time, if he isn't out meeting with them in person, or being persuaded by some of the more higher profile regular townies to avoid certain areas of town being filled with bootlegging, gambling, and drugs.


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NPC application I drew up, will have one additional one coming for the other day shift patrolman.

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Is Sheriff Goudreau still going to be playing or are we rectifying the app as non canon? I only ask as it will ultimately affect my IC actions as Switzer.

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Postby Cylarn » Thu May 21, 2020 10:16 am

The vaktovian empire wrote:Is Sheriff Goudreau still going to be playing or are we rectifying the app as non canon? I only ask as it will ultimately affect my IC actions as Switzer.


Once his application has been sufficiently altered, I'll give the green light. As for the other players, what are your thoughts on this character? Would an extremely straight-laced cop be able to maintain a twenty-year career and his own personal code in the face of two criminalistic, highly violent families? I want to look at the app more objectively.
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Postby The Vaktovian Empire » Thu May 21, 2020 10:49 am

Cylarn wrote:
The vaktovian empire wrote:Is Sheriff Goudreau still going to be playing or are we rectifying the app as non canon? I only ask as it will ultimately affect my IC actions as Switzer.


Once his application has been sufficiently altered, I'll give the green light. As for the other players, what are your thoughts on this character? Would an extremely straight-laced cop be able to maintain a twenty-year career and his own personal code in the face of two criminalistic, highly violent families? I want to look at the app more objectively.


Cy I think if I had read correctly, after you had suggested the alternate addendum to his character's history, he had said that would be fine, I'm not sure.

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Postby Hastur » Thu May 21, 2020 11:20 am

Cylarn wrote:
The vaktovian empire wrote:Is Sheriff Goudreau still going to be playing or are we rectifying the app as non canon? I only ask as it will ultimately affect my IC actions as Switzer.


Once his application has been sufficiently altered, I'll give the green light. As for the other players, what are your thoughts on this character? Would an extremely straight-laced cop be able to maintain a twenty-year career and his own personal code in the face of two criminalistic, highly violent families? I want to look at the app more objectively.


It depends on how corrupt the Parish sheriff department actually is, and how deeply rooted it is. But based on what you told me, and how supposedly that both the families have sway with parish judges, I'd say that it'd be extremely difficult. Both of these families are rich and powerful, and are mostly likely politically involved. After all, they provide the Parish with pretty sizable employment through the lumber companies and own the towns bank. So they probably indirectly have sway with parish level politicians and have a more direct link through family members that are actually politically involved through unions and such. That would probably mean that in an elected position in Sheriff they could ultimately decide on who gets elected just by throwing money at the problem.

So I'm running on the assumption that the Parish sheriff is as corrupt as everything else.

So good cops could probably exist, but a twenty-year, straight lace veteran climbing in the ranks within a corrupt department seems very untenable to me. The problem wouldn't even be the family necessarily, it'd be the department itself. Like he'd be ruined politically first and given bad details like graveyard shift if he's unwilling to play ball within the department, and ultimately he only has to screw up once, because his existence ultimately threatens their jobs. Like it or not, a cop working for twenty years walking a tight rope is going to make a mistake that's an excuse enough to get him fired. Humans are imperfect after all, and obeying all the rules and procedures as a cop is extremely difficult.

Another additional point, straight laced cops have to work within the rule of law, the families don't. Why threaten him? Why even try? If the families are strong enough to have major political influence and sway judges why not just plant evidence and frame him? It's the dawn of the eighties. Framing someone when you have that power would be easy enough if you've got people on the inside. This point is made even better by how severe the Louisiana justice system is.

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Postby Recon » Thu May 21, 2020 2:21 pm

Hastur wrote:
Cylarn wrote:
Once his application has been sufficiently altered, I'll give the green light. As for the other players, what are your thoughts on this character? Would an extremely straight-laced cop be able to maintain a twenty-year career and his own personal code in the face of two criminalistic, highly violent families? I want to look at the app more objectively.


It depends on how corrupt the Parish sheriff department actually is, and how deeply rooted it is. But based on what you told me, and how supposedly that both the families have sway with parish judges, I'd say that it'd be extremely difficult. Both of these families are rich and powerful, and are mostly likely politically involved. After all, they provide the Parish with pretty sizable employment through the lumber companies and own the towns bank. So they probably indirectly have sway with parish level politicians and have a more direct link through family members that are actually politically involved through unions and such. That would probably mean that in an elected position in Sheriff they could ultimately decide on who gets elected just by throwing money at the problem.

So I'm running on the assumption that the Parish sheriff is as corrupt as everything else.

So good cops could probably exist, but a twenty-year, straight lace veteran climbing in the ranks within a corrupt department seems very untenable to me. The problem wouldn't even be the family necessarily, it'd be the department itself. Like he'd be ruined politically first and given bad details like graveyard shift if he's unwilling to play ball within the department, and ultimately he only has to screw up once, because his existence ultimately threatens their jobs. Like it or not, a cop working for twenty years walking a tight rope is going to make a mistake that's an excuse enough to get him fired. Humans are imperfect after all, and obeying all the rules and procedures as a cop is extremely difficult.

Another additional point, straight laced cops have to work within the rule of law, the families don't. Why threaten him? Why even try? If the families are strong enough to have major political influence and sway judges why not just plant evidence and frame him? It's the dawn of the eighties. Framing someone when you have that power would be easy enough if you've got people on the inside. This point is made even better by how severe the Louisiana justice system is.


I agree with everything Hastur has said.

I don't know as much about Louisiana specifically, but in general, I would imagine it would be quite terrifying if you were a member of a police department or Sherrifs office and you weren't taking the bribes, you weren't actively helping out 100%. Surely each family would want their respective department to be full of officers who know which side their bread is buttered. Any officer with a independent streak probably would not be tolerated. If you didn't take the money, if you didn't show you were a "team player", then you likely would either as Hastur said, be relegated to the lowest and most demeaning tasks or you risk a "Serpico" style situation, where if you somehow got hired, your fellow officers would be looking to remove you. They only need to not search a suspect one time or when you call for backup and it doesn't turn up one time, and it's enough. To either kill your or make you quit.

In such a position if you keep your integrity and honour, you will probably be ostracised and stuck in the worst positions. Your life would be hell and the pressure to make an accomodation would be very intense. How could any officer trust you on the street if you don't take the money? If you don't show you are as committed as they are? It would be very hard to just do enough, it would be the sort of job which would drag you in deeper and deeper.

The Police Departments and the Sheriff's are extensions of the families and other political influences. As Hastur mentioned, having your own private police department is possible the best weapon each family has. If someone's a problem, give them a beating in the cells, next time plant some drugs or guns to send them away a few years, and if that doesn't work? Shoot them and drop a gun next to their body. If the South Palmyra police department regularly plant evidences and worse, I doubt the Faubert's would not demand the same from their department. In regards to morality, it would be a race to the bottom.

Maybe as a beat cop, you can stay away from the worst of it. Try and help people, only accept as much of the corruption as you have too. But all your investigations and arrests would be open to being interfered with. It would be terribly frustrating watching guilty people go free, no matter how long you work or what evidence you have. I just can't imagine, unless the Faubert's or Bedard's aren't paying attention, why a senior officer would be allowed to rise up without having done the worst of the worst.
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Postby Khasinkonia » Thu May 21, 2020 2:29 pm

Recon wrote:
Hastur wrote:
It depends on how corrupt the Parish sheriff department actually is, and how deeply rooted it is. But based on what you told me, and how supposedly that both the families have sway with parish judges, I'd say that it'd be extremely difficult. Both of these families are rich and powerful, and are mostly likely politically involved. After all, they provide the Parish with pretty sizable employment through the lumber companies and own the towns bank. So they probably indirectly have sway with parish level politicians and have a more direct link through family members that are actually politically involved through unions and such. That would probably mean that in an elected position in Sheriff they could ultimately decide on who gets elected just by throwing money at the problem.

So I'm running on the assumption that the Parish sheriff is as corrupt as everything else.

So good cops could probably exist, but a twenty-year, straight lace veteran climbing in the ranks within a corrupt department seems very untenable to me. The problem wouldn't even be the family necessarily, it'd be the department itself. Like he'd be ruined politically first and given bad details like graveyard shift if he's unwilling to play ball within the department, and ultimately he only has to screw up once, because his existence ultimately threatens their jobs. Like it or not, a cop working for twenty years walking a tight rope is going to make a mistake that's an excuse enough to get him fired. Humans are imperfect after all, and obeying all the rules and procedures as a cop is extremely difficult.

Another additional point, straight laced cops have to work within the rule of law, the families don't. Why threaten him? Why even try? If the families are strong enough to have major political influence and sway judges why not just plant evidence and frame him? It's the dawn of the eighties. Framing someone when you have that power would be easy enough if you've got people on the inside. This point is made even better by how severe the Louisiana justice system is.


I agree with everything Hastur has said.

I don't know as much about Louisiana specifically, but in general, I would imagine it would be quite terrifying if you were a member of a police department and you weren't taking the bribes, you weren't actively helping out 100%. Surely each family would want their respective department to be full of officers who know which side their bread is buttered. Any officer with a independent streak probably would not be tolerated. If you didn't take the money, if you didn't show you were a "team player", then you likely would either as Hastur said, be relegated to the lowest and most demeaning tasks or you risk a "Serpico" style situation, where if you somehow got hired, your fellow officers would be looking to remove you. They only need to not search a suspect one time or when you call for backup and it doesn't turn up one time, and it's enough. To either kill your or make you quit.

In such a position if you keep your integrity and honour, you will probably be ostracised and stuck in the worst positions. Your life would be hell and the pressure to make an accomodation would be very intense. How could any officer trust you on the street if you don't take the money? If you don't show you are as committed as they are? It would be very hard to just do enough, it would be the sort of job which would drag you in deeper and deeper.

The Police departments and the Sheriff's are extensions of the families and other political influences. As Hastur mentioned, having your own private police department is possible the best weapon each family has. If someone's a problem, give them a beating in the cells, next time plant something on them to send them away a few years, and if that doesn't work? Shoot them and drop a gun next to their body. If the South Palmyra police department regularly plant evidences and worse, I doubt the Faubert's would not demand the same from their department. In regards to morality, it would be a race to the bottom.

Maybe as a beat cop, you can stay away from the worst of it. Try and help people, only accept as much of the corruption as you have too. But all your investigations and arrests would be open to being interfered with. I just can't imagine, unless the Faubert's or Bedard's aren't paying attention, why a senior officer would be allowed to rise up without having done the worst of the worst.

Personally, I do see how a senior officer could be rather clean. If one thinks about game theory, perhaps he's the result of a Nash equilibrium wherein both focus on their local officers, while the central office takes a neutral stance. Perhaps he kept himself safe by being fair, as while both the Fauberts and the Bedards would dislike this, they would have an incentive to avoid rocking the boat and getting rid of him, as they could risk the other getting a police chief who distinctly favours them. As others have said, it would be a tightrope walk, but I think it would be a fascinating one.
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Postby Kentucky Fried Land » Thu May 21, 2020 2:37 pm

I'm definitely more inclined to agree with Hastur and Recon, though they've said everything that I could really say about the subject. To me, it all amounts to having a purpose in the story while still being interactive. If this sheriff were to begin investigating the Bedards/Fauberts, they would stand no chance against either of the crime families. A case could be made for, say, an FBI Agent or the like, but a sheriff? There's a million reasons and a million ways a local crime organization could ruin his life or his career.
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Postby Hastur » Thu May 21, 2020 2:42 pm

Khasinkonia wrote:
Recon wrote:
I agree with everything Hastur has said.

I don't know as much about Louisiana specifically, but in general, I would imagine it would be quite terrifying if you were a member of a police department and you weren't taking the bribes, you weren't actively helping out 100%. Surely each family would want their respective department to be full of officers who know which side their bread is buttered. Any officer with a independent streak probably would not be tolerated. If you didn't take the money, if you didn't show you were a "team player", then you likely would either as Hastur said, be relegated to the lowest and most demeaning tasks or you risk a "Serpico" style situation, where if you somehow got hired, your fellow officers would be looking to remove you. They only need to not search a suspect one time or when you call for backup and it doesn't turn up one time, and it's enough. To either kill your or make you quit.

In such a position if you keep your integrity and honour, you will probably be ostracised and stuck in the worst positions. Your life would be hell and the pressure to make an accomodation would be very intense. How could any officer trust you on the street if you don't take the money? If you don't show you are as committed as they are? It would be very hard to just do enough, it would be the sort of job which would drag you in deeper and deeper.

The Police departments and the Sheriff's are extensions of the families and other political influences. As Hastur mentioned, having your own private police department is possible the best weapon each family has. If someone's a problem, give them a beating in the cells, next time plant something on them to send them away a few years, and if that doesn't work? Shoot them and drop a gun next to their body. If the South Palmyra police department regularly plant evidences and worse, I doubt the Faubert's would not demand the same from their department. In regards to morality, it would be a race to the bottom.

Maybe as a beat cop, you can stay away from the worst of it. Try and help people, only accept as much of the corruption as you have too. But all your investigations and arrests would be open to being interfered with. I just can't imagine, unless the Faubert's or Bedard's aren't paying attention, why a senior officer would be allowed to rise up without having done the worst of the worst.

Personally, I do see how a senior officer could be rather clean. If one thinks about game theory, perhaps he's the result of a Nash equilibrium wherein both focus on their local officers, while the central office takes a neutral stance. Perhaps he kept himself safe by being fair, as while both the Fauberts and the Bedards would dislike this, they would have an incentive to avoid rocking the boat and getting rid of him, as they could risk the other getting a police chief who distinctly favours them. As others have said, it would be a tightrope walk, but I think it would be a fascinating one.

You can't rise in the ranks of the police without shovelling shit, and naturally the corruption is going to roll down hill from senior management. In order to climb the ranks in a corrupt department, you're going to have to do corrupt things. Why would a sheriff promote someone that he can't trust in an environment where one rat can sink the entire ship with a leak?

He can't just avoid rocking the boat in a small parish sheriff department either, its way more personal. Maybe in a monolith police department like Baltimore PD or LAPD that are notorious for shit like stat duking which is its own form of corruption, but the more you climb the ladder the more involved you're going to have to get in a highly politicized workplace.

And with a frame job, you don't even really have to get him arrested for example, you just have to hit him with something awful, like sexual assault for example. Even if it's proven he hasn't done it, his career is done forever in a tight community.
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Postby Recon » Thu May 21, 2020 2:45 pm

Khasinkonia wrote:Personally, I do see how a senior officer could be rather clean. If one thinks about game theory, perhaps he's the result of a Nash equilibrium wherein both focus on their local officers, while the central office takes a neutral stance. Perhaps he kept himself safe by being fair, as while both the Fauberts and the Bedards would dislike this, they would have an incentive to avoid rocking the boat and getting rid of him, as they could risk the other getting a police chief who distinctly favours them. As others have said, it would be a tightrope walk, but I think it would be a fascinating one.


I can understand that. A neutral and trying to remain above it all police officer. Not open to one side or the other but what about the political system, the attorney general, the bureaucracy and the judicial system all being influenced and infiltrated by these two families? And a broader criminal and corrupt society? How would a Sheriff get elected if he doesn't have major political and social organizations to support him? Did you see "clean" sheriff's or police chiefs in other examples of corrupt cities or states? I am just asking. I think it would be more likely. The Sheriff tries to ignore everything to do with these families, he pushes most of it off to the police departments. He doesn't want to rock the boat. Or get involved. If you pick one side, the other takes you down. If you just follow the law, you will anger both sides over time and the judges will overturn your cases. You are damned if you do and your damned if you don't.
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Postby Hastur » Thu May 21, 2020 2:50 pm

Recon wrote:
Khasinkonia wrote:Personally, I do see how a senior officer could be rather clean. If one thinks about game theory, perhaps he's the result of a Nash equilibrium wherein both focus on their local officers, while the central office takes a neutral stance. Perhaps he kept himself safe by being fair, as while both the Fauberts and the Bedards would dislike this, they would have an incentive to avoid rocking the boat and getting rid of him, as they could risk the other getting a police chief who distinctly favours them. As others have said, it would be a tightrope walk, but I think it would be a fascinating one.


I can understand that. A neutral and trying to remain above it all police officer. Not open to one side or the other but what about the political system, the prosecutor, the bureaucracy and the judicial system all being influenced and infiltrated by these two families? And a broader criminal and corrupt society? How would a Sheriff get elected if he doesn't have major political and social organizations to support him? Did you see "clean" sheriff's or police chiefs in other examples of corrupt cities or states? I am just asking. I think it would be more likely. The Sheriff tries to ignore everything to do with these families, he pushes most of it off to the police departments. He doesn't want to rock the boat. Or get involved. If you pick one side, the other take you down. If you just follow the law, you will anger both sides over time and the judges will overturn your cases. Your damned if you do and your damned if you don't.

Here's the thing. I'd imagine that both sides would probably keep the sheriff close, and if anything they're would probably be an agreement of some kind on both sides to get around this. Someone has to mediate between them after all, and a corrupt sheriff making sure they don't kill each other while taking a healthy cut from both sides makes sense. That being said, if the sheriff isn't in on any of it, that puts both their operations at risk. And if one side seizes power of the sheriff, then the other side is just going to tank him. That's the real wire act right there.

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