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by Cylarn » Tue May 19, 2020 6:26 am
by Of the Quendi » Tue May 19, 2020 11:07 am
by Dahyan » Tue May 19, 2020 9:42 pm
Hastur wrote:Might be an idea for the Flauberts to work out their relationships with each other.
I’ll put my characters thoughts down on each later today hopefully.
Hastur wrote:Might be an idea for the Flauberts to work out their relationships with each other.
I’ll put my characters thoughts down on each later today hopefully.
by Khasinkonia » Wed May 20, 2020 12:14 am
Hastur wrote:Might be an idea for the Flauberts to work out their relationships with each other.
I’ll put my characters thoughts down on each later today hopefully.
by Hastur » Wed May 20, 2020 5:34 am
by Of the Quendi » Wed May 20, 2020 11:14 am
Faubert family tree
- Etienne Faubert (1858 - 1921)
by his wife Delphine Faubert (1865 - 1919)
- Germaine Faubert (1886 - 1919)
- Jules Faubert (1889 - )
- Claude Faubert (1891 -1931)
by his wife N/A (? - ?)
- Quentin Faubert (? - ?)
by his wife Sandra Ledoux (? - ?)
- William Faubert (1947 - ?)
- Daniele Faubert (1953 -)
- Adeline Faubert (? - ?)
by her husband Terry Skrine (? - ?)
- Melanie Winona Skrine (1954 -)
- Remy Faubert (? - ?)
by his wife N/A (? - ?)
- Alexandre Beauregarde Faubert (1947 - )
by his wife Judith Anne Faubert, née Fahey (1948 -)
- Juliette "Julie" Anne Faubert (1970 -)
- Edward "Ed" Howard Faubert (1970 -)
- Alexandre "Junior" Beauregard Faubert Jr. (1971 -)
- Marjorie "Margie" Bertha Faubert (1973 -)
- Avalon "Lonnie" Bernadotte Faubert (1974 -)
- William "Will" James Faubert (1975 -)
- Randall "Randy" Edwin Faubert (1976 -)
- Raymond "Ray" Joseph Faubert (1976 -)
- Edna "Eddy" Isabella Faubert (1976 -)
- Mary "MarMar" Jane Faubert (1977 -)
- Rosaire "Ross" Faubert (1895 - 1931)
children and grandchildren- Lucien Faubert (1898 - 1974)
by his wife N/A (1900s - )Coraline Josette Faubert (1933 - )
by her husband? Michael LeBlanc (1905 - 1967)
- a son (1960 - )
Hastur wrote:Might be an idea for the Flauberts to work out their relationships with each other.
I’ll put my characters thoughts down on each later today hopefully.
by Hastur » Wed May 20, 2020 11:39 am
Of the Quendi wrote:To help myself keep track of the family relations of the Fauberts I have made an unofficial and unfinished family tree. If I have gotten anything wrong please let me know.Faubert family tree
- Etienne Faubert (1858 - 1921)
by his wife Delphine Faubert (1865 - 1919)
- Germaine Faubert (1886 - 1919)
- Jules Faubert (1889 - )
- Claude Faubert (1891 -1931)
by his wife N/A (? - ?)
- Quentin Faubert (? - ?)
by his wife Sandra Ledoux (? - ?)
- William Faubert (1947 - ?)
- Daniele Faubert (1953 -)
- Adeline Faubert (? - ?)
by her husband Terry Skrine (? - ?)
- Melanie Winona Skrine (1954 -)
- Remy Faubert (? - ?)
by his wife N/A (? - ?)
- Alexandre Beauregarde Faubert (1947 - )
by his wife Judith Anne Faubert, née Fahey (1948 -)
- Juliette "Julie" Anne Faubert (1970 -)
- Edward "Ed" Howard Faubert (1970 -)
- Alexandre "Junior" Beauregard Faubert Jr. (1971 -)
- Marjorie "Margie" Bertha Faubert (1973 -)
- Avalon "Lonnie" Bernadotte Faubert (1974 -)
- William "Will" James Faubert (1975 -)
- Randall "Randy" Edwin Faubert (1976 -)
- Raymond "Ray" Joseph Faubert (1976 -)
- Edna "Eddy" Isabella Faubert (1976 -)
- Mary "MarMar" Jane Faubert (1977 -)
- Rosaire "Ross" Faubert (1895 - 1931)
children and grandchildren- Lucien Faubert (1898 - 1974)
by his wife N/A (1900s - )Coraline Josette Faubert (1933 - )
by her husband? Michael LeBlanc (1905 - 1967)
- a son (1960 - )
Hastur wrote:Might be an idea for the Flauberts to work out their relationships with each other.
I’ll put my characters thoughts down on each later today hopefully.
Good idea. I will try to write some stuff on how Joe thinks about her family tomorrow.
by The Vaktovian Empire » Wed May 20, 2020 11:45 am
by Of the Quendi » Wed May 20, 2020 11:56 am
Hastur wrote:Like it so far. Very good work.
by Hastur » Wed May 20, 2020 12:03 pm
The vaktovian empire wrote:Hastur, I read how Dani would dislike my character because obviously he's police, but I'm confused what you mean that he could simply pick her up and put her away because she's a felon. Is she going to start out with active warrants or something? If not there's not something likely we could do anyway, but as I said although there is dissonance going on Switzer is going to stay clear and proper under at least those who are directly related to Jules. Those of family who are kinda rivaling or should I say in disagreement with Jules as we've identified there is some tension within the family, well those are potentially another matter entirely lol.
by Bingellia » Wed May 20, 2020 6:31 pm
by Cylarn » Thu May 21, 2020 5:18 am
by Of the Quendi » Thu May 21, 2020 8:32 am
by The Vaktovian Empire » Thu May 21, 2020 9:42 am
by The Vaktovian Empire » Thu May 21, 2020 9:47 am
by Cylarn » Thu May 21, 2020 10:16 am
The vaktovian empire wrote:Is Sheriff Goudreau still going to be playing or are we rectifying the app as non canon? I only ask as it will ultimately affect my IC actions as Switzer.
by The Vaktovian Empire » Thu May 21, 2020 10:49 am
Cylarn wrote:The vaktovian empire wrote:Is Sheriff Goudreau still going to be playing or are we rectifying the app as non canon? I only ask as it will ultimately affect my IC actions as Switzer.
Once his application has been sufficiently altered, I'll give the green light. As for the other players, what are your thoughts on this character? Would an extremely straight-laced cop be able to maintain a twenty-year career and his own personal code in the face of two criminalistic, highly violent families? I want to look at the app more objectively.
by Hastur » Thu May 21, 2020 11:20 am
Cylarn wrote:The vaktovian empire wrote:Is Sheriff Goudreau still going to be playing or are we rectifying the app as non canon? I only ask as it will ultimately affect my IC actions as Switzer.
Once his application has been sufficiently altered, I'll give the green light. As for the other players, what are your thoughts on this character? Would an extremely straight-laced cop be able to maintain a twenty-year career and his own personal code in the face of two criminalistic, highly violent families? I want to look at the app more objectively.
by Recon » Thu May 21, 2020 2:21 pm
Hastur wrote:Cylarn wrote:
Once his application has been sufficiently altered, I'll give the green light. As for the other players, what are your thoughts on this character? Would an extremely straight-laced cop be able to maintain a twenty-year career and his own personal code in the face of two criminalistic, highly violent families? I want to look at the app more objectively.
It depends on how corrupt the Parish sheriff department actually is, and how deeply rooted it is. But based on what you told me, and how supposedly that both the families have sway with parish judges, I'd say that it'd be extremely difficult. Both of these families are rich and powerful, and are mostly likely politically involved. After all, they provide the Parish with pretty sizable employment through the lumber companies and own the towns bank. So they probably indirectly have sway with parish level politicians and have a more direct link through family members that are actually politically involved through unions and such. That would probably mean that in an elected position in Sheriff they could ultimately decide on who gets elected just by throwing money at the problem.
So I'm running on the assumption that the Parish sheriff is as corrupt as everything else.
So good cops could probably exist, but a twenty-year, straight lace veteran climbing in the ranks within a corrupt department seems very untenable to me. The problem wouldn't even be the family necessarily, it'd be the department itself. Like he'd be ruined politically first and given bad details like graveyard shift if he's unwilling to play ball within the department, and ultimately he only has to screw up once, because his existence ultimately threatens their jobs. Like it or not, a cop working for twenty years walking a tight rope is going to make a mistake that's an excuse enough to get him fired. Humans are imperfect after all, and obeying all the rules and procedures as a cop is extremely difficult.
Another additional point, straight laced cops have to work within the rule of law, the families don't. Why threaten him? Why even try? If the families are strong enough to have major political influence and sway judges why not just plant evidence and frame him? It's the dawn of the eighties. Framing someone when you have that power would be easy enough if you've got people on the inside. This point is made even better by how severe the Louisiana justice system is.
by Khasinkonia » Thu May 21, 2020 2:29 pm
Recon wrote:Hastur wrote:
It depends on how corrupt the Parish sheriff department actually is, and how deeply rooted it is. But based on what you told me, and how supposedly that both the families have sway with parish judges, I'd say that it'd be extremely difficult. Both of these families are rich and powerful, and are mostly likely politically involved. After all, they provide the Parish with pretty sizable employment through the lumber companies and own the towns bank. So they probably indirectly have sway with parish level politicians and have a more direct link through family members that are actually politically involved through unions and such. That would probably mean that in an elected position in Sheriff they could ultimately decide on who gets elected just by throwing money at the problem.
So I'm running on the assumption that the Parish sheriff is as corrupt as everything else.
So good cops could probably exist, but a twenty-year, straight lace veteran climbing in the ranks within a corrupt department seems very untenable to me. The problem wouldn't even be the family necessarily, it'd be the department itself. Like he'd be ruined politically first and given bad details like graveyard shift if he's unwilling to play ball within the department, and ultimately he only has to screw up once, because his existence ultimately threatens their jobs. Like it or not, a cop working for twenty years walking a tight rope is going to make a mistake that's an excuse enough to get him fired. Humans are imperfect after all, and obeying all the rules and procedures as a cop is extremely difficult.
Another additional point, straight laced cops have to work within the rule of law, the families don't. Why threaten him? Why even try? If the families are strong enough to have major political influence and sway judges why not just plant evidence and frame him? It's the dawn of the eighties. Framing someone when you have that power would be easy enough if you've got people on the inside. This point is made even better by how severe the Louisiana justice system is.
I agree with everything Hastur has said.
I don't know as much about Louisiana specifically, but in general, I would imagine it would be quite terrifying if you were a member of a police department and you weren't taking the bribes, you weren't actively helping out 100%. Surely each family would want their respective department to be full of officers who know which side their bread is buttered. Any officer with a independent streak probably would not be tolerated. If you didn't take the money, if you didn't show you were a "team player", then you likely would either as Hastur said, be relegated to the lowest and most demeaning tasks or you risk a "Serpico" style situation, where if you somehow got hired, your fellow officers would be looking to remove you. They only need to not search a suspect one time or when you call for backup and it doesn't turn up one time, and it's enough. To either kill your or make you quit.
In such a position if you keep your integrity and honour, you will probably be ostracised and stuck in the worst positions. Your life would be hell and the pressure to make an accomodation would be very intense. How could any officer trust you on the street if you don't take the money? If you don't show you are as committed as they are? It would be very hard to just do enough, it would be the sort of job which would drag you in deeper and deeper.
The Police departments and the Sheriff's are extensions of the families and other political influences. As Hastur mentioned, having your own private police department is possible the best weapon each family has. If someone's a problem, give them a beating in the cells, next time plant something on them to send them away a few years, and if that doesn't work? Shoot them and drop a gun next to their body. If the South Palmyra police department regularly plant evidences and worse, I doubt the Faubert's would not demand the same from their department. In regards to morality, it would be a race to the bottom.
Maybe as a beat cop, you can stay away from the worst of it. Try and help people, only accept as much of the corruption as you have too. But all your investigations and arrests would be open to being interfered with. I just can't imagine, unless the Faubert's or Bedard's aren't paying attention, why a senior officer would be allowed to rise up without having done the worst of the worst.
by Kentucky Fried Land » Thu May 21, 2020 2:37 pm
by Hastur » Thu May 21, 2020 2:42 pm
Khasinkonia wrote:Recon wrote:
I agree with everything Hastur has said.
I don't know as much about Louisiana specifically, but in general, I would imagine it would be quite terrifying if you were a member of a police department and you weren't taking the bribes, you weren't actively helping out 100%. Surely each family would want their respective department to be full of officers who know which side their bread is buttered. Any officer with a independent streak probably would not be tolerated. If you didn't take the money, if you didn't show you were a "team player", then you likely would either as Hastur said, be relegated to the lowest and most demeaning tasks or you risk a "Serpico" style situation, where if you somehow got hired, your fellow officers would be looking to remove you. They only need to not search a suspect one time or when you call for backup and it doesn't turn up one time, and it's enough. To either kill your or make you quit.
In such a position if you keep your integrity and honour, you will probably be ostracised and stuck in the worst positions. Your life would be hell and the pressure to make an accomodation would be very intense. How could any officer trust you on the street if you don't take the money? If you don't show you are as committed as they are? It would be very hard to just do enough, it would be the sort of job which would drag you in deeper and deeper.
The Police departments and the Sheriff's are extensions of the families and other political influences. As Hastur mentioned, having your own private police department is possible the best weapon each family has. If someone's a problem, give them a beating in the cells, next time plant something on them to send them away a few years, and if that doesn't work? Shoot them and drop a gun next to their body. If the South Palmyra police department regularly plant evidences and worse, I doubt the Faubert's would not demand the same from their department. In regards to morality, it would be a race to the bottom.
Maybe as a beat cop, you can stay away from the worst of it. Try and help people, only accept as much of the corruption as you have too. But all your investigations and arrests would be open to being interfered with. I just can't imagine, unless the Faubert's or Bedard's aren't paying attention, why a senior officer would be allowed to rise up without having done the worst of the worst.
Personally, I do see how a senior officer could be rather clean. If one thinks about game theory, perhaps he's the result of a Nash equilibrium wherein both focus on their local officers, while the central office takes a neutral stance. Perhaps he kept himself safe by being fair, as while both the Fauberts and the Bedards would dislike this, they would have an incentive to avoid rocking the boat and getting rid of him, as they could risk the other getting a police chief who distinctly favours them. As others have said, it would be a tightrope walk, but I think it would be a fascinating one.
by Recon » Thu May 21, 2020 2:45 pm
Khasinkonia wrote:Personally, I do see how a senior officer could be rather clean. If one thinks about game theory, perhaps he's the result of a Nash equilibrium wherein both focus on their local officers, while the central office takes a neutral stance. Perhaps he kept himself safe by being fair, as while both the Fauberts and the Bedards would dislike this, they would have an incentive to avoid rocking the boat and getting rid of him, as they could risk the other getting a police chief who distinctly favours them. As others have said, it would be a tightrope walk, but I think it would be a fascinating one.
by Hastur » Thu May 21, 2020 2:50 pm
Recon wrote:Khasinkonia wrote:Personally, I do see how a senior officer could be rather clean. If one thinks about game theory, perhaps he's the result of a Nash equilibrium wherein both focus on their local officers, while the central office takes a neutral stance. Perhaps he kept himself safe by being fair, as while both the Fauberts and the Bedards would dislike this, they would have an incentive to avoid rocking the boat and getting rid of him, as they could risk the other getting a police chief who distinctly favours them. As others have said, it would be a tightrope walk, but I think it would be a fascinating one.
I can understand that. A neutral and trying to remain above it all police officer. Not open to one side or the other but what about the political system, the prosecutor, the bureaucracy and the judicial system all being influenced and infiltrated by these two families? And a broader criminal and corrupt society? How would a Sheriff get elected if he doesn't have major political and social organizations to support him? Did you see "clean" sheriff's or police chiefs in other examples of corrupt cities or states? I am just asking. I think it would be more likely. The Sheriff tries to ignore everything to do with these families, he pushes most of it off to the police departments. He doesn't want to rock the boat. Or get involved. If you pick one side, the other take you down. If you just follow the law, you will anger both sides over time and the judges will overturn your cases. Your damned if you do and your damned if you don't.
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