The Great Restoration (Semi-PMT/Nation/OOC/Dead)

[SangMar]

Plzen! Please validate my stable genius master plan for allowing us to trade with no scaawy Duck Dynasty-esque nation infringing on our free right of both passage and commerce!

For state-to-state transactions, sure. For private sector trade, I imagine bulk transport will continue to be organised on an improvised basis.

ill buy ur light croosers bro

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Probably the 6th generation fighters would only be prototypes at this point. It took 22 years for the US to introduce the F-22 while the F-35 took 23. The Russians took 26 years. So even if you started development right after procuring the 5th generation fighters, But with domestic issues coming into play, your fighters are probably either in advanced prototype stages or in very limited production. Overall, since it appears the US would be pretty hard to cheat off of with it having become so divided, it might be hard to be out of prototype stages.

I'm thinking at most I'll have a squadron of sixth-generation fighters at the start so probably sixteen planes. By the way, I'm willing to work with Japan, if they are willing to leave Chinese territories alone. I'm willing to enter a military alliance against Korea if you are.

I am willing to enter an alliance, so long as China stays on their side of the sea.

[Kenobot]

Edit: No longer reserving anything sorry. Got too much stuff on over the next week to sign up. Might come back next week if there's any space

[Nazeroth]

Will have an app up ASAP, just pondering how I'd make it work best

Reservation

NS Name: Kenobot
Country Name: Indochinese Union
Territory: Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Myanmar

I could see it at a sort of Federation or EU type situation.

[Kenobot]

Will have an app up ASAP, just pondering how I'd make it work best

Reservation

NS Name: Kenobot
Country Name: Indochinese Union
Territory: Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Myanmar

I could see it at a sort of Federation or EU type situation.

I'm thinking more of a Vietnam-centric union that came about following the Vietnamese Communist Party's return to hardline authoritarian communism (Stalinism with Vietnamese Characteristics ) which then led to their gobbling up of Cambodia and Laos into a new Indochinese Union, which as the economic crisis worsened took the opportunity to 'liberate' and incorporate Thailand and Myanmar. Something like that anyway

[Nazeroth]

I could see it at a sort of Federation or EU type situation.

I'm thinking more of a Vietnam-centric union that came about following the Vietnamese Communist Party's return to hardline authoritarian communism (Stalinism with Vietnamese Characteristics ) which then led to their gobbling up of Cambodia and Laos into a new Indochinese Union, which as the economic crisis worsened took the opportunity to 'liberate' and incorporate Thailand and Myanmar. Something like that anyway

I mean, whatever floats your boat ha

[Plzen]

ill buy ur light croosers bro

Now if only Arv would throw up an IC already so we can discuss these issues in greater detail...

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I'm thinking at most I'll have a squadron of sixth-generation fighters at the start so probably sixteen planes. By the way, I'm willing to work with Japan, if they are willing to leave Chinese territories alone. I'm willing to enter a military alliance against Korea if you are.

We will not send the Commonwealth's boys and girls into the air in anything but the very best!

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

ill buy ur light croosers bro

Now if only Arv would throw up an IC already so we can discuss these issues in greater detail...

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I'm thinking at most I'll have a squadron of sixth-generation fighters at the start so probably sixteen planes. By the way, I'm willing to work with Japan, if they are willing to leave Chinese territories alone. I'm willing to enter a military alliance against Korea if you are.

We will not send the Commonwealth's boys and girls into the air in anything but the very best!

Yo is Saab gonna have some new fighters out by the time the RP starts?

[Plzen]

Yo is Saab gonna have some new fighters out by the time the RP starts?

Of course. My current thoughts are that there would have been three different designs for air superiority multiroles between 2020 and 2056, with the latter two being 6th generation concepts.

[Sarderia]

Now if only Arv would throw up an IC already so we can discuss these issues in greater detail...

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We will not send the Commonwealth's boys and girls into the air in anything but the very best!

Yo is Saab gonna have some new fighters out by the time the RP starts?

You would buy from SAAB, but not from Boeing or Lockheed Martin? Interesting....

[Plzen]

You would buy from SAAB, but not from Boeing or Lockheed Martin? Interesting....

It makes a lot of sense. With its headquarters in Stockholm and something like four-fifths of its RL employees in Sweden (and many more in its immediate neighbours), SAAB is very much a Northern manufacturer.

Whereas Boeing and Lockheed Martin's operations are far more likely to have been heavily affected by the dissolution of the United States, their eventual national allegiances probably far more ambiguous, and the American splinter states interested in them possessed of North American hegemonic ambitions. All of these things are potential concerns in an arms manufacturer, what with the armaments trade being a politically and diplomatically sensitive issue.

Also, unless one of those North American splinter states have been setting aside large budgets for air force modernisations, it's quite possible that the Commonwealth is both the world's largest and most reliable manufacturer of 6th generation air superiority fighters. This may factor into cost and logistics considerations.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Yo is Saab gonna have some new fighters out by the time the RP starts?

You would buy from SAAB, but not from Boeing or Lockheed Martin? Interesting....

Its not that I wouldn't buy from Boeing, I'm just not sure on their status given how their production facilities are spread throughout the now former US. Same with Lockheed Martin. Whereas SAAB has a history of making cost effective light attack aircraft that would be perfect for defensive operations in my airforce, I also know that they are fully intact and stable, and if I were to place an order it would be a garunteed delivery.

[Sarderia]

You would buy from SAAB, but not from Boeing or Lockheed Martin? Interesting....

It makes a lot of sense. With its headquarters in Stockholm and something like four-fifths of its RL employees in Sweden (and many more in its immediate neighbours), SAAB is very much a Northern manufacturer.

Whereas Boeing and Lockheed Martin's operations are far more likely to have been heavily affected by the dissolution of the United States, their eventual national allegiances probably far more ambiguous, and the American splinter states interested in them possessed of North American hegemonic ambitions. All of these things are potential concerns in an arms manufacturer, what with the armaments trade being a politically and diplomatically sensitive issue.

Also, unless one of those North American splinter states have been setting aside large budgets for air force modernisations, it's quite possible that the Commonwealth is both the world's largest and most reliable manufacturer of 6th generation air superiority fighters. This may factor into cost and logistics considerations.

While its headquarters is in Illinois, Boeing has just recently moved, and their assembly line still takes place in Everett. Lockheed Martin as well has their operations spread through different states in the US. By the time America splintered they would have undergone some sort of nationalization by each of the American splinter states and as such, has no "national allegiances" remaining, at least for Cascadia.

At this point I would say the Commonwealth, Japan, and Cascadia are the three largest manufacturers of aircrafts in the world. All three has similar GDPs - except Japan, which is considerably higher than Cascadia or Norden by a billion at least - and I imagine the R&D budget allocations are pretty much the same. At the same time, Japan and Cascadia would have a technological headstart, because both Boeing (F/A XX) and Mitsubishi (X-2 Shinshin) already made a research to 6th-gen jet fighters IRL, whereas SAAB has not.

[Plzen]

While its headquarters is in Illinois, Boeing has just recently moved, and their assembly line still takes place in Everett. Lockheed Martin as well has their operations spread through different states in the US. By the time America splintered they would have undergone some sort of nationalization by each of the American splinter states and as such, has no "national allegiances" remaining, at least for Cascadia.

All fair enough points, although I will point out that such dissolution and nationalisations would still have affected the organisational integrity and social capital of the corporations involved, which for such high-technology, R&D-heavy corporations might be as important as their physical production facilities.

At this point I would say the Commonwealth, Japan, and Cascadia are the three largest manufacturers of aircrafts in the world.

This is probably correct.

All three has similar GDPs - except Japan, which is considerably higher than Cascadia or Norden by a billion at least - and I imagine the R&D budget allocations are pretty much the same.

Since I used 1990 Int'll$, you used 2020 dollars, and as far as I can tell Japan's application is written in 2012 dollars, this is a nightmare of a comparison and I don't have CPI tables with me to look up quite at the moment. I can tell at a glance that Cascadia is somewhat smaller than either Norden or Japan, though.

Japan does have the disadvantage of having a ridiculously oversized army, though, which probably soaks up a big part of their military budget. Norden and Cascadia both field far more modest ground forces, probably reflecting their greater focus on naval/airbourne assets.

At the same time, Japan and Cascadia would have a technological headstart, because both Boeing (F/A XX) and Mitsubishi (X-2 Shinshin) already made a research to 6th-gen jet fighters IRL, whereas SAAB has not.

There is a joint Swedish-British project, although I'm not sure if SAAB is involved in that. It's been left on the back burner for a few years now and would probably have died a quiet death during the Central European War, but insights from the program would still have been of limited use.

[Revlona]

I'm having a really interesting time trying to compare everyones GDPs as it seems people are either writing it in their currency or they are using an older model of USD to compare it to

So while me headache goes away I'll stop

[Plzen]

I'm having a really interesting time trying to compare everyones GDPs as it seems people are either writing it in their currency or they are using an older model of USD to compare it to

So while me headache goes away I'll stop

At the moment I think the Commonwealth is second in the GDP tables, after Japan who holds the first spot. Most people put their real GDPs down in their applications, and since prices in Norden are high, in terms of nominal GDP I might very well be the first. I deliberately set my GDP fairly high in anticipation of being a viable secondary power against some high-population superpowers, but asides from China's unfinished application there aren't any such superpowers in this RP to date, placing me much higher on the rankings than I had originally intended when I wrote my application.

I might do the math and put together a comparison table later down the line.

[Revlona]

I'm having a really interesting time trying to compare everyones GDPs as it seems people are either writing it in their currency or they are using an older model of USD to compare it to

So while me headache goes away I'll stop

At the moment I think the Commonwealth is second in the GDP tables, after Japan who holds the first spot. Most people put their real GDPs down in their applications, and since prices in Norden are high, in terms of nominal GDP I might very well be the first. I deliberately set my GDP fairly high in anticipation of being a viable secondary power against some high-population superpowers, but asides from China's unfinished application there aren't any such superpowers in this RP to date, placing me much higher on the rankings than I had originally intended when I wrote my application.

I might do the math and put together a comparison table later down the line.

I set mine down to be the relative highest in the American area while still being what could be called a power outside of it

[Strala]

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That is probably true. Like I said China will have some, but they won't be for export and are in limited production

At this point I would say the Commonwealth, Japan, and Cascadia are the three largest manufacturers of aircrafts in the world.

I wouldn't discount China, as most of the state-owned defense companies are still under PRC control as most of their headquarters are located in Beijing and the nation still has a strong industrial base with a relatively high GDP.

[Newne Carriebean7]

While its headquarters is in Illinois, Boeing has just recently moved, and their assembly line still takes place in Everett. Lockheed Martin as well has their operations spread through different states in the US. By the time America splintered they would have undergone some sort of nationalization by each of the American splinter states and as such, has no "national allegiances" remaining, at least for Cascadia.

Yeah their Illinois HQ was taken over by a friendly airplane manufacture called Great Lakes Boeing (no relation to the other Boeing) and owned by a relative of the reigning monarch named Tyber, who's responsible for producing and maintaining most of the aircraft my nation utilizes, all in exchange for generous kickbacks by Emperor Jackson and the suppression of his numerous affairs.
We've managed to construct some small production facilities within Chicago, though the amount of aircraft produced has been plagued with delays and requests from the Army for raw materials, building space and unskilled workers for their rival buildup of Tanks, cars and washing machines.

[HypErcApitAl]

ill buy ur light croosers bro

Now if only Arv would throw up an IC already so we can discuss these issues in greater detail...

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I'm thinking at most I'll have a squadron of sixth-generation fighters at the start so probably sixteen planes. By the way, I'm willing to work with Japan, if they are willing to leave Chinese territories alone. I'm willing to enter a military alliance against Korea if you are.

We will not send the Commonwealth's boys and girls into the air in anything but the very best!

Same. I'm kinda tired of waiting for the IC.

[HypErcApitAl]

Yo is Saab gonna have some new fighters out by the time the RP starts?

You would buy from SAAB, but not from Boeing or Lockheed Martin? Interesting....

I could use aesthetics from the Canadian/American Airforce and their MIC (Military Industrial Complex), but I also like the French aesthetic with Dassaults and other French jets/the French MIC.

[HypErcApitAl]

Trade/Economic-wise, I think Quebec would do heavy trade with Cascadia and Newengland since Cascadia appears to be very prosperous, and Newengland's literally our neighbor. I'd like to see how Quebecois-Newenglish relations go.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Now if only Arv would throw up an IC already so we can discuss these issues in greater detail...

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We will not send the Commonwealth's boys and girls into the air in anything but the very best!

Same. I'm kinda tired of waiting for the IC.

tbh if Arv doesn't thrown one up soon, maybe we can see if a temporary IC can be set up until he's able to finish his app and get a full one up, just because I feel like the long wait between the apping phase and the RP phase is causing a big detriment to the RP.

[Revlona]

Patience is a virtue

[Strala]

Patience is a virtue

It is until you end up waiting for three or more days for your app to be accepted or to be told to change it and probably even longer for an IC to go up