The Great Restoration (Semi-PMT/Nation/OOC/Dead)

[SangMar]

Alright Newne

Well coordinated pre-emptive strike using long range missiles, artillery, and air power

How well does this go?

You real agru-gru.

[Revlona]

Alright Newne

Well coordinated pre-emptive strike using long range missiles, artillery, and air power

How well does this go?

You real agru-gru.

He attacked me

Plus basically slavery

[SangMar]

You real agru-gru.

He attacked me

Plus basically slavery

No one cares BBR go home

[Revlona]

He attacked me

Plus basically slavery

No one cares BBR go home

Hey, I'm about to make a big brain diplo move towards you

[Newne Carriebean7]

Alright Newne

Well coordinated pre-emptive strike using long range missiles, artillery, and air power

How well does this go?

Well I've got a network of SAMs and other countermeasures that might take out a handful of incoming missiles, though artillery fire will just have to be met with counter battery fire from eccentric artillery lords.
Air Power... Well that's kind of an area I'm still lacking in.

I'm going with a sparsley populated air force strategy, which means that small sections near the boarder wont have time to get up in the air, only pass on a warning before being obliterated. This gives a tiny window for other, further away airbases to hastily mobilize, call back their units from parades until BBR cruise missiles or aircraft whistle dixie and show up bombing the shit out of me. The Missiles can hit their targets with relative impunity. My anti air weaponry amounts to practically anything, with no real production organization to it, just a jumbled together hodgepodge of Civil War era muskets outfitted with silencers to cruise missles that might hit something if they're guided.

You real agru-gru.

He attacked me

Plus basically slavery

No, We're not enslaving anyone yet, it's all just indentured servitude.

Think of it like sharecropping but for industrial factories, or Walmart but somehow better.

[SangMar]

No one cares BBR go home

Hey, I'm about to make a big brain diplo move towards you

BBR G O H O M E

[Nazeroth]

Ill try to get a post up tonight

[Arvenia]

List of major political parties in the Russian Empire

• Czarist National Party (Царская Национальная Партия/Tsarskaya Natsional'naya Partiya) - Right-wing (Russian Nationalism, Russian Irrendentism, Monarchism, Authoritarianism, Social Conservatism, National Conservatism, Mixed Economy, Anti-Fascism, Anti-Capitalism and Anti-Communism)
• Green Russia (Зеленая Россия/Zelenaya Rossiya) - Centre to centre-left (Social Democracy, Social Liberalism, Green Liberalism, Non-Interventionism, Pro-Europeanism and Third Way)
• Pensioners' Party for Social Justice (Пенсионерская Партия за Социальную Справедливость/Pensionerskaya Partiya za Sotsial'nuyu Spravedlivost') - Centre (Pensioners' Interests, Social Justice, Social Conservatism and Radical Centrism)
• Civic Platform (Гражданская Платформа/Grazhdanskaya Platforma) - Centre-right (Liberal Conservatism and Economic Liberalism)
• Communist Party of the Russian Empire (Коммунистическая Партия Российской Империи/Kommunisticheskaya Partiya Rossiyskoy Imperii) - Left-wing to far-left (Communism, Marxism-Leninism, Neo-Sovietism, Anti-Monarchism and Anti-Western Sentiment)
• Social Democratic Party of Russia (Социал-Демократическая Партия России/Sotsial-Demokraticheskaya Partiya Rossii) - Centre-left to left-wing (Democratic Socialism, Social Democracy, Left-Wing Populism and Left-Wing Nationalism)
• Motherland Front (Фронт Родины/Front Rodiny) - Right-wing to far-right (Russian Nationalism, Christian Right, Social Conservatism, National Conservatism and Right-Wing Populism)
• Belarusian People's League (Белорусская Народная Лига/Belorusskaya Narodnaya Liga) - Big tent (Belarusian Minority Politics)
• Russian National Unity (Русское Национальное Единство/Russkoye Natsional'noye Yedinstvo) - Far-right (Russian Nationalism, Russian Irrendentism, Neo-Nazism, Neo-Fascism, Sinophobia, Islamophobia, Antisemitism, Anti-Capitalism, Anti-Communism, Anti-Globalism, Anti-Immigration and Third Position)
• Ecological Progress Party (Партия Экологического Прогресса/Partiya Ekologicheskogo Progressa) - Left-wing (Green Left)
• Libertarian Party of Russia (Либертарианская Партия России/Libertarianskaya Partiya Rossii) - Centre-right to right-wing (Right-Libertarianism, Minarchism, Anti-Statism, Anarcho-Capitalism, Laissez-Faire and Non-Interventionism)

Would you make a list of your own political parties (including their ideologies and political positions)?

[Revlona]

Posted

God my southern twang can be heard in that letter

[Newne Carriebean7]

Posted

God my southern twang can be heard in that letter

oh god oh fuck

*dixie intensifies*
welp better prepare for the final solution

[Strala]

Well, by popular demand, here it is.

Assumptions, which I had to make because of incomplete information and because a lot of you have just plain inconsistent figures:
If a bare GDP figure was stated in USD with no explanation, I assumed it was real GDP (except for Siberia, which I figured had to be nominal GDP). If it was stated in local currency with no explanation, I assumed it was nominal. If a currency exchange rate was stated with no explanation, I assumed it was the PPP rate to 2020 USD. I assumed that price level varies at one-fourth the rate of variance of real GDP.
Quebec's figures were... odd. I figured he made a 3 order-of-magnitude error in writing down his GDP, and his GDPpc didn't match with his GDP and population, so I assumed the GDP was real and GDPpc was listed in nominal terms.
For Greece, which also had a similar mismatch, I assumed the opposite. It makes sense to me that prices will be high in Quebec and low in Greece.
Korea's disparity was too large to be explained away as that, so I just ignored his GDP figure and calculated it from his GDPpc. Same for Germany, since Germany already lists a nominal and PPP-adjusted GDP.
China had an unusually high price level, which I thought was kind of strange, but eh, whatever. Not my application.
For Northumbria, I assumed 1.25 USD to GBP.
For Japan, the app states that the GDP numbers were based on 2012 figures, so I assume those figures are in 2012 USD.

Also, keep in mind that many people gave population/GDP figures with just 2 or 3 significant digits, so in those cases the calculated numbers may not be very precise.

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So, here's the compiled list, in alphabetical order:

Asian States, United
Real GDP: 12,643 billion NDK (28,623 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 6,080 billion NDK (13,766 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 5.26 UAD : NDK

Bonnie Blue Republic
Real GDP: 10,652 billion NDK (104,469 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 7,081 billion NDK (69,447 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 0.496 BBD : NDK

British Republic
Real GDP: 1,011 billion NDK (77,801 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 625 billion NDK (48,045 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 5.20 Merits : NDK

Cascadia, Federal Republic of
Real GDP: 8,220 billion NDK (223,062 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 6,606 billion NDK (179,248 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 0.209 CS$ : NDK

China, Reorganised People's Republic of
Real GDP: 22,924 billion NDK (29,540 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 22,847 billion NDK (29,441 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 5.75 RMB : NDK

Great Lakes, Republic of the
Real GDP: 846 billion NDK (9,719 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 310 billion NDK (3,568 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 24.2 $B : NDK

Greece, Kingdom of
Real GDP: 1,527 billion NDK (79,942 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 911 billion NDK (47,682 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 0.0592 Drachma : NDK

Japan, State of
Real GDP: 17,850 billion NDK (132,915 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 12,603 billion NDK (93,840 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 59.6 Yen : NDK

Korea, Republic of
Real GDP: 7,839 billion NDK (97,983 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 5,128 billion NDK (63,100 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 1,300 Won : NDK

New England, United Provinces of
Real GDP: 2,011 billion NDK (114,921 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 1,369 billion NDK (78,239 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 0.465 Florin : NDK

Northern Commonwealth
Real GDP: 16,476 billion NDK (534,940 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 16,476 billion NDK (534,940 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 1 NDK : 1 NDK (obviously)

Northumbria, Republic of
Real GDP: 621 billion NDK (174,773 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 470 billion NDK (132,135 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: > not stated <

Quebecois Order
Real GDP: 11,950 billion NDK (146,085 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 17,652 billion NDK (215,798 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 0.00122 Juliet : NDK

Russian Empire
Real GDP: 15,479 billion NDK (77,191 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 6,532 billion NDK (32,575 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 66.9 Ruble : NDK

Siberian Confederation
Real GDP: 160 billion NDK (8,004 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 56 billion NDK (2,799 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 2.26 SIB : NDK

Southern Republic, New
Real GDP: 10,367 billion NDK (179,514 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 7,890 billion NDK (136,630 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 0.346 ND$ : NDK

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Not yet accepted, but I did one anyways:

German Empire
Real GDP: 26,297 billion NDK (222,853 per capita)
Nominal GDP: 14,802 billion NDK (125,441 per capita)
Market Exchange Rate: 1.28 DEM : NDK

If this is accepted, Germany will displace China as the largest economy in this RP. Norden's untouchable position as the single richest country by far (in per-capita terms, that is), though, seems fairly secure for now.

Well I assumed a inflation rate of 3 percent for 36 years and that was compared to a 2020 dollar and thank God that at least my nominal GDP is still safe at being number one, though we shall surely regain that number one spot once I regain the south.

[SangMar]

Posted

God my southern twang can be heard in that letter

oh god oh fuck

*dixie intensifies*
welp better prepare for the final solution

Newne! I can’t live in a world without the memes you produce!

[Sarderia]

The odds of the Great Lakes reuniting the former United States is so low as to be not worth thinking about, so we can safely support their ambitions without risk that those ambitions will actually get realised.

And the overall probability that either major political party would be stupid enough to try something like that's low.. The Emperor might be a bit more gung ho, preferably in getting a pacific sea port by bombing the shit out of Cascadia.
Now all I need to hope for is that Cascadia doesn't have any allies or the international community is as apathetic to north american affairs as the Nordic Confederation.

That's if you can reach Cascadia at all. There's a hell of a mountain range called Montana and Idaho between your precious tanks and artilleries, and Vancouver. Cascadia's smaller population, substantially higher GDP, and higher allocation to R/D and military spending wold give us a technological edge. Not to mention your supremacist and authoritarian state kind of is not interesting to any large business to conduct operations in - except you're trying to be China, of course, which is sort of an oligrachic and totalitarian state mixed into one. And a militia? Seriously? One single Alexa, intruder alert, (and do remember we have the supreme leaders Bezos and Gates on our side - well maybe not Gates, because he's so old already even IRL now) will send your North Korea-esque massive-but-severely-lacking armed forces straight to demise our happy hour liberal-Shannonist education camps family-fun park after we bomb the crap out of them (and we didn't even need to do it in person, thanks to the monstrous and beastly drones of hell™ à la that general the USA bombed, but on a much larger scale). You heard that. Prepare for the real FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY son - yee-haw.

[Strala]

And the overall probability that either major political party would be stupid enough to try something like that's low.. The Emperor might be a bit more gung ho, preferably in getting a pacific sea port by bombing the shit out of Cascadia.
Now all I need to hope for is that Cascadia doesn't have any allies or the international community is as apathetic to north american affairs as the Nordic Confederation.

That's if you can reach Cascadia at all. There's a hell of a mountain range called Montana and Idaho between your precious tanks and artilleries, and Vancouver. Cascadia's smaller population, substantially higher GDP, and higher allocation to R/D and military spending wold give us a technological edge. Not to mention your supremacist and authoritarian state kind of is not interesting to any large business to conduct operations in - except you're trying to be China, of course, which is sort of an oligrachic and totalitarian state mixed into one. And a militia? Seriously? One single Alexa, intruder alert, (and do remember we have the supreme leaders Bezos and Gates on our side - well maybe not Gates, because he's so old already even IRL now) will send your North Korea-esque massive-but-severely-lacking armed forces straight to demise our happy hour liberal-Shannonist education camps family-fun park after we bomb the crap out of them (and we didn't even need to do it in person, thanks to the monstrous and beastly drones of hell™ à la that general the USA bombed, but on a much larger scale). You heard that. Prepare for the real FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY son - yee-haw.

You know I agree that while it is funny mass wave tactics don't work as well these days and even then when they were used by China, they had a man power practically unrivaled and could actually afford to lose those men.

[Sarderia]

That's if you can reach Cascadia at all. There's a hell of a mountain range called Montana and Idaho between your precious tanks and artilleries, and Vancouver. Cascadia's smaller population, substantially higher GDP, and higher allocation to R/D and military spending wold give us a technological edge. Not to mention your supremacist and authoritarian state kind of is not interesting to any large business to conduct operations in - except you're trying to be China, of course, which is sort of an oligrachic and totalitarian state mixed into one. And a militia? Seriously? One single Alexa, intruder alert, (and do remember we have the supreme leaders Bezos and Gates on our side - well maybe not Gates, because he's so old already even IRL now) will send your North Korea-esque massive-but-severely-lacking armed forces straight to demise our happy hour liberal-Shannonist education camps family-fun park after we bomb the crap out of them (and we didn't even need to do it in person, thanks to the monstrous and beastly drones of hell™ à la that general the USA bombed, but on a much larger scale). You heard that. Prepare for the real FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY son - yee-haw.

You know I agree that while it is funny mass wave tactics don't work as well these days and even then when they were used by China, they had a man power practically unrivaled and could actually afford to lose those men.

Cascadia's got far more bullet than they have men. And unlike Germany with Operation Barbarossa, we actually do have the industrial and technological capacity to just bomb the crap out of their units - it's not like marching over from Minnesota through the Great Plains would be undetected - and because it's a plain, technically, that made them more a sitting duck than they would be before. Well if they managed to reach the mountains' borders somehow we could just gun them from above.

Edit: or we could just give the incentives for the oppressed to rise against their supremacist tyrant overlords. Ruining a country from inside is far more successful than outrightly getting into war with them.

[Nazeroth]

I should park an aircraft carrier next to america just to make people nervous lol or maybe nordic nations

[Strala]

You know I agree that while it is funny mass wave tactics don't work as well these days and even then when they were used by China, they had a man power practically unrivaled and could actually afford to lose those men.

Cascadia's got far more bullet than they have men. And unlike Germany with Operation Barbarossa, we actually do have the industrial and technological capacity to just bomb the crap out of their units - it's not like marching over from Minnesota through the Great Plains would be undetected - and because it's a plain, technically, that made them more a sitting duck than they would be before. Well if they managed to reach the mountains' borders somehow we could just gun them from above.

Edit: or we could just give the incentives for the oppressed to rise against their supremacist tyrant overlords. Ruining a country from inside is far more successful than outrightly getting into war with them.

True, though I might send soldiers volunteers if you want.

I should park an aircraft carrier next to america just to make people nervous lol or maybe nordic nations

Do it next to Africa. Most American Successor states have aircraft carriers of their own and the Northern Confederation has two, which are some of the, if the most advanced in the world

[Sarderia]

I should park an aircraft carrier next to america just to make people nervous lol or maybe nordic nations

Just be careful near the Pacific coast, you don't want to go anywhere near the CFS Donald Trump. It would make the seas great again with your sinking carrier - should it wander too close.

[Revlona]

I should park an aircraft carrier next to america just to make people nervous lol or maybe nordic nations

Dew it

[Strala]

Op can you please pin Plzen's GDP chart to the beginning, because I don't always want to keep searching for it in the future, which will get especially hard in the future.

[Plzen]

Would you make a list of your own political parties (including their ideologies and political positions)?

Although single-issue, regional, or otherwise minor parties also proliferate in Northern politics, they are generally of little importance at the Commonwealth level and discourse in the Nordic Council has been dominated throughout the 2050s by the conflict between five distinct alliances of parties each commanding roughly one-fifth of the votes, give or take. In descending order of seats earned at the most recent Council elections, the five blocs are:

Centre Bloc
The increasing authoritarianism of the European Union in the 2020s and the years of war thereafter forged an unlikely alliance of the liberals and the nationalists in northern European politics, committed to the defence of the northern way of life in the face of ever-heftier foreign threats arrayed against it. With an idealistic vision of the free and proud Northern citizen standing proud against a barbaric and authoritarian world, the Centre Bloc is concerned about the replacement of citizens with machines and foreigners. Thus, in contrast to their Social-Democratic coalition partners, the Centre Bloc is much concerned with human enhancements, dabbling in new educational techniques, cybernetics, genetic modifications, neurological pharmaceuticals, and other ways to keep the Northern citizen competitive against both highly developed automation technology and cheap foreign labour. Critics remain concerned, however, that in the pursuit of creating the perfect human the Centre Party may be losing sight of what makes us human in the first place.

National Conservative Alliance
With the decline of social-conservatism and religiosity across the Northern Commonwealth, the Christian-Democratic parties of Scandinavia ceased to be viable political forces in the late 2030s and was step-by-step merged into the more moderate liberal-conservative parties of the region, establishing what is known today as the Alliance. While the Bloc has dropped its opposition to the Citizen's Dividend in recent years, admitting the futility of trying to push the clock back in the face of increasing human obsolescence, it also advocates for an export-oriented economic policy and protection of those who wish to live quiet, more traditional lives. While many sympathise with the Conservative Bloc's attempts to bring about at least an illusion of a calm, quiet, and idyllic past, many believe that the vision of utopia that the Conservative Bloc tries to peddle can no longer exists in today's reality and, perhaps, never existed to begin with.

Joint List - the Blacks
The Joint List is, unlike the other four major forces in Northern politics, a genuinely new movement on the parliamentary stage. Created through an amalgation of the existing Pirate parties, new spiritual movements such as the Kopimists, and information-communication technology thinktanks like the Creative International, the Joint List believes above all in fulfilling the potential of computing. Advocating for an end to all forms of intellectual property, an end to privacy protections, an end to safety legislation and travel restrictions, and discussion-based political reforms along the British model, the Joint List advocates for a society in which information genuinely can be free, new experiences and sensations supplied in abundance, and society made able to take advantage of this freedom of knowledge without unnecessary and tyrannical restraints. The promise of the new and the sensational has attracted many young and middle-aged voters disillusioned with the state of Northern society, propelling the Joint List into one of the major forces of Northern politics.

Social-Democratic Bloc
As the oldest and historically most influential set of parties still represented in the parliaments of Northern Europe, the Social-Democratic bloc remains powerful despite being in steady decline since the 1980s. An amalgation of the social-democratic and socialist parties from all five of the Commonwealth's constituent nations, the Social-Democratic bloc maintains its commitment to a hybrid economic policy and a pluralist society to meet the social challenges of the era and was the driving force behind the institution of the Citizen's Dividend scheme that today feeds the millions of unemployed and underemployed in the Northern Commonwealth. However, some commentators, especially those dissatisfied with what they see as the increasing decadence of Northern society in recent years and the disintegration of traditional values, argue that it is the same economic and social policies pursued by the Social-Democratic bloc that has created these challenges in the first place.

Red-Green Bloc
Forged from a coalition of socialist and environmentalist parties during the years of the Central European War, the Red-Green Bloc offers a radically divergent vision of the future than that offered by other political forces. Believing that a post-industrial society must be a de-industrialised one, the Red-Greens seek to strip Northern society of the rampant materialism and consumerism that infused it in the last few decades. Further improvements in human life, the Red-Greens believe, cannot be achieved by the production of more stuff, but rather through the services that humans perform for each other and through the harmonisation of human civilisation with the natural world which it has until now treated with such disregard. While many are attracted by the utopian vision that the Red-Greens offer in these difficult times and the bloc is consequently the strongest that it has ever been, those of a more traditional bent are skeptical whether less can really mean more.

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Comments? :p

[Newne Carriebean7]

Would you make a list of your own political parties (including their ideologies and political positions)?

Ugh, fine.
Rally for the Republic
The more racist version of the KKK, the RFR is one of the oldest political parties within the Great Lakes. Birthed from a blatant rejection of Shannonite political ideology intertwined with fervent Great Lakes nationalism, the party has ties to secret religious organizations ranging from the sacred order of the harvest moon to fundamentalist branch davidians still collecting dust. Former far right Illinois national socialists, alt right members of the former Trump presidency and generally conservative republicans to former democrats in name only conservative democrats bring a tidy base of willing voters.
It's incredibly nationalistic, yet contradicts itself in wanting to pursue closer ties with foreign countries, especially with their former southern neighbors and comrades, but only to a certain degree. They've recently come out in full support for the war effort, promising a system of genocide that's efficient and fast, though they've not yet delivered on this.

Unity and Preservation
Best described as a liberal-conservative party, it's main concerns are the environment of the Great Lakes, fascist propaganda and eugenics. They see mother nature as a gift, so adopt far right rhetoric and policy positions, such as a program of national parks within the Great Lakes, with expansion plans into the breadbasket. Highly revered for their conservationist stance, they see the best american president to be Theodore Roosevelt for his conservation efforts and love of nature.

They disagree on how to fund schools,the idea of a monarch, instead opting for a triumvirate between the Prime Minister and two Governors of the most powerful states. Their primary focus is protecting the environment, and have battled the RFR for years over the adoptment of green energy, which has yield a single wind turbine on some shitty rock near Lake Superior that powers a light for an outhouse. There are tiny advances within green technology, such as the lab adaptation of oil decomposing bacteria/scientific bullshit term.
They tend to mold their opposition primarily around foreign policy, often just disagreeing on a partisan basis with the dominant RFR.

Shannonite Friendship Alliance
Someone forgot that almost everyone born here hates Shannonism, so decided to form his own fan club despite the obvious. The fan club's political ideology is a carbon copy of Shannonist principles, arguing for soft gun control and a mixed healthcare system, which would be an increase from the current healthcare system of "well shit you have no organs, pay a little bit and we'll still let you have no organs." It's membership is consistent with slightly intelligent people within the republic, with a tiny base of educated college drop outs and a few still practicing lawyers and law firms that tend to lobby bills with pro-shannonist policies attached within Parliament.

The People's Choice
A populist political movement that's scheduled to take part in parliamentarian elections for the first time, the party has tapped into discontent and disillusion with the primary "two party" system of governance within Parliament. Their nutjob spokesperson is vehemently anti-Quebec, with them being used as nice scapegoats for all the ails and political issues within the country. The party is also known for being even more racists than even the fascists or RFR.

[Chewion]

Ok it is updated. I’ll work on a post for later. Would anyone be interested in Kaiser Wilhelm doing a visit? I kinda wanna send him on a inaugural world tour. We could do co-wrote posts via Google Docs and either side can post it in a post.

[Strala]

Do I have to Op? The reorganized PRC's political party is the same as the actual PRC.

[HypErcApitAl]

What's the deal with banning Islam Quebec? Perhaps a softening of this position could bring about an alignment with London. Also what exactly is in this care package you're sending?

Quebec irl was anti-Islam.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/anti-muslim-sentiment-higher-in-quebec-than-rest-of-canada-study-finds-1.4577746
https://www.economist.com/erasmus/2017/10/20/quebecs-ban-on-face-coverings-risks-inflaming-inter-communal-tensions
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/quebec-passes-bill-62