Cold War RP: Reboot, (OPEN)

[HypErcApitAl]

I have to agree with Polaria. Basically, they're Hispania but still Pagan, so of course Rome existed, just the Polarians didn't become as Catholic and as they've said, even persecuted Catholics. And I'd hate to admit it, but we need to keep realism alive. The USSR having a civil war? Nigh impossible. Iran and OPEC being as strong as they are? Pretty unlikely considering the IRL history of the region, but it is possible. However, OPEC would be worthless until the 1960s because oil is cheap in the 1950s. Brazil not being in a civil war despite controlling Peru and Chile (two nations who don't even speak the same language) weak USA/IRA policies on communism, etc. If we're going to rant on what we can and cannot invade, then we also need to be more realistic in our events and in our nations.

I beg to differ, oil prices in 1950 is $2.77 which would be the equivalent of $29 in today's prices. Oil prices just start rising in 1974 because OPEC enforced an embargo to USA because of their support to Israel, thereby starting an oil crisis. And from 1950 to 1970 prices had remained stable. That proves that OPEC do have the leverage against other multilateral treaties and oil is as important to 1950 economy as it do now. However I concur that OPEC shouldn't have the "power" that they do, in the sense that OPEC is an economic pact and it shouldn't have as much power as NATO. So far OPEC haven't done a major impact in the world economy yet - on the contrary OPEC countries are working together to lift themselves up from France's economic crisis. So I don't get how OPEC is "so powerful" in this RP.

Source

OPEC is a club of third-world nations hoarding resources. That, in itself, messes up the Status Quo of Euramerican Hegemony.

OPEC would have to form around the 70s or 80s. Maybe as late as the 90s.

[Sarderia]

Well if you want to make a unique country could you please not take Spain, who first discovered America after the Vikings, who colonized the whole central/South america along w/the Portuguese and set up like 11 or 12 Spanish-speaking countries, all Catholic, who led the Reconquista against the Cordoba-Andalus Caliphate, nearly conquered Morocco and is renowned to be the most Catholic place in the whole European continent and say "lol no they pagan now and I gotta keep Spain's history", and you still expect people to follow.

A pagan Venus and Jupiter and Mars and other Roman gods-worshipping region in Europe lasting into the 21th century itself is unrealistic. Do you know why Louis IX declared crusade against the Cathars? Or the Teutons against Baltic states and Russian principalities? They want to stomp out all Catholic heresies from Europe. Imagine what they'll do to pagans. And for all the "Polarian Empire" thing I'd like to point out Argentina and Brazil uses Spanish and Portuguese names respectively, Algeria is majority Muslim and they're speaking French, even Italy is not Pagan.

If you really want to do a "unique country" the pick up somewhere that doesn't impact IRL history too much. Sure we have Point of Divergence but you're taking it too far mate. Pick somewhere like Australia, NZ, Patagonia, the Pacific Islands or heck even Ontario would be suitable and found your dictatorship Pagan empire there. You could make the premise as "pagans fleeing Persecution" or whatever and no one would bother. It's because those regions are made out of colonizatoon and relatively new. You expect by deleting Spain and replacing it with a country which foundations are inherently unrealistic no-one would react. That's just impossible. Sorry for that but I'm not trying to pick up a fight or antagonize you it's just realism as stated in RP rules.

Also Iran creating OPEC doesn't break the status quo, it's the Russian civil war that did. For the same reasons you could say Atlantic Pact and EETC breaking status quo but you didn't. That's because even OPEC don't want to just swing the embargo hammer or trade war hammer or else without justification, it will have repercussions just like IRL.

American Rome? They already took the US and did their American Empire.

Socialist Canada?

This timeline isn't realistic, man.

At least they're more realistic than Spain turning Pagan and all. You're crossing the line.

If you don't like Spain and don't want to RP francoist Spain then pick elsewhere, or at least turn Spain democratic or anarchist or whatever at least it still makes sense. Alternatively pick SA or Australia or whatever whose history's still a blank paper post-colonization.

Also give me one event the OPEC has upset international economy greatly. Nothing, because OPEC haven't do shit since it's founding.

Nobody even rps Australia, man. The OP had to step-in and rp them. (plus, there was a Confederacy in this timeline, if you'd want/like to get mad about Unrealism)

Confederate winning the war is plausible. Spain staying Pagan while Europe and North Africa turned christian and muslim respectively is NOT.

I beg to differ, oil prices in 1950 is $2.77 which would be the equivalent of $29 in today's prices. Oil prices just start rising in 1974 because OPEC enforced an embargo to USA because of their support to Israel, thereby starting an oil crisis. And from 1950 to 1970 prices had remained stable. That proves that OPEC do have the leverage against other multilateral treaties and oil is as important to 1950 economy as it do now. However I concur that OPEC shouldn't have the "power" that they do, in the sense that OPEC is an economic pact and it shouldn't have as much power as NATO. So far OPEC haven't done a major impact in the world economy yet - on the contrary OPEC countries are working together to lift themselves up from France's economic crisis. So I don't get how OPEC is "so powerful" in this RP.

Source

OPEC is a club of third-world nations hoarding resources. That, in itself, messes up the Status Quo of Euramerican Hegemony.

OPEC would have to form around the 70s or 80s. Maybe as late as the 90s.

OPEC was founded in 1960 IRL. I fail to see what reason inhibit it from forming as soon as 1950.

[Sarderia]

I'd have an age-old history of Monarchism, Colonizing, Imperialism and Expansionism not to mention being really greedy and just a plain-ol' Awful Empire before the Revolutionaries (modern-day Polaria), so Polaria isn't just Revolutionary Socialist and Democratic Socialist but also Feminist Libertarian and an ex-colonizer.

I like the idea of having a British-Polarian Feud and also being a Francophile. Why push me in the middle of the Pacific when the British would've exterminated my ass long ago?

Americae Roma already is unrealistic (or semi-realistic? Manifest Destiny? but they're largely based on Roman stuff)

Spain is a maternal society, but I don't want their baggage, man. Plus, Francoist Spain/Fascist Spain is boring.

The Spanish are irrelevant. So are the Portuguese.

No one RPs the city-states, so it was also fair (and easy) for me to take Andorra and the rest.

Monaco retroactively became French.

That's certainly not possible without you facing a massive revolt, like 100 Crusades and still winning, also you wouldn't have an empire spanning the New World or taking much of North America and Europe. You wouldn't be able to conquer Italy and North Africa for start, and all your New World "possessions" would quickly been gobbled out becausr your Pagan and other Europeans are devout zealot christians in the colonization age.

Plus all of South America is either spanis and portuguese now, Polaria isn't either

[Monsone]

I beg to differ, oil prices in 1950 is $2.77 which would be the equivalent of $29 in today's prices. Oil prices just start rising in 1974 because OPEC enforced an embargo to USA because of their support to Israel, thereby starting an oil crisis. And from 1950 to 1970 prices had remained stable. That proves that OPEC do have the leverage against other multilateral treaties and oil is as important to 1950 economy as it do now. However I concur that OPEC shouldn't have the "power" that they do, in the sense that OPEC is an economic pact and it shouldn't have as much power as NATO. So far OPEC haven't done a major impact in the world economy yet - on the contrary OPEC countries are working together to lift themselves up from France's economic crisis. So I don't get how OPEC is "so powerful" in this RP.

Source

Oh sure, oil at $30 a barrel. At that price, Oman, Bahrain, and Qatar all have budgetary shortfalls. An your point about stable oil prices makes no sense. OPEC IRL entered into existence in 1960, and the stable oil prices was because of a constant supply of new oil being found, with a similarly increasing demand. OPEC had nothing to do with oil price stability. If anything they destabilized prices and caused economic problems for for Europe in the 1970s. The "power" OPEC, and specifically Iran has is the iron grip on oil extraction and refinement as well as the ability for nations to unilaterally cut off a significantly stronger trading partner because of economic issues. You don't just cut out one of the World's largest economies because of a recession. Yet somehow OPEC did so with zero ill results, which is unrealistic. That is the "power" I speak of.

[Monsone]

I'd have an age-old history of Monarchism, Colonizing, Imperialism and Expansionism not to mention being really greedy and just a plain-ol' Awful Empire before the Revolutionaries (modern-day Polaria), so Polaria isn't just Revolutionary Socialist and Democratic Socialist but also Feminist Libertarian and an ex-colonizer.

I like the idea of having a British-Polarian Feud and also being a Francophile. Why push me in the middle of the Pacific when the British would've exterminated my ass long ago?

Americae Roma already is unrealistic (or semi-realistic? Manifest Destiny? but they're largely based on Roman stuff)

Spain is a maternal society, but I don't want their baggage, man. Plus, Francoist Spain/Fascist Spain is boring.

The Spanish are irrelevant. So are the Portuguese.

No one RPs the city-states, so it was also fair (and easy) for me to take Andorra and the rest.

Monaco retroactively became French.

If the royal family of Monaco dies off, the land becomes French. That is a real law that has existed since the mid 19th century. So a French Monaco is quite probable, but won't change the world much.

[HypErcApitAl]

American Rome? They already took the US and did their American Empire.

Socialist Canada?

This timeline isn't realistic, man.

At least they're more realistic than Spain turning Pagan and all. You're crossing the line.

If you don't like Spain and don't want to RP francoist Spain then pick elsewhere, or at least turn Spain democratic or anarchist or whatever at least it still makes sense. Alternatively pick SA or Australia or whatever whose history's still a blank paper post-colonization.

Also give me one event the OPEC has upset international economy greatly. Nothing, because OPEC haven't do shit since it's founding.

Nobody even rps Australia, man. The OP had to step-in and rp them. (plus, there was a Confederacy in this timeline, if you'd want/like to get mad about Unrealism)

Confederate winning the war is plausible. Spain staying Pagan while Europe and North Africa turned christian and muslim respectively is NOT.

OPEC is a club of third-world nations hoarding resources. That, in itself, messes up the Status Quo of Euramerican Hegemony.

OPEC would have to form around the 70s or 80s. Maybe as late as the 90s.

OPEC was founded in 1960 IRL. I fail to see what reason inhibit it from forming as soon as 1950.

Democratic Socialism is a good middle-ground to the USSR's Communist-Socialism and the USA's Democratic-Republicanism.

It also became good to me to make Polaria FemLib because this is the freaking thirties and Sexism (actual sexism,not "sexism" made up by BuzzFeed and Anita Sarkeesian) exists. It'd be cool to have a country in Europe that championed Womens' Rights and whatnot. It'd also be cool to have a female leader.

Why in the fuck are the Polarians revolutionary and want to destroy/abolish/quash/demolish Monarchism and whatnot? The Polarian Empire and the Monarchy being really aggressive and anti-Freedom. Plus, it makes a good subtext. I have a good plot. You're just mad b/c Pagans would still exist meaning that Europe would be Liberal/Progressive earlier instead of becoming Liberal during the French Revolution. Paganism and other Alternatives to Christian-Catholicism/Judeochristianity and Islam/Abrahamic Religions would make a good traditionalist-antitraditionalist thing.

There was a Korea player. He was the DPRK plus RoK plus Japan.

There was other "unrealistic" countries before me, (like the Nazis somehow fleeing to Jan Mayen) so I find no issue in it.

No one RPs Spain. Most of the action is in France, the UK, Germany, and Russia. Those are the most-played European countries. Maybe Italy, sometimes, though.

Delete "spain," make an interesting plot and subtext, have neutrals (since there is no Yugoslavia), have a female-led nation? Sounds excellent to me.

[HypErcApitAl]

I'd have an age-old history of Monarchism, Colonizing, Imperialism and Expansionism not to mention being really greedy and just a plain-ol' Awful Empire before the Revolutionaries (modern-day Polaria), so Polaria isn't just Revolutionary Socialist and Democratic Socialist but also Feminist Libertarian and an ex-colonizer.

I like the idea of having a British-Polarian Feud and also being a Francophile. Why push me in the middle of the Pacific when the British would've exterminated my ass long ago?

Americae Roma already is unrealistic (or semi-realistic? Manifest Destiny? but they're largely based on Roman stuff)

Spain is a maternal society, but I don't want their baggage, man. Plus, Francoist Spain/Fascist Spain is boring.

The Spanish are irrelevant. So are the Portuguese.

No one RPs the city-states, so it was also fair (and easy) for me to take Andorra and the rest.

Monaco retroactively became French.

If the royal family of Monaco dies off, the land becomes French. That is a real law that has existed since the mid 19th century. So a French Monaco is quite probable, but won't change the world much.

I have no problem/complaint w/ that. Also makes sense, seeing that no one rps Monaco.

[Sarderia]

I beg to differ, oil prices in 1950 is $2.77 which would be the equivalent of $29 in today's prices. Oil prices just start rising in 1974 because OPEC enforced an embargo to USA because of their support to Israel, thereby starting an oil crisis. And from 1950 to 1970 prices had remained stable. That proves that OPEC do have the leverage against other multilateral treaties and oil is as important to 1950 economy as it do now. However I concur that OPEC shouldn't have the "power" that they do, in the sense that OPEC is an economic pact and it shouldn't have as much power as NATO. So far OPEC haven't done a major impact in the world economy yet - on the contrary OPEC countries are working together to lift themselves up from France's economic crisis. So I don't get how OPEC is "so powerful" in this RP.

Source

Oh sure, oil at $30 a barrel. At that price, Oman, Bahrain, and Qatar all have budgetary shortfalls. An your point about stable oil prices makes no sense. OPEC IRL entered into existence in 1960, and the stable oil prices was because of a constant supply of new oil being found, with a similarly increasing demand. OPEC had nothing to do with oil price stability. If anything they destabilized prices and caused economic problems for for Europe in the 1970s. The "power" OPEC, and specifically Iran has is the iron grip on oil extraction and refinement as well as the ability for nations to unilaterally cut off a significantly stronger trading partner because of economic issues. You don't just cut out one of the World's largest economies because of a recession. Yet somehow OPEC did so with zero ill results, which is unrealistic. That is the "power" I speak of.

If you read it carefully, the mission of OPEC is to become the world'e foremost trading bloc, which given OPEC had just been founded past IC month is impossible. Sure oil reserves are constantly being found, but most of them occurs in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Kuwait - all my territory. It is why nations like Bahrain and Kuwait managed to rose into economic importance between 1950 to 1990, only on the span of 4 decades. Most of oil that is being produced in the world right now comes from Iran. Iranian oil is what give the Seven Sisters a practical monopoly (oil cartel) before the foundation of OPEC - and the Seven Sisters are replaced by OPEC in this timeline (due to tighter Iranian regulations and the apparent inactivity of USA). So yes, OPEC do have the power of controlling most of the world's oil supply - emphasis on most because OPEC is the only non-aligned bloc selling oil (apart from Indonesia). The other alternatives such as Alberta and Texas are firmly on NATO hands (which would be beneficial to EETC of course), or Kazakhstan and Azerbajian (in Soviet hands). All other are possessions of the British Empire (UAE, Qatar, Nigeria) which seems not to have taken a major role in EETC.

Also, I'd like to point out that currently EETC means "only France" as Iran has negotiated bilateral agreements with other European countries we find beneficial in trading with, for example Germany.

At least they're more realistic than Spain turning Pagan and all. You're crossing the line.

If you don't like Spain and don't want to RP francoist Spain then pick elsewhere, or at least turn Spain democratic or anarchist or whatever at least it still makes sense. Alternatively pick SA or Australia or whatever whose history's still a blank paper post-colonization.

Also give me one event the OPEC has upset international economy greatly. Nothing, because OPEC haven't do shit since it's founding.

Confederate winning the war is plausible. Spain staying Pagan while Europe and North Africa turned christian and muslim respectively is NOT.

OPEC was founded in 1960 IRL. I fail to see what reason inhibit it from forming as soon as 1950.

Democratic Socialism is a good middle-ground to the USSR's Communist-Socialism and the USA's Democratic-Republicanism.

It also became good to me to make Polaria FemLib because this is the freaking thirties and Sexism (actual sexism,not "sexism" made up by BuzzFeed and Anita Sarkeesian) exists. It'd be cool to have a country in Europe that championed Womens' Rights and whatnot. It'd also be cool to have a female leader.

Why in the fuck are the Polarians revolutionary and want to destroy/abolish/quash/demolish Monarchism and whatnot? The Polarian Empire and the Monarchy being really aggressive and anti-Freedom. Plus, it makes a good subtext. I have a good plot. You're just mad b/c Pagans would still exist meaning that Europe would be Liberal/Progressive earlier instead of becoming Liberal during the French Revolution. Paganism and other Alternatives to Christian-Catholicism/Judeochristianity and Islam/Abrahamic Religions would make a good traditionalist-antitraditionalist thing.

There was a Korea player. He was the DPRK plus RoK plus Japan.

There was other "unrealistic" countries before me, (like the Nazis somehow fleeing to Jan Mayen) so I find no issue in it.

No one RPs Spain. Most of the action is in France, the UK, Germany, and Russia. Those are the most-played European countries. Maybe Italy, sometimes, though.

Delete "spain," make an interesting plot and subtext, have neutrals (since there is no Yugoslavia), have a female-led nation? Sounds excellent to me.

You have the perfect avenue to found a Democratic Socialist, Feminist and Libartarian state and you decided to trash it in order to pursue Venus-worship. My only problem is with your history trashing Christianity and Islam (which is inherently unrealistic) not your ideologies or whatever.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

So is South Africa invading Africa or not? Did the invasion start if yes?

[HypErcApitAl]

I'd have an age-old history of Monarchism, Colonizing, Imperialism and Expansionism not to mention being really greedy and just a plain-ol' Awful Empire before the Revolutionaries (modern-day Polaria), so Polaria isn't just Revolutionary Socialist and Democratic Socialist but also Feminist Libertarian and an ex-colonizer.

I like the idea of having a British-Polarian Feud and also being a Francophile. Why push me in the middle of the Pacific when the British would've exterminated my ass long ago?

Americae Roma already is unrealistic (or semi-realistic? Manifest Destiny? but they're largely based on Roman stuff)

Spain is a maternal society, but I don't want their baggage, man. Plus, Francoist Spain/Fascist Spain is boring.

The Spanish are irrelevant. So are the Portuguese.

No one RPs the city-states, so it was also fair (and easy) for me to take Andorra and the rest.

Monaco retroactively became French.

That's certainly not possible without you facing a massive revolt, like 100 Crusades and still winning, also you wouldn't have an empire spanning the New World or taking much of North America and Europe. You wouldn't be able to conquer Italy and North Africa for start, and all your New World "possessions" would quickly been gobbled out becausr your Pagan and other Europeans are devout zealot christians in the colonization age.

Plus all of South America is either spanis and portuguese now, Polaria isn't either

Polaria didn't "conquer" Italy; they already were Polarian. (and probably also b/c of the Roman Empire collapsing)

It's possible to have tribes and whatnot "spawn" with those lands instead of those lands being tooken by foreign invaders. Germania was pagan tribes that had the entirety of North Europe.

The Celts are Pagan and Germanic. The English got vassalized and colonized by the Vikings/Danish. Londonium was already Roman. Rome took everything south of Scot and made barely a wall/partition.

Southern and Mesoamerica would either be tribal (Mexicali, Aztec, Inca and so on) which would make no sense, or the English, French and others would swoop in and take those lands, which also makes no sense. The Polarian Empire would make the most sense taking those lands. Also because the Polarian Monarchy is greedy.

The Sanmarinese being Polarian makes sense. Polaria invading the Papal States also makes sense. Malta being a vital island and whatnot also makes sense.

Polaria held all of Iberia. I'm pretty-sure that if the Polarians regained stability after the Empire's collapse and Polaria becoming Revolutionary (killing-off the Empire and all sense of Polarian Monarchism), then it'd make tons of sense for the Polarian Revolutionaries/Republicans to want to reacquire Gibraltar.

Portugal was already Polarian. When the Polarian Empire fell, Portugal didn't throw away Polarian culture but instead became a parody or spin-off of it (but not a "parody" like the US being a parody of the English, but like if France collapsed, the Britons in Brittany breaking away, France becoming restabilized and then the Britons in Brittany rejoining.)

France was never Polarian. Polaria just has all of the Iberian stuff (since, at a time, Spain controlled Italy) and parts of Northwestern Africa. Like I said, I could see them colonizing the New World and also forming a trade hub. (I mean, the English, French and other empires had trade hubs or companies, why not the Polarians?)

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Mesoamerica/Latin America pre-Iberian Union and Christian-Catholicism, man. The Aztecs, Inca and whatnot did all sorts of crazy shit religiously.

It still makes sense that Mesoamerica post-Polaria could make their own language and their language essentially being a spoof of Polarian. Since Spain doesn't exist, it'd make tons of sense for Mesoamerica to still get colonized, and to still get colonized by the Polarians.

Europe was mostly Pagan, man. I can still see some Christianity and Catholicism making its way to Europe, but I can't see the vestiges of it in the Mideast not getting killed-off by the Rashidi Caliphate or Ottomans or whoever was there. Islam would've also fought against Christianity and Christian influences.

Any sane tribal or peoples would've fought off any invading religion. Even if Paganism or what-have-you was a part of their culture for Venus-knows-how-long, they still could've fought them off. Rome still very-much could've been Christian. I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing the Dark Ages and everything after the fall of Rome. I'm disputing how a strong Pagan force would've/could've got cucked by the Pope.

Paganism is strong. Shit, the Pagans influenced so much. Paganism even influenced Christianity and Christianity even took some Pagan beliefs and practices (like Easter)

[HypErcApitAl]

Oh sure, oil at $30 a barrel. At that price, Oman, Bahrain, and Qatar all have budgetary shortfalls. An your point about stable oil prices makes no sense. OPEC IRL entered into existence in 1960, and the stable oil prices was because of a constant supply of new oil being found, with a similarly increasing demand. OPEC had nothing to do with oil price stability. If anything they destabilized prices and caused economic problems for for Europe in the 1970s. The "power" OPEC, and specifically Iran has is the iron grip on oil extraction and refinement as well as the ability for nations to unilaterally cut off a significantly stronger trading partner because of economic issues. You don't just cut out one of the World's largest economies because of a recession. Yet somehow OPEC did so with zero ill results, which is unrealistic. That is the "power" I speak of.

If you read it carefully, the mission of OPEC is to become the world'e foremost trading bloc, which given OPEC had just been founded past IC month is impossible. Sure oil reserves are constantly being found, but most of them occurs in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Kuwait - all my territory. It is why nations like Bahrain and Kuwait managed to rose into economic importance between 1950 to 1990, only on the span of 4 decades. Most of oil that is being produced in the world right now comes from Iran. Iranian oil is what give the Seven Sisters a practical monopoly (oil cartel) before the foundation of OPEC - and the Seven Sisters are replaced by OPEC in this timeline (due to tighter Iranian regulations and the apparent inactivity of USA). So yes, OPEC do have the power of controlling most of the world's oil supply - emphasis on most because OPEC is the only non-aligned bloc selling oil (apart from Indonesia). The other alternatives such as Alberta and Texas are firmly on NATO hands (which would be beneficial to EETC of course), or Kazakhstan and Azerbajian (in Soviet hands). All other are possessions of the British Empire (UAE, Qatar, Nigeria) which seems not to have taken a major role in EETC.

Also, I'd like to point out that currently EETC means "only France" as Iran has negotiated bilateral agreements with other European countries we find beneficial in trading with, for example Germany.

Democratic Socialism is a good middle-ground to the USSR's Communist-Socialism and the USA's Democratic-Republicanism.

It also became good to me to make Polaria FemLib because this is the freaking thirties and Sexism (actual sexism,not "sexism" made up by BuzzFeed and Anita Sarkeesian) exists. It'd be cool to have a country in Europe that championed Womens' Rights and whatnot. It'd also be cool to have a female leader.

Why in the fuck are the Polarians revolutionary and want to destroy/abolish/quash/demolish Monarchism and whatnot? The Polarian Empire and the Monarchy being really aggressive and anti-Freedom. Plus, it makes a good subtext. I have a good plot. You're just mad b/c Pagans would still exist meaning that Europe would be Liberal/Progressive earlier instead of becoming Liberal during the French Revolution. Paganism and other Alternatives to Christian-Catholicism/Judeochristianity and Islam/Abrahamic Religions would make a good traditionalist-antitraditionalist thing.

There was a Korea player. He was the DPRK plus RoK plus Japan.

There was other "unrealistic" countries before me, (like the Nazis somehow fleeing to Jan Mayen) so I find no issue in it.

No one RPs Spain. Most of the action is in France, the UK, Germany, and Russia. Those are the most-played European countries. Maybe Italy, sometimes, though.

Delete "spain," make an interesting plot and subtext, have neutrals (since there is no Yugoslavia), have a female-led nation? Sounds excellent to me.

You have the perfect avenue to found a Democratic Socialist, Feminist and Libartarian state and you decided to trash it in order to pursue Venus-worship. My only problem is with your history trashing Christianity and Islam (which is inherently unrealistic) not your ideologies or whatever.

I have a problem w/ essentially being quasi-Spain, not w/ being DemSoc and FemLib.

[HypErcApitAl]

Which, I am not the Spanish SR.

Polaria is firmly DemSoc, and now, w/ the Commonwealth document and also being Socialist-skeptic, starting to have issues even in that department.

Polaria never supported Anarcho-Communists or Polarian Communist-Socialists. Infact, Elena and Alora and others have said why Polaria never went full Commie.

Now, we're drifting from being Socialist (both DemSoc and RevSoc) but just use Social rhetoric.

[Sarderia]

That's certainly not possible without you facing a massive revolt, like 100 Crusades and still winning, also you wouldn't have an empire spanning the New World or taking much of North America and Europe. You wouldn't be able to conquer Italy and North Africa for start, and all your New World "possessions" would quickly been gobbled out becausr your Pagan and other Europeans are devout zealot christians in the colonization age.

Plus all of South America is either spanis and portuguese now, Polaria isn't either

Polaria didn't "conquer" Italy; they already were Polarian. (and probably also b/c of the Roman Empire collapsing)

It's possible to have tribes and whatnot "spawn" with those lands instead of those lands being tooken by foreign invaders. Germania was pagan tribes that had the entirety of North Europe.

The Celts are Pagan and Germanic. The English got vassalized and colonized by the Vikings/Danish. Londonium was already Roman. Rome took everything south of Scot and made barely a wall/partition.

Southern and Mesoamerica would either be tribal (Mexicali, Aztec, Inca and so on) which would make no sense, or the English, French and others would swoop in and take those lands, which also makes no sense. The Polarian Empire would make the most sense taking those lands. Also because the Polarian Monarchy is greedy.

The Sanmarinese being Polarian makes sense. Polaria invading the Papal States also makes sense. Malta being a vital island and whatnot also makes sense.

Polaria held all of Iberia. I'm pretty-sure that if the Polarians regained stability after the Empire's collapse and Polaria becoming Revolutionary (killing-off the Empire and all sense of Polarian Monarchism), then it'd make tons of sense for the Polarian Revolutionaries/Republicans to want to reacquire Gibraltar.

Portugal was already Polarian. When the Polarian Empire fell, Portugal didn't throw away Polarian culture but instead became a parody or spin-off of it (but not a "parody" like the US being a parody of the English, but like if France collapsed, the Britons in Brittany breaking away, France becoming restabilized and then the Britons in Brittany rejoining.)

France was never Polarian. Polaria just has all of the Iberian stuff (since, at a time, Spain controlled Italy) and parts of Northwestern Africa. Like I said, I could see them colonizing the New World and also forming a trade hub. (I mean, the English, French and other empires had trade hubs or companies, why not the Polarians?)

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Mesoamerica/Latin America pre-Iberian Union and Christian-Catholicism, man. The Aztecs, Inca and whatnot did all sorts of crazy shit religiously.

It still makes sense that Mesoamerica post-Polaria could make their own language and their language essentially being a spoof of Polarian. Since Spain doesn't exist, it'd make tons of sense for Mesoamerica to still get colonized, and to still get colonized by the Polarians.

Europe was mostly Pagan, man. I can still see some Christianity and Catholicism making its way to Europe, but I can't see the vestiges of it in the Mideast not getting killed-off by the Rashidi Caliphate or Ottomans or whoever was there. Islam would've also fought against Christianity and Christian influences.

Any sane tribal or peoples would've fought off any invading religion. Even if Paganism or what-have-you was a part of their culture for Venus-knows-how-long, they still could've fought them off. Rome still very-much could've been Christian. I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing the Dark Ages and everything after the fall of Rome. I'm disputing how a strong Pagan force would've/could've got cucked by the Pope.

Paganism is strong. Shit, the Pagans influenced so much. Paganism even influenced Christianity and Christianity even took some Pagan beliefs and practices (like Easter)

You still don't get it do you? None of that ever happens, period. Everything goes as IRL they turned out. Constantine the Great made Christianity an official religion, Council of Chalcedon and Nicea happens, and everything. Heck the German invaders were Christian, they're Arians while the Romans are Chalcedonists. Pretty much everyone accepted Christianity peacefully. None of what you stated makes sense.

Europe is Christian and North Africa Muslim period. Polaria never had Italy or South America because all of them are Catholic and Latin. Polaria only had Iberia, and only it. That would explain how Polaria stayed pagan (it's very, very unrealistic but that is a good compromise).

[Monsone]

Oh sure, oil at $30 a barrel. At that price, Oman, Bahrain, and Qatar all have budgetary shortfalls. An your point about stable oil prices makes no sense. OPEC IRL entered into existence in 1960, and the stable oil prices was because of a constant supply of new oil being found, with a similarly increasing demand. OPEC had nothing to do with oil price stability. If anything they destabilized prices and caused economic problems for for Europe in the 1970s. The "power" OPEC, and specifically Iran has is the iron grip on oil extraction and refinement as well as the ability for nations to unilaterally cut off a significantly stronger trading partner because of economic issues. You don't just cut out one of the World's largest economies because of a recession. Yet somehow OPEC did so with zero ill results, which is unrealistic. That is the "power" I speak of.

If you read it carefully, the mission of OPEC is to become the world'e foremost trading bloc, which given OPEC had just been founded past IC month is impossible. Sure oil reserves are constantly being found, but most of them occurs in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Kuwait - all my territory. It is why nations like Bahrain and Kuwait managed to rose into economic importance between 1950 to 1990, only on the span of 4 decades. Most of oil that is being produced in the world right now comes from Iran. Iranian oil is what give the Seven Sisters a practical monopoly (oil cartel) before the foundation of OPEC - and the Seven Sisters are replaced by OPEC in this timeline (due to tighter Iranian regulations and the apparent inactivity of USA). So yes, OPEC do have the power of controlling most of the world's oil supply - emphasis on most because OPEC is the only non-aligned bloc selling oil (apart from Indonesia). The other alternatives such as Alberta and Texas are firmly on NATO hands (which would be beneficial to EETC of course), or Kazakhstan and Azerbajian (in Soviet hands). All other are possessions of the British Empire (UAE, Qatar, Nigeria) which seems not to have taken a major role in EETC.

Also, I'd like to point out that currently EETC means "only France" as Iran has negotiated bilateral agreements with other European countries we find beneficial in trading with, for example Germany.

If you want to become a trading bloc and not what amounts to an oil cartel, then you can't use the name OPEC. The acronym is specifically for oil producing nations, and not a coherent trading bloc. I'd suggest you rename your organization because it clearly isn't about just petroleum, like OPEC is IRL. I'll also stress when you mention OPEC controls the largest oil reserves in the world, you're referring to yourself (Iran). No other OPEC member has anywhere near that amount of oil. So the O in OPEC really just stands for Iran because no other country is even able to compete with Iran.

And that's the problem. Because Iran basically controls the majority of the worlds oil, it of course it will make other countries nervous. The idea that there is no fallback option when it comes to oil supplies save for the USA, Canada, and Venezuela is pretty scary IMO for any European nation with no significant oil reserves. And you can't reassure a nation by saying you won't cut off their oil supply because you can, and maybe even will. And nations fear that. It's a great strategy for Iran, but it hurts the world at large. And if you mess with the wrong nations, it could end very poorly for you since most of the oil producing areas of Iran aren't majority Iranian to begin with. All I'm saying is, you may want to let go of some oil producing lands because holding people hostage to oil is not conducive to rational thinking. And when a country's government thinks irrationally, things will probably end poorly.

[HypErcApitAl]

I'm also disputing Polaria and Polarian citizens being mostly Liberal and Prog.

That has been Polaria, even for a long-ass time. Paganism makes religious sense in that regard. Polarian culture and society is very progressive.

Polaria had only went Rev and far-left since the Monarchists were horrific and far-right barbarians. Monarchism is Authoritarian, too (but w/ different variants of Authoritarianism)

Polaria never condoned the Anarcho-Communists or Communist-Socialists in its borders. They only leaned towards European Communism-Socialism since Lenin and whatnot are fellow Revolutionaries. Also, Russia had a long Monarchist history.

Socialism failed Polaria, but the only reason Polaria was Soc was because Socialism was anti-status quo and Avant-Garde, which Polarians have a history of being Avant-Garde, weird, pecular and whatnot.

Paganism also helps that weirdness out.

[HypErcApitAl]

Polaria didn't "conquer" Italy; they already were Polarian. (and probably also b/c of the Roman Empire collapsing)

It's possible to have tribes and whatnot "spawn" with those lands instead of those lands being tooken by foreign invaders. Germania was pagan tribes that had the entirety of North Europe.

The Celts are Pagan and Germanic. The English got vassalized and colonized by the Vikings/Danish. Londonium was already Roman. Rome took everything south of Scot and made barely a wall/partition.

Southern and Mesoamerica would either be tribal (Mexicali, Aztec, Inca and so on) which would make no sense, or the English, French and others would swoop in and take those lands, which also makes no sense. The Polarian Empire would make the most sense taking those lands. Also because the Polarian Monarchy is greedy.

The Sanmarinese being Polarian makes sense. Polaria invading the Papal States also makes sense. Malta being a vital island and whatnot also makes sense.

Polaria held all of Iberia. I'm pretty-sure that if the Polarians regained stability after the Empire's collapse and Polaria becoming Revolutionary (killing-off the Empire and all sense of Polarian Monarchism), then it'd make tons of sense for the Polarian Revolutionaries/Republicans to want to reacquire Gibraltar.

Portugal was already Polarian. When the Polarian Empire fell, Portugal didn't throw away Polarian culture but instead became a parody or spin-off of it (but not a "parody" like the US being a parody of the English, but like if France collapsed, the Britons in Brittany breaking away, France becoming restabilized and then the Britons in Brittany rejoining.)

France was never Polarian. Polaria just has all of the Iberian stuff (since, at a time, Spain controlled Italy) and parts of Northwestern Africa. Like I said, I could see them colonizing the New World and also forming a trade hub. (I mean, the English, French and other empires had trade hubs or companies, why not the Polarians?)

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Mesoamerica/Latin America pre-Iberian Union and Christian-Catholicism, man. The Aztecs, Inca and whatnot did all sorts of crazy shit religiously.

It still makes sense that Mesoamerica post-Polaria could make their own language and their language essentially being a spoof of Polarian. Since Spain doesn't exist, it'd make tons of sense for Mesoamerica to still get colonized, and to still get colonized by the Polarians.

Europe was mostly Pagan, man. I can still see some Christianity and Catholicism making its way to Europe, but I can't see the vestiges of it in the Mideast not getting killed-off by the Rashidi Caliphate or Ottomans or whoever was there. Islam would've also fought against Christianity and Christian influences.

Any sane tribal or peoples would've fought off any invading religion. Even if Paganism or what-have-you was a part of their culture for Venus-knows-how-long, they still could've fought them off. Rome still very-much could've been Christian. I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing the Dark Ages and everything after the fall of Rome. I'm disputing how a strong Pagan force would've/could've got cucked by the Pope.

Paganism is strong. Shit, the Pagans influenced so much. Paganism even influenced Christianity and Christianity even took some Pagan beliefs and practices (like Easter)

You still don't get it do you? None of that ever happens, period. Everything goes as IRL they turned out. Constantine the Great made Christianity an official religion, Council of Chalcedon and Nicea happens, and everything. Heck the German invaders were Christian, they're Arians while the Romans are Chalcedonists. Pretty much everyone accepted Christianity peacefully. None of what you stated makes sense.

Europe is Christian and North Africa Muslim period. Polaria never had Italy or South America because all of them are Catholic and Latin. Polaria only had Iberia, and only it. That would explain how Polaria stayed pagan (it's very, very unrealistic but that is a good compromise).

That also doesn't work, because of how the Polarian Monarchy acted.

[HypErcApitAl]

Polaria didn't "conquer" Italy; they already were Polarian. (and probably also b/c of the Roman Empire collapsing)

It's possible to have tribes and whatnot "spawn" with those lands instead of those lands being tooken by foreign invaders. Germania was pagan tribes that had the entirety of North Europe.

The Celts are Pagan and Germanic. The English got vassalized and colonized by the Vikings/Danish. Londonium was already Roman. Rome took everything south of Scot and made barely a wall/partition.

Southern and Mesoamerica would either be tribal (Mexicali, Aztec, Inca and so on) which would make no sense, or the English, French and others would swoop in and take those lands, which also makes no sense. The Polarian Empire would make the most sense taking those lands. Also because the Polarian Monarchy is greedy.

The Sanmarinese being Polarian makes sense. Polaria invading the Papal States also makes sense. Malta being a vital island and whatnot also makes sense.

Polaria held all of Iberia. I'm pretty-sure that if the Polarians regained stability after the Empire's collapse and Polaria becoming Revolutionary (killing-off the Empire and all sense of Polarian Monarchism), then it'd make tons of sense for the Polarian Revolutionaries/Republicans to want to reacquire Gibraltar.

Portugal was already Polarian. When the Polarian Empire fell, Portugal didn't throw away Polarian culture but instead became a parody or spin-off of it (but not a "parody" like the US being a parody of the English, but like if France collapsed, the Britons in Brittany breaking away, France becoming restabilized and then the Britons in Brittany rejoining.)

France was never Polarian. Polaria just has all of the Iberian stuff (since, at a time, Spain controlled Italy) and parts of Northwestern Africa. Like I said, I could see them colonizing the New World and also forming a trade hub. (I mean, the English, French and other empires had trade hubs or companies, why not the Polarians?)

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Mesoamerica/Latin America pre-Iberian Union and Christian-Catholicism, man. The Aztecs, Inca and whatnot did all sorts of crazy shit religiously.

It still makes sense that Mesoamerica post-Polaria could make their own language and their language essentially being a spoof of Polarian. Since Spain doesn't exist, it'd make tons of sense for Mesoamerica to still get colonized, and to still get colonized by the Polarians.

Europe was mostly Pagan, man. I can still see some Christianity and Catholicism making its way to Europe, but I can't see the vestiges of it in the Mideast not getting killed-off by the Rashidi Caliphate or Ottomans or whoever was there. Islam would've also fought against Christianity and Christian influences.

Any sane tribal or peoples would've fought off any invading religion. Even if Paganism or what-have-you was a part of their culture for Venus-knows-how-long, they still could've fought them off. Rome still very-much could've been Christian. I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing the Dark Ages and everything after the fall of Rome. I'm disputing how a strong Pagan force would've/could've got cucked by the Pope.

Paganism is strong. Shit, the Pagans influenced so much. Paganism even influenced Christianity and Christianity even took some Pagan beliefs and practices (like Easter)

You still don't get it do you? None of that ever happens, period. Everything goes as IRL they turned out. Constantine the Great made Christianity an official religion, Council of Chalcedon and Nicea happens, and everything. Heck the German invaders were Christian, they're Arians while the Romans are Chalcedonists. Pretty much everyone accepted Christianity peacefully. None of what you stated makes sense.

Europe is Christian and North Africa Muslim period. Polaria never had Italy or South America because all of them are Catholic and Latin. Polaria only had Iberia, and only it. That would explain how Polaria stayed pagan (it's very, very unrealistic but that is a good compromise).

South America/Mesoamerica has no reason to go Christian if they were never colonized, dude.

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

Few things to address here:

The OP should probably address the maximum amount of time a nation is allowed to respond to an attack before it is assumed they abstain from responding. This will cease any accusations of god-modding regarding people attacking a nation and not letting them respond (even though nations like Argentina have not made a single post for almost a week) and will actually allow the RP to continue moving. There are plenty of wars that should be happening right now (Invasion of DRA, Soviet Civil War), but nothing is really posted about them due to the biggest participants not posting much.

Another nation removal is probably just around the corner as there are a few nations that have gone pretty inactive (at least a week long).

Brazil, attack Uruguay, and expect your emperor's head on a pole in two or three months.

By the way Monsone, I was thinking of posting something to the UN forum about the invasion of Korea, but it didn't really make sense according to Uruguay.

[Sarderia]

You still don't get it do you? None of that ever happens, period. Everything goes as IRL they turned out. Constantine the Great made Christianity an official religion, Council of Chalcedon and Nicea happens, and everything. Heck the German invaders were Christian, they're Arians while the Romans are Chalcedonists. Pretty much everyone accepted Christianity peacefully. None of what you stated makes sense.

Europe is Christian and North Africa Muslim period. Polaria never had Italy or South America because all of them are Catholic and Latin. Polaria only had Iberia, and only it. That would explain how Polaria stayed pagan (it's very, very unrealistic but that is a good compromise).

South America/Mesoamerica has no reason to go Christian if they were never colonized, dude.

And yet it is Christian. All South American countries are Catholic.

Also the Polarian Monarchy didn't act anything if there's no historical proof to back that, especially the Americas where it's nearly all Spanish, Portuguese and Catholic.

[HypErcApitAl]

The Polarian Monarchy were a bunch of colonialist, imperialist, expansionist scumbags. They're evil as hell. They've oppressed their citizenry (the Commoners) and that's that. They were a very local minority of douches that got overthrown by Revolutionaries.

Like France said, Europe still could've had some Catholic-Christian/Judeochristian influence and maybe even some hiding, but Europe was widely Pagan and could've also fought-off any attempts to convert it.

[HypErcApitAl]

South America/Mesoamerica has no reason to go Christian if they were never colonized, dude.

And yet it is Christian. All South American countries are Catholic.

Also the Polarian Monarchy didn't act anything if there's no historical proof to back that, especially the Americas where it's nearly all Spanish, Portuguese and Catholic.

That's my lore, dude. You can't pull an IngSoc and say that had never happened.

[HypErcApitAl]

That's the why and how of Revolutionary/Republican Polaria, and that'd make the most sense.

I've said that shit countless times in the IC, and even countless times in the OOC at this point.

[Sarderia]

If you read it carefully, the mission of OPEC is to become the world'e foremost trading bloc, which given OPEC had just been founded past IC month is impossible. Sure oil reserves are constantly being found, but most of them occurs in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Kuwait - all my territory. It is why nations like Bahrain and Kuwait managed to rose into economic importance between 1950 to 1990, only on the span of 4 decades. Most of oil that is being produced in the world right now comes from Iran. Iranian oil is what give the Seven Sisters a practical monopoly (oil cartel) before the foundation of OPEC - and the Seven Sisters are replaced by OPEC in this timeline (due to tighter Iranian regulations and the apparent inactivity of USA). So yes, OPEC do have the power of controlling most of the world's oil supply - emphasis on most because OPEC is the only non-aligned bloc selling oil (apart from Indonesia). The other alternatives such as Alberta and Texas are firmly on NATO hands (which would be beneficial to EETC of course), or Kazakhstan and Azerbajian (in Soviet hands). All other are possessions of the British Empire (UAE, Qatar, Nigeria) which seems not to have taken a major role in EETC.

Also, I'd like to point out that currently EETC means "only France" as Iran has negotiated bilateral agreements with other European countries we find beneficial in trading with, for example Germany.

If you want to become a trading bloc and not what amounts to an oil cartel, then you can't use the name OPEC. The acronym is specifically for oil producing nations, and not a coherent trading bloc. I'd suggest you rename your organization because it clearly isn't about just petroleum, like OPEC is IRL. I'll also stress when you mention OPEC controls the largest oil reserves in the world, you're referring to yourself (Iran). No other OPEC member has anywhere near that amount of oil. So the O in OPEC really just stands for Iran because no other country is even able to compete with Iran.

And that's the problem. Because Iran basically controls the majority of the worlds oil, it of course it will make other countries nervous. The idea that there is no fallback option when it comes to oil supplies save for the USA, Canada, and Venezuela is pretty scary IMO for any European nation with no significant oil reserves. And you can't reassure a nation by saying you won't cut off their oil supply because you can, and maybe even will. And nations fear that. It's a great strategy for Iran, but it hurts the world at large. And if you mess with the wrong nations, it could end very poorly for you since most of the oil producing areas of Iran aren't majority Iranian to begin with. All I'm saying is, you may want to let go of some oil producing lands because holding people hostage to oil is not conducive to rational thinking. And when a country's government thinks irrationally, things will probably end poorly.

For starters, Turkey, India and the OPEC invitee Brazil do hold a significant oil reserve. The Turkish even had half of Kurdistan which is one of Iraq's major oil-producing regions. And no, there is no chance Iran would ever release any of it's holdings, since the Middle East has proven to be a significant leverage to Iran.

OPEC embargo, economic sanctions and all is decided by a resolution vote. Even though Iran is a founding member it cannot influence the decisions of OPEC explicitly. As stated in the charter all members mist abide by OPEC resolutions, and all members have the right to vote on a given resolution.

And yet it is Christian. All South American countries are Catholic.

Also the Polarian Monarchy didn't act anything if there's no historical proof to back that, especially the Americas where it's nearly all Spanish, Portuguese and Catholic.

That's my lore, dude. You can't pull an IngSoc and say that had never happened.

Brazil, Argentina and Bolivia are enough proof of that. France's Algerian possessions is muslim. Sounds like that history never happened.

And also you are partially interfering with my lore, the British are Anglican and they spread christianity to Iran

[HypErcApitAl]

I'm not the Britain player. I don't care what the British did.

[HypErcApitAl]

I only care for/about everything that explains Revolutionary Polaria and the Polarian peoples' sentiment.

How are the Polarians socially/culturally?

Liberal and Progressive.

What religion/culture/set-of-beliefs leans towards that?

Paganism, but specifically Greco-Roman Mythos.

How did Polaria become what it is now?

They did a revolution against a bunch of Monarchist, Colonialist, Imperialist, Greedy, Expansionist scumbags that were the vocal minority.

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I don't want to have this convo/debate about "oh, the Polarians could've never been Monarchist"

or

"oh, they can't be Pagan, they'd have to be strict"

or some other nonsense that tries to retcon Polaria in its entirety/questioning its existence.

Christianity, Catholicism and Islam are a strict set-of-beliefs.

Polaria tends to be laissez-faire towards everything. Except things that question the Cultural/Societal Norm.