Cold War RP: Reboot, (OPEN)

[Mathuvan Union]

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Landing craft are not always suitable for the deployment of troops when you have to move your forces hundreds of miles. You will require dozens to hundreds of transport ships to carry out this amphibious operation. And even then until you secure a port, your forces will lack in heavy armor and heavy artillery.

Most nations today aren't even able to launch a massive naval invasion simply because of the lack of naval lift capabilities.

The issue with your navy is the unrealistic sense that you have 80 battleships and 5 carriers. Your nation lacks the naval slips to build more than a few capital ships at a time and most certainly lacks the funding to have built or maintained these ships. You would have most likely had to build most of them, which is impossible.

Going off the IRL costs, if you were to build the battleships you claim, it would have cost $709,107,360 1910 dollars; which is $1,798,893,408.00 in 1950, which is $19,137,986,574.72 today. So highly unreasonable, unless your nation has a very large debt. Not to mention you wouldn't have the time nor the naval slips to build that many ships in the first place.

Assuming you engaged in the program as IRL in 1906 and began building 2 battleships a year, and it took 4 years to build each ship, your last ship which is hopelessly obsolete, would have just began construction in 1946 and will have been done by 1950, although IRL the class you use was retired in 1952.

Even on D-Day, for the "short" waterway known as the English Channel larger landing support ships where used. Those ships launched the smaller landing craft.

Also, when it comes to battleships, having 80 sounds great, but that is a huge resource drain. All the fuel, food, ammunition, medical supplies, etc. that those ships would need is insane. Battleships aren't cheap to operate, build, or maintain. So by having 80, or really over 10, your navy is going to end up like the Kriegsmarine. Impressive looking and sounding, but in the end, just a paper tiger that can be killed with airplanes.

I definitely don’t have a navy that big. Nor will I ever have.
I have 25, max. My navy is much smaller than that, excluding the inflatable ones that look like boats.

[Monsone]

There is no 1950 plane in the world that is small enough to fit on a carrier, but also be big enough to deploy paratroopers. I mean the best you can do in 1950 is have 1-2 paratroopers per plane, but they don't get any equipment pack. All planes in 1950 and even in 2020 that are used to deploy paratroopers cannot be launched from an aircraft carrier.

I’ll use transport planes. Mind you, by december, my best plane will be a de haviland Venom.

Mind you you'll need to cross the Atlantic. A De Haviland Venom isn't going to make the trip. Most planes won't. And aerial refueling is really just becoming feasible, but it is extremely expensive and requires a lot of planes. That is why most invasions even today are done via land or sea. Going by air is risky and expensive for what it's worth. Not until the 1960s-1970s will an air invasion even become really possible let alone cost effective.

[Wasi State]

Mind you you'll need to cross the Atlantic. A De Haviland Venom isn't going to make the trip. Most planes won't. And aerial refueling is really just becoming feasible, but it is extremely expensive and requires a lot of planes. That is why most invasions even today are done via land or sea. Going by air is risky and expensive for what it's worth. Not until the 1960s-1970s will an air invasion even become really possible let alone cost effective.

I mean not unless you wanna pull some Wile Coyote shenanigans like landing a surprise aerial to ground invasion from some unarmed airliners in vein of the Congo War.

[Monsone]

Even on D-Day, for the "short" waterway known as the English Channel larger landing support ships where used. Those ships launched the smaller landing craft.

Also, when it comes to battleships, having 80 sounds great, but that is a huge resource drain. All the fuel, food, ammunition, medical supplies, etc. that those ships would need is insane. Battleships aren't cheap to operate, build, or maintain. So by having 80, or really over 10, your navy is going to end up like the Kriegsmarine. Impressive looking and sounding, but in the end, just a paper tiger that can be killed with airplanes.

I definitely don’t have a navy that big. Nor will I ever have.
I have 25, max. My navy is much smaller than that, excluding the inflatable ones that look like boats.

You having 25 battleships? Not likely. In 1950, France had 5 IRL and 7 in this RP, the USSR has five, Italy has two, the UK has 5, Chile IRL had one, and Argentina had 2. Only the USA/IRA comes close to 25, and they could have 18 at most that are not helplessly obsolete

[Mathuvan Union]

I’ll use transport planes. Mind you, by december, my best plane will be a de haviland Venom.

Mind you you'll need to cross the Atlantic. A De Haviland Venom isn't going to make the trip. Most planes won't. And aerial refueling is really just becoming feasible, but it is extremely expensive and requires a lot of planes. That is why most invasions even today are done via land or sea. Going by air is risky and expensive for what it's worth. Not until the 1960s-1970s will an air invasion even become really possible let alone cost effective.

From a aircraft carrier. No, this doesn’t make sense

[Mathuvan Union]

I definitely don’t have a navy that big. Nor will I ever have.
I have 25, max. My navy is much smaller than that, excluding the inflatable ones that look like boats.

You having 25 battleships? Not likely. In 1950, France had 5 IRL and 7 in this RP, the USSR has five, Italy has two, the UK has 5, Chile IRL had one, and Argentina had 2. Only the USA/IRA comes close to 25, and they could have 18 at most that are not helplessly obsolete

Emphasis on max.

[Monsone]

Mind you you'll need to cross the Atlantic. A De Haviland Venom isn't going to make the trip. Most planes won't. And aerial refueling is really just becoming feasible, but it is extremely expensive and requires a lot of planes. That is why most invasions even today are done via land or sea. Going by air is risky and expensive for what it's worth. Not until the 1960s-1970s will an air invasion even become really possible let alone cost effective.

I mean not unless you wanna pull some Wile Coyote shenanigans like landing a surprise aerial to ground invasion from some unarmed airliners in vein of the Congo War.

That would break the Geneva Convention because you would be using a civilian marked aircraft for an act of war. Unless you want a horrible diplomatic response, I wouldn't do it.

[Monsone]

You having 25 battleships? Not likely. In 1950, France had 5 IRL and 7 in this RP, the USSR has five, Italy has two, the UK has 5, Chile IRL had one, and Argentina had 2. Only the USA/IRA comes close to 25, and they could have 18 at most that are not helplessly obsolete

Emphasis on max.

So you're saying most are in reserve?

[Mathuvan Union]

Emphasis on max.

So you're saying most are in reserve?

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Mind you you'll need to cross the Atlantic. A De Haviland Venom isn't going to make the trip. Most planes won't. And aerial refueling is really just becoming feasible, but it is extremely expensive and requires a lot of planes. That is why most invasions even today are done via land or sea. Going by air is risky and expensive for what it's worth. Not until the 1960s-1970s will an air invasion even become really possible let alone cost effective.

I mean not unless you wanna pull some Wile Coyote shenanigans like landing a surprise aerial to ground invasion from some unarmed airliners in vein of the Congo War.

Dock in friendly territory. Invade from land.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

There is no 1950 plane in the world that is small enough to fit on a carrier, but also be big enough to deploy paratroopers. I mean the best you can do in 1950 is have 1-2 paratroopers per plane, but they don't get any equipment pack. All planes in 1950 and even in 2020 that are used to deploy paratroopers cannot be launched from an aircraft carrier.

I’ll use transport planes. Mind you, by december, my best plane will be a de haviland Venom.

You aren't getting it. Just because it is called an "aircraft carrier" doesn't mean every single aircraft can be used on it. A conventional transport plane is TOO BIG to fit on a carrier. If you do use transport planes, good luck because they won't fit in the hangar, and won't even make it off the runway. All the planes will crash into the sea and your paratroopers and pilots will drown.

Only time something comparable happened was during the Doolittle Raids, but that required months of training, refitting of the bombers, and it is notable the leader of the mission was one of the most famous and skilled pilots of the time. The feat is something a country like Brazil would not be able to pull off, as even if you have any carriers, they are probably too small.

[Sarderia]

I’ll use transport planes. Mind you, by december, my best plane will be a de haviland Venom.

You aren't getting it. Just because it is called an "aircraft carrier" doesn't mean every single aircraft can be used on it. A conventional transport plane is TOO BIG to fit on a carrier. If you do use transport planes, good luck because they won't fit in the hangar, and won't even make it off the runway. All the planes will crash into the sea and your paratroopers and pilots will drown.

Only time something comparable happened was during the Doolittle Raids, but that required months of training, refitting of the bombers, and it is notable the leader of the mission was one of the most famous and skilled pilots of the time. The feat is something a country like Brazil would not be able to pull off, as even if you have any carriers, they are probably too small.

Just let it be Nihon. There's no way Brazil could even land a detachment of troops in Africa much less invade it. We're not going to consider it canon even though they're posting it in the IC.

So you're saying most are in reserve?

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I mean not unless you wanna pull some Wile Coyote shenanigans like landing a surprise aerial to ground invasion from some unarmed airliners in vein of the Congo War.

Dock in friendly territory. Invade from land.

There's no friendly territory and no one wants to be a collaborator in your unjustified war.

[HypErcApitAl]

CAN WE PLEASE STOP ARGUING EVERY 5 FREAKING SECONDS FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS JELLY FLAVORED.

Agreed.

I can't be my unique country cause some dude/dudette will come in here and say "nah that can't work"

but I don't want to be Catholic cause that'd mean I wouldn't be Polaria, I'd just be Spanish Socialist Republic.

Polaria's whole concept is them being liberal/progressive. Paganism is a good religion for that, not to mention Polaria's pagan is Greco-Roman Mythos. Either Atheism or Paganism would work for a Lib/Prog nation.

Imho, they were Pagan their whole history but the Revolutionaries didn't claim it until the whole Rashidi thing since Paganism is a progressive ideology/religion/school-of-thought. So they were Secular Pagan, but before, were Secularist, though before their Secularism, were straight-up Pagan.

Now, they're Secular but w/ a Pagan-Christian/Catholic duality since England (and France to some degree) tried destabilizing my country w/ separatists and Catholic terrorists.

I'll say that Catholics do exist in Polaria, but they'd be a small number. And not just that, but they'd be persecuted by the Polarian State since Catholicism and Christianity would be a threat to Polaria's existence.

Catholicism and Christianity are strict religions. So is Islam, but Islam is way strict (and ultratraditionalist)

All three of those wouldn't work in Polaria. They'd just now have catholic autonomies to keep the Catholics from "feeling victimized" and blowing up a major Polarian city or whatever.

It was all about Stability and keeping the Polarian people safe, but now, due to France's economy getting cucked, I barely have any stability (which is why Gommunists rose-up in my country)

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This whole "Polaria can't be Pagan" does threaten my country's existence b/c Paganism is a huge part of Polarian culture. Them being Venusian would explain (or help to explain) their "weirdness."

And American Pere Housh did an IngSoc by saying "the Roman Republic was never Polarian" although in my app, I said Polaria had two exclaves that were remnants of Polarian Italy.

As I keep saying, the Polarian Empire was ruthless. I think I'd still have reason to colonize and whatnot. No other player would have to change their history if they wanted to rp a New World nation b/c they would've warped Polarian culture and called it something else.

Mexicali could still be Mexicali and whatnot.

I don't understand how Islam, a major culture and belief-system that threatened Polaria's whole existence and culture, would still be around in the Sahara. Especially seeing that Revolutionary Polaria isn't Islam-positive, and the Polarian Monarchy were horrific and brutal.

The OP was fine w/ Polaria's weirdness. I'm fine w/ everything else except for the Status Quo being ruined (the USSR having a civilwar and Iran forming the OPEC and whatnot) since now that gave the side-effect of France having a horrible time. I border France. They're a historical ally. I do car and manufacturing stuffs. My economy would start falling too. A good economy wouldn't save me for long. This is essentially Black Monday or the NASDAQ collapsing.

[HypErcApitAl]

RPing a ex-colony wouldn't work, as ex-colonies would be the religion(s) of their colonizer.

I like Southafrica, the Kongo and certain other African countries, but, like I've told Plzen, most don't rp them (unless they have no option but to)

I mainly rp Eurasian or Euramerican countries.

[Monsone]

CAN WE PLEASE STOP ARGUING EVERY 5 FREAKING SECONDS FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS JELLY FLAVORED.

Agreed.

I can't be my unique country cause some dude/dudette will come in here and say "nah that can't work"

but I don't want to be Catholic cause that'd mean I wouldn't be Polaria, I'd just be Spanish Socialist Republic.

Polaria's whole concept is them being liberal/progressive. Paganism is a good religion for that, not to mention Polaria's pagan is Greco-Roman Mythos. Either Atheism or Paganism would work for a Lib/Prog nation.

Imho, they were Pagan their whole history but the Revolutionaries didn't claim it until the whole Rashidi thing since Paganism is a progressive ideology/religion/school-of-thought. So they were Secular Pagan, but before, were Secularist, though before their Secularism, were straight-up Pagan.

Now, they're Secular but w/ a Pagan-Christian/Catholic duality since England (and France to some degree) tried destabilizing my country w/ separatists and Catholic terrorists.

I'll say that Catholics do exist in Polaria, but they'd be a small number. And not just that, but they'd be persecuted by the Polarian State since Catholicism and Christianity would be a threat to Polaria's existence.

Catholicism and Christianity are strict religions. So is Islam, but Islam is way strict (and ultratraditionalist)

All three of those wouldn't work in Polaria. They'd just now have catholic autonomies to keep the Catholics from "feeling victimized" and blowing up a major Polarian city or whatever.

It was all about Stability and keeping the Polarian people safe, but now, due to France's economy getting cucked, I barely have any stability (which is why Gommunists rose-up in my country)

---

This whole "Polaria can't be Pagan" does threaten my country's existence b/c Paganism is a huge part of Polarian culture. Them being Venusian would explain (or help to explain) their "weirdness."

And American Pere Housh did an IngSoc by saying "the Roman Republic was never Polarian" although in my app, I said Polaria had two exclaves that were remnants of Polarian Italy.

As I keep saying, the Polarian Empire was ruthless. I think I'd still have reason to colonize and whatnot. No other player would have to change their history if they wanted to rp a New World nation b/c they would've warped Polarian culture and called it something else.

Mexicali could still be Mexicali and whatnot.

I don't understand how Islam, a major culture and belief-system that threatened Polaria's whole existence and culture, would still be around in the Sahara. Especially seeing that Revolutionary Polaria isn't Islam-positive, and the Polarian Monarchy were horrific and brutal.

The OP was fine w/ Polaria's weirdness. I'm fine w/ everything else except for the Status Quo being ruined (the USSR having a civilwar and Iran forming the OPEC and whatnot) since now that gave the side-effect of France having a horrible time. I border France. They're a historical ally. I do car and manufacturing stuffs. My economy would start falling too. A good economy wouldn't save me for long. This is essentially Black Monday or the NASDAQ collapsing.

I have to agree with Polaria. Basically, they're Hispania but still Pagan, so of course Rome existed, just the Polarians didn't become as Catholic and as they've said, even persecuted Catholics. And I'd hate to admit it, but we need to keep realism alive. The USSR having a civil war? Nigh impossible. Iran and OPEC being as strong as they are? Pretty unlikely considering the IRL history of the region, but it is possible. However, OPEC would be worthless until the 1960s because oil is cheap in the 1950s. Brazil not being in a civil war despite controlling Peru and Chile (two nations who don't even speak the same language) weak USA/IRA policies on communism, etc. If we're going to rant on what we can and cannot invade, then we also need to be more realistic in our events and in our nations.

[Wasi State]

RPing a ex-colony wouldn't work, as ex-colonies would be the religion(s) of their colonizer.

I like Southafrica, the Kongo and certain other African countries, but, like I've told Plzen, most don't rp them (unless they have no option but to)

I mainly rp Eurasian or Euramerican countries.

South Africa is pretty interesting tho man, at least I find them as such. I was actually pretty thrilled to researched them more so for the RP, the whole concept of the country is just wild.

[Sarderia]

Well if you want to make a unique country could you please not take Spain, who first discovered America after the Vikings, who colonized the whole central/South america along w/the Portuguese and set up like 11 or 12 Spanish-speaking countries, all Catholic, who led the Reconquista against the Cordoba-Andalus Caliphate, nearly conquered Morocco and is renowned to be the most Catholic place in the whole European continent and say "lol no they pagan now and I gotta keep Spain's history", and you still expect people to follow.

A pagan Venus and Jupiter and Mars and other Roman gods-worshipping region in Europe lasting into the 21th century itself is unrealistic. Do you know why Louis IX declared crusade against the Cathars? Or the Teutons against Baltic states and Russian principalities? They want to stomp out all Catholic heresies from Europe. Imagine what they'll do to pagans. And for all the "Polarian Empire" thing I'd like to point out Argentina and Brazil uses Spanish and Portuguese names respectively, Algeria is majority Muslim and they're speaking French, even Italy is not Pagan.

If you really want to do a "unique country" the pick up somewhere that doesn't impact IRL history too much. Sure we have Point of Divergence but you're taking it too far mate. Pick somewhere like Australia, NZ, Patagonia, the Pacific Islands or heck even Ontario would be suitable and found your dictatorship Pagan empire there. You could make the premise as "pagans fleeing Persecution" or whatever and no one would bother. It's because those regions are made out of colonizatoon and relatively new. You expect by deleting Spain and replacing it with a country which foundations are inherently unrealistic no-one would react. That's just impossible. Sorry for that but I'm not trying to pick up a fight or antagonize you it's just realism as stated in RP rules.

Also Iran creating OPEC doesn't break the status quo, it's the Russian civil war that did. For the same reasons you could say Atlantic Pact and EETC breaking status quo but you didn't. That's because even OPEC don't want to just swing the embargo hammer or trade war hammer or else without justification, it will have repercussions just like IRL.

[HypErcApitAl]

Agreed.

I can't be my unique country cause some dude/dudette will come in here and say "nah that can't work"

but I don't want to be Catholic cause that'd mean I wouldn't be Polaria, I'd just be Spanish Socialist Republic.

Polaria's whole concept is them being liberal/progressive. Paganism is a good religion for that, not to mention Polaria's pagan is Greco-Roman Mythos. Either Atheism or Paganism would work for a Lib/Prog nation.

Imho, they were Pagan their whole history but the Revolutionaries didn't claim it until the whole Rashidi thing since Paganism is a progressive ideology/religion/school-of-thought. So they were Secular Pagan, but before, were Secularist, though before their Secularism, were straight-up Pagan.

Now, they're Secular but w/ a Pagan-Christian/Catholic duality since England (and France to some degree) tried destabilizing my country w/ separatists and Catholic terrorists.

I'll say that Catholics do exist in Polaria, but they'd be a small number. And not just that, but they'd be persecuted by the Polarian State since Catholicism and Christianity would be a threat to Polaria's existence.

Catholicism and Christianity are strict religions. So is Islam, but Islam is way strict (and ultratraditionalist)

All three of those wouldn't work in Polaria. They'd just now have catholic autonomies to keep the Catholics from "feeling victimized" and blowing up a major Polarian city or whatever.

It was all about Stability and keeping the Polarian people safe, but now, due to France's economy getting cucked, I barely have any stability (which is why Gommunists rose-up in my country)

---

This whole "Polaria can't be Pagan" does threaten my country's existence b/c Paganism is a huge part of Polarian culture. Them being Venusian would explain (or help to explain) their "weirdness."

And American Pere Housh did an IngSoc by saying "the Roman Republic was never Polarian" although in my app, I said Polaria had two exclaves that were remnants of Polarian Italy.

As I keep saying, the Polarian Empire was ruthless. I think I'd still have reason to colonize and whatnot. No other player would have to change their history if they wanted to rp a New World nation b/c they would've warped Polarian culture and called it something else.

Mexicali could still be Mexicali and whatnot.

I don't understand how Islam, a major culture and belief-system that threatened Polaria's whole existence and culture, would still be around in the Sahara. Especially seeing that Revolutionary Polaria isn't Islam-positive, and the Polarian Monarchy were horrific and brutal.

The OP was fine w/ Polaria's weirdness. I'm fine w/ everything else except for the Status Quo being ruined (the USSR having a civilwar and Iran forming the OPEC and whatnot) since now that gave the side-effect of France having a horrible time. I border France. They're a historical ally. I do car and manufacturing stuffs. My economy would start falling too. A good economy wouldn't save me for long. This is essentially Black Monday or the NASDAQ collapsing.

I have to agree with Polaria. Basically, they're Hispania but still Pagan, so of course Rome existed, just the Polarians didn't become as Catholic and as they've said, even persecuted Catholics. And I'd hate to admit it, but we need to keep realism alive. The USSR having a civil war? Nigh impossible. Iran and OPEC being as strong as they are? Pretty unlikely considering the IRL history of the region, but it is possible. However, OPEC would be worthless until the 1960s because oil is cheap in the 1950s. Brazil not being in a civil war despite controlling Peru and Chile (two nations who don't even speak the same language) weak USA/IRA policies on communism, etc. If we're going to rant on what we can and cannot invade, then we also need to be more realistic in our events and in our nations.

Thank you again, France.

[HypErcApitAl]

Well if you want to make a unique country could you please not take Spain, who first discovered America after the Vikings, who colonized the whole central/South america along w/the Portuguese and set up like 11 or 12 Spanish-speaking countries, all Catholic, who led the Reconquista against the Cordoba-Andalus Caliphate, nearly conquered Morocco and is renowned to be the most Catholic place in the whole European continent and say "lol no they pagan now and I gotta keep Spain's history", and you still expect people to follow.

A pagan Venus and Jupiter and Mars and other Roman gods-worshipping region in Europe lasting into the 21th century itself is unrealistic. Do you know why Louis IX declared crusade against the Cathars? Or the Teutons against Baltic states and Russian principalities? They want to stomp out all Catholic heresies from Europe. Imagine what they'll do to pagans. And for all the "Polarian Empire" thing I'd like to point out Argentina and Brazil uses Spanish and Portuguese names respectively, Algeria is majority Muslim and they're speaking French, even Italy is not Pagan.

If you really want to do a "unique country" the pick up somewhere that doesn't impact IRL history too much. Sure we have Point of Divergence but you're taking it too far mate. Pick somewhere like Australia, NZ, Patagonia, the Pacific Islands or heck even Ontario would be suitable and found your dictatorship Pagan empire there. You could make the premise as "pagans fleeing Persecution" or whatever and no one would bother. It's because those regions are made out of colonizatoon and relatively new. You expect by deleting Spain and replacing it with a country which foundations are inherently unrealistic no-one would react. That's just impossible. Sorry for that but I'm not trying to pick up a fight or antagonize you it's just realism as stated in RP rules.

Also Iran creating OPEC doesn't break the status quo, it's the Russian civil war that did. For the same reasons you could say Atlantic Pact and EETC breaking status quo but you didn't. That's because even OPEC don't want to just swing the embargo hammer or trade war hammer or else without justification, it will have repercussions just like IRL.

American Rome? They already took the US and did their American Empire.

Socialist Canada?

This timeline isn't realistic, man.

[HypErcApitAl]

Not to mention Vaas and Piracy still existing.

[Monsone]

Well if you want to make a unique country could you please not take Spain, who first discovered America after the Vikings, who colonized the whole central/South america along w/the Portuguese and set up like 11 or 12 Spanish-speaking countries, all Catholic, who led the Reconquista against the Cordoba-Andalus Caliphate, nearly conquered Morocco and is renowned to be the most Catholic place in the whole European continent and say "lol no they pagan now and I gotta keep Spain's history", and you still expect people to follow.

A pagan Venus and Jupiter and Mars and other Roman gods-worshipping region in Europe lasting into the 21th century itself is unrealistic. Do you know why Louis IX declared crusade against the Cathars? Or the Teutons against Baltic states and Russian principalities? They want to stomp out all Catholic heresies from Europe. Imagine what they'll do to pagans. And for all the "Polarian Empire" thing I'd like to point out Argentina and Brazil uses Spanish and Portuguese names respectively, Algeria is majority Muslim and they're speaking French, even Italy is not Pagan.

If you really want to do a "unique country" the pick up somewhere that doesn't impact IRL history too much. Sure we have Point of Divergence but you're taking it too far mate. Pick somewhere like Australia, NZ, Patagonia, the Pacific Islands or heck even Ontario would be suitable and found your dictatorship Pagan empire there. You could make the premise as "pagans fleeing Persecution" or whatever and no one would bother. It's because those regions are made out of colonizatoon and relatively new. You expect by deleting Spain and replacing it with a country which foundations are inherently unrealistic no-one would react. That's just impossible. Sorry for that but I'm not trying to pick up a fight or antagonize you it's just realism as stated in RP rules.

Also Iran creating OPEC doesn't break the status quo, it's the Russian civil war that did. For the same reasons you could say Atlantic Pact and EETC breaking status quo but you didn't. That's because even OPEC don't want to just swing the embargo hammer or trade war hammer or else without justification, it will have repercussions just like IRL.

The EETC is basically the European Coal and Steel Community. And that did exist in 1949 thanks to Robert Schumann. So if anything, the EETC kept the status quo.

[Monsone]

Not to mention Vaas and Piracy still existing.

Somalia and parts of Asia still have piracy in 2020.

[HypErcApitAl]

I'd have an age-old history of Monarchism, Colonizing, Imperialism and Expansionism not to mention being really greedy and just a plain-ol' Awful Empire before the Revolutionaries (modern-day Polaria), so Polaria isn't just Revolutionary Socialist and Democratic Socialist but also Feminist Libertarian and an ex-colonizer.

I like the idea of having a British-Polarian Feud and also being a Francophile. Why push me in the middle of the Pacific when the British would've exterminated my ass long ago?

Americae Roma already is unrealistic (or semi-realistic? Manifest Destiny? but they're largely based on Roman stuff)

Spain is a maternal society, but I don't want their baggage, man. Plus, Francoist Spain/Fascist Spain is boring.

The Spanish are irrelevant. So are the Portuguese.

No one RPs the city-states, so it was also fair (and easy) for me to take Andorra and the rest.

Monaco retroactively became French.

[Sarderia]

Agreed.

I can't be my unique country cause some dude/dudette will come in here and say "nah that can't work"

but I don't want to be Catholic cause that'd mean I wouldn't be Polaria, I'd just be Spanish Socialist Republic.

Polaria's whole concept is them being liberal/progressive. Paganism is a good religion for that, not to mention Polaria's pagan is Greco-Roman Mythos. Either Atheism or Paganism would work for a Lib/Prog nation.

Imho, they were Pagan their whole history but the Revolutionaries didn't claim it until the whole Rashidi thing since Paganism is a progressive ideology/religion/school-of-thought. So they were Secular Pagan, but before, were Secularist, though before their Secularism, were straight-up Pagan.

Now, they're Secular but w/ a Pagan-Christian/Catholic duality since England (and France to some degree) tried destabilizing my country w/ separatists and Catholic terrorists.

I'll say that Catholics do exist in Polaria, but they'd be a small number. And not just that, but they'd be persecuted by the Polarian State since Catholicism and Christianity would be a threat to Polaria's existence.

Catholicism and Christianity are strict religions. So is Islam, but Islam is way strict (and ultratraditionalist)

All three of those wouldn't work in Polaria. They'd just now have catholic autonomies to keep the Catholics from "feeling victimized" and blowing up a major Polarian city or whatever.

It was all about Stability and keeping the Polarian people safe, but now, due to France's economy getting cucked, I barely have any stability (which is why Gommunists rose-up in my country)

---

This whole "Polaria can't be Pagan" does threaten my country's existence b/c Paganism is a huge part of Polarian culture. Them being Venusian would explain (or help to explain) their "weirdness."

And American Pere Housh did an IngSoc by saying "the Roman Republic was never Polarian" although in my app, I said Polaria had two exclaves that were remnants of Polarian Italy.

As I keep saying, the Polarian Empire was ruthless. I think I'd still have reason to colonize and whatnot. No other player would have to change their history if they wanted to rp a New World nation b/c they would've warped Polarian culture and called it something else.

Mexicali could still be Mexicali and whatnot.

I don't understand how Islam, a major culture and belief-system that threatened Polaria's whole existence and culture, would still be around in the Sahara. Especially seeing that Revolutionary Polaria isn't Islam-positive, and the Polarian Monarchy were horrific and brutal.

The OP was fine w/ Polaria's weirdness. I'm fine w/ everything else except for the Status Quo being ruined (the USSR having a civilwar and Iran forming the OPEC and whatnot) since now that gave the side-effect of France having a horrible time. I border France. They're a historical ally. I do car and manufacturing stuffs. My economy would start falling too. A good economy wouldn't save me for long. This is essentially Black Monday or the NASDAQ collapsing.

I have to agree with Polaria. Basically, they're Hispania but still Pagan, so of course Rome existed, just the Polarians didn't become as Catholic and as they've said, even persecuted Catholics. And I'd hate to admit it, but we need to keep realism alive. The USSR having a civil war? Nigh impossible. Iran and OPEC being as strong as they are? Pretty unlikely considering the IRL history of the region, but it is possible. However, OPEC would be worthless until the 1960s because oil is cheap in the 1950s. Brazil not being in a civil war despite controlling Peru and Chile (two nations who don't even speak the same language) weak USA/IRA policies on communism, etc. If we're going to rant on what we can and cannot invade, then we also need to be more realistic in our events and in our nations.

I beg to differ, oil prices in 1950 is $2.77 which would be the equivalent of $29 in today's prices. Oil prices just start rising in 1974 because OPEC enforced an embargo to USA because of their support to Israel, thereby starting an oil crisis. And from 1950 to 1970 prices had remained stable. That proves that OPEC do have the leverage against other multilateral treaties and oil is as important to 1950 economy as it do now. However I concur that OPEC shouldn't have the "power" that they do, in the sense that OPEC is an economic pact and it shouldn't have as much power as NATO. So far OPEC haven't done a major impact in the world economy yet - on the contrary OPEC countries are working together to lift themselves up from France's economic crisis. So I don't get how OPEC is "so powerful" in this RP.

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Nobody even rps Australia, man. The OP had to step-in and rp them. (plus, there was a Confederacy in this timeline, if you'd want/like to get mad about Unrealism)

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Not to mention Vaas and Piracy still existing.

Somalia and parts of Asia still have piracy in 2020.

True.