Cold War RP: Reboot, (OPEN)

[HypErcApitAl]

before them being catholic

and i mean, who else would colonize them, then? the french? Polaria had a good empire and navy, so I think they'd still get slaughtered and turned Pagan (being a brutal empire and all)

But Napoleon still happened, and that likely doomed whatever was left of the Polarian Empire. Remember, Napoleon basically curb-stomped Europe and if all the colonies of all the nations he conquered are counted, created an empire nearly the size of the UK's. Plus, Napoleon was a Catholic and even took Rome.

My point being, no mater what happens until 1798, Napoleon still occurs and Europe is suddenly faced with one of histories most feared generals who ends up dooming the Polarian and Portuguese empires. And long story short, Europe and the world are never the same again.

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[HypErcApitAl]

just worried about people threatening my existence is all

or someone doing an IngSoc and saying "that never happened, Polaria never owned (insert land here)"

[HypErcApitAl]

before them being catholic

and i mean, who else would colonize them, then? the french? Polaria had a good empire and navy, so I think they'd still get slaughtered and turned Pagan (being a brutal empire and all)

- São Paulo
- Santiago de Chile
- Rosário
- Asunción
- Salvador
- São Luis

Sounds very Catholic to me. My guess is disenchanted Spanish and Portuguese people fled to America and declared new colonial states there (as impossible as it may be) therefore limiting European expansion.

spain never existed

Polaria had colonialist and expansionist plans

[Monsone]

just worried about people threatening my existence is all

or someone doing an IngSoc and saying "that never happened, Polaria never owned (insert land here)"

Well, the difference is, did you just claim the land or actually colonize it? Anyone can claim land, but colonizing it successfully is extremely hard. And the issue is that Polaria's empire didn't leave a huge mark on the world in this RP seemingly. Simply put, after Polaria left, the colonies did complete 180° turns and became closer to their RL versions. Yes Polaria may have controlled part of Algeria, but what are most Algerians? Muslim. What do most Algerians speak? French and Arabic. The point is, Polarian culture never really stuck when it was transplanted elsewhere.

[Monsone]

- São Paulo
- Santiago de Chile
- Rosário
- Asunción
- Salvador
- São Luis

Sounds very Catholic to me. My guess is disenchanted Spanish and Portuguese people fled to America and declared new colonial states there (as impossible as it may be) therefore limiting European expansion.

spain never existed

Polaria had colonialist and expansionist plans

España is just a modernized for of Hispania, a Roman province which did exist because Rome existed. Modern Spain never existed, but Spain technically did exist under Rome.

[Sarderia]

I suggest if you want to try unique concept (being a Pagan western country and all) try picking up a colonial nation next time. Probably an ex-British South Africa or Tanzania or even New Zealand or the Pacific islands. Taking Spain and making it Pagan for all it's history would be upsetting a very large portion of conventional history (not to mention nigh impossible to occur in IRL given Spain being one of the most conservative place in Europe)

I like rping European nations. I just find Catholicism to be boring and I'm turned off to it irl.

That's impossible. And you're doing that on the expense of all European and American players who had to rewrite their history section to match your rather vague description. However in this RP it's not much of an issue I think.

- São Paulo
- Santiago de Chile
- Rosário
- Asunción
- Salvador
- São Luis

Sounds very Catholic to me. My guess is disenchanted Spanish and Portuguese people fled to America and declared new colonial states there (as impossible as it may be) therefore limiting European expansion.

spain never existed

Polaria had colonialist and expansionist plans

None of that succeeded I think given South America is profoundly Spanish and Portuguese, Algeria being French and Italy being... well Italy lol

[Mathuvan Union]

Well allow me to retort, how come you didn't include the active service numbers versus the full mobilization numbers including all active reserves that add up to your number of 6.8 million, when in actuality it was supposedly 2.2 million all along the first time around? And explain to me how exactly Brazil's population doubled to how it was with 54 mil. population in 1950 from what it was in our timeline. To the almost literal doubling number of 102 mil. to what you're suggesting, needless to say I have some questions to how that works out.

They have Chile I think

If you’re gonna rant on about that you should probably read other posts of mine.
The majority of that are reserved, because it’s required for adults of 18 to enlist in the reserves. Even then, most get exempted because of the economy

2,2 million is still a lot, even more than China's current Army lol. In a case of war, South Africa's troops are guaranteed to win, because of the simple fact they're smaller, better equipped, and they could afford to prolong a conflict without being bankrupt whic couldnd't be said for Brazil.

My territory is Brazil Chile and Peru. That makes me one of the largest countries in the world.

[Mathuvan Union]

Well allow me to retort, how come you didn't include the active service numbers versus the full mobilization numbers including all active reserves that add up to your number of 6.8 million, when in actuality it was supposedly 2.2 million all along the first time around? And explain to me how exactly Brazil's population doubled to how it was with 54 mil. population in 1950 from what it was in our timeline. To the almost literal doubling number of 102 mil. to what you're suggesting, needless to say I have some questions to how that works out.

They have Chile I think

If you’re gonna rant on about that you should probably read other posts of mine.
The majority of that are reserved, because it’s required for adults of 18 to enlist in the reserves. Even then, most get exempted because of the economy

2,2 million is still a lot, even more than China's current Army lol. In a case of war, South Africa's troops are guaranteed to win, because of the simple fact they're smaller, better equipped, and they could afford to prolong a conflict without being bankrupt whic couldnd't be said for Brazil.

Well this isn’t the real world, is it?
The majority of the 2.2 million have been called up from the reserves, to help with the war. My standing army that isn’t reservists is roughly 1 million. It’s not really difficult to have tons of reservists when they hardly ever even get called up. I’m pretty sure I can handle 5 million people going to a fort for training each month.

[Mathuvan Union]

Romextly, please bring up the image of Argentina after capture. However, I would like it that the puppeted nation would be south of a line between Comodoro Rivadavia and Coihaique

[Biotopia]

I think Ireland is ready to be visited by the Malagasy PM.

I've been waiting for you to set up the IC meeting. Btw It's with the Foreign Minister

[Biotopia]

Hey Polaria, do you want my foreign minister to visit you after going to Ireland? He was en route to Polaria before your computer broke.

[Romextly]

Romextly, please bring up the image of Argentina after capture. However, I would like it that the puppeted nation would be south of a line between Comodoro Rivadavia and Coihaique

Puppet is purple, i'm green, you're blue

[Mathuvan Union]

Romextly, please bring up the image of Argentina after capture. However, I would like it that the puppeted nation would be south of a line between Comodoro Rivadavia and Coihaique

Puppet is purple, i'm green, you're blue

give yourself more land on the coast

[Bolslania]

We're doing all of these 50s and 80s wars way to early

Not just that, we need more soft power displays like World Fairs, exhibitions of all sorts, etc. Similarly, military parades should be a lot more important since they often display a country's newest weapons systems.

Basically less wars and more Kitchen Debates.

I have been doing a lot more soft power than

[Romextly]

Puppet is purple, i'm green, you're blue

give yourself more land on the coast

[Mathuvan Union]

give yourself more land on the coast

and connect the 2 lands that u have

[Wasi State]

Well this isn’t the real world, is it?
The majority of the 2.2 million have been called up from the reserves, to help with the war. My standing army that isn’t reservists is roughly 1 million. It’s not really difficult to have tons of reservists when they hardly ever even get called up. I’m pretty sure I can handle 5 million people going to a fort for training each month.

For one thing even with Chile and Peru added to the equation, they only add just shy of 14 mil. more people to the population, granting an overall pool of 68 mil. people of various nationalities by 1950, nowhere close to 104 mil. people.

And secondly why does your military keep getting suspiciously smaller every time you bring it up? And you still need explain where the industry and likely desperately needed supply imports are coming from in order to supply such a military of that size? We're not even talking weapons and ammo here, the costs of training, housing, feeding will be a lot by itself, even if the reservists are just weekend warrior, even the US doesn't maintain that many National Guardsmen at any single time in history. How much of the budget exactly is committed to such a rather unnecessarily large military in order to maintain just upkeep?

[Mathuvan Union]

Well this isn’t the real world, is it?
The majority of the 2.2 million have been called up from the reserves, to help with the war. My standing army that isn’t reservists is roughly 1 million. It’s not really difficult to have tons of reservists when they hardly ever even get called up. I’m pretty sure I can handle 5 million people going to a fort for training each month.

For one thing even with Chile and Peru added to the equation, they only add just shy of 14 mil. more people to the population, granting an overall pool of 68 mil. people of various nationalities by 1950, nowhere close to 104 mil. people.

And secondly why does your military keep getting suspiciously smaller every time you bring it up? And you still need explain where the industry and likely desperately needed supply imports are coming from in order to supply such a military of that size? We're not even talking weapons and ammo here, the costs of training, housing, feeding will be a lot by itself, even if the reservists are just weekend warrior, even the US doesn't maintain that many National Guardsmen at any single time in history. How much of the budget exactly is committed to such a rather unnecessarily large military in order to maintain just upkeep?

its not getting smaller - I am repeating statements previously made. if you looked at my posts, i said it was required to be in the national guard.
Leave my country alone and run your own crime riddled one.

[Monsone]

Romextly, please bring up the image of Argentina after capture. However, I would like it that the puppeted nation would be south of a line between Comodoro Rivadavia and Coihaique

Puppet is purple, i'm green, you're blue

Well, since not many actual Cold War aspects have occured in this RP yet, the conquest of Argentina is the perfect time to bring some of those aspects up.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Argentinian people are going to revolt. The "state" you just gave them is pathetic, and in what was once the rest of Argentina, they are the majority. And unlike African colonies in this RP, Argentina can still fight back and maybe even win.

[Mathuvan Union]

Puppet is purple, i'm green, you're blue

Well, since not much actual Cold War aspects have occured in this RP yet, the conquest of Argentina is the perfect time to bring some of those aspects up.

what do you mean?

[Monsone]

Well, since not much actual Cold War aspects have occured in this RP yet, the conquest of Argentina is the perfect time to bring some of those aspects up.

what do you mean?

All nations reach a point of maximum size. After that, their empires fall. France, Polaria, Russia, Italy, Germany. It happens to all nations. And Brazil and Bolivia have reached this point. You may control South America on a map, but do you on the ground, and for how long?

The Cold War was the end of empires, and Brazil and Bolivia are not world powers like other nations where when they built their empires. Eventually, you can't control everything, and it all comes crashing down on you. Basically, you overextended yourself, and there is a price that all countries pay when that occurs.

[Mathuvan Union]

what do you mean?

All nations reach a point of maximum size. After that, their empires fall. France, Polaria, Russia, Italy, Germany. It happens to all nations. And Brazil and Bolivia have reached this point. You may control South America on a map, but do you on the ground, and for how long?

The Cold War was the end of empires, and Brazil and Bolivia are not world powers like other nations where when they built their empires. Eventually, you can't control everything, and it all comes crashing down on you. Basically, you overextended yourself, and there is a price that all countries pay when that occurs.

we are minimalising space taken for that reason. Also, in terms of size, Brazil is a superpower

[Exalted Inquellian State]

what do you mean?

All nations reach a point of maximum size. After that, their empires fall. France, Polaria, Russia, Italy, Germany. It happens to all nations. And Brazil and Bolivia have reached this point. You may control South America on a map, but do you on the ground, and for how long?

The Cold War was the end of empires, and Brazil and Bolivia are not world powers like other nations where when they built their empires. Eventually, you can't control everything, and it all comes crashing down on you. Basically, you overextended yourself, and there is a price that all countries pay when that occurs.

Maybe our cold war was the end of empires. But maybe we can bring them back again.

[Monsone]

All nations reach a point of maximum size. After that, their empires fall. France, Polaria, Russia, Italy, Germany. It happens to all nations. And Brazil and Bolivia have reached this point. You may control South America on a map, but do you on the ground, and for how long?

The Cold War was the end of empires, and Brazil and Bolivia are not world powers like other nations where when they built their empires. Eventually, you can't control everything, and it all comes crashing down on you. Basically, you overextended yourself, and there is a price that all countries pay when that occurs.

we are minimalising space taken for that reason. Also, in terms of size, Brazil is a superpower

Size isn't everything. Also, minimalizing space taken? I don't think so. Peru, Chile, and Argentina are all able to break away from Brazil and would be more than happy to. They speak a completely different language and they have a pretty different culture to that of Brazil.

You've basically created an Empire with so many different ethnicities that they are unconquerable because of population. Bolivia and the land being claimed by them is home to more people than there are Bolivia. Quite litteraly they could vote for their independence and leave with little to no contest because they won the popular vote.

You can conqueror a land, crush and dominate a people, and destroy their cultural sights. But you can never take their identity away from them. And that identidy is what will become you Achilles Heel; like it has for every Empire.

[Wasi State]

Geez I thought the blue was going to be Vichy Argentina, but you're giving them the purple? Like not even all of Patagonia, you couldn't even give them that curtesy, you gave like the worst possible sliver, why even bother having a puppet at that point? Is it a reservation? Are we reenacting the trail of tears here?