Cold War RP: Reboot, (OPEN)

[Wasi State]

If you’re gonna rant on about that you should probably read other posts of mine.
The majority of that are reserved, because it’s required for adults of 18 to enlist in the reserves. Even then, most get exempted because of the economy

Well allow me to retort, how come you didn't include the active service numbers versus the full mobilization numbers including all active reserves that add up to your number of 6.8 million, when in actuality it was supposedly 2.2 million all along the first time around? And explain to me how exactly Brazil's population doubled to how it was with 54 mil. population in 1950 from what it was in our timeline. To the almost literal doubling number of 102 mil. to what you're suggesting, needless to say I have some questions to how that works out.

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

Mathuvan Union, it would be advisable to edit your post about the invasion of the Falkland Islands. That is very much British territory.

[Sarderia]

If you’re gonna rant on about that you should probably read other posts of mine.
The majority of that are reserved, because it’s required for adults of 18 to enlist in the reserves. Even then, most get exempted because of the economy

Well allow me to retort, how come you didn't include the active service numbers versus the full mobilization numbers including all active reserves that add up to your number of 6.8 million, when in actuality it was supposedly 2.2 million all along the first time around? And explain to me how exactly Brazil's population doubled to how it was with 54 mil. population in 1950 from what it was in our timeline. To the almost literal doubling number of 102 mil. to what you're suggesting, needless to say I have some questions to how that works out.

They have Chile I think

If your military is somehow larger than the Red Army's peak in WWII, I think something went wrong in the army size calculations for sure, I mean unless you wanna RP a North Korean style military budget for the lolz just to economically shoot yourself in the foot for added challenge just a few some few odd into years in the actual Cold War be my guest. But I'm not inclined to believe the Brazilian Military can support itself in any prolonged war against a suitably defended foreign power, I'm sorry but I can't. The numbers don't add up.

If you’re gonna rant on about that you should probably read other posts of mine.
The majority of that are reserved, because it’s required for adults of 18 to enlist in the reserves. Even then, most get exempted because of the economy

2,2 million is still a lot, even more than China's current Army lol. In a case of war, South Africa's troops are guaranteed to win, because of the simple fact they're smaller, better equipped, and they could afford to prolong a conflict without being bankrupt whic couldnd't be said for Brazil.

[Arvenia]

Mathuvan Union, it would be advisable to edit your post about the invasion of the Falkland Islands. That is very much British territory.

I agree. Remember the Falklands War.

[Bolslania]

Mathuvan Union, it would be advisable to edit your post about the invasion of the Falkland Islands. That is very much British territory.

I agree. Remember the Falklands War.

We're doing all of these 50s and 80s wars way to early

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

It's big. But you're still NATO aligned, and the 1st, 2nd, and 4th largest navies in the world belong to NATO countries.

My military is currently 6.8 million strong.
My navy is ok. Like top 25.
My airforce is 16th strongest or so

Seems highly unrealistic a country like Brazil could support these numbers, even 2.2 million active men, for large amounts of time. During World War Two, just going off a source although I cannot confirm it is correct, it cost the US military around $4,809 1945 dollars to maintain each active soldier. That isn't even paying them. So for a nation like Brazil having 6.8 million men, that adds up quick, and since all of them are now active, it could cost potentially $32,701,200,000 per year if they were outfitted as the average US soldier. That doesn't include money for their tanks, fuel, pay, ammo, and everything else, that is just giving the soldier his uniform, food, housing, and other equipment on their persons. Most likely however, Brazilian forces would be underfed, underequiped, and undertrained. Which leads ultimately to lower morale, higher casualties, less efficency, and a higher chance of defeat.

Brazil most likely will go into debt for this war.

[Monsone]

I agree. Remember the Falklands War.

We're doing all of these 50s and 80s wars way to early

Not just that, we need more soft power displays like World Fairs, exhibitions of all sorts, etc. Similarly, military parades should be a lot more important since they often display a country's newest weapons systems.

Basically less wars and more Kitchen Debates.

[HypErcApitAl]

I'm still kinda reluctant to deal w/ Mideastern nations, tbh. And Persia was Zoroastrian (i think) but Islam is still a huge turnoff.

Polaria is secular and a religious duality (Pagans and Christian-Catholics)

We used to be Secular Pagans, but England started shit w/ the Roman Republic (which I'll call them since "The Vatican' would be a separatist term for the Polarian exclave.) which led me to become a duality.

Before that, I was secularist. I had to reclaim my Paganism because of the whole Rashidi Caliphate thing and how Paganism is the mortal enemy to Islam. Also because aesthetic and I like Paganism.

I'm very curious on how Constantine the Great failed to make Iberia Christian. It seems Portugal is Catholic from what I've observed - is there any reason how Polaria turned to Paganism? A French Revolution-style cult (such as the Cult of Supreme Being) would be an acceptable premise, but even France turned back Catholic years afyer the Revolution.

Also, it would be hard to turn back Iran into Zoroastrianism. The Zoroastrianists (or Majusi as called in Islamic literature) is still a vibrant community in Yazd, with rights guaranteed in the Constitution, however the population is largely secular (practising and non-practising Muslims alike included). The government is quite liberal so freedom of religion is guaranteed.

Portugal is pro-Polaria and they've kept their culture. Portugal was a part of the Polarian empire, gained freedom when the Empire collapsed, colonized, became a DemRep, got tooken over by the Fash (Estado Novo) then overthrew said Fash and returned back to Democracy but became a Confederation.

Paganism fought off the Christians who tried to invade. France was never under the Polarian Empire and so they may do what they want religiously, though I'd think there'd be Pagan influences.

Polaria is Venusian and Portugal is Athenian due to being apart for some time which also caused different ways of worshipping the patron deities. Minerva is treated like her own entity instead of a Roman version of Athena.

That'd be my first time hearing of the Cult of Supreme Being and Cult of Reason. Sofar, I don't like what I see.

I like Venus better.

Paganism is ingrained in Polarian culture and so it'd be hard to take it out.

[HypErcApitAl]

Also noticing from the map, I see Guinea-Bissau is not currently a part of Poloaria, is this accurate?

Ask Hypercapital. However I believe your statement is ibcorrect

Guinea-Bissau was Portuguese. Portugal disbanded its empire and freed its colonies.

I think you're confusing Guinea-Bissau with Equatorial Guinea.

Equatorial Guinea is Polarian.

[Sarderia]

I'm very curious on how Constantine the Great failed to make Iberia Christian. It seems Portugal is Catholic from what I've observed - is there any reason how Polaria turned to Paganism? A French Revolution-style cult (such as the Cult of Supreme Being) would be an acceptable premise, but even France turned back Catholic years afyer the Revolution.

Also, it would be hard to turn back Iran into Zoroastrianism. The Zoroastrianists (or Majusi as called in Islamic literature) is still a vibrant community in Yazd, with rights guaranteed in the Constitution, however the population is largely secular (practising and non-practising Muslims alike included). The government is quite liberal so freedom of religion is guaranteed.

Portugal is pro-Polaria and they've kept their culture. Portugal was a part of the Polarian empire, gained freedom when the Empire collapsed, colonized, became a DemRep, got tooken over by the Fash (Estado Novo) then overthrew said Fash and returned back to Democracy but became a Confederation.

Paganism fought off the Christians who tried to invade. France was never under the Polarian Empire and so they may do what they want religiously, though I'd think there'd be Pagan influences.

Polaria is Venusian and Portugal is Athenian due to being apart for some time which also caused different ways of worshipping the patron deities. Minerva is treated like her own entity instead of a Roman version of Athena.

That'd be my first time hearing of the Cult of Supreme Being and Cult of Reason. Sofar, I don't like what I see.

I like Venus better.

Paganism is ingrained in Polarian culture and so it'd be hard to take it out.

I'm sorry, but Christianity is imposed as state religion by Constantine, not "invade". Pretty much Christians are prosecuted by Pagans back then. And with the whole of Europe becoming Christian, and North Africa Muslim, it'd be hard for Paganism to stand out.

Also, the Polarian Empire must be very small because no lasting influence of Paganism persists in the RP world (America and Sub-Saharan Africa being majority Christian).

[HypErcApitAl]

We're doing all of these 50s and 80s wars way to early

Not just that, we need more soft power displays like World Fairs, exhibitions of all sorts, etc. Similarly, military parades should be a lot more important since they often display a country's newest weapons systems.

Basically less wars and more Kitchen Debates.

agreed

[HypErcApitAl]

Portugal is pro-Polaria and they've kept their culture. Portugal was a part of the Polarian empire, gained freedom when the Empire collapsed, colonized, became a DemRep, got tooken over by the Fash (Estado Novo) then overthrew said Fash and returned back to Democracy but became a Confederation.

Paganism fought off the Christians who tried to invade. France was never under the Polarian Empire and so they may do what they want religiously, though I'd think there'd be Pagan influences.

Polaria is Venusian and Portugal is Athenian due to being apart for some time which also caused different ways of worshipping the patron deities. Minerva is treated like her own entity instead of a Roman version of Athena.

That'd be my first time hearing of the Cult of Supreme Being and Cult of Reason. Sofar, I don't like what I see.

I like Venus better.

Paganism is ingrained in Polarian culture and so it'd be hard to take it out.

I'm sorry, but Christianity is imposed as state religion by Constantine, not "invade". Pretty much Christians are prosecuted by Pagans back then. And with the whole of Europe becoming Christian, and North Africa Muslim, it'd be hard for Paganism to stand out.

Also, the Polarian Empire must be very small because no lasting influence of Paganism persists in the RP world (America and Sub-Saharan Africa being majority Christian).

Polaria proper, Portugal, Malta, Italy, Morocco and Algeria were Polarian Empire lands, though Polaria did colonize the New World. American colonies were a part of Polaria a long time ago and have thus formed into their own cultures.

Hongma is Pagan, and they were a part of the Portuguese Empire but broke away, and I think the American Empire is Pagan too.

Yes, "invade," because there would've been a hard time erasing culture. It'd essentially be a hostile force trying to convert a deeply devout Pagan state into Catholicism, which still wouldn't work.

The Polarian Empire fell, and I have the idea that the Brits and French took some of Polarian lands to prevent Anarchy, though they grew too attached.

[HypErcApitAl]

Prolly had a bit more of the Sahara/Maghreb, but I don't want to turn the Polarian Empire into a wank. France is my historical ally and so I'm giving them leniency/free movement. (I mean, we're both Liberal and Revolutionary culturally and somewhat politically)

And I forgot I had a Trade Hub/Silk Road-type thing. Man, oh man, am I forgetting original concepts.

[Monsone]

I'm sorry, but Christianity is imposed as state religion by Constantine, not "invade". Pretty much Christians are prosecuted by Pagans back then. And with the whole of Europe becoming Christian, and North Africa Muslim, it'd be hard for Paganism to stand out.

Also, the Polarian Empire must be very small because no lasting influence of Paganism persists in the RP world (America and Sub-Saharan Africa being majority Christian).

Polaria proper, Portugal, Malta, Italy, Morocco and Algeria were Polarian Empire lands, though Polaria did colonize the New World. American colonies were a part of Polaria a long time ago and have thus formed into their own cultures.

Hongma is Pagan, and they were a part of the Portuguese Empire but broke away, and I think the American Empire is Pagan too.

Yes, "invade," because there would've been a hard time erasing culture. It'd essentially be a hostile force trying to convert a deeply devout Pagan state into Catholicism, which still wouldn't work.

The Polarian Empire fell, and I have the idea that the Brits and French took some of Polarian lands to prevent Anarchy, though they grew too attached.

Well not really. Algeria was Muslim and ruled by a Muslim ruler who then was deposed by the French. A lot of the Polarian territories you talk about have sizable non-pagan minorities. Algeria is mainly Muslim with Judaism and Catholicism making up most of the rest, Morocco has a similar makeup to Algeria, Italy is deeply Catholic as well as home to Jewish and Muslim minorities, and Malta is also quite Catholic and Anglican. Not to mention that Polaria was once a French puppet under Napoleon and that Catalunya was French. Similarly in Portugal's history you mention that the Portuguese monarchy existed as IRL as did the Estato Novo. Even "pagan" Polaria has to have a huge Catholic minority as well as a Jewish minority thanks to the las 300 years of history including being dominated by a Catholic nation (France). And if Polaria did have a Bourbon monarch, they would certainly be Catholic because they where French in origin.

[HypErcApitAl]

Polaria proper, Portugal, Malta, Italy, Morocco and Algeria were Polarian Empire lands, though Polaria did colonize the New World. American colonies were a part of Polaria a long time ago and have thus formed into their own cultures.

Hongma is Pagan, and they were a part of the Portuguese Empire but broke away, and I think the American Empire is Pagan too.

Yes, "invade," because there would've been a hard time erasing culture. It'd essentially be a hostile force trying to convert a deeply devout Pagan state into Catholicism, which still wouldn't work.

The Polarian Empire fell, and I have the idea that the Brits and French took some of Polarian lands to prevent Anarchy, though they grew too attached.

Well not really. Algeria was Muslim and ruled by a Muslim ruler who then was deposed by the French. A lot of the Polarian territories you talk about have sizable non-pagan minorities. Algeria is mainly Muslim with Judaism and Catholicism making up most of the rest, Morocco has a similar makeup to Algeria, Italy is deeply Catholic as well as home to Jewish and Muslim minorities, and Malta is also quite Catholic and Anglican. Not to mention that Polaria was once a French puppet under Napoleon and that Catalunya was French. Similarly in Portugal's history you mention that the Portuguese monarchy existed as IRL as did the Estato Novo. Even "pagan" Polaria has to have a huge Catholic minority as well as a Jewish minority thanks to the las 300 years of history including being dominated by a Catholic nation (France). And if Polaria did have a Bourbon monarch, they would certainly be Catholic because they where French in origin.

Yeah. We do have Catholics. Wouldn't be a large amount though.

And I did say the Polarian Empire was brutal.

Northeast Polaria is French?

I'll still give you the Bourbons, though. (I referenced the Bourbon Kingdom IC-ly and I'm happy to see that return)

[Monsone]

Prolly had a bit more of the Sahara/Maghreb, but I don't want to turn the Polarian Empire into a wank. France is my historical ally and so I'm giving them leniency/free movement. (I mean, we're both Liberal and Revolutionary culturally and somewhat politically)

And I forgot I had a Trade Hub/Silk Road-type thing. Man, oh man, am I forgetting original concepts.

The Sahara is uninhabited by everyone save for nomads in the pre-19th century area. You could claim the Sahara, but it would be a worthless claim. And in the Maghreb, there where not only local leaders to contend with, but the Ottoman Empire which up until the 18th century could likely still beat Polaria since the Ottomans IRL beat the Hapsburgs in the 17th century.

Also, what type of Silk Road did you have? Geographically Polaria doesn’t have the position to create said route unless it was by sea like the IRL Spanish Manila Galleons. The only reason the Silk Road was where it was was because of the location of markets for the goods, the production hubs for goods, and geography. And if you're talking about sea trade routes, then maybe. But that replaced the Silk Road.

[Monsone]

Well not really. Algeria was Muslim and ruled by a Muslim ruler who then was deposed by the French. A lot of the Polarian territories you talk about have sizable non-pagan minorities. Algeria is mainly Muslim with Judaism and Catholicism making up most of the rest, Morocco has a similar makeup to Algeria, Italy is deeply Catholic as well as home to Jewish and Muslim minorities, and Malta is also quite Catholic and Anglican. Not to mention that Polaria was once a French puppet under Napoleon and that Catalunya was French. Similarly in Portugal's history you mention that the Portuguese monarchy existed as IRL as did the Estato Novo. Even "pagan" Polaria has to have a huge Catholic minority as well as a Jewish minority thanks to the las 300 years of history including being dominated by a Catholic nation (France). And if Polaria did have a Bourbon monarch, they would certainly be Catholic because they where French in origin.

Yeah. We do have Catholics. Wouldn't be a large amount though.

And I did say the Polarian Empire was brutal.

Northeast Polaria is French?

I'll still give you the Bourbons, though. (I referenced the Bourbon Kingdom IC-ly and I'm happy to see that return)

Yeah, Catalunya, Navarre, the Basque Country, and Aragon where all French at one point of time or another. And under Napoleon, all of Polaria would just be a French puppet.

[Sarderia]

I'm sorry, but Christianity is imposed as state religion by Constantine, not "invade". Pretty much Christians are prosecuted by Pagans back then. And with the whole of Europe becoming Christian, and North Africa Muslim, it'd be hard for Paganism to stand out.

Also, the Polarian Empire must be very small because no lasting influence of Paganism persists in the RP world (America and Sub-Saharan Africa being majority Christian).

Polaria proper, Portugal, Malta, Italy, Morocco and Algeria were Polarian Empire lands, though Polaria did colonize the New World. American colonies were a part of Polaria a long time ago and have thus formed into their own cultures.

Hongma is Pagan, and they were a part of the Portuguese Empire but broke away, and I think the American Empire is Pagan too.

Yes, "invade," because there would've been a hard time erasing culture. It'd essentially be a hostile force trying to convert a deeply devout Pagan state into Catholicism, which still wouldn't work.

The Polarian Empire fell, and I have the idea that the Brits and French took some of Polarian lands to prevent Anarchy, though they grew too attached.

Ehh... no, not really. In fact I don't think Polaria ever has a New World empire at all. Brazil, Argentina and Bolivia are Catholic (and they have Spanish and Portuguese names for leaders, cities etc) so it wouldn't be possible. America was colonized by British which is Protestant.

Since both Christianity and Islam condemns pagans explicitly it would be hard for a Pagan empire not to crumble under rebellions and all - plus which European country would even have a friendly relationship with Pagans?

[Monsone]

Polaria proper, Portugal, Malta, Italy, Morocco and Algeria were Polarian Empire lands, though Polaria did colonize the New World. American colonies were a part of Polaria a long time ago and have thus formed into their own cultures.

Hongma is Pagan, and they were a part of the Portuguese Empire but broke away, and I think the American Empire is Pagan too.

Yes, "invade," because there would've been a hard time erasing culture. It'd essentially be a hostile force trying to convert a deeply devout Pagan state into Catholicism, which still wouldn't work.

The Polarian Empire fell, and I have the idea that the Brits and French took some of Polarian lands to prevent Anarchy, though they grew too attached.

Ehh... no, not really. In fact I don't think Polaria ever has a New World empire at all. Brazil, Argentina and Bolivia are Catholic (and they have Spanish and Portuguese names for leaders, cities etc) so it wouldn't be possible. America was colonized by British which is Protestant.

Since both Christianity and Islam condemns pagans explicitly it would be hard for a Pagan empire not to crumble under rebellions and all - plus which European country would even have a friendly relationship with Pagans?

Apparently France. But France would have placed a Catholic (Bourbon) monarch on the Polarian throne, invaded Polaria and made it a French puppet, controlled a fair ammount of mainland Polaria, and to top it off, France would have been one of the reasons the Polarian Empire fell because of the rise of France. Basically, France and Polaria are allies despite France basically doing all of the above.

[HypErcApitAl]

Polaria proper, Portugal, Malta, Italy, Morocco and Algeria were Polarian Empire lands, though Polaria did colonize the New World. American colonies were a part of Polaria a long time ago and have thus formed into their own cultures.

Hongma is Pagan, and they were a part of the Portuguese Empire but broke away, and I think the American Empire is Pagan too.

Yes, "invade," because there would've been a hard time erasing culture. It'd essentially be a hostile force trying to convert a deeply devout Pagan state into Catholicism, which still wouldn't work.

The Polarian Empire fell, and I have the idea that the Brits and French took some of Polarian lands to prevent Anarchy, though they grew too attached.

Ehh... no, not really. In fact I don't think Polaria ever has a New World empire at all. Brazil, Argentina and Bolivia are Catholic (and they have Spanish and Portuguese names for leaders, cities etc) so it wouldn't be possible. America was colonized by British which is Protestant.

Since both Christianity and Islam condemns pagans explicitly it would be hard for a Pagan empire not to crumble under rebellions and all - plus which European country would even have a friendly relationship with Pagans?

before them being catholic

and i mean, who else would colonize them, then? the french? Polaria had a good empire and navy, so I think they'd still get slaughtered and turned Pagan (being a brutal empire and all)

[HypErcApitAl]

Ehh... no, not really. In fact I don't think Polaria ever has a New World empire at all. Brazil, Argentina and Bolivia are Catholic (and they have Spanish and Portuguese names for leaders, cities etc) so it wouldn't be possible. America was colonized by British which is Protestant.

Since both Christianity and Islam condemns pagans explicitly it would be hard for a Pagan empire not to crumble under rebellions and all - plus which European country would even have a friendly relationship with Pagans?

Apparently France. But France would have placed a Catholic (Bourbon) monarch on the Polarian throne, invaded Polaria and made it a French puppet, controlled a fair ammount of mainland Polaria, and to top it off, France would have been one of the reasons the Polarian Empire fell because of the rise of France. Basically, France and Polaria are allies despite France basically doing all of the above.

latter makes sense but the Polarian commoners were brewing up antimonarchist and antiroyalist sentiment. I mean, France could've helped the commoners though. Revolutionaries helping other revolutionaries doesn't sound too farfetched.

[Sarderia]

Ehh... no, not really. In fact I don't think Polaria ever has a New World empire at all. Brazil, Argentina and Bolivia are Catholic (and they have Spanish and Portuguese names for leaders, cities etc) so it wouldn't be possible. America was colonized by British which is Protestant.

Since both Christianity and Islam condemns pagans explicitly it would be hard for a Pagan empire not to crumble under rebellions and all - plus which European country would even have a friendly relationship with Pagans?

before them being catholic

and i mean, who else would colonize them, then? the french? Polaria had a good empire and navy, so I think they'd still get slaughtered and turned Pagan (being a brutal empire and all)

- São Paulo
- Santiago de Chile
- Rosário
- Asunción
- Salvador
- São Luis

Sounds very Catholic to me. My guess is disenchanted Spanish and Portuguese people fled to America and declared new colonial states there (as impossible as it may be) therefore limiting European expansion.

[Sarderia]

I suggest if you want to try unique concept (being a Pagan western country and all) try picking up a colonial nation next time. Probably an ex-British South Africa or Tanzania or even New Zealand or the Pacific islands. Taking Spain and making it Pagan for all it's history would be upsetting a very large portion of conventional history (not to mention nigh impossible to occur in IRL given Spain being one of the most conservative place in Europe)

[Monsone]

Ehh... no, not really. In fact I don't think Polaria ever has a New World empire at all. Brazil, Argentina and Bolivia are Catholic (and they have Spanish and Portuguese names for leaders, cities etc) so it wouldn't be possible. America was colonized by British which is Protestant.

Since both Christianity and Islam condemns pagans explicitly it would be hard for a Pagan empire not to crumble under rebellions and all - plus which European country would even have a friendly relationship with Pagans?

before them being catholic

and i mean, who else would colonize them, then? the french? Polaria had a good empire and navy, so I think they'd still get slaughtered and turned Pagan (being a brutal empire and all)

But Napoleon still happened, and that likely doomed whatever was left of the Polarian Empire. Remember, Napoleon basically curb-stomped Europe and if all the colonies of all the nations he conquered are counted, created an empire nearly the size of the UK's. Plus, Napoleon was a Catholic and even took Rome.

My point being, no mater what happens until 1798, Napoleon still occurs and Europe is suddenly faced with one of histories most feared generals who ends up dooming the Polarian and Portuguese empires. And long story short, Europe and the world are never the same again.

[HypErcApitAl]

I suggest if you want to try unique concept (being a Pagan western country and all) try picking up a colonial nation next time. Probably an ex-British South Africa or Tanzania or even New Zealand or the Pacific islands. Taking Spain and making it Pagan for all it's history would be upsetting a very large portion of conventional history (not to mention nigh impossible to occur in IRL given Spain being one of the most conservative place in Europe)

I like rping European nations. I just find Catholicism to be boring and I'm turned off to it irl.