Cold War RP: Reboot, (OPEN)

[HypErcApitAl]

Iran is... well, iran. Y'all're not liberal, y'all're allied to England, Y'all're islamic, and... that's basically enough right there for Polaria to not ally you.

Vaas is a no-good Anarcho-Capitalist, smuggler, bandit,raider state, but guess what? They're useful. They occupy the Bahamas (I think) and they also hate the British. I didn't want to deal w/ their asses atfirst, but I am kinda desperate and I'd basically need blackmail and whatnot on those damned English.

1. Iran is liberal and democratic. This is not the Iranian Revolution state, this is the Imperial State, that is the Shah as the Head of State. Historically, there is freedom of expression, multiple political party, women and minorities (Turks and Arabs) rights and suffrage, and they don't require niqabs and hijabs everywhere. The Iranian Revolution happened in the 1970s, which is still 2 decades in the future.

2. Well, the majority religion is still Shia Islam, but there is a large Sunni and Eastern Christian minority. The Iranian state has no official religion, and atheism is permitted (which is not the case for many European countries in 1950). Again, this is all historical facts (Imperial Iran in reality).

3. Iran did has historical and current friendly economic ties with Britain, but it don't have military alliance. Not yet. And Iran occupies the British Virgin Islands (though the puppet Republic of VI)

As for the OPEC thing, you can't really blame the OPEC nations. Everyone wants a bit of wealth and power, and it's about time 3rd World countries rise to be an economic giant.

I'm still kinda reluctant to deal w/ Mideastern nations, tbh. And Persia was Zoroastrian (i think) but Islam is still a huge turnoff.

Polaria is secular and a religious duality (Pagans and Christian-Catholics)

We used to be Secular Pagans, but England started shit w/ the Roman Republic (which I'll call them since "The Vatican' would be a separatist term for the Polarian exclave.) which led me to become a duality.

Before that, I was secularist. I had to reclaim my Paganism because of the whole Rashidi Caliphate thing and how Paganism is the mortal enemy to Islam. Also because aesthetic and I like Paganism.

[Sarderia]

1. Iran is liberal and democratic. This is not the Iranian Revolution state, this is the Imperial State, that is the Shah as the Head of State. Historically, there is freedom of expression, multiple political party, women and minorities (Turks and Arabs) rights and suffrage, and they don't require niqabs and hijabs everywhere. The Iranian Revolution happened in the 1970s, which is still 2 decades in the future.

2. Well, the majority religion is still Shia Islam, but there is a large Sunni and Eastern Christian minority. The Iranian state has no official religion, and atheism is permitted (which is not the case for many European countries in 1950). Again, this is all historical facts (Imperial Iran in reality).

3. Iran did has historical and current friendly economic ties with Britain, but it don't have military alliance. Not yet. And Iran occupies the British Virgin Islands (though the puppet Republic of VI)

As for the OPEC thing, you can't really blame the OPEC nations. Everyone wants a bit of wealth and power, and it's about time 3rd World countries rise to be an economic giant.

I'm still kinda reluctant to deal w/ Mideastern nations, tbh. And Persia was Zoroastrian (i think) but Islam is still a huge turnoff.

Polaria is secular and a religious duality (Pagans and Christian-Catholics)

We used to be Secular Pagans, but England started shit w/ the Roman Republic (which I'll call them since "The Vatican' would be a separatist term for the Polarian exclave.) which led me to become a duality.

Before that, I was secularist. I had to reclaim my Paganism because of the whole Rashidi Caliphate thing and how Paganism is the mortal enemy to Islam. Also because aesthetic and I like Paganism.

I'm very curious on how Constantine the Great failed to make Iberia Christian. It seems Portugal is Catholic from what I've observed - is there any reason how Polaria turned to Paganism? A French Revolution-style cult (such as the Cult of Supreme Being) would be an acceptable premise, but even France turned back Catholic years afyer the Revolution.

Also, it would be hard to turn back Iran into Zoroastrianism. The Zoroastrianists (or Majusi as called in Islamic literature) is still a vibrant community in Yazd, with rights guaranteed in the Constitution, however the population is largely secular (practising and non-practising Muslims alike included). The government is quite liberal so freedom of religion is guaranteed.

[Arvenia]

I think Ireland is ready to be visited by the Malagasy PM.

[Mathuvan Union]

I think Ireland is ready to be visited by the Malagasy PM.

*crickets chirping*

[Monsone]

Yes. But be warned that the war may lead to complications with the deal.

Did you get my telegram

Yes. And the tanks will be delivered that way.

[Monsone]

I'm still kinda reluctant to deal w/ Mideastern nations, tbh. And Persia was Zoroastrian (i think) but Islam is still a huge turnoff.

Polaria is secular and a religious duality (Pagans and Christian-Catholics)

We used to be Secular Pagans, but England started shit w/ the Roman Republic (which I'll call them since "The Vatican' would be a separatist term for the Polarian exclave.) which led me to become a duality.

Before that, I was secularist. I had to reclaim my Paganism because of the whole Rashidi Caliphate thing and how Paganism is the mortal enemy to Islam. Also because aesthetic and I like Paganism.

I'm very curious on how Constantine the Great failed to make Iberia Christian. It seems Portugal is Catholic from what I've observed - is there any reason how Polaria turned to Paganism? A French Revolution-style cult (such as the Cult of Supreme Being) would be an acceptable premise, but even France turned back Catholic years afyer the Revolution.

Also, it would be hard to turn back Iran into Zoroastrianism. The Zoroastrianists (or Majusi as called in Islamic literature) is still a vibrant community in Yazd, with rights guaranteed in the Constitution, however the population is largely secular (practising and non-practising Muslims alike included). The government is quite liberal so freedom of religion is guaranteed.

France was always Catholic. Just the government is secular and has been since 1905. There is of course a huge Muslim population and Jewish comunity too. But the government is deeply secular.

[Mathuvan Union]

Did you get my telegram

Yes. And the tanks will be delivered that way.

I’m guessing you don’t have the 160 extra planes I ordered which is why they will finish off in 1954. Also, did my investments help the French economy in any way?

[Monsone]

Yes. And the tanks will be delivered that way.

I’m guessing you don’t have the 160 extra planes I ordered which is why they will finish off in 1954. Also, did my investments help the French economy in any way?

Yes. They bankrolled infrastructure projects. The planes take a while to be built, but most will be delivered by 1953 with the last ones in 1954.

[Arvenia]

I guess that any UN member-state may propose to vote on Ireland's UN membership before 1955 (which was the year that Ireland joined the UN in our timeline).

[Wasi State]

I guess that any UN member-state may propose to vote on Ireland's UN membership before 1955 (which was the year that Ireland joined the UN in our timeline).

I mean it's not like anything else has been keeping historically in date.

[Wasi State]

Also noticing from the map, I see Guinea-Bissau is not currently a part of Poloaria, is this accurate?

[Mathuvan Union]

Also noticing from the map, I see Guinea-Bissau is not currently a part of Poloaria, is this accurate?

Ask Hypercapital. However I believe your statement is ibcorrect

[Wasi State]

Ask Hypercapital. However I believe your statement is ibcorrect

Fair point, guess it was an oversight on the map's part.

Also in case I get into a war anytime soon.

Year: 1950
Defense Headquarters: Pretoria
Commander in Chief: Prime Minister D.F. Malan
Minister of Defence: F.C. Eramus

South African Defense Forces:
Active Forces of Division Size: ~50,000
-1st South African Infantry Division
-2nd South African Infantry Division
-3rd South African Armored Division
-6th South African Armored Division

South African Command Forces:
Semi-Active Forces: ~40,000 Total at Full Deployment
-Cape Command
-South West Africa Command
-Pretoria Command
-Transvaal Command
-Pietermaritzburg Command
-Bloemfontein Command
-Natal Command
-Witwatersrand Command
Active Special Forces of Battalion Size: ~2,500
-1st Parachute Battalion
-1st Marine Battalion

Paramilitary Irregular Commando Units Estimated Strength: ~ 65,000 Total Strength in Full Deployment.

Overall Estimated Total Army Size at 157,500 in Full Mobilized Deployment (Without strict conscription laws). Currently 72,500 in active service.

[Mathuvan Union]

Ask Hypercapital. However I believe your statement is ibcorrect

Fair point, guess it was an oversight on the map's part.

Also in case I get into a war anytime soon.

Year: 1950
Defense Headquarters: Pretoria
Commander in Chief: Prime Minister D.F. Malan
Minister of Defence: F.C. Eramus

South African Defense Forces:
Active Forces of Division Size: ~50,000
-1st South African Infantry Division
-2nd South African Infantry Division
-3rd South African Armored Division
-6th South African Armored Division

South African Command Forces:
Semi-Active Forces: ~40,000 Total at Full Deployment
-Cape Command
-South West Africa Command
-Pretoria Command
-Transvaal Command
-Pietermaritzburg Command
-Bloemfontein Command
-Natal Command
-Witwatersrand Command
Active Special Forces of Battalion Size: ~2,500
-1st Parachute Battalion
-1st Marine Battalion

Paramilitary Irregular Commando Units Estimated Strength: ~ 65,000 Total Strength in Full Deployment.

Overall Estimated Total Army Size at 157,500 in Full Mobilized Deployment (Without strict conscription laws). Currently 72,500 in active service.

My first army would destroy that.

[Draos]

Fair point, guess it was an oversight on the map's part.

Also in case I get into a war anytime soon.

Year: 1950
Defense Headquarters: Pretoria
Commander in Chief: Prime Minister D.F. Malan
Minister of Defence: F.C. Eramus

South African Defense Forces:
Active Forces of Division Size: ~50,000
-1st South African Infantry Division
-2nd South African Infantry Division
-3rd South African Armored Division
-6th South African Armored Division

South African Command Forces:
Semi-Active Forces: ~40,000 Total at Full Deployment
-Cape Command
-South West Africa Command
-Pretoria Command
-Transvaal Command
-Pietermaritzburg Command
-Bloemfontein Command
-Natal Command
-Witwatersrand Command
Active Special Forces of Battalion Size: ~2,500
-1st Parachute Battalion
-1st Marine Battalion

Paramilitary Irregular Commando Units Estimated Strength: ~ 65,000 Total Strength in Full Deployment.

Overall Estimated Total Army Size at 157,500 in Full Mobilized Deployment (Without strict conscription laws). Currently 72,500 in active service.

My first army would destroy that.

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[Wasi State]

My first army would destroy that.

Weird flex but okay.
How big is Brazil's military then? What's it power projection? How many navel vessels and aircraft does it possess to facilitate an successful navel invasion from across the Atlantic?

[Monsone]

My first army would destroy that.

Weird flex but okay.
How big is Brazil's military then? What's it power projection? How many navel vessels and aircraft does it possess to facilitate an successful navel invasion from across the Atlantic?

It's big. But you're still NATO aligned, and the 1st, 2nd, and 4th largest navies in the world belong to NATO countries.

[Mathuvan Union]

Weird flex but okay.
How big is Brazil's military then? What's it power projection? How many navel vessels and aircraft does it possess to facilitate an successful navel invasion from across the Atlantic?

It's big. But you're still NATO aligned, and the 1st, 2nd, and 4th largest navies in the world belong to NATO countries.

My military is currently 6.8 million strong.
My navy is ok. Like top 25.
My airforce is 16th strongest or so

[Wasi State]

Weird flex but okay.
How big is Brazil's military then? What's it power projection? How many navel vessels and aircraft does it possess to facilitate an successful navel invasion from across the Atlantic?

It's big. But you're still NATO aligned, and the 1st, 2nd, and 4th largest navies in the world belong to NATO countries.

I mean yeah he's got like 5 times the population of me, so his proposed large military would make sense, but what this does imply is a need for navel investments in and around the Cape if anything else. Sure there's NATO, but I haven't seen the US or UK on here lately.

My military is currently 6.8 million strong.
My navy is ok. Like top 25.
My airforce is 16th strongest or so

Hang on, that's like a massive manpower expenditure into the military, hell for the entire planet even, even for Brazil that's a huge fraction of the population dedicated to the military (like just short of 1 in 5 people), even if it were only part-time service or not, that's a lot of people in active duty either way with no war to currently fight, that would be a huge sink into the budget of any country, and god knows what'll do to the GDP.

[Monsone]

It's big. But you're still NATO aligned, and the 1st, 2nd, and 4th largest navies in the world belong to NATO countries.

I mean yeah he's got like 5 times the population of me, so his proposed large military would make sense, but what this does imply is a need for navel investments in and around the Cape if anything else. Sure there's NATO, but I haven't seen the US or UK on here lately.

My military is currently 6.8 million strong.
My navy is ok. Like top 25.
My airforce is 16th strongest or so

Hang on, that's like a massive manpower expenditure into the military, hell for the entire planet even, even for Brazil that's a huge fraction of the population dedicated to the military (like just short of 1 in 5 people), even if it were only part-time service or not, that's a lot of people in active duty either way with no war to currently fight, that would be a huge sink into the budget of any country, and god knows what'll do to the GDP.

It would also mean the troops would be underfunded. Basically it would be the North Korean Army. I get that Brazil has a huge population, but it's not bigger than the USSR. During WW2, the Red Army was roughly 5 million strong in active service terms, and that was to fight off a massive invasion of the USSR, not to patrol the streets. And even though yo are at war with Argentina, your whole west coast is rebel prone. Chile and Peru are very patriotic countries. Especially Chile. So it's quite likely you would also be putting down rebellions left and right, with little actual military force to wage a war.

[Mathuvan Union]

I mean yeah he's got like 5 times the population of me, so his proposed large military would make sense, but what this does imply is a need for navel investments in and around the Cape if anything else. Sure there's NATO, but I haven't seen the US or UK on here lately.
Hang on, that's like a massive manpower expenditure into the military, hell for the entire planet even, even for Brazil that's a huge fraction of the population dedicated to the military (like just short of 1 in 5 people), even if it were only part-time service or not, that's a lot of people in active duty either way with no war to currently fight, that would be a huge sink into the budget of any country, and god knows what'll do to the GDP.

It would also mean the troops would be underfunded. Basically it would be the North Korean Army. I get that Brazil has a huge population, but it's not bigger than the USSR. During WW2, the Red Army was roughly 5 million strong in active service terms, and that was to fight off a massive invasion of the USSR, not to patrol the streets. And even though yo are at war with Argentina, your whole west coast is rebel prone. Chile and Peru are very patriotic countries. Especially Chile. So it's quite likely you would also be putting down rebellions left and right, with little actual military force to wage a war.

Including reserves. I forgot to include that sorry. Without reserves it’s like 2.2 million

[Draos]

It would also mean the troops would be underfunded. Basically it would be the North Korean Army. I get that Brazil has a huge population, but it's not bigger than the USSR. During WW2, the Red Army was roughly 5 million strong in active service terms, and that was to fight off a massive invasion of the USSR, not to patrol the streets. And even though yo are at war with Argentina, your whole west coast is rebel prone. Chile and Peru are very patriotic countries. Especially Chile. So it's quite likely you would also be putting down rebellions left and right, with little actual military force to wage a war.

Including reserves. I forgot to include that sorry. Without reserves it’s like 2.2 million

I feel tiny with my 155,000 troops.

[Mathuvan Union]

Including reserves. I forgot to include that sorry. Without reserves it’s like 2.2 million

I feel tiny with my 155,000 troops.

TBF my population is 102,000,000. But yes. You are tiny. Also, lots of the troops will go back to reserves once we beat Argentina. So then it will be 1million roughly

[Wasi State]

It would also mean the troops would be underfunded. Basically it would be the North Korean Army. I get that Brazil has a huge population, but it's not bigger than the USSR. During WW2, the Red Army was roughly 5 million strong in active service terms, and that was to fight off a massive invasion of the USSR, not to patrol the streets. And even though yo are at war with Argentina, your whole west coast is rebel prone. Chile and Peru are very patriotic countries. Especially Chile. So it's quite likely you would also be putting down rebellions left and right, with little actual military force to wage a war.

If your military is somehow larger than the Red Army's peak in WWII, I think something went wrong in the army size calculations for sure, I mean unless you wanna RP a North Korean style military budget for the lolz just to economically shoot yourself in the foot for added challenge just a few some few odd into years in the actual Cold War be my guest. But I'm not inclined to believe the Brazilian Military can support itself in any prolonged war against a suitably defended foreign power, I'm sorry but I can't. The numbers don't add up.

[Mathuvan Union]

It would also mean the troops would be underfunded. Basically it would be the North Korean Army. I get that Brazil has a huge population, but it's not bigger than the USSR. During WW2, the Red Army was roughly 5 million strong in active service terms, and that was to fight off a massive invasion of the USSR, not to patrol the streets. And even though yo are at war with Argentina, your whole west coast is rebel prone. Chile and Peru are very patriotic countries. Especially Chile. So it's quite likely you would also be putting down rebellions left and right, with little actual military force to wage a war.

If your military is somehow larger than the Red Army's peak in WWII, I think something went wrong in the army size calculations for sure, I mean unless you wanna RP a North Korean style military budget for the lolz just to economically shoot yourself in the foot for added challenge just a few some few odd into years in the actual Cold War be my guest. But I'm not inclined to believe the Brazilian Military can support itself in any prolonged war against a suitably defended foreign power, I'm sorry but I can't. The numbers don't add up.

If you’re gonna rant on about that you should probably read other posts of mine.
The majority of that are reserved, because it’s required for adults of 18 to enlist in the reserves. Even then, most get exempted because of the economy