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Postby Sarderia » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:43 pm

Bolslania, you're putting the price of goods too high. There's no way a blueprint cost $8 million, it would be $85 million in 2020 standards. I've raised this issue before but you don't seem to notice.
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Postby Monsone » Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:01 pm

Sarderia wrote:Bolslania, you're putting the price of goods too high. There's no way a blueprint cost $8 million, it would be $85 million in 2020 standards. I've raised this issue before but you don't seem to notice.

A T-34/85 tank cost 164,000 Rubles in 1945. That comes out to roughly $31,000 in 1945. Only an ultra advanced brand new tank could come remotely close to $500,000 in 1950. And even then, there are cheaper alternatives because right now, for $8 million, Iran could purchase 40 AMX-50/100s with their warranty and matinance and parts comtracts as well as the blueprints for the tank. And the AMX-50 is better than any Panzer IV or StuG IV.
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Postby Malay Raya » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:15 am

So what's happening in Egypt/Israel? I'm planning on drafting a UN resolution on stabilizing those countries if they are in anarchy and no one's applying before the resolution's in vote.
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Postby Draos » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:26 am

I should probably join the UN thread.
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Postby Sarderia » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:29 am

Monsone wrote:
Sarderia wrote:Bolslania, you're putting the price of goods too high. There's no way a blueprint cost $8 million, it would be $85 million in 2020 standards. I've raised this issue before but you don't seem to notice.

A T-34/85 tank cost 164,000 Rubles in 1945. That comes out to roughly $31,000 in 1945. Only an ultra advanced brand new tank could come remotely close to $500,000 in 1950. And even then, there are cheaper alternatives because right now, for $8 million, Iran could purchase 40 AMX-50/100s with their warranty and matinance and parts comtracts as well as the blueprints for the tank. And the AMX-50 is better than any Panzer IV or StuG IV.

I'll draft a telegram for it later.

Malay Raya wrote:So what's happening in Egypt/Israel? I'm planning on drafting a UN resolution on stabilizing those countries if they are in anarchy and no one's applying before the resolution's in vote.

Iran would support a two-state solution.
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Postby Draos » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:30 am

could someone give me a quick overhaul on how to participate since Technically I'm in it because I own Denmark Sweden and Norway.
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Postby Malay Raya » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:57 am

Draos wrote:could someone give me a quick overhaul on how to participate since Technically I'm in it because I own Denmark Sweden and Norway.

Basically your representative/delegates can vote for resolutions in the General Assembly and suggest new ones if you want to. You can also put forward your government's opinion on matters relating to said resolutions currently in vote.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:03 am

Sarderia wrote:
Monsone wrote:A T-34/85 tank cost 164,000 Rubles in 1945. That comes out to roughly $31,000 in 1945. Only an ultra advanced brand new tank could come remotely close to $500,000 in 1950. And even then, there are cheaper alternatives because right now, for $8 million, Iran could purchase 40 AMX-50/100s with their warranty and matinance and parts comtracts as well as the blueprints for the tank. And the AMX-50 is better than any Panzer IV or StuG IV.

I'll draft a telegram for it later.

Malay Raya wrote:So what's happening in Egypt/Israel? I'm planning on drafting a UN resolution on stabilizing those countries if they are in anarchy and no one's applying before the resolution's in vote.

Iran would support a two-state solution.

Wait, what two state solution? I thought we made an independent Israeli states, and monarchist puppets in Iran and Jordan.
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Postby Draos » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:04 am

Malay Raya wrote:
Draos wrote:could someone give me a quick overhaul on how to participate since Technically I'm in it because I own Denmark Sweden and Norway.

Basically your representative/delegates can vote for resolutions in the General Assembly and suggest new ones if you want to. You can also put forward your government's opinion on matters relating to said resolutions currently in vote.

Thank you I didn't want to jump in and mess things up
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Postby Malay Raya » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:10 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Sarderia wrote:I'll draft a telegram for it later.


Iran would support a two-state solution.

Wait, what two state solution? I thought we made an independent Israeli states, and monarchist puppets in Iran and Jordan.

Well I was referring to Palestine/Israel and Egypt in this case. and IC'ly we haven't touched upon those two nations yet. Both in UN and IC.
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Postby Sarderia » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:16 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Sarderia wrote:I'll draft a telegram for it later.


Iran would support a two-state solution.

Wait, what two state solution? I thought we made an independent Israeli states, and monarchist puppets in Iran and Jordan.

Well then, Iran would abstain as not to offend the more religionist aspects of the population.
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Postby Malay Raya » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:47 am

Based on my count, I believe that the resolution to admit Madagascar into UN received 8/8 AYE's. So I guess they're in?
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:19 am

Malay Raya wrote:Based on my count, I believe that the resolution to admit Madagascar into UN received 8/8 AYE's. So I guess they're in?

Damnit! I voted Nay.
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Postby Bolslania » Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:03 am

Sarderia wrote:Bolslania, you're putting the price of goods too high. There's no way a blueprint cost $8 million, it would be $85 million in 2020 standards. I've raised this issue before but you don't seem to notice.

Yeah I dropped it down to 300k

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Postby Mathuvan Union » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:19 am

Monsone did you get my telegram
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Postby Monsone » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:24 am

Mathuvan Union wrote:Monsone did you get my telegram

Yes. But be warned that the war may lead to complications with the deal.
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:39 am

Monsone wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:Monsone did you get my telegram

Yes. But be warned that the war may lead to complications with the deal.

My war will be wrapping up soon. I will refrain from war after that
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Postby Sarderia » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:42 am

Monsone wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:Monsone did you get my telegram

Yes. But be warned that the war may lead to complications with the deal.

Did you get my telegram
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Postby Draos » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:43 am

How long should I keep the war with Finland going if I want to puppet them?
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Postby Sarderia » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:44 am

Draos wrote:How long should I keep the war with Finland going if I want to puppet them?

Just show up with boats in Helsinki and RP the Finnish head of government negotiating a peace treaty, you could make them Scandinavian dependency/protectorate (kind of US-Puerto Rico relations)
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Postby Draos » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:48 am

Sarderia wrote:
Draos wrote:How long should I keep the war with Finland going if I want to puppet them?

Just show up with boats in Helsinki and RP the Finnish head of government negotiating a peace treaty, you could make them Scandinavian dependency/protectorate (kind of US-Puerto Rico relations)

Yeah but I took most of Lapland in 2 weeks and it got called God Moddy
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:50 am

Draos wrote:
Sarderia wrote:Just show up with boats in Helsinki and RP the Finnish head of government negotiating a peace treaty, you could make them Scandinavian dependency/protectorate (kind of US-Puerto Rico relations)

Yeah but I took most of Lapland in 2 weeks and it got called God Moddy

I was in a mood at that point sorry
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Postby Sarderia » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:53 am

Draos wrote:
Sarderia wrote:Just show up with boats in Helsinki and RP the Finnish head of government negotiating a peace treaty, you could make them Scandinavian dependency/protectorate (kind of US-Puerto Rico relations)

Yeah but I took most of Lapland in 2 weeks and it got called God Moddy

Maybe that's because Lapland is a rocky frozen permafrost and it'd be hard for an invasion force to fight Finnish guerillas (if even the Soviets failed one time, then Scandinavia would probably fail harder). On the contrary you have planes, boats and the mean to do an embargo. You can make it a territory (not annex Finland outright).
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Postby Draos » Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:01 pm

Sarderia wrote:
Draos wrote:Yeah but I took most of Lapland in 2 weeks and it got called God Moddy

Maybe that's because Lapland is a rocky frozen permafrost and it'd be hard for an invasion force to fight Finnish guerillas (if even the Soviets failed one time, then Scandinavia would probably fail harder). On the contrary you have planes, boats and the mean to do an embargo. You can make it a territory (not annex Finland outright).

My reasoning is that it's extremely sparsely populated with the vast majority of the Finnish defenses that were limited in the Treaty of Paris in 1947 were focused on the Soviet border.
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