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Postby Monsone » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:17 am

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1) It's a bit late for Libya. But it was no invasion. It was a coup to bring Idris to power as to gain an oil producing nation that is friendly to France. So rest assured that all French troops have already left Libya after the intervention ended.

2) France isn't invading left and right. Arabia was spured by an attack that killed 500 people in Sfax. Innocent civilians where killed by ruthless terrorists. So Arabia was beyond justified. If the same thing had happened in Iran, ypur response would be similar to mine. Czechoslovakia was because they where a threat to global peace and Germany participated to, as did the UK later on. It was an invasion to stop WW3 and not because of expansionisim. Lebanon had long been on the French list of territories that should be French in the public's opinion. So call it what you will, but Lebanon was s bloodless takeover. Syria was granted as a buffer zone by Iran to France to curb Turkish influence in the region by setting up a buffer state. And Libya was to gain an oil producing ally who would remain loyal to France. Call it Napoleonic, but two of those wars/interventions where to bring peace to the world, one was bloodless, the other was granted to France by Iran to curb Turkey and their influence, and the last one was for strategic reasons.

I will stop expanding whem my supply of natural resources isn't at risk. Whether that be via trade, diplomacy, or war, so be it. None of this would have happened if France didn't feel provoked to act and secure it's future by exerting it's influence forcefully. But I am willing to broker a deal, maybe even a full on trade partnership between the EETC and OPEC. But I would need the assurance that this deal won't backfire on me, or cause more trouble than it's worth.

Then the price war between Iran and Libya would still continue, unless Idris is taken down and the pre-coup government is restored. You already have Algeria and the Francophonie pact. Iran would also fund a coup against Idris in the future, as we did with Jordan and Palestine.


I'm offeting you a peaceful, meaningful solution. Yet you reject it because you fear competition from a country that wants to use it's resources to become modern and rich? And you also reject the proposition of a meaningful and mutually benefitial deal that could solve this easily. I'm starting to think that Iran has some deeper goal here.

Regardless of what it is, here is my final offer. The EETC and OPEC sign a comprehensive amd mutually beneficial trade deal, and the EETC will remain neutral in the Russian Civil War. After all, isn't this what you wanted all along? This is my final deal. And do tread carefully with Palestine. I believe the UK had plans for that area, and messing them up could have unintended consequences. Look, I'm trying to be reasonable here and reach a deal because in the long run, a price war would hurt everyone on all sides.
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Postby Sarderia » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:20 am

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Sarderia wrote:Do you want to start a trade agreement with Iran?


If I absolutely have to. I don't want to deal w/ the Persians/Iranians or their bloodmoney.

Bold of you to say bloodmoney while you made discreet deals with a pirate state.
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Sarderia wrote:Then the price war between Iran and Libya would still continue, unless Idris is taken down and the pre-coup government is restored. You already have Algeria and the Francophonie pact. Iran would also fund a coup against Idris in the future, as we did with Jordan and Palestine.


I'm offeting you a peaceful, meaningful solution. Yet you reject it because you fear competition from a country that wants to use it's resources to become modern and rich? And you also reject the proposition of a meaningful and mutually benefitial deal that could solve this easily. I'm starting to think that Iran has some deeper goal here.

Regardless of what it is, here is my final offer. The EETC and OPEC sign a comprehensive amd mutually beneficial trade deal, and the EETC will remain neutral in the Russian Civil War. After all, isn't this what you wanted all along? This is my final deal. And do tread carefully with Palestine. I believe the UK had plans for that area, and messing them up could have unintended consequences. Look, I'm trying to be reasonable here and reach a deal because in the long run, a price war would hurt everyone on all sides.

As long as France does not invade any other country in the future, and stay neutral in the Russian Civil War (all OPEC members are neutral, including India and Iran as far as I know) I'd agree to that.
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Postby Monsone » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:24 am

Sarderia wrote:
Hypercapital wrote:
If I absolutely have to. I don't want to deal w/ the Persians/Iranians or their bloodmoney.

Bold of you to say bloodmoney while you made discreet deals with a pirate state.
Monsone wrote:
I'm offeting you a peaceful, meaningful solution. Yet you reject it because you fear competition from a country that wants to use it's resources to become modern and rich? And you also reject the proposition of a meaningful and mutually benefitial deal that could solve this easily. I'm starting to think that Iran has some deeper goal here.

Regardless of what it is, here is my final offer. The EETC and OPEC sign a comprehensive amd mutually beneficial trade deal, and the EETC will remain neutral in the Russian Civil War. After all, isn't this what you wanted all along? This is my final deal. And do tread carefully with Palestine. I believe the UK had plans for that area, and messing them up could have unintended consequences. Look, I'm trying to be reasonable here and reach a deal because in the long run, a price war would hurt everyone on all sides.

As long as France does not invade any other country in the future, and stay neutral in the Russian Civil War (all OPEC members are neutral, including India and Iran as far as I know) I'd agree to that.

Very well. No more invasions will occur for the forseeable future unless it's demanded by NATO (and even then it might be up for debate). But in terms of neutrality, the EETC will stay strictly neutral with no support for either side of the conflict.
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Postby Sarderia » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:28 am

Monsone wrote:
Sarderia wrote:Bold of you to say bloodmoney while you made discreet deals with a pirate state.
As long as France does not invade any other country in the future, and stay neutral in the Russian Civil War (all OPEC members are neutral, including India and Iran as far as I know) I'd agree to that.

Very well. No more invasions will occur for the forseeable future unless it's demanded by NATO (and even then it might be up for debate). But in terms of neutrality, the EETC will stay strictly neutral with no support for either side of the conflict.

That is acceptable. And by my statement earlier I do not mean only EETC, but France specifically.
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Postby Monsone » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:29 am

Sarderia wrote:
Monsone wrote:Very well. No more invasions will occur for the forseeable future unless it's demanded by NATO (and even then it might be up for debate). But in terms of neutrality, the EETC will stay strictly neutral with no support for either side of the conflict.

That is acceptable. And by my statement earlier I do not mean only EETC, but France specifically.

Well sure, France will take the same position.
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Postby Arvenia » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:35 am

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Postby HypErcApitAl » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:08 am

Sarderia wrote:
Hypercapital wrote:
If I absolutely have to. I don't want to deal w/ the Persians/Iranians or their bloodmoney.

Bold of you to say bloodmoney while you made discreet deals with a pirate state.
Monsone wrote:
I'm offeting you a peaceful, meaningful solution. Yet you reject it because you fear competition from a country that wants to use it's resources to become modern and rich? And you also reject the proposition of a meaningful and mutually benefitial deal that could solve this easily. I'm starting to think that Iran has some deeper goal here.

Regardless of what it is, here is my final offer. The EETC and OPEC sign a comprehensive amd mutually beneficial trade deal, and the EETC will remain neutral in the Russian Civil War. After all, isn't this what you wanted all along? This is my final deal. And do tread carefully with Palestine. I believe the UK had plans for that area, and messing them up could have unintended consequences. Look, I'm trying to be reasonable here and reach a deal because in the long run, a price war would hurt everyone on all sides.

As long as France does not invade any other country in the future, and stay neutral in the Russian Civil War (all OPEC members are neutral, including India and Iran as far as I know) I'd agree to that.


Iran is... well, iran. Y'all're not liberal, y'all're allied to England, Y'all're islamic, and... that's basically enough right there for Polaria to not ally you.

Vaas is a no-good Anarcho-Capitalist, smuggler, bandit,raider state, but guess what? They're useful. They occupy the Bahamas (I think) and they also hate the British. I didn't want to deal w/ their asses atfirst, but I am kinda desperate and I'd basically need blackmail and whatnot on those damned English.
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Postby HypErcApitAl » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:16 am

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Sarderia wrote:Bold of you to say bloodmoney while you made discreet deals with a pirate state.
As long as France does not invade any other country in the future, and stay neutral in the Russian Civil War (all OPEC members are neutral, including India and Iran as far as I know) I'd agree to that.


Iran is... well, iran. Y'all're not liberal, y'all're allied to England, Y'all're islamic, and... that's basically enough right there for Polaria to not ally you.

Vaas is a no-good Anarcho-Capitalist, smuggler, bandit,raider state, but guess what? They're useful. They occupy the Bahamas (I think) and they also hate the British. I didn't want to deal w/ their asses atfirst, but I am kinda desperate and I'd basically need blackmail and whatnot on those damned English.


Plus, we don't care about the Middle East. Also, the OPEC thing messes w/ the Status Quo. Polaria is Europe First. What y'all did was upset the entire power dynamic, and now its upset even more w/ the USSR falling to shit, the French Economy also falling to shit, and now, my economy is fucking starting to fall too.

Cars and Manufacturing won't save my ass for long, but the French are a good-ass neighbor to have, and I sure-as-hell wouldn't want to border Germany or Italy or any ex-Axis power. I border the Gommunists in Asia (w/ Macau) and that's good-enough.

I'm allied to Chiang Kai-shek (or it may be the other way around), so that helps. I'd like to ally w/ Siam, but they may hate my guts. I kinda don't want to ally w/ those Monarchist, Fascist Collaborators anyways.

Polaria is trying to destroy Fascism, Nazism and anything else that'd ruin/end stability in the country and keep its citizens safe. Everyone else is constantly fucking up shit, now including France (again) since they can't keep themselves stable.

Germany and alot of countries have been spying on my ass for awhile, and I'm still in deep shit w/ England, so I can't not think of England.

I'm still gonna pursue the Commonwealth document, but that'll take awhile (as Polaria and Portugal are waiting for the right, exact time) but at the same time, I'm trying to move so where I still keep my Soc friends as friends.
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Postby Sarderia » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:42 am

Hypercapital wrote:
Sarderia wrote:Bold of you to say bloodmoney while you made discreet deals with a pirate state.
As long as France does not invade any other country in the future, and stay neutral in the Russian Civil War (all OPEC members are neutral, including India and Iran as far as I know) I'd agree to that.


Iran is... well, iran. Y'all're not liberal, y'all're allied to England, Y'all're islamic, and... that's basically enough right there for Polaria to not ally you.

Vaas is a no-good Anarcho-Capitalist, smuggler, bandit,raider state, but guess what? They're useful. They occupy the Bahamas (I think) and they also hate the British. I didn't want to deal w/ their asses atfirst, but I am kinda desperate and I'd basically need blackmail and whatnot on those damned English.

1. Iran is liberal and democratic. This is not the Iranian Revolution state, this is the Imperial State, that is the Shah as the Head of State. Historically, there is freedom of expression, multiple political party, women and minorities (Turks and Arabs) rights and suffrage, and they don't require niqabs and hijabs everywhere. The Iranian Revolution happened in the 1970s, which is still 2 decades in the future.

2. Well, the majority religion is still Shia Islam, but there is a large Sunni and Eastern Christian minority. The Iranian state has no official religion, and atheism is permitted (which is not the case for many European countries in 1950). Again, this is all historical facts (Imperial Iran in reality).

3. Iran did has historical and current friendly economic ties with Britain, but it don't have military alliance. Not yet. And Iran occupies the British Virgin Islands (though the puppet Republic of VI)

As for the OPEC thing, you can't really blame the OPEC nations. Everyone wants a bit of wealth and power, and it's about time 3rd World countries rise to be an economic giant.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:13 am

Fine, I'll stop supporting Anastasia.
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:18 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Fine, I'll stop supporting Anastasia.

I don’t even get why you did in the first place.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:20 am

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Fine, I'll stop supporting Anastasia.

I don’t even get why you did in the first place.

To end the USSR. Plus, we are both Monarchist.
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:37 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:I don’t even get why you did in the first place.

To end the USSR. Plus, we are both Monarchist.

Ummm do your research, the romanovs oppressed their peoples heavily and purged the populace, they weren’t good either. Not only that, but they lost to Japan in 1905. The bolsheviks beat the Japanese.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:44 am

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:To end the USSR. Plus, we are both Monarchist.

Ummm do your research, the romanovs oppressed their peoples heavily and purged the populace, they weren’t good either. Not only that, but they lost to Japan in 1905. The bolsheviks beat the Japanese.

They murdered less people, and you forget the Bolsheviks surrendered to the Germans, and helped in Poland. The second and third one weren't friendship per say, but the Tsars were a lot better. I even supported efforts to constitutionalize the monarchy and prevent freedom abuse.
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:50 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:Ummm do your research, the romanovs oppressed their peoples heavily and purged the populace, they weren’t good either. Not only that, but they lost to Japan in 1905. The bolsheviks beat the Japanese.

They murdered less people, and you forget the Bolsheviks surrendered to the Germans, and helped in Poland. The second and third one weren't friendship per say, but the Tsars were a lot better. I even supported efforts to constitutionalize the monarchy and prevent freedom abuse.

Bro the last Czar dissolved the Duma.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:53 am

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:They murdered less people, and you forget the Bolsheviks surrendered to the Germans, and helped in Poland. The second and third one weren't friendship per say, but the Tsars were a lot better. I even supported efforts to constitutionalize the monarchy and prevent freedom abuse.

Bro the last Czar dissolved the Duma.

That was before Anastasia. According to North American Soviet Socialist Republic, she was taught in Britain to be a better ruler.
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:03 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Mathuvan Union wrote:Bro the last Czar dissolved the Duma.

That was before Anastasia. According to North American Soviet Socialist Republic, she was taught in Britain to be a better ruler.

IRL that theory was shredded to pieces because she was shot dead along with everyone else in her family that day
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:07 am

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:That was before Anastasia. According to North American Soviet Socialist Republic, she was taught in Britain to be a better ruler.

IRL that theory was shredded to pieces because she was shot dead along with everyone else in her family that day

We're talking about this timeline.
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Postby Wasi State » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:11 am

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Postby Draos » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:31 am

I'm hoping to begin a series of skirmishes that leads to a battle at Oulu which is about 2 and a half hours to the south west of Kuusamo which is where my last post took place. I also kinda want to try and do a Amphibious invasion of Turku but I don't think 38 ships is even close enough to pull off that kind of operation
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Postby Sarderia » Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:58 am

Germany, why do you decline? At least let me have the StuG
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:58 am

Sarderia wrote:Germany, why do you decline? At least let me have the StuG

ditto. I need better planes
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Postby Malay Raya » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:05 am

I understand German's decision about not giving it to Brazil since they were not that close to be giving off blueprints to each other. Iran, well there is some basis of friendly relations to give them but I guess it depends on the government.
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:16 am

Malay Raya wrote:I understand German's decision about not giving it to Brazil since they were not that close to be giving off blueprints to each other. Iran, well there is some basis of friendly relations to give them but I guess it depends on the government.

I need a better plane. that's why. at least a plane.
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Postby Monsone » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:17 am

Sarderia wrote:Germany, why do you decline? At least let me have the StuG

For a similar price I can sell you AMX-13 tanks and Panhard EBRs. And for significantly more money, you can buy AMX-50 series tanks.
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