Cold War RP: Reboot, (OPEN)

[Monsone]

i will stop backing france if i don't get any aid ASAP

and then you had the nerve to plan the meeting in Lille, which is too damn far

Lille isn't that far. I could have said Noumea, and that's far. You will receive aid in the form of French loans shortly. But Polaria needs a large dose of capitalisim to help fix the economy.

[Wasi State]

It would be good to inform you that Britain has control of the diamond mines in South Africa through their companies (which he only brought up after I mentioned the irl fact he didn't have control over them).

Hey man that ain't cool, would that be retconned since I assumed control of the nation though? Or would I have to deal with that problem?

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

It would be good to inform you that Britain has control of the diamond mines in South Africa through their companies (which he only brought up after I mentioned the irl fact he didn't have control over them).

Hey man that ain't cool, would that be retconned since I assumed control of the nation though? Or would I have to deal with that problem?

Considering you're still a colony of Britain at this time, you would be considered a puppet, so you may just have to deal with it.

[Wasi State]

Considering you're still a colony of Britain at this time, you would be considered a puppet, so you may just have to deal with it.

Ripperoni

[Sarderia]

@Sarderia. IDK why you think Libyan oil would become cost prohibitive by selling more of your oil? IRL Libyan oil extraction costs are really low and both Libyan and Algerian oil are Sweet Crude Petroleum, which is more desirable than Sour Crude Petroleum.

Well, Iran has the largest sweet crude (Iran Light and Arab light) oil in the world, so I don't know how it could be a problem? The oil extraction wells in Kurdistan and Western Iran are already estabilished, so does the pipeline, all the work I stated IC is just to upgrade the oil bearing capacity. There are also estabilished refineries in the Turkish-Iranian border, so why not? It could churn more oil than Libya, not to mention the costs are lower because it uses a pipeline, while Libyan oil needs to be pipelined to the shore and then carried with tankers. Besides, the primary customer for Iran is Eastern and Central Europe right now.

[Sarderia]

For your information, the DRA is friendly with the British. You don't get to reclaim anything here because the DRA itself is kind of a British offshoot.

And yes, Iran and India will intervene. We were both British colonies so you can't really call for Britain's help

The Foreign Ministry would beg to defer to the legitimacy of holding with recently occupied British Territory in a questionable light in the African Continent. We have vowed to retake it back in due time no matter the political repercussions. (This is RPing banter btw)

I thought the British was fine on it. They did occupy Namibia once, but they signed a peace agreement with the British. Isn't SA basically British puppet rn?

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

Considering you're still a colony of Britain at this time, you would be considered a puppet, so you may just have to deal with it.

Ripperoni

On the bright side though, you will eventually gain independence from Britain in 1961 (if I remember correctly from the video I just watched today). You can of course speed up this process if you want to, but it will take time. Any drastic move will likely provoke a hostile response from the British.

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

The Foreign Ministry would beg to defer to the legitimacy of holding with recently occupied British Territory in a questionable light in the African Continent. We have vowed to retake it back in due time no matter the political repercussions. (This is RPing banter btw)

I thought the British was fine on it. They did occupy Namibia once, but they signed a peace agreement with the British. Isn't SA basically British puppet rn?

Yes at least until 1961.

[Monsone]

@Sarderia. IDK why you think Libyan oil would become cost prohibitive by selling more of your oil? IRL Libyan oil extraction costs are really low and both Libyan and Algerian oil are Sweet Crude Petroleum, which is more desirable than Sour Crude Petroleum.

Well, Iran has the largest sweet crude (Iran Light and Saudi Arabia-Arab light) oil in the world, so I don't know how it could be a problem? The oil extraction wells in Kurdistan and Western Iran are already estabilished, so does the pipeline, all the work I stated IC is just to upgrade the oil bearing capacity. There are also estabilished refineries in the Turkish-Iranian border, so why not? It could churn more oil than Libya, not to mention the costs are lower because it uses a pipeline, while Libyan oil needs to be pipelined to the shore and then carried with tankers. Besides, the primary customer for Iran is Eastern and Central Europe right now.

My bigger question is why Iran is trying to saber-rattle witj France? Seems strange to me. Sure we have differences, but in the end, cooperation would be better than a price war. Plus, there are still heavier metaphorical artillery in the French geopolitical arsenal that haven't been used yet for obvious reasons. So what will it be, economic war, détente, or cooperation with the EETC and France?

[Wasi State]

The Foreign Ministry would beg to defer to the legitimacy of holding with recently occupied British Territory in a questionable light in the African Continent. We have vowed to retake it back in due time no matter the political repercussions. (This is RPing banter btw)

I thought the British was fine on it. They did occupy Namibia once, but they signed a peace agreement with the British. Isn't SA basically British puppet rn?

I mean Namibia is occupied still by South Africa, but given the Nationalist Government for Nationalist government sake, they will argue with any foreign claims for British's sake. (and their sakes ontop of it)

[Sarderia]

I thought the British was fine on it. They did occupy Namibia once, but they signed a peace agreement with the British. Isn't SA basically British puppet rn?

I mean Namibia is occupied still by South Africa, but given the Nationalist Government for Nationalist government sake, they will argue with any foreign claims for British's sake. (and their sakes ontop of it)

No, I mean as the British have already handed out Rhodesia to the DRA. It gained independence, and the British immediately transferred it to DRA control. It makes no sense for the British to take it back, much less a British puppet government with no legal relations to the Rhodesian colony.

[Sarderia]

Well, Iran has the largest sweet crude (Iran Light and Saudi Arabia-Arab light) oil in the world, so I don't know how it could be a problem? The oil extraction wells in Kurdistan and Western Iran are already estabilished, so does the pipeline, all the work I stated IC is just to upgrade the oil bearing capacity. There are also estabilished refineries in the Turkish-Iranian border, so why not? It could churn more oil than Libya, not to mention the costs are lower because it uses a pipeline, while Libyan oil needs to be pipelined to the shore and then carried with tankers. Besides, the primary customer for Iran is Eastern and Central Europe right now.

My bigger question is why Iran is trying to saber-rattle witj France? Seems strange to me. Sure we have differences, but in the end, cooperation would be better than a price war. Plus, there are still heavier metaphorical artillery in the French geopolitical arsenal that haven't been used yet for obvious reasons. So what will it be, economic war, détente, or cooperation with the EETC and France?

What "metaphorical artillery" do France hold leverage against Iran? We already enjoy the support of OPEC as main trading partners; Poland, Germany and Grear Britain for economic links in Europe (heck Iran even gave Germany loans), we are self-sufficient agriculture wise, Iran's mountainous regions being a large reserve of minerals (even having 8th largest iron reserves in the world). France is not the United States on which NATO and Europe relies on economically. Even Britain should have a larger influence on NATO than France.

Stop your invasion of Libya and we'll stop the price war. Most nations currently see France as the cause for global economic downturn, and your invasion of Libya certainly doesn't help that position politically or economically.

I'm not trying to agitate France or the EETC atm. On the contrary France seems to think it could become another Napoleon and invade wherever it likes. First Arabia, then Czechoslovakia, Lebanon, Syria and now Libya. The French invasion of Lebanon alone is enough to piss out the Iranian government (being so close to Iranian borders). You could stop your desire for expansion and play out like every other normal European country.

[Wasi State]

No, I mean as the British have already handed out Rhodesia to the DRA. It gained independence, and the British immediately transferred it to DRA control. It makes no sense for the British to take it back, much less a British puppet government with no legal relations to the Rhodesian colony.

You'd still have illogical reclaimers in a sense, no matter how hopeless their cause ultimately are, with South Africa housing them, it's a wonder of hijinks in the region for sure. Them succeeding would be a greater surprise to many.

[Sarderia]

No, I mean as the British have already handed out Rhodesia to the DRA. It gained independence, and the British immediately transferred it to DRA control. It makes no sense for the British to take it back, much less a British puppet government with no legal relations to the Rhodesian colony.

You'd still have illogical reclaimers in a sense, no matter how hopeless their cause ultimately are, with South Africa housing them, it's a wonder of hijinks in the region for sure. Them succeeding would be a greater surprise to many.

Well then, I think the more logical faction of the SA Government would at least stamp them out, as it'll harm relations with the British and DRA both. Plus the ANC would never support an invasion of a native African government.

[Sarderia]

Why blame me? It's poor economic management that will slow the recovery. The crash is in the past, now it's time to focus on your recovery.

polaria gets no one's help, economic or otherwise

europe needs to stop treating us like an island

and shit, they treat their islands (England and Ireland) way better

Do you want to start a trade agreement with Iran?

[Wasi State]

Well then, I think the more logical faction of the SA Government would at least stamp them out, as it'll harm relations with the British and DRA both. Plus the ANC would never support an invasion of a native African government.

Ah, but then that wouldn't make for a potential good story now would it? Conflict is destined to drive the region, why not let it drive an internal strife within a country and set it on a path.

[Sarderia]

Well then, I think the more logical faction of the SA Government would at least stamp them out, as it'll harm relations with the British and DRA both. Plus the ANC would never support an invasion of a native African government.

Ah, but then that wouldn't make for a potential good story now would it? Conflict is destined to drive the region, why not let it drive an internal strife within a country and set it on a path.

South Africa Civil War!

Oh, I'll meddle a little bit, certainly. For reasons none other than to get that shiny Transvaal gold.

[Wasi State]

South Africa Civil War!

Oh, I'll meddle a little bit, certainly. For reasons none other than to get that shiny Transvaal gold.

Now you're getting it, a nation of nations rife in the middle of civil conflict, you know what's gonna happen next .

[Sarderia]

South Africa Civil War!

Oh, I'll meddle a little bit, certainly. For reasons none other than to get that shiny Transvaal gold.

Now you're getting it, a nation of nations rife in the middle of civil conflict, you know what's gonna happen next .

Question, would this Republic be Afrikaner-led or English-led? If the Afrikaners are in command then it'd make sense for them to invade Rhodesia, after all the Boers did reach Rhodesia in the Great Trek.

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

Now you're getting it, a nation of nations rife in the middle of civil conflict, you know what's gonna happen next .

Question, would this Republic be Afrikaner-led or English-led? If the Afrikaners are in command then it'd make sense for them to invade Rhodesia, after all the Boers did reach Rhodesia in the Great Trek.

As of now, it should be English-led. It will likely remain that way until 1991 when Apartheid finally ends.

EDIT: I'm assuming you're talking about South Africa?

[Wasi State]

Question, would this Republic be Afrikaner-led or English-led? If the Afrikaners are in command then it'd make sense for them to invade Rhodesia, after all the Boers did reach Rhodesia in the Great Trek.

It's Afrikaner led at the moment with National Party, so Rhodesia is a major point of contention with them, as it not being "white" and European controlled is a 'problem' with them that they vowed to sort out one way or another.

[HypErcApitAl]

i will stop backing france if i don't get any aid ASAP

and then you had the nerve to plan the meeting in Lille, which is too damn far

Lille isn't that far. I could have said Noumea, and that's far. You will receive aid in the form of French loans shortly. But Polaria needs a large dose of capitalisim to help fix the economy.

shit's almost in Belgium.

Still made my Chairman die of Boredom, though.

[HypErcApitAl]

polaria gets no one's help, economic or otherwise

europe needs to stop treating us like an island

and shit, they treat their islands (England and Ireland) way better

Do you want to start a trade agreement with Iran?

If I absolutely have to. I don't want to deal w/ the Persians/Iranians or their bloodmoney.

[Monsone]

My bigger question is why Iran is trying to saber-rattle witj France? Seems strange to me. Sure we have differences, but in the end, cooperation would be better than a price war. Plus, there are still heavier metaphorical artillery in the French geopolitical arsenal that haven't been used yet for obvious reasons. So what will it be, economic war, détente, or cooperation with the EETC and France?

What "metaphorical artillery" do France hold leverage against Iran? We already enjoy the support of OPEC as main trading partners; Poland, Germany and Grear Britain for economic links in Europe (heck Iran even gave Germany loans), we are self-sufficient agriculture wise, Iran's mountainous regions being a large reserve of minerals (even having 8th largest iron reserves in the world). France is not the United States on which NATO and Europe relies on economically. Even Britain should have a larger influence on NATO than France.

Stop your invasion of Libya and we'll stop the price war. Most nations currently see France as the cause for global economic downturn, and your invasion of Libya certainly doesn't help that position politically or economically.

I'm not trying to agitate France or the EETC atm. On the contrary France seems to think it could become another Napoleon and invade wherever it likes. First Arabia, then Czechoslovakia, Lebanon, Syria and now Libya. The French invasion of Lebanon alone is enough to piss out the Iranian government (being so close to Iranian borders). You could stop your desire for expansion and play out like every other normal European country.

1) It's a bit late for Libya. But it was no invasion. It was a coup to bring Idris to power as to gain an oil producing nation that is friendly to France. So rest assured that all French troops have already left Libya after the intervention ended.

2) France isn't invading left and right. Arabia was spured by an attack that killed 500 people in Sfax. Innocent civilians where killed by ruthless terrorists. So Arabia was beyond justified. If the same thing had happened in Iran, ypur response would be similar to mine. Czechoslovakia was because they where a threat to global peace and Germany participated to, as did the UK later on. It was an invasion to stop WW3 and not because of expansionisim. Lebanon had long been on the French list of territories that should be French in the public's opinion. So call it what you will, but Lebanon was s bloodless takeover. Syria was granted as a buffer zone by Iran to France to curb Turkish influence in the region by setting up a buffer state. And Libya was to gain an oil producing ally who would remain loyal to France. Call it Napoleonic, but two of those wars/interventions where to bring peace to the world, one was bloodless, the other was granted to France by Iran to curb Turkey and their influence, and the last one was for strategic reasons.

I will stop expanding whem my supply of natural resources isn't at risk. Whether that be via trade, diplomacy, or war, so be it. None of this would have happened if France didn't feel provoked to act and secure it's future by exerting it's influence forcefully. But I am willing to broker a deal, maybe even a full on trade partnership between the EETC and OPEC. But I would need the assurance that this deal won't backfire on me, or cause more trouble than it's worth.

[Sarderia]

What "metaphorical artillery" do France hold leverage against Iran? We already enjoy the support of OPEC as main trading partners; Poland, Germany and Grear Britain for economic links in Europe (heck Iran even gave Germany loans), we are self-sufficient agriculture wise, Iran's mountainous regions being a large reserve of minerals (even having 8th largest iron reserves in the world). France is not the United States on which NATO and Europe relies on economically. Even Britain should have a larger influence on NATO than France.

Stop your invasion of Libya and we'll stop the price war. Most nations currently see France as the cause for global economic downturn, and your invasion of Libya certainly doesn't help that position politically or economically.

I'm not trying to agitate France or the EETC atm. On the contrary France seems to think it could become another Napoleon and invade wherever it likes. First Arabia, then Czechoslovakia, Lebanon, Syria and now Libya. The French invasion of Lebanon alone is enough to piss out the Iranian government (being so close to Iranian borders). You could stop your desire for expansion and play out like every other normal European country.

1) It's a bit late for Libya. But it was no invasion. It was a coup to bring Idris to power as to gain an oil producing nation that is friendly to France. So rest assured that all French troops have already left Libya after the intervention ended.

2) France isn't invading left and right. Arabia was spured by an attack that killed 500 people in Sfax. Innocent civilians where killed by ruthless terrorists. So Arabia was beyond justified. If the same thing had happened in Iran, ypur response would be similar to mine. Czechoslovakia was because they where a threat to global peace and Germany participated to, as did the UK later on. It was an invasion to stop WW3 and not because of expansionisim. Lebanon had long been on the French list of territories that should be French in the public's opinion. So call it what you will, but Lebanon was s bloodless takeover. Syria was granted as a buffer zone by Iran to France to curb Turkish influence in the region by setting up a buffer state. And Libya was to gain an oil producing ally who would remain loyal to France. Call it Napoleonic, but two of those wars/interventions where to bring peace to the world, one was bloodless, the other was granted to France by Iran to curb Turkey and their influence, and the last one was for strategic reasons.

I will stop expanding whem my supply of natural resources isn't at risk. Whether that be via trade, diplomacy, or war, so be it. None of this would have happened if France didn't feel provoked to act and secure it's future by exerting it's influence forcefully. But I am willing to broker a deal, maybe even a full on trade partnership between the EETC and OPEC. But I would need the assurance that this deal won't backfire on me, or cause more trouble than it's worth.

Then the price war between Iran and France would still continue, unless Idris is taken down and the pre-coup government is restored. You already have Algeria and the Francophonie pact. Iran would also fund a coup against Idris in the future, as we did with Jordan and Palestine. And furthermore, EETC partnership don't mean too much to Iran while we already have partnership with 3 major European countries, aside from being an OPEC member. We could always forge an agreement with individual states anyways.

France feeling provoked to act is really just your feelings alone. No one threatened the French economy or tried to start a trade war with France. The problem is aside from the wars, you intervened in Brazil and Russia and Argentina and Chile, every major international conflict has the French sticking out its nose. While that might be an OOC reason its's just so many people are fed up with you trying to act as America.