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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:27 pm

Sarderia wrote:Okay, I kinda want to maintain neutral relations to France atm, but I stated a "dumping" economic practice against France in my recent post. Actually it's done to support Germany, which wanted to be the no 1 industrial producer in Europe - Germany dumped goods in Europe while Iran sent extremely cheap products everywhere in the world to outcompete the French products. But I kinda don't want a French outburst regarding that, so should I remove it?

I can hold Germany hostage with the EETC making them choose between the EETC and OPEC and Iran. And that would be a tough decision for Germany to make.
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Postby Sarderia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:33 pm

Monsone wrote:
Sarderia wrote:Okay, I kinda want to maintain neutral relations to France atm, but I stated a "dumping" economic practice against France in my recent post. Actually it's done to support Germany, which wanted to be the no 1 industrial producer in Europe - Germany dumped goods in Europe while Iran sent extremely cheap products everywhere in the world to outcompete the French products. But I kinda don't want a French outburst regarding that, so should I remove it?

I can hold Germany hostage with the EETC making them choose between the EETC and OPEC and Iran. And that would be a tough decision for Germany to make.

well at least they have Great Britain and Poland.

Regardless, I shall remove the dumping part. It would harm my bid to procure that French blueprints in the future.
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Postby Draos » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:45 pm

Does 2 irl days sound good for the Scandinavian troops to reach the Finnish border?
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Postby Bolslania » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:49 pm

Monsone wrote:So, point of clarification, can we RP the factions we support in the Soviet/Russian Civil War?


As Co-op I say sure as of right now, but FWM has the final say on that.

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Postby Bolslania » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:50 pm

Draos wrote:Does 2 irl days sound good for the Scandinavian troops to reach the Finnish border?


1 IRL day= 1 in game month. So take that into consideration.

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Postby Bolslania » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:51 pm

Monsone wrote:
Sarderia wrote:Okay, I kinda want to maintain neutral relations to France atm, but I stated a "dumping" economic practice against France in my recent post. Actually it's done to support Germany, which wanted to be the no 1 industrial producer in Europe - Germany dumped goods in Europe while Iran sent extremely cheap products everywhere in the world to outcompete the French products. But I kinda don't want a French outburst regarding that, so should I remove it?

I can hold Germany hostage with the EETC making them choose between the EETC and OPEC and Iran. And that would be a tough decision for Germany to make.


And it would be bad for you if I chose Iran and OPEC. Because you'd lose your discounts on my equipment, industry, materials, and any access to my nuclear program.

Not as a threat, but you might want to choose something else to blackmail me with.

BTW, I'm not completely cutting you like Iran is, I'm just going to produce a shitload of my stuff to compete with you.
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:59 pm

Bolslania wrote:
Monsone wrote:I can hold Germany hostage with the EETC making them choose between the EETC and OPEC and Iran. And that would be a tough decision for Germany to make.


And it would be bad for you if I chose Iran and OPEC. Because you'd lose your discounts on my equipment, industry, materials, and any access to my nuclear program.

Not as a threat, but you might want to choose something else to blackmail me with.

BTW, I'm not completely cutting you like Iran is, I'm just going to produce a shitload of my stuff to compete with you.


Gues I'll have to invade somewhere for oil at this rate as to barely kerp up with demand. Also, why would you choose Iran? All they have that you need is oil. I guet the doing buisness to aquire oil part, but why would Germany just give up on Europe and the EETC? It would cut Germany out of a large chunk of the European market and would harm Getman exports in doing so.
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Postby Draos » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:05 pm

Bolslania wrote:
Draos wrote:Does 2 irl days sound good for the Scandinavian troops to reach the Finnish border?


1 IRL day= 1 in game month. So take that into consideration.

A month sounds like it'd be enough time for them to either negotiate for a Peaceful annexation or the forces to be in place.
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Postby Bolslania » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:14 pm

Monsone wrote:
Bolslania wrote:
And it would be bad for you if I chose Iran and OPEC. Because you'd lose your discounts on my equipment, industry, materials, and any access to my nuclear program.

Not as a threat, but you might want to choose something else to blackmail me with.

BTW, I'm not completely cutting you like Iran is, I'm just going to produce a shitload of my stuff to compete with you.


Gues I'll have to invade somewhere for oil at this rate as to barely kerp up with demand. Also, why would you choose Iran? All they have that you need is oil. I guet the doing buisness to aquire oil part, but why would Germany just give up on Europe and the EETC? It would cut Germany out of a large chunk of the European market and would harm Getman exports in doing so.



I have not once said I'm leaving the EETC. That's you saying you're going to blackmail me with it.

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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:27 pm

Bolslania wrote:
Monsone wrote:
Gues I'll have to invade somewhere for oil at this rate as to barely kerp up with demand. Also, why would you choose Iran? All they have that you need is oil. I guet the doing buisness to aquire oil part, but why would Germany just give up on Europe and the EETC? It would cut Germany out of a large chunk of the European market and would harm Getman exports in doing so.



I have not once said I'm leaving the EETC. That's you saying you're going to blackmail me with it.


Well regardless, it's an outdated policy now. Iran and it's geopolitics are a bit of an afterthought now that I found the perfect source of oil for not just France and Italy, but all of Europe.
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Postby Bolslania » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:28 pm

Monsone wrote:
Bolslania wrote:

I have not once said I'm leaving the EETC. That's you saying you're going to blackmail me with it.


Well regardless, it's an outdated policy now. Iran and it's geopolitics are a bit of an afterthought now that I found the perfect source of oil for not just France and Italy, but all of Europe.


Well I'm not buying all of my oil from you, I'm going to buy some from you, and some from OPEC as well

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Postby Draos » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:30 pm

I don't know who I import oil from since Norway doesn't discover it's own oil until 1963 or so
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:37 pm

Bolslania wrote:
Monsone wrote:
Well regardless, it's an outdated policy now. Iran and it's geopolitics are a bit of an afterthought now that I found the perfect source of oil for not just France and Italy, but all of Europe.


Well I'm not buying all of my oil from you, I'm going to buy some from you, and some from OPEC as well


That's completely fine.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:43 pm

hello, France. Invading Libya, aren't we?
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:49 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:hello, France. Invading Libya, aren't we?

What the shit? I’m away for a few hours and you decide to invade Libya?
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:49 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:hello, France. Invading Libya, aren't we?

Invading Libya? Not really. It's more so regime change for beneficial reasons like oil.
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:51 pm

Mathuvan Union wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:hello, France. Invading Libya, aren't we?

What the shit? I’m away for a few hours and you decide to invade Libya?

Well I need oil, so I just improvised, adapted, and the overcame by deciding to invade the poorest part of North Africa to instal a dictator who will supply France, the EETC, and NATO with oil
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Postby Draos » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:52 pm

France is the new USA confirmed.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:53 pm

Monsone wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:hello, France. Invading Libya, aren't we?

Invading Libya? Not really. It's more so regime change for beneficial reasons like oil.

And you claim to be altruistic. You got yourself into this mess by supporting the Tsarists. Now you invade Libya because a country with a desert as it's main view is doing better economically than you will for a year.
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:03 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Monsone wrote:Invading Libya? Not really. It's more so regime change for beneficial reasons like oil.

And you claim to be altruistic. You got yourself into this mess by supporting the Tsarists. Now you invade Libya because a country with a desert as it's main view is doing better economically than you will for a year.


This point makes no sense, but let me explain. If Iran and OPEC are going to play bully with France, the side effects look like this. Also, Libya doesn't so much do well as it's GDP has weird growth rates that are erratic thanks to the constantly changing price of oil. I belive in 1947 the Libyan GDP grew by 42%, but that was because of oil prices and not the country necessarily getting richer.
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:04 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Monsone wrote:Invading Libya? Not really. It's more so regime change for beneficial reasons like oil.

And you claim to be altruistic. You got yourself into this mess by supporting the Tsarists. Now you invade Libya because a country with a desert as it's main view is doing better economically than you will for a year.


I never supported th Tsarists. You did. I supported the USSR and now I support a democratic Russia (Free Russia anybody?).
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Postby Draos » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:10 pm

Monsone wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:And you claim to be altruistic. You got yourself into this mess by supporting the Tsarists. Now you invade Libya because a country with a desert as it's main view is doing better economically than you will for a year.


I never supported th Tsarists. You did. I supported the USSR and now I support a democratic Russia (Free Russia anybody?).

As long as I can take Estonia.
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:13 pm

Draos wrote:
Monsone wrote:
I never supported th Tsarists. You did. I supported the USSR and now I support a democratic Russia (Free Russia anybody?).

As long as I can take Estonia.


Why?
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Postby Draos » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:17 pm

Monsone wrote:
Draos wrote:As long as I can take Estonia.


Why?

Reform the Swedish empire because why not
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:18 pm

Draos wrote:
Monsone wrote:
Why?

Reform the Swedish empire because why not


Alright, the Baltics can go. But I think that's the extent of land that Russia would be willing to give up.
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