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Monsone
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:21 am

Sarderia wrote:If France is able to fuck up Russia, going to war with Arabia, and send 3 million troops against Czechoslovakia I don't see the need of Marshall Plan rn. You can always conjure more money (or godmod the hell out of it) to fuel your industry.

I mean, seriously, if you wanna play superpower so badly why don't you just take America from the start? It'd be much easier and there's a real jsutification on how you managed to project that large of an influence across the world, and it explains the economy, doesn't it?


Let me correct you, I'm not messing up Russia, I'm supporting the USSR who for the moment is the legitimate government of Russia and all other 19 Soviet Republics. If anything, supporting the Tsarists dissrupted the whole peace of Europe. Come to think of it, Iran disrupted the balance of power by creating OPEC and holding Europe and specifically ransom because France as well as Germany support the USSR for very good reasons. But we can just overlook that apparently because just cutting France out of the economic loop isn't going to have repercussions, it's just going to be lolipos and daisies.

And I'm not conjuring money, the Marshall Plan funding aided the French economic recovery, and the loans taken out where to further fuel that growth and supplement the Marshall Plan funds. I have not taken out any further loans, and the economic plan was simple alternative to what could have been a further decline, and created after 72 coffee fuled hours, so there are bound to be flaws which will resurface (maybe it was flawed for a reason, in OOC terms to cause more RP fun, and in IC terms because living off coffee is not really conducive to a good work product after 72 hours).

I couldn't take America from the start, or the USSR because it was unavailable (did you ever consider that?), and simply put, France was the next best choice (the UK was not a first choice for me for a myrad of reasons). What confuses me is why you act like France is not a global power (not a superpower, but one step below it, a global power) that is a valuable asset to have. Yes France just got out of WW2, yes France has had its issues, yes it has it's pitfalls, but it also is a cultural, economic, and artistic hub not just for Europe, but for the whole world. Soft power is just as benefitial as hard power, and I was planing to exploit France's soft power until the whole RP became death to [insert nation's name]. Once that happened, yes France is going to have trouble competing, and it's quite frustrating at times when you plan a whole economic recovery out until you're sideswipped by the truck known as the Soviet Civil War, or Czechoslovakia, or any other global issue. Then things go to sh*t as you try to adapt, but things move too quickly do adapt, then you're on the loosing side and it all seems like hell. If the world could not catch fire for the next five years in this RP, it would be perfect. Then the real skills of diplomacy and RP-ing could come out instead of the constant states of war the world in this RP finds itself in where it's all about invasions instead of trying to prove which ideology is best, or how will each side outperform the other. The Cold War is fun with actual war, but it gets a little boring when you can't throw huge international events to show which faction is best and why, or when you can't use soft power because you need to invade some country.
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Postby Sarderia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:56 am

Did you even read the entire Military section I've outlined? The PoD may be 1949 but 8 million conscripts even when they're 6 months didn't come out of nowhere. Even South Korea a developed nation with conscripts didn't even come that large in relative to their population IRL currently. And France 1950 dont come anywhere close near SK now. Yeah you can claim De Gaulle and Pons economic plans worked at first but your military numbers and involvement in wars completely trashed out that argument in junk. There's no way your economy can maintain that number even when it's only conscripts. And for note the Germans did destroy the French industry and infrastructure, there's links at my post but considering you didn't even bother to read it I suppose it's worthless now. I get it this RP has been an absolute godmod zone and all but please don't be too blatant about it.

As for your water, rain and climate is included in renewable water supplies. And I suggest you look at the simplest fact on water use distribution anywhere in the world - agriculture clearly used more than 50% of water consumption and industry don't come anywhere near it (except for electric power plans). Furthermore Iran doesnt nationalize the oil rigs because unlike real life Iran in this RP only want higher taxes and more oil rig shares (in RL they want BP, Shell and everyone completely out) I've explained in posts way before. Why do you think the British player gave the green light to invade Iraq and Kuwait in the 1st place?
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Sarderia wrote:If France is able to fuck up Russia, going to war with Arabia, and send 3 million troops against Czechoslovakia I don't see the need of Marshall Plan rn. You can always conjure more money (or godmod the hell out of it) to fuel your industry.

I mean, seriously, if you wanna play superpower so badly why don't you just take America from the start? It'd be much easier and there's a real jsutification on how you managed to project that large of an influence across the world, and it explains the economy, doesn't it?


Let me correct you, I'm not messing up Russia, I'm supporting the USSR who for the moment is the legitimate government of Russia and all other 19 Soviet Republics. If anything, supporting the Tsarists dissrupted the whole peace of Europe. Come to think of it, Iran disrupted the balance of power by creating OPEC and holding Europe and specifically ransom because France as well as Germany support the USSR for very good reasons. But we can just overlook that apparently because just cutting France out of the economic loop isn't going to have repercussions, it's just going to be lolipos and daisies.

And I'm not conjuring money, the Marshall Plan funding aided the French economic recovery, and the loans taken out where to further fuel that growth and supplement the Marshall Plan funds. I have not taken out any further loans, and the economic plan was simple alternative to what could have been a further decline, and created after 72 coffee fuled hours, so there are bound to be flaws which will resurface (maybe it was flawed for a reason, in OOC terms to cause more RP fun, and in IC terms because living off coffee is not really conducive to a good work product after 72 hours).

I couldn't take America from the start, or the USSR because it was unavailable (did you ever consider that?), and simply put, France was the next best choice (the UK was not a first choice for me for a myrad of reasons). What confuses me is why you act like France is not a global power (not a superpower, but one step below it, a global power) that is a valuable asset to have. Yes France just got out of WW2, yes France has had its issues, yes it has it's pitfalls, but it also is a cultural, economic, and artistic hub not just for Europe, but for the whole world. Soft power is just as benefitial as hard power, and I was planing to exploit France's soft power until the whole RP became death to [insert nation's name]. Once that happened, yes France is going to have trouble competing, and it's quite frustrating at times when you plan a whole economic recovery out until you're sideswipped by the truck known as the Soviet Civil War, or Czechoslovakia, or any other global issue. Then things go to sh*t as you try to adapt, but things move too quickly do adapt, then you're on the loosing side and it all seems like hell. If the world could not catch fire for the next five years in this RP, it would be perfect. Then the real skills of diplomacy and RP-ing could come out instead of the constant states of war the world in this RP finds itself in where it's all about invasions instead of trying to prove which ideology is best, or how will each side outperform the other. The Cold War is fun with actual war, but it gets a little boring when you can't throw huge international events to show which faction is best and why, or when you can't use soft power because you need to invade some country.

Eventually everything and everyone is going to back into normal again. OPEC (India and Iran at least) is pushing to start a trade war with France because they started hating the tsarist at the 1st place and agitating Britain. Trade war isn't cutting trade it's lowering the cost of Indian and Iran goods so cheap that the French can't compete with them anymore or risk go bankrupt, it also involves shutting down exports to France and France only, while we still have good relations with other Europeans. I get it your nation under threat and you need to do something but please don't go to war with Britain and Russia could it be OK? besides the USA player haven't said anything about cutting aid etc. Yea I do agree there's too much war and we need peace but this isnt the solution.

I will answer with more detail your numbered arguments but I'm not on PC rn so it'll have to wait.
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Postby Sarderia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:08 am

You know what it's been quite frustrating for both of us, let's call a P2TM RP mentor to moderate
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Monsone
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:17 am

Sarderia wrote:You know what it's been quite frustrating for both of us, let's call a P2TM RP mentor to moderate

Sure. If you think it is necessary, though I mostly eradicated the problem IC-ly by letting most African Departments go, so only the high-value, industrialized, modern parts of France remain though the cost might be an economic crisis.
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Postby Malay Raya » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:29 am

I'm all for healthy discussions. But if it gets frustrating for both sides, a third party with high experience is definitely welcomed to give the verdict.
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Postby Biotopia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:09 am

Arvenia wrote:
Biotopia wrote:Can somebody please update me on our UN application.

Hyper capital has gone mute and we need to the UN membership to move our storyline forward. I'm literally twiddling my thumbs in the mean time.

PS: US, UK and Ireland i'll be asking you directly for some aid.

I can aid you.


Thank you. I'm happy to skip ahead to our IC meeting whenever you are ready.
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Romextly
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Postby Romextly » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:55 am

Ground Arms
2,500 Fabrique Nationale FN M2HB (HMG)
100,000 Ballester-Molina (SAP)
60,000 FN GP35 (SAP)
3,000 Ceska Zbrojovka ZK-383 (SMG)
80,000 M1 Carbine (SAR)
60,000 M3 (SMG)
1,500 M1 (Bazooka)
500 UZI (SMG)
5,000 M2 4.2-inch (Goon Gun) (MORTAR)

Armor:
2,000 Light Tank M3 Stuart (Tanks)
2,500 Half Track Car M3

Navy:
5 patrol boats

Air Force:
50 Flying Fortresses
30 Mustangs
50 Douglas C-47 Skytrain

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Mathuvan Union
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:53 am

ground arms
500,000 Ballester-Molina (SAP)
500 M1 Bazookas
1,000,000 Chamas reais CRF (Flamethrowers)
55,000 Canhão Krupp 75mm C/28 M 905‎ (2 F)
14,000 Canhão Krupp 75mm C/30 M 913‎ (7 F)
7,000 120 mm M2 RAIADO‎ (3 F)
18,000 6-inch gun M1917‎ (5 C, 16 F)
Tanks/armoured cars
14,000 AV-VBL‎ (12 F)
5,000 EE-3 Jararaca‎ (3 F)
2,100 EE-9 Cascavel‎ (1 C, 1 P, 60 F)
Navy
80 Minas Garaes.
5 Aircraft Carriers
270 Patrol Boats
12 destroyers
7 heavy cruisers
1 light cruiser
24 submarines
Air Force
300 F-86 Sabres
100 B-29 Superfortresses
100 Supermarine Spitfires
-more planes about to be announced-
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Postby Malay Raya » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:51 am

@Iran, when is that OPEC summit taking place? Is it in September or the July one?
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Postby Sarderia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:56 am

Malay Raya wrote:@Iran, when is that OPEC summit taking place? Is it in September or the July one?

idk just give me a date. I'll change the date in the treaty
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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:01 am

September-October
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Mathuvan Union
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:04 am

Free Ward Marchers wrote:September-October

Erm.... yay?
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Postby Bolslania » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:16 am

Mathuvan Union wrote:ground arms
500,000 Ballester-Molina (SAP)
500 M1 Bazookas
1,000,000 Chamas reais CRF (Flamethrowers)
55,000 Canhão Krupp 75mm C/28 M 905‎ (2 F)
14,000 Canhão Krupp 75mm C/30 M 913‎ (7 F)
7,000 120 mm M2 RAIADO‎ (3 F)
18,000 6-inch gun M1917‎ (5 C, 16 F)
Tanks/armoured cars
14,000 AV-VBL‎ (12 F)
5,000 EE-3 Jararaca‎ (3 F)
2,100 EE-9 Cascavel‎ (1 C, 1 P, 60 F)
Navy
80 Minas Garaes.
5 Aircraft Carriers
270 Patrol Boats
12 destroyers
7 heavy cruisers
1 light cruiser
24 submarines
Air Force
300 F-86 Sabres
100 B-29 Superfortresses
100 Supermarine Spitfires
-more planes about to be announced-


Voiding the Sabres

Those things are basically brand-spanking new, so Brazil wouldn't even get a sniff of them. You are mostly going to be using P-51s, P-47s, and other prop aircraft.

Also, why do you have 1 million flamethrowers?

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Postby Romextly » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:17 am

probably a typo, like when you had 1,000,000 pistols

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Bolslania
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Postby Bolslania » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:18 am

Romextly wrote:probably a typo, like when you had 1,000,000 pistols


maybe.

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Monsone
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:23 am

Bolslania wrote:
Romextly wrote:probably a typo, like when you had 1,000,000 pistols


maybe.


How about the 100 B-29s? I remember that early on the American player donated some to NATO members, but I meerely wrote that France has 45, and all other recipients should have a similar number. So then how would Brazil have 100 of some of the best bombers money can buy when they're basically restricted to close allies of the USA/IRA only?
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Postby Mathuvan Union » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:53 am

Monsone wrote:
Bolslania wrote:
maybe.


How about the 100 B-29s? I remember that early on the American player donated some to NATO members, but I meerely wrote that France has 45, and all other recipients should have a similar number. So then how would Brazil have 100 of some of the best bombers money can buy when they're basically restricted to close allies of the USA/IRA only?

We got one and reverse engineered it. I couldn’t come up with a name.
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Mathuvan Union wrote:ground arms
500,000 Ballester-Molina (SAP)
500 M1 Bazookas
1,000,000 Chamas reais CRF (Flamethrowers)
55,000 Canhão Krupp 75mm C/28 M 905‎ (2 F)
14,000 Canhão Krupp 75mm C/30 M 913‎ (7 F)
7,000 120 mm M2 RAIADO‎ (3 F)
18,000 6-inch gun M1917‎ (5 C, 16 F)
Tanks/armoured cars
14,000 AV-VBL‎ (12 F)
5,000 EE-3 Jararaca‎ (3 F)
2,100 EE-9 Cascavel‎ (1 C, 1 P, 60 F)
Navy
80 Minas Garaes.
5 Aircraft Carriers
270 Patrol Boats
12 destroyers
7 heavy cruisers
1 light cruiser
24 submarines
Air Force
300 F-86 Sabres
100 B-29 Superfortresses
100 Supermarine Spitfires
-more planes about to be announced-


Voiding the Sabres

Those things are basically brand-spanking new, so Brazil wouldn't even get a sniff of them. You are mostly going to be using P-51s, P-47s, and other prop aircraft.

Also, why do you have 1 million flamethrowers?

1) ok whatever
2) typo
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Update: apparently it’s bleating sheep.

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Monsone
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:13 am

So, point of clarification, can we RP the factions we support in the Soviet/Russian Civil War?
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Draos
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Postby Draos » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:36 am

@France I sent a diplomat to your country due to Scandinavian concerns of potential British expansion into your former African colonies.
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:41 am

Draos wrote:@France I sent a diplomat to your country due to Scandinavian concerns of potential British expansion into your former African colonies.

Britain wouldn't dare invade them.
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Postby Draos » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:48 am

I know but they're terrified of the possibility of an even more powerful Britain
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Postby Wasi State » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:05 pm

Country Name: Union of South Africa
Fictional or Real: Real
Head of State: Dr. D. F. Malan
Government Type: Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy, King George VI as recognized monarch.
Capital: Cape Town, Pretoria, Bloemfontein, and Pietermaritzburg. Pretoria being the primary administrative capital.
GDP: 96.4 Bil.
Population: 13.68 Mil.
Location: Historical South Africa, and South West African Mandate.
History: Has been kept historical up until 1949 where divergence has been reached, resulting in an uptick in military expenditure over regional activity and a recent scramble for investors to keep the economy afloat in what has been deemed uncertain times. Apartheid has been implemented as planned by the National Party following the 1948 election, but given the current situation, the ANC has been pushing for heavy reform and integration policies to be adopted ultimately, with more extreme elements being more commonplace and using more aggressive strategy versus the original timeline's counterpart.
Faction: NATO aligned, as it currently remains in the UK's Sphere.
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Monsone
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Postby Monsone » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:16 pm

Draos wrote:I know but they're terrified of the possibility of an even more powerful Britain

They're still in a military aliance with France.
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Sarderia
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Postby Sarderia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:20 pm

Okay, I kinda want to maintain neutral relations to France atm, but I stated a "dumping" economic practice against France in my recent post. Actually it's done to support Germany, which wanted to be the no 1 industrial producer in Europe - Germany dumped goods in Europe while Iran sent extremely cheap products everywhere in the world to outcompete the French products. But I kinda don't want a French outburst regarding that, so should I remove it?
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Postby Romextly » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:21 pm

Maybe?

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