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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Mon May 18, 2020 5:59 pm

yo im doing a side project thing mind if you guys go here and rate who did the best in the debate (you don't have to it don't really relate but it would be appreciated)

ps: the responses to the questions were made by an AI called "talk to transformer" so the responses might not make perfect sense
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 6:12 pm

Hey OP, assuming that I begin desiring and designing new tank right now, how long would it take for me to get this thing?
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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Mon May 18, 2020 6:14 pm

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Hey OP, assuming that I begin desiring and designing new tank right now, how long would it take for me to get this thing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_(tank)

you can start construction in 1950 and it will take 1 year to make
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 6:15 pm

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The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Hey OP, assuming that I begin desiring and designing new tank right now, how long would it take for me to get this thing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_(tank)

you can start construction in 1950 and it will take 1 year to make

You mean start designing and have it ready for production in one year, right?

This is a medium tank after all, not the Ratte.
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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Mon May 18, 2020 6:17 pm

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Free Ward Marchers wrote:you can start construction in 1950 and it will take 1 year to make

You mean start designing and have it ready for production in one year, right?

This is a medium tank after all, not the Ratte.

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Postby Tranzoria » Mon May 18, 2020 6:18 pm

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Canada is part of the Commonwealth still, so don't worry. Her Majesty is still ruler of around 30 % of North America by one nation.

Why would Canada, a Communist country, still remain in the Commonwealth and recognise both an aristocrat and a capitalist as their Head of State?

I mean, you don't exactly see Communist China remaining loyal to the Emperor, do you?


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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon May 18, 2020 6:20 pm

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The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Why would Canada, a Communist country, still remain in the Commonwealth and recognise both an aristocrat and a capitalist as their Head of State?

I mean, you don't exactly see Communist China remaining loyal to the Emperor, do you?


I'm Socialist, not Communist. That means I have some Communist-like traits, but also more or the same amount of Democracy-like traits. Like Bernie Sanders, the United States Presidental Canadite that dropped out.

Do you believe that communism and democracy are somehow contradictory concepts? If so, then I'm afraid you're wrong. The opposite is actually true: capitalism and democracy violently clash with each other, not communism and democracy.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon May 18, 2020 6:23 pm

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The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Why would Canada, a Communist country, still remain in the Commonwealth and recognise both an aristocrat and a capitalist as their Head of State?

I mean, you don't exactly see Communist China remaining loyal to the Emperor, do you?


I'm Socialist, not Communist. That means I have some Communist-like traits, but also more or the same amount of Democracy-like traits. Like Bernie Sanders, the United States Presidental Canadite that dropped out.

And what do you mean by "democracy-like" traits? Are you referring to capitalism, meaning that you have a social democratic (not socialist) state or that somehow capitalism = democracies? If you think the former, then I understand what you mean, but if you mean the latter, history proves you wrong...Very, tragically wrong. Augusto Pinochet's Chile, Batista's Cuba, the Guatemala Military Junta, Estado Novo in Brazil and Nazi Germany itself just show that liberal capitalists would prefer authoritarian capitalism over democratic socialism. The blood shed by these nations is one of the greatest tragedies of human history, not to mention that of the Belgian Congo...
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 6:25 pm

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The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Why would Canada, a Communist country, still remain in the Commonwealth and recognise both an aristocrat and a capitalist as their Head of State?

I mean, you don't exactly see Communist China remaining loyal to the Emperor, do you?


I'm Socialist, not Communist. That means I have some Communist-like traits, but also more or the same amount of Democracy-like traits. Like Bernie Sanders, the United States Presidental Canadite that dropped out.


Well then you better change this chap

Tranzoria wrote:Country Name: Socialist Canadian Republic
In the Late 1940's, Jack MacDonald Jr., son of original leader of the Canadian Communist Party Jack MacDonald, turned on the Canadian Communist Party and had them arrested, then started his own communist party with him in control. By improving the economies of every cities he went, his party rose to power, first in control of the workers of Canada, and then using them to protest against the government, giving him more power until he won the elections of office and rose to be it's Prime Minister, making Canada Communist.

After allying with the new Confederacy States of America, the countries traded so much the economy almost broke. This provided resources for Canada by the dozen, giving them a thirst for more land and giving them the determination to wage war against Denmark for Iceland, who the Canadians won over after 8 weeks with the Treaty of Zealand, which gave the Canadians control over Iceland and Denmark's Islands, excluding the Danish Capital .
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon May 18, 2020 6:26 pm

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Tranzoria wrote:
I'm Socialist, not Communist. That means I have some Communist-like traits, but also more or the same amount of Democracy-like traits. Like Bernie Sanders, the United States Presidental Canadite that dropped out.


Well then you better change this chap

Tranzoria wrote:Country Name: Socialist Canadian Republic
In the Late 1940's, Jack MacDonald Jr., son of original leader of the Canadian Communist Party Jack MacDonald, turned on the Canadian Communist Party and had them arrested, then started his own communist party with him in control. By improving the economies of every cities he went, his party rose to power, first in control of the workers of Canada, and then using them to protest against the government, giving him more power until he won the elections of office and rose to be it's Prime Minister, making Canada Communist.

After allying with the new Confederacy States of America, the countries traded so much the economy almost broke. This provided resources for Canada by the dozen, giving them a thirst for more land and giving them the determination to wage war against Denmark for Iceland, who the Canadians won over after 8 weeks with the Treaty of Zealand, which gave the Canadians control over Iceland and Denmark's Islands, excluding the Danish Capital .
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What the FUCK is he even trying to say, honestly? If he's a democratic communist state (a la Rojava or Nepal) then I see what he means, but that's probably not at all what he means.
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 6:26 pm

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The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Why would Canada, a Communist country, still remain in the Commonwealth and recognise both an aristocrat and a capitalist as their Head of State?

I mean, you don't exactly see Communist China remaining loyal to the Emperor, do you?


I'm Socialist, not Communist. That means I have some Communist-like traits, but also more or the same amount of Democracy-like traits. Like Bernie Sanders, the United States Presidental Canadite that dropped out.

You mean Democratic Socialism?
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon May 18, 2020 6:26 pm

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Tranzoria wrote:
I'm Socialist, not Communist. That means I have some Communist-like traits, but also more or the same amount of Democracy-like traits. Like Bernie Sanders, the United States Presidental Canadite that dropped out.

You mean Democratic Socialism?

Sanders isn't a socialist. He's a social democrat. He either means Nordic social democracy or admits that he hasn't got a fucking clue what he's saying.
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 6:27 pm

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Well then you better change this chap


What the FUCK is he even trying to say, honestly? If he's a democratic communist state (a la Rojava or Nepal) then I see what he means, but that's probably not at all what he means.

Calm down mate, we're just having a friendly discussion concerning the clarification of ideology, no need to fling around obscenities.
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 6:28 pm

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The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:You mean Democratic Socialism?

Sanders isn't a socialist. He's a social democrat. He either means Nordic social democracy or admits that he hasn't got a fucking clue what he's saying.

I think he has a clear vision but can't express in quite the right way
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon May 18, 2020 6:29 pm

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:What the FUCK is he even trying to say, honestly? If he's a democratic communist state (a la Rojava or Nepal) then I see what he means, but that's probably not at all what he means.

Calm down mate, we're just having a friendly discussion concerning the clarification of ideology, no need to fling around obscenities.

I'm sorry, but it's almost incomprehensible. Usually when people put democracy and communism against each other like that, it ends up in a bloodbath of confusion.

Generally those types of people often peddle things like "Communism killed 100 million people!", "Communism is when government" or worst of all "All communists are Stalinists"
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon May 18, 2020 6:30 pm

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Sanders isn't a socialist. He's a social democrat. He either means Nordic social democracy or admits that he hasn't got a fucking clue what he's saying.

I think he has a clear vision but can't express in quite the right way

I think by democracy he means liberalism and he's referring to social democracy, similar to the German or Nordic systems of economics, but I'm really scared of what he's implying about communism.
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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Mon May 18, 2020 6:32 pm

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The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Calm down mate, we're just having a friendly discussion concerning the clarification of ideology, no need to fling around obscenities.

I'm sorry, but it's almost incomprehensible. Usually when people put democracy and communism against each other like that, it ends up in a bloodbath of confusion.

Generally those types of people often peddle things like "Communism killed 100 million people!", "Communism is when government" or worst of all "All communists are Stalinists"


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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 6:34 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Calm down mate, we're just having a friendly discussion concerning the clarification of ideology, no need to fling around obscenities.

I'm sorry, but it's almost incomprehensible. Usually when people put democracy and communism against each other like that, it ends up in a bloodbath of confusion.

Generally those types of people often peddle things like "Communism killed 100 million people!", "Communism is when government" or worst of all "All communists are Stalinists"

I agree, Communism/Socialism is like the Democratic ideology or Christianity, a lot of different sub ideologies under a wider umbrella.
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 6:35 pm

Free Ward Marchers wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:I'm sorry, but it's almost incomprehensible. Usually when people put democracy and communism against each other like that, it ends up in a bloodbath of confusion.

Generally those types of people often peddle things like "Communism killed 100 million people!", "Communism is when government" or worst of all "All communists are Stalinists"


the best kind of Communism is Trotskyism change my mind

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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon May 18, 2020 6:38 pm

Free Ward Marchers wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:I'm sorry, but it's almost incomprehensible. Usually when people put democracy and communism against each other like that, it ends up in a bloodbath of confusion.

Generally those types of people often peddle things like "Communism killed 100 million people!", "Communism is when government" or worst of all "All communists are Stalinists"


the best kind of Communism is Trotskyism change my mind

Anarcho-syndicalism! BAM, GET DUNKED ON, TANKIE!

Also, my libertarian socialism explains why I was in such a state over democracy and communism being placed against each other. I am an ardent support of both, and if such a statement were true, I would effectively be an ideological practitioner of dishonesty practicing doublethink and we can't have that...
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 6:39 pm

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The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Why would Canada, a Communist country, still remain in the Commonwealth and recognise both an aristocrat and a capitalist as their Head of State?

I mean, you don't exactly see Communist China remaining loyal to the Emperor, do you?


I'm Socialist, not Communist. That means I have some Communist-like traits, but also more or the same amount of Democracy-like traits. Like Bernie Sanders, the United States Presidental Canadite that dropped out.

If you're a Democratic Socialist nation (basically, a democracy with socialist economic policies like Public Healthcare and much more control over the economy) then why are you supporting Stalinist nations like Russia and North Korea?
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon May 18, 2020 6:40 pm

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
Tranzoria wrote:
I'm Socialist, not Communist. That means I have some Communist-like traits, but also more or the same amount of Democracy-like traits. Like Bernie Sanders, the United States Presidental Canadite that dropped out.

If you're a Democratic Socialist nation (basically, a democracy with socialist economic policies like Public Healthcare and much more control over the economy) then why are you supporting Stalinist nations like Russia and North Korea?

Hold on, that's not what socialism means. Socialism means the social/worker control of the means of production. It doesn't mean free healthcare.
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 6:41 pm

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Free Ward Marchers wrote:
the best kind of Communism is Trotskyism change my mind

Anarcho-syndicalism! BAM, GET DUNKED ON, TANKIE!

Also, my libertarian socialism explains why I was in such a state over democracy and communism being placed against each other. I am an ardent support of both, and if such a statement were true, I would effectively be an ideological practitioner of dishonesty practicing doublethink and we can't have that...

I took an entire summer course on Socialism at university some time ago. Even though I'm not exactly sold on the idea of Anarchism, I am happy that you've found an ideology to call your own.

That said, why not have some Mosleyite Fascism?
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 6:42 pm

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The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:If you're a Democratic Socialist nation (basically, a democracy with socialist economic policies like Public Healthcare and much more control over the economy) then why are you supporting Stalinist nations like Russia and North Korea?

Hold on, that's not what socialism means. Socialism means the social/worker control of the means of production. It doesn't mean free healthcare.

Well considering he said he's taking after Bernie Sanders, I just have to mention free healthcare :p.

Besides, socialism also generally outlines a wider welfare government-run program, hence Free Healthcare.

Aaaaaand, I just remembered I'm talking to an Anarcho-Socialist.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon May 18, 2020 6:43 pm

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The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Anarcho-syndicalism! BAM, GET DUNKED ON, TANKIE!

Also, my libertarian socialism explains why I was in such a state over democracy and communism being placed against each other. I am an ardent support of both, and if such a statement were true, I would effectively be an ideological practitioner of dishonesty practicing doublethink and we can't have that...

I took an entire summer course on Socialism at university some time ago. Even though I'm not exactly sold on the idea of Anarchism, I am happy that you've found an ideology to call your own.

That said, why not have some Mosleyite Fascism?

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The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Hold on, that's not what socialism means. Socialism means the social/worker control of the means of production. It doesn't mean free healthcare.

Well considering he said he's taking after Bernie Sanders, I just have to mention free healthcare :p.


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