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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun May 17, 2020 10:01 am

Free Ward Marchers wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Didn't that happen to South Korea during the early Korean War before the development of the Patton tank?

You can keep fighting as guerilla force and such, or just not surrender at all. Many countries have been defeated before without surrender.


im making defeat the same as surrender for the the sake of game play if you don't like a treaty you can keep fighting if you want, but your still gonna lose either way

But this is an RP, not HOI4. We don't need mechanics. All we need is the natural narrative of the nations doing as they wish.
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Sun May 17, 2020 10:02 am

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The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:I feel like you don't need to add this to the rules, they just seem too unnatural and it feels like you're trying to hard to turn this into HOI IV or something.

Whether a nation surrenders early or late, or one nation chooses to make peace with another without the consultation of their allies or whatever should be decided by the nations themselves naturally if they desire to do so or not I feel.

And there are a few holes too, like rule 2 is redundant because when a nation declares unconditional surrender of course it surrenders, it's in the name after all. If you wanted to have something like rule 2 around, you should also add "the country declares and negotiates a conditional surrender" as well.

I'm not being aggressive or saying you're wrong or anything like that, I'm just voicing my thoughts.


goddamn two rules shot down in less than an hour

I'm just saying, one of those rules is redundant and the other two seem too forceful or are just common sense. Whether one nation chooses to surrender or not when 90% of its territory is taken is entirely up to them. I mean heck, you ever hear of resistances? Or Governments in Exile? Poland never officially surrendered yet 100% of its territory was occupied.
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Sun May 17, 2020 10:05 am

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Free Ward Marchers wrote:
im making defeat the same as surrender for the the sake of game play if you don't like a treaty you can keep fighting if you want, but your still gonna lose either way

But this is an RP, not HOI4. We don't need mechanics. All we need is the natural narrative of the nations doing as they wish.

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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Sun May 17, 2020 10:06 am

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
Free Ward Marchers wrote:
goddamn two rules shot down in less than an hour

I'm just saying, one of those rules is redundant and the other two seem too forceful or are just common sense. Whether one nation chooses to surrender or not when 90% of its territory is taken is entirely up to them. I mean heck, you ever hear of resistances? Or Governments in Exile? Poland never officially surrendered yet 100% of its territory was occupied.


you make a compelling argument, ok sure peace treaties and surrenders will be completely up to the nations in question (tbh i have watching too much HOI4)
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Postby Monsone » Sun May 17, 2020 10:11 am

Okay, so I'll adress the main question now.

1. It's a cease-fire with the Rashid Calpihate to allow the Hajj to go on peacefully.

2. Unless peace talks begin, the cease-fire will end after the Hajj and fighting will begin again.
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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Sun May 17, 2020 10:15 am

Monsone wrote:Okay, so I'll adress the main question now.

1. It's a cease-fire with the Rashid Calpihate to allow the Hajj to go on peacefully.

2. Unless peace talks begin, the cease-fire will end after the Hajj and fighting will begin again.


its June 1st-July 1st rp time rn. The hajj doesn't start til July 28th
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Sun May 17, 2020 10:18 am

Free Ward Marchers wrote:
The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:I'm just saying, one of those rules is redundant and the other two seem too forceful or are just common sense. Whether one nation chooses to surrender or not when 90% of its territory is taken is entirely up to them. I mean heck, you ever hear of resistances? Or Governments in Exile? Poland never officially surrendered yet 100% of its territory was occupied.


you make a compelling argument, ok sure peace treaties and surrenders will be completely up to the nations in question (tbh i have watching too much HOI4)

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Postby Kargintina the Third » Sun May 17, 2020 10:19 am

Free Ward Marchers wrote:
Monsone wrote:Okay, so I'll adress the main question now.

1. It's a cease-fire with the Rashid Calpihate to allow the Hajj to go on peacefully.

2. Unless peace talks begin, the cease-fire will end after the Hajj and fighting will begin again.


its June 1st-July 1st rp time rn. The hajj doesn't start til July 28th

Why would we wait that long to sign a treaty
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Postby Monsone » Sun May 17, 2020 10:21 am

Free Ward Marchers wrote:
Monsone wrote:Okay, so I'll adress the main question now.

1. It's a cease-fire with the Rashid Calpihate to allow the Hajj to go on peacefully.

2. Unless peace talks begin, the cease-fire will end after the Hajj and fighting will begin again.


its June 1st-July 1st rp time rn. The hajj doesn't start til July 28th


I know. But the details need to be finalized, and time needs to be given for the cease-fire to go into effect.
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Sun May 17, 2020 10:24 am

I think July 1st to September 1st is acceptable
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Postby Diarcesia » Sun May 17, 2020 10:51 am

Free Ward Marchers wrote:
The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:I'm just saying, one of those rules is redundant and the other two seem too forceful or are just common sense. Whether one nation chooses to surrender or not when 90% of its territory is taken is entirely up to them. I mean heck, you ever hear of resistances? Or Governments in Exile? Poland never officially surrendered yet 100% of its territory was occupied.


you make a compelling argument, ok sure peace treaties and surrenders will be completely up to the nations in question (tbh i have watching too much HOI4)

It's not that it's a bad game. :p

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Postby The New Greek Republic » Sun May 17, 2020 12:02 pm

damn i leave for a couple days and have 10 pages of OOC and like 3 pages of IC

i miss anything?
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Sun May 17, 2020 12:05 pm

The New Greek Republic wrote:damn i leave for a couple days and have 10 pages of OOC and like 3 pages of IC

i miss anything?

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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Sun May 17, 2020 12:09 pm

The New Greek Republic wrote:damn i leave for a couple days and have 10 pages of OOC and like 3 pages of IC

i miss anything?


The Rashid Caliphate is at war with France and 6 other nations
The Rashid Caliphate is doing a month long ceasefire to protect those passing in hajj (walking to Mecca)
There is a Nationalist Anti-Imperial Monarchist Australia that is allying to three other Nationalist Anti-Imperial Monarchist nations

and that's about it
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Proposal: The Refuge in Uganda

Postby Zwibelarusia » Sun May 17, 2020 1:28 pm

Country Name: The Refuge in Uganda
Fictional or Real: Fictional
Head of State: Chaim Weizmann
Government Type: Parliamentary Democracy
Capital:Galuta
GDP: 3.6 M USD
Population: 300,000
Location: Roughly? Uganda
History: Basically, with Israel no longer an option after the formation of North Arabia, refugees from Europe emigrated en masse to Uganda, in accord with the "Uganda Plan". We're slowly growing.
Faction: None yet


I hope this isn't taken yet?
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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Sun May 17, 2020 1:35 pm

Zwibelarusia wrote:Country Name: The Refuge in Uganda
Fictional or Real: Fictional
Head of State: Chaim Weizmann
Government Type: Parliamentary Democracy
Capital:Galuta
GDP: 3.6 M USD
Population: 300,000
Location: Roughly? Uganda
History: Basically, with Israel no longer an option after the formation of North Arabia, refugees from Europe emigrated en masse to Uganda, in accord with the "Uganda Plan". We're slowly growing.
Faction: None yet


I hope this isn't taken yet?


accepted
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Postby Tranzoria » Sun May 17, 2020 1:36 pm

Free Ward Marchers wrote:
Zwibelarusia wrote:Country Name: The Refuge in Uganda
Fictional or Real: Fictional
Head of State: Chaim Weizmann
Government Type: Parliamentary Democracy
Capital:Galuta
GDP: 3.6 M USD
Population: 300,000
Location: Roughly? Uganda
History: Basically, with Israel no longer an option after the formation of North Arabia, refugees from Europe emigrated en masse to Uganda, in accord with the "Uganda Plan". We're slowly growing.
Faction: None yet


I hope this isn't taken yet?


accepted


Uganda is actually owned by the Brits though.
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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Sun May 17, 2020 1:43 pm

Tranzoria wrote:
Free Ward Marchers wrote:
accepted


Uganda is actually owned by the Brits though.


oh shit i forgot
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Postby Zwibelarusia » Sun May 17, 2020 1:45 pm

Yeah, just noticed that. Can I work out a deal with the Brits retroactively? :)

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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Sun May 17, 2020 1:46 pm

Zwibelarusia wrote:Yeah, just noticed that. Can I work out a deal with the Brits retroactively? :)

yes you can
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Britian

Postby Zwibelarusia » Sun May 17, 2020 1:46 pm

Who are the Brits?

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Postby Tranzoria » Sun May 17, 2020 1:50 pm

Zwibelarusia wrote:Who are the Brits?


American Pere Housh is the British Player, and since Uganda is the end of their African Colonies, they might give it to you.
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Postby Monsone » Sun May 17, 2020 1:56 pm

So the USSR now uses calling something French as a inuslt. Does that mean no more Mayonnaise then (since it was associated with being French in the USSR)?
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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Sun May 17, 2020 2:05 pm

if Madagascar, Africa, and Hongma reject or ignore my royal banquet invitaton im going to bash my head against a fucking wall
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun May 17, 2020 2:06 pm

Free Ward Marchers wrote:if Madagascar, Africa, and Hongma reject or ignore my royal banquet invitaton im going to bash my head against a fucking wall

LOTF is keeping me very busy.
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