Cold War RP: Reboot, (OPEN)

[Free Ward Marchers]

Wait can someone solve this dilemma for me; if Polaria is where IRL Spain is, and Spain... does it exist? How were the Mexicans and Filipinos and Californians colonized by the Spanish if Spain doesn't exist? Or what happened to Spain?

Also what are the status of players for Hellenistic Kingdom, Sultanate of Vlasisitan, and North Arabia?

Also shoutout to OP & Malay Raya for keeping the map so damn good.

Ok for the Polaria question I'm not sure, it's a grey area I can't really answer

As for the players I personally haven't seen them in a fat minute, but I was out of the loop for a bit so they could have done shit I'm not sure

And thank you very much tho Malay Raya did most of the work

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

@DR africa

Due to the IRL time differences it won't be practical to RP a real time conversation. I propose we nut out some agreements we can publish as IC documents.

First one is a memorandum between our two countries, agreeing to some basic principles:

- Agree to the general principle of supporting an African future that is respectful of human rights, peaceful, prosperous, democratic and independent from the economic, political and cultural control of non-Africans
- Agree to discuss African issues together in order to present a united front on the international stage
- Mutually support claims for compensation from colonised states
- Create a pan African organisation to pursue this mission

On that last point: found the Pan-African Organisation
- Exists to promote and co-ordinate pan-African solidarity and decolonisation, and the development of the continent's economic, scientific, political and cultural progress
- Bound to pursue these goals through the principle human rights, democracy, peace, prosperity, equality, and justice
- Membership will comprise of representatives from any independent majority-democratic African state
- Associate membership extended to democratic independence movements and governments in exile

Alright. Would you like to join the new organisation we're making?

[Free Ward Marchers]

Based on the Congressional seats in Australia I posted in IC what do you direction do you guys think Australia will take

[Biotopia]

@DR africa

Due to the IRL time differences it won't be practical to RP a real time conversation. I propose we nut out some agreements we can publish as IC documents.

First one is a memorandum between our two countries, agreeing to some basic principles:

- Agree to the general principle of supporting an African future that is respectful of human rights, peaceful, prosperous, democratic and independent from the economic, political and cultural control of non-Africans
- Agree to discuss African issues together in order to present a united front on the international stage
- Mutually support claims for compensation from colonised states
- Create a pan African organisation to pursue this mission

On that last point: found the Pan-African Organisation
- Exists to promote and co-ordinate pan-African solidarity and decolonisation, and the development of the continent's economic, scientific, political and cultural progress
- Bound to pursue these goals through the principle human rights, democracy, peace, prosperity, equality, and justice
- Membership will comprise of representatives from any independent majority-democratic African state
- Associate membership extended to democratic independence movements and governments in exile

Alright. Would you like to join the new organisation we're making?

Aren't we the only two free African states. Or did you mean people taking on playing the role of revolutionaries within their colonies?

[Malay Raya]

Wait can someone solve this dilemma for me; if Polaria is where IRL Spain is, and Spain... does it exist? How were the Mexicans and Filipinos and Californians colonized by the Spanish if Spain doesn't exist? Or what happened to Spain?

Also what are the status of players for Hellenistic Kingdom, Sultanate of Vlasisitan, and North Arabia?

Also shoutout to OP & Malay Raya for keeping the map so damn good.

I've been online quite frequently to check forum posts but don't really see them online. Canada says that he does see North Arabia online from time to time (or is it another guy?). As for the map, no problem.

Based on the Congressional seats in Australia I posted in IC what do you direction do you guys think Australia will take

I dunno, using a somewhat diplomatic approach and be as neutral as possible with a relatively friendly relation with USA compared to other nations?

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Alright. Would you like to join the new organisation we're making?

Aren't we the only two free African states. Or did you mean people taking on playing the role of revolutionaries within their colonies?

We're working with Australia and another country as well.

[Tranzoria]

Wait can someone solve this dilemma for me; if Polaria is where IRL Spain is, and Spain... does it exist? How were the Mexicans and Filipinos and Californians colonized by the Spanish if Spain doesn't exist? Or what happened to Spain?

Also what are the status of players for Hellenistic Kingdom, Sultanate of Vlasisitan, and North Arabia?

Also shoutout to OP & Malay Raya for keeping the map so damn good.

Ok for the Polaria question I'm not sure, it's a grey area I can't really answer

As for the players I personally haven't seen them in a fat minute, but I was out of the loop for a bit so they could have done shit I'm not sure

And thank you very much tho Malay Raya did most of the work

Well, I don't know the status of the Hellenistics and Vlasisitnis, but the North Arabian Player keeps looking at the forum online, but he doesn't post anything. I think he's just trying to get caught up.

[Biotopia]

Aren't we the only two free African states. Or did you mean people taking on playing the role of revolutionaries within their colonies?

We're working with Australia and another country as well.

Africans only, comrade.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

We're working with Australia and another country as well.

Africans only, comrade.

I know, it's a different organisation, in order to defend ourselves from Western imperialism.

[Free Ward Marchers]

btw if rashid accepts the canadian ceasefire it will be counted as a surrender, and rashids miitary will go down to 1% of the population (this will also count as a surrender to france and other people attacking however they might attach shit to "the peace deal")

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

btw if rashid accepts the canadian ceasefire it will be counted as a surrender, and rashids miitary will go down to 1% of the population (this will also count as a surrender to france and other people attacking however they might attach shit to "the peace deal")

Shouldn't they negotiate, though, and decide on their own terms? I mean, if an army is only defeated a small portion, they could just cede a region but keep their current military size.

Just let it be.

[Free Ward Marchers]

btw if rashid accepts the canadian ceasefire it will be counted as a surrender, and rashids miitary will go down to 1% of the population (this will also count as a surrender to france and other people attacking however they might attach shit to "the peace deal")

Shouldn't they negotiate, though, and decide on their own terms? I mean, if an army is only defeated a small portion, they could just cede a region but keep their current military size.

Just let it be.

exhibit A. the war would have put a damper on the army size for sure
exhibit B. 99.99% of peace deals limit army size if not completly disbands the army of the offender so im actually being very generous
exhibit C. this is in the rules it's not like it's new information

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Shouldn't they negotiate, though, and decide on their own terms? I mean, if an army is only defeated a small portion, they could just cede a region but keep their current military size.

Just let it be.

exhibit A. the war would have put a damper on the army size for sure
exhibit B. 99.99% of peace deals limit army size if not completly disbands the army of the offender so im actually being very generous
exhibit C. this is in the rules it's not like it's new information

Why is it in the rules? Let France put that in if they want to.

[Free Ward Marchers]

exhibit A. the war would have put a damper on the army size for sure
exhibit B. 99.99% of peace deals limit army size if not completly disbands the army of the offender so im actually being very generous
exhibit C. this is in the rules it's not like it's new information

Why is it in the rules? Let France put that in if they want to.

fine, ill change the rule, and you know what fuck it, Canada's peace agreement has no bering on france or any other nation as they wern't a part of the peace treaty making

[Free Ward Marchers]

i added two more rules:

when a group wins a war all nations of the winning side must be part of the peace treaty process

Countries are considered "surrendered" when one of these three things are true:
1. 60% of the land is under occupation and you have the capital
2. the country declares its unconditional surrender
3. 90% of the land is under occupation and you don't have the capital

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

i added two more rules:

when a group wins a war all nations of the winning side must be part of the peace treaty process

Countries are considered "surrendered" when one of these three things are true:
1. 60% of the land is under occupation and you have the capital
2. the country declares its unconditional surrender
3. 90% of the land is under occupation and you don't have the capital

Why do you need these rules?

The first rule is, well, enforced by the nations themselves. Being a nation on the winning side and being slighted is going to make you pissed off, so there's not much reason to exclude them.

And the second one should be only be number 2. Sure, the nations could TRY to enforce their treaty on you, but recognition is up to you.

[Free Ward Marchers]

i added two more rules:

when a group wins a war all nations of the winning side must be part of the peace treaty process

Countries are considered "surrendered" when one of these three things are true:
1. 60% of the land is under occupation and you have the capital
2. the country declares its unconditional surrender
3. 90% of the land is under occupation and you don't have the capital

Why do you need these rules?

The first rule is, well, enforced by the nations themselves. Being a nation on the winning side and being slighted is going to make you pissed off, so there's not much reason to exclude them.

And the second one should be only be number 2. Sure, the nations could TRY to enforce their treaty on you, but recognition is up to you.

yeah sure, but if 60% of your land and plus your capital is taken then you have no room to negotiate my dude

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Why do you need these rules?

The first rule is, well, enforced by the nations themselves. Being a nation on the winning side and being slighted is going to make you pissed off, so there's not much reason to exclude them.

And the second one should be only be number 2. Sure, the nations could TRY to enforce their treaty on you, but recognition is up to you.

yeah sure, but if 60% of your land and plus your capital is taken then you have no room to negotiate my dude

Didn't that happen to South Korea during the early Korean War before the development of the Patton tank?

You can keep fighting as guerilla force and such, or just not surrender at all. Many countries have been defeated before without surrender.

[Tranzoria]

Why is it in the rules? Let France put that in if they want to.

fine, ill change the rule, and you know what fuck it, Canada's peace agreement has no bering on france or any other nation as they wern't a part of the peace treaty making

What do you mean by that? That I won't be part of the Treaty, or other nations won't. I'm okay either ways, as long North Arabia gets land and I make peace.

[Kargintina the Third]

How much land exactly is this

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

i added two more rules:

when a group wins a war all nations of the winning side must be part of the peace treaty process

Countries are considered "surrendered" when one of these three things are true:
1. 60% of the land is under occupation and you have the capital
2. the country declares its unconditional surrender
3. 90% of the land is under occupation and you don't have the capital

I feel like you don't need to add this to the rules, they just seem too unnatural and it feels like you're trying to hard to turn this into HOI IV or something.

Whether a nation surrenders early or late, or one nation chooses to make peace with another without the consultation of their allies or whatever should be decided by the nations themselves naturally if they desire to do so or not I feel.

And there are a few holes too, like rule 2 is redundant because when a nation declares unconditional surrender of course it surrenders, it's in the name after all. If you wanted to have something like rule 2 around, you should also add "the country declares and negotiates a conditional surrender" as well.

I'm not being aggressive or saying you're wrong or anything like that, I'm just voicing my thoughts.

[Free Ward Marchers]

yeah sure, but if 60% of your land and plus your capital is taken then you have no room to negotiate my dude

Didn't that happen to South Korea during the early Korean War before the development of the Patton tank?

You can keep fighting as guerilla force and such, or just not surrender at all. Many countries have been defeated before without surrender.

im making defeat the same as surrender for the the sake of game play if you don't like a treaty you can keep fighting if you want, but your still gonna lose either way

[Tranzoria]

How much land exactly is this

If you look on Google Maps, go to Tabuk, Saudi Arabia. The highways that run through it upward are the borders. The city is divided. It's maybe about 9% of your land.

[Tranzoria]

Didn't that happen to South Korea during the early Korean War before the development of the Patton tank?

You can keep fighting as guerilla force and such, or just not surrender at all. Many countries have been defeated before without surrender.

im making defeat the same as surrender for the the sake of game play if you don't like a treaty you can keep fighting if you want, but your still gonna lose either way

Thanks.

[Free Ward Marchers]

i added two more rules:

when a group wins a war all nations of the winning side must be part of the peace treaty process

Countries are considered "surrendered" when one of these three things are true:
1. 60% of the land is under occupation and you have the capital
2. the country declares its unconditional surrender
3. 90% of the land is under occupation and you don't have the capital

I feel like you don't need to add this to the rules, they just seem too unnatural and it feels like you're trying to hard to turn this into HOI IV or something.

Whether a nation surrenders early or late, or one nation chooses to make peace with another without the consultation of their allies or whatever should be decided by the nations themselves naturally if they desire to do so or not I feel.

And there are a few holes too, like rule 2 is redundant because when a nation declares unconditional surrender of course it surrenders, it's in the name after all. If you wanted to have something like rule 2 around, you should also add "the country declares and negotiates a conditional surrender" as well.

I'm not being aggressive or saying you're wrong or anything like that, I'm just voicing my thoughts.

goddamn two rules shot down in less than an hour