Cold War RP: Reboot, (OPEN)

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

am I a bad person for when someone who hasn't spoken for a while talks just want to reply "WHERE DID YOU COME FROM?"

don't worry, i'm the OP and even i say that sometimes

OP, I mentioned this before in this thread, but it got buried. I believe, for the sake of this RP, there should be a rule added setting a timer for how long a nation has to respond to military action. This will help prevent fights over a nation invading a semi-active to inactive nation (as had happened with Brazil invading Argentina).

I haven't talked for awhile despite a lot of things I want to post about. I have big plans for this RP, but not a whole lot of motivation in fleshing them out. I do still have enough care for this RP to suggest some ways to improve the RP, though.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Hey Bolslania while we should wait for England to comment on your attack, I am not quite understanding the context.

I feel like you have been in contradiction lately.

1. You said your subs aren't in sonar range. But to fire a torpedo, if you used the best German torpedo, it has a range of 14,000 meters. So your max range is like 8.7 miles. That is in detectable range. Plus at that range, the escort's lookouts can spot the torpedoes and have the ships take evasive action.

2. To get every single torpedo to hit like you claim, or even to get some to hit the carrier, you have to get pretty damn close. England has established his carrier has escorts. Generally the escorts surround the carrier. Most likely, you would have hit the escorts, not the carrier, unless your subs managed to avoid sonar, hydrophone, and sight detection, went into the middle of the carrier group, and torpedoed the carrier.

3. The chances of 12 torpedoes hitting a carrier would be insane. A ship has never, ever been hit by that amount of torpedoes at the exact same time. Like 2 or 3? Possible, but if you account for the escorts, I would assume yes, you sunk a ton of ships, you probably took out a destroyer or cruiser or a few, but chances are, unless you were inside the group that is all you sank.

4. The fact your destroyer responded in 30 minutes would most likely be very suspicious. You stated destroyer, but since Germany in the war mostly had "torpedo boats" I am going to assume you used the most advanced one possible. The Type 39 torpedo boat has a max speed of 33.5 knots; aka 38.6 miles per hour. So that means at the time of the torpedoing, your destroyer was only 19.3 miles away from the carrier, which would be odd. Although I could argue that if your ship was moving at 19 knots to conserve fuel, your destroyer would have been 11 miles from the carrier, which would be outside the norm and would be suspicious.

5. You are within 4-9 miles of the carrier group. Subs aren't that fast submerged, they can be tracked and sunk by the escorts with relative ease so there is that too. Plus the subs you were claiming to use before had a lessened dive depth so that will hurt you too.

I kinda feel like the post is a godmod. Generally in the RPs I have been in, controlling the enemy's reaction or the damage faced is a godmod.

[Draos]

I'm thinking 200 grand in US Dollars and maybe 1500 tonnes of iron per year for 10 years sounds reasonable

Same here.

So I'll send a diplomat to Paris to ask for French assistance in the invasion. with the Offer of 1 million Scandinavian Krona (since the exchange rate from USD to SEK in 1950 was 5.1) and the iron in exchange.

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

Same here.

So I'll send a diplomat to Paris to ask for French assistance in the invasion. with the Offer of 1 million Scandinavian Krona (since the exchange rate from USD to SEK in 1950 was 5.1) and the iron in exchange.

I would assume you are aware that some parts of Saudi Arabia are under UN administration.

[Draos]

So I'll send a diplomat to Paris to ask for French assistance in the invasion. with the Offer of 1 million Scandinavian Krona (since the exchange rate from USD to SEK in 1950 was 5.1) and the iron in exchange.

I would assume you are aware that some parts of Saudi Arabia are under UN administration.

We're going for the Persian gulf side.

[Monsone]

Same here.

So I'll send a diplomat to Paris to ask for French assistance in the invasion. with the Offer of 1 million Scandinavian Krona (since the exchange rate from USD to SEK in 1950 was 5.1) and the iron in exchange.

Alright.

[Bolslania]

It is cassus belli but they'd have to know it was me. Which is damn near impossible
Also my ship going to help allows me to clear some of the blame.

And yes, the USSR and England have final say, but it's highly unlikely that they survived after I detonated their ship

Gib nuclear blueprints pls

5 million. USD AND THEIR yours

[Bolslania]

Hey Bolslania while we should wait for England to comment on your attack, I am not quite understanding the context.

I feel like you have been in contradiction lately.

1. You said your subs aren't in sonar range. But to fire a torpedo, if you used the best German torpedo, it has a range of 14,000 meters. So your max range is like 8.7 miles. That is in detectable range. Plus at that range, the escort's lookouts can spot the torpedoes and have the ships take evasive action.

2. To get every single torpedo to hit like you claim, or even to get some to hit the carrier, you have to get pretty damn close. England has established his carrier has escorts. Generally the escorts surround the carrier. Most likely, you would have hit the escorts, not the carrier, unless your subs managed to avoid sonar, hydrophone, and sight detection, went into the middle of the carrier group, and torpedoed the carrier.

3. The chances of 12 torpedoes hitting a carrier would be insane. A ship has never, ever been hit by that amount of torpedoes at the exact same time. Like 2 or 3? Possible, but if you account for the escorts, I would assume yes, you sunk a ton of ships, you probably took out a destroyer or cruiser or a few, but chances are, unless you were inside the group that is all you sank.

4. The fact your destroyer responded in 30 minutes would most likely be very suspicious. You stated destroyer, but since Germany in the war mostly had "torpedo boats" I am going to assume you used the most advanced one possible. The Type 39 torpedo boat has a max speed of 33.5 knots; aka 38.6 miles per hour. So that means at the time of the torpedoing, your destroyer was only 19.3 miles away from the carrier, which would be odd. Although I could argue that if your ship was moving at 19 knots to conserve fuel, your destroyer would have been 11 miles from the carrier, which would be outside the norm and would be suspicious.

5. You are within 4-9 miles of the carrier group. Subs aren't that fast submerged, they can be tracked and sunk by the escorts with relative ease so there is that too. Plus the subs you were claiming to use before had a lessened dive depth so that will hurt you too.

I kinda feel like the post is a godmod. Generally in the RPs I have been in, controlling the enemy's reaction or the damage faced is a godmod.

1. The subs moved in to fire.

2. There were 6 subs all firing at one target, let's say each fires three torps, so that means that 66% of the torps hit

3.Also, rarely dis Wolfpack all fire at one target, usually the just fires at desperate targets

4. The destroyer was on standby to move in after the attack

5. They might be able to slip the escorts, because the escorts will be preoccupied trying to save Anastasia and Vladimir, while 2 or 3 Destroyers would be able to come after me.

6. The damage i described is pretty accurate to what the Carrier would experience


I might tweak it a bit tho

[Draos]

So I'll send a diplomat to Paris to ask for French assistance in the invasion. with the Offer of 1 million Scandinavian Krona (since the exchange rate from USD to SEK in 1950 was 5.1) and the iron in exchange.

Alright.

I had him show up to your foreign minister's office.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Hey Bolslania while we should wait for England to comment on your attack, I am not quite understanding the context.

I feel like you have been in contradiction lately.

1. You said your subs aren't in sonar range. But to fire a torpedo, if you used the best German torpedo, it has a range of 14,000 meters. So your max range is like 8.7 miles. That is in detectable range. Plus at that range, the escort's lookouts can spot the torpedoes and have the ships take evasive action.

2. To get every single torpedo to hit like you claim, or even to get some to hit the carrier, you have to get pretty damn close. England has established his carrier has escorts. Generally the escorts surround the carrier. Most likely, you would have hit the escorts, not the carrier, unless your subs managed to avoid sonar, hydrophone, and sight detection, went into the middle of the carrier group, and torpedoed the carrier.

3. The chances of 12 torpedoes hitting a carrier would be insane. A ship has never, ever been hit by that amount of torpedoes at the exact same time. Like 2 or 3? Possible, but if you account for the escorts, I would assume yes, you sunk a ton of ships, you probably took out a destroyer or cruiser or a few, but chances are, unless you were inside the group that is all you sank.

4. The fact your destroyer responded in 30 minutes would most likely be very suspicious. You stated destroyer, but since Germany in the war mostly had "torpedo boats" I am going to assume you used the most advanced one possible. The Type 39 torpedo boat has a max speed of 33.5 knots; aka 38.6 miles per hour. So that means at the time of the torpedoing, your destroyer was only 19.3 miles away from the carrier, which would be odd. Although I could argue that if your ship was moving at 19 knots to conserve fuel, your destroyer would have been 11 miles from the carrier, which would be outside the norm and would be suspicious.

5. You are within 4-9 miles of the carrier group. Subs aren't that fast submerged, they can be tracked and sunk by the escorts with relative ease so there is that too. Plus the subs you were claiming to use before had a lessened dive depth so that will hurt you too.

I kinda feel like the post is a godmod. Generally in the RPs I have been in, controlling the enemy's reaction or the damage faced is a godmod.

1. The subs moved in to fire.

2. There were 6 subs all firing at one target, let's say each fires three torps, so that means that 66% of the torps hit

3.Also, rarely dis Wolfpack all fire at one target, usually the just fires at desperate targets

4. The destroyer was on standby to move in after the attack

5. They might be able to slip the escorts, because the escorts will be preoccupied trying to save Anastasia and Vladimir, while 2 or 3 Destroyers would be able to come after me.

6. The damage i described is pretty accurate to what the Carrier would experience


I might tweak it a bit tho

1. That means you are in the range of sonar and since your ships have most likely surfaced since they are firing their torpedoes, they are detectable. And since you are this close, the hydrophones on the British ships can actually hear your torpedoes being launched.

2. You are firing at one target, but it is surrounded by escorts. Generally a carrier is literally surrounded by escort ships which your are most likely going to hit instead of a carrier. To put it in the most simple terms, it is like trying to shoot a person surrounded by bodyguards, except you also 8 miles away.

3. The fact you have grouped the ships to fire at a single target increases the chances of being detected by sonar and you yourself are making the spread of the torpedoes smaller which decreases the chances of a hit.

4. Yeah that is suspicious and it could point to your involvement in the attack.

5. You have offered 6 targets for the escorts. There is a very good chance several of the subs will be sunk or captured. If you hit the carrier with 12 torpedoes at once, which is almost impossible since the carrier isn't that big, chances are the carrier would have been completely blown up since you would have hit the armory meaning the ship is sunk in minutes allowing all the escorts to locate and sink your subs.

6. 12 torpedoes hitting at once is unprecedented, so we can't confirm what would have happened. As it goes, it is odd you fired 18 torpedoes at one target since a torpedo is not cheap. For the ship of the size you are attacking, procedure would call for maybe 3-4 torpedoes, not 12. Mind you, each torpedo is well over ten thousand 1950 dollars.


I think the fairest way to go is have the post be your subs either firing or getting ready to fire, which allows England to respond to the post. He has the chance to detect the subs, to evade the torpedoes, or sink the subs that way and would be more realistic.

[Monsone]

Alright.

I had him show up to your foreign minister's office.

It's time for the meeting now.

[Wasi State]

Btw Monsone, France get the telegram response from South Africa, yes?

[Draos]

I had him show up to your foreign minister's office.

It's time for the meeting now.

Sorry I got caught up in a overwatch game.

[Monsone]

Btw Monsone, France get the telegram response from South Africa, yes?

Yes. The planes will be delivered in 1 month IC time since they still need to be double checked before delivery. The cargo ships with the land vehicles are underway to South Africa at the moment.

[Romextly]

Hey france, can I get a destroyer? It will be my first big ship

[Wasi State]

Btw Monsone, France get the telegram response from South Africa, yes?

Yes. The planes will be delivered in 1 month IC time since they still need to be double checked before delivery. The cargo ships with the land vehicles are underway to South Africa at the moment.

Neato.

[Draos]

Hey Saderia if you get approved as USA can I order some blueprints for some Baltimore-class heavy cruisers

[Romextly]

Hey Saderia if you get approved as USA can I order some blueprints for some Baltimore-class heavy cruisers

Sarderia is already approved

[Draos]

Hey Saderia if you get approved as USA can I order some blueprints for some Baltimore-class heavy cruisers

Sarderia is already approved

Yeah I wasn't sure so I wanted to be safe.

[Bolslania]

1. The subs moved in to fire.

2. There were 6 subs all firing at one target, let's say each fires three torps, so that means that 66% of the torps hit

3.Also, rarely dis Wolfpack all fire at one target, usually the just fires at desperate targets

4. The destroyer was on standby to move in after the attack

5. They might be able to slip the escorts, because the escorts will be preoccupied trying to save Anastasia and Vladimir, while 2 or 3 Destroyers would be able to come after me.

6. The damage i described is pretty accurate to what the Carrier would experience


I might tweak it a bit tho

1. That means you are in the range of sonar and since your ships have most likely surfaced since they are firing their torpedoes, they are detectable. And since you are this close, the hydrophones on the British ships can actually hear your torpedoes being launched.

2. You are firing at one target, but it is surrounded by escorts. Generally a carrier is literally surrounded by escort ships which your are most likely going to hit instead of a carrier. To put it in the most simple terms, it is like trying to shoot a person surrounded by bodyguards, except you also 8 miles away.

3. The fact you have grouped the ships to fire at a single target increases the chances of being detected by sonar and you yourself are making the spread of the torpedoes smaller which decreases the chances of a hit.

4. Yeah that is suspicious and it could point to your involvement in the attack.

5. You have offered 6 targets for the escorts. There is a very good chance several of the subs will be sunk or captured. If you hit the carrier with 12 torpedoes at once, which is almost impossible since the carrier isn't that big, chances are the carrier would have been completely blown up since you would have hit the armory meaning the ship is sunk in minutes allowing all the escorts to locate and sink your subs.

6. 12 torpedoes hitting at once is unprecedented, so we can't confirm what would have happened. As it goes, it is odd you fired 18 torpedoes at one target since a torpedo is not cheap. For the ship of the size you are attacking, procedure would call for maybe 3-4 torpedoes, not 12. Mind you, each torpedo is well over ten thousand 1950 dollars.


I think the fairest way to go is have the post be your subs either firing or getting ready to fire, which allows England to respond to the post. He has the chance to detect the subs, to evade the torpedoes, or sink the subs that way and would be more realistic.

Subs don't need to surface to fire torps, they prefer to, but on a heavily escorted situation like this, they wouldn't.

Also, this attack is very important, and I took every measure to make sure it happened. Also, sonar and hydrophones were primitive in 51, so they wouldn't know it was me. They'd know my subs were there, they'd know my torps were fired. But they wouldn't have solid enough evidence to have justifiable war. And yes, he may get some of my subs. But I said they dived, so they probably went quite deep, for they were rated to 240 meters deep. So they would be hard to find, and if they were found, it would be pretty hard to hit them with depth charges.


If APH gets back on and details specifically how his people react, I'll act fairly and accordingly

[HypErcApitAl]

after some conversations with some other people and my co-op. i have decided to ban the Mathuvan Union. I will talk to the mods to see if they can block him from accessing the thread, but until then if he causes a scene please do not engage, do screenshots or copy post links and tg them to me. It has also been brought to my attention that we need more co-op's. If anyone would like to apply for a co-op position, you are more than able to. I will take 3 co-op's first come first serve

thanks.

He called my RP "a festival for godmodding" when it's literally A Train Of Free Expression.

[HypErcApitAl]

Bad Karma. Karma is a hoe.

Atleast FWM and Monsone have been pretty supporting of me the entire time instead of being toxic. All I can say.

[Draos]

Does anyone want to be in charge of the Saudi forces for the Scandinavian invasion? I'm asking because it's the best way to ensure fairness in the invasion as I have shown I have a hard time not making it one sided.

[Monsone]

Does anyone want to be in charge of the Saudi forces for the Scandinavian invasion? I'm asking because it's the best way to ensure fairness in the invasion as I have shown I have a hard time not making it one sided.

You won't get French support unless you turn Arabia into a puppet state.

[Draos]

Does anyone want to be in charge of the Saudi forces for the Scandinavian invasion? I'm asking because it's the best way to ensure fairness in the invasion as I have shown I have a hard time not making it one sided.

You won't get French support unless you turn Arabia into a puppet state.

That's the plan as stated in my latest post but even then I'd still have to fight the Saudi army to make it a puppet.