Cold War RP: Reboot, (OPEN)

[Mathuvan Union]

TBH that would be hard.

I'll have 38 Naval ships (the max the Swedish had at the end of ww2) 450 fighters 300 bombers and recon craft 450 artillery pieces 580 medium tanks 660 light tanks armored cars and APCs and 155,000 troops armed with the Automatgevär m/42 semi-automatic rifle Kulsprutepistol m/45 smg and Lahti L-35 pistol does that sound reasonable?

My Air Force recently got reformed to have better planes, and we have 55 ships. Excluding patrol boats and carriers. With them, it’s 160. We have 100 patrol boats and 5 carriers.

Does it include weapons and artillery?

[Monsone]

I'll have a comprehensive list of all the French equipment of the time in a few hours.

[Draos]

I'll have 38 Naval ships (the max the Swedish had at the end of ww2) 450 fighters 300 bombers and recon craft 450 artillery pieces 580 medium tanks 660 light tanks armored cars and APCs and 155,000 troops armed with the Automatgevär m/42 semi-automatic rifle Kulsprutepistol m/45 smg and Lahti L-35 pistol does that sound reasonable?

My Air Force recently got reformed to have better planes, and we have 55 ships. Excluding patrol boats and carriers. With them, it’s 160. We have 100 patrol boats and 5 carriers.

Does it include weapons and artillery?

I'd add artillery but for me the specific weapons was just a personal touch because those are All Swedish/Finnish made weapons

[Mathuvan Union]

My Air Force recently got reformed to have better planes, and we have 55 ships. Excluding patrol boats and carriers. With them, it’s 160. We have 100 patrol boats and 5 carriers.

Does it include weapons and artillery?

I'd add artillery but for me the specific weapons was just a personal touch because those are All Swedish/Finnish made weapons

My stuff would include top secret weapons - which isn’t very fair. We updated the Minas Gareas. Top secret.
Also, we made a Brazilian version of the F-86 Sabre.

[Draos]

The main Scandinavian fighter is the J21

[Mathuvan Union]

The main Scandinavian fighter is the J21

Ours is the F-86
Among others, but they are top secret. We reverse engineered the F-86 for the engine and are about to announce a new plane.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I've already done mine.

TBH that would be hard.

1935-2000 Era War RP

That's the link to a national statistics threat of an RP I'm in, everyone took the time to list out most of what they use. In my case, I listed out every single thing my nation used, for every class of ship to the bayonet used on the rifles. Take a look, some people are really detailed.

[Mathuvan Union]

TBH that would be hard.

[url=https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=465378&sid=2e47cbf9f84be88165e4e751e4b35439
]1935-2000 Era War RP[/url]

That's the link to a national statistics threat of an RP I'm in, everyone took the time to list out most of what they use. In my case, I listed out every single thing my nation used, for every class of ship to the bayonet used on the rifles. Take a look, some people are really detailed.

I will sometime. But not bayonets. After extensive study, Brazilian scientists discovered that Bayonets were hardly ever used. They were replaced with a small prick that is highly poisonous once your rifle is on fire mode.

[Draos]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_Sweden_during_the_Cold_War this is what I use

[Mathuvan Union]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_Sweden_during_the_Cold_War this is what I use

The only reference I have is about aircraft carriers.

[Monsone]

This will be my military equipment and information post for both France and Italy.

Submarines:

45 Type XXI Submarines (Rebuilt 1946-1950)
5 Aurore Class Submarines (Rebuilt 1948-1950)
5 Redoutable Class Submarines (Rebuilt 1945-1947)

Surface Ships:

7 Bougainville Class Avisos (Rebuilt/Raised 1945-1948)
2 Bretagne Class Battleships (To be retired in 1952)
2 Dunkerque Class Battleships (Raised and Rebuilt 1945-1949)
2 Richelieu Class Battleships (Built 1935-1949)
1 Courbet Class Battleship (To be retired in 1952)
5 La Galissonniere Class Light Cruisers (Two raised and rebuilt 1945-1949)
3 Suffren Class Heavy Cruisers (Two raised and rebuilt 1946-1949)
3 Aigle Class Destroyers (Two raised and rebuilt 1945-1948)
4 Vauquelin Class Destroyers (Raised and rebuilt 1945-1949)
5 La Fantasque Class Destroyers (One raised and rebuilt 1945-1947)
7 Le Hardi Class Destroyers (Four built 1945-1949, three raised and rebuilt 1945-1949)
16 Cannon Class Destroyer Escorts (Transferred as aid from 1947-1949, and six from the Free French Navy)
5 Type 1936A Class Destroyers (War reparations from Germany)
3 Type 1934A Class Destroyers (War reparations from Germany)
5 Tacoma Class Frigates (Transferred as aid in 1947)
7 River Class Frigates (Transferred to the Free French Navy in 1944)
10 Elan Class Minesweeper Sloop (Several raised and rebuilt 1946-1949)
10 Chamois Class Minesweeper Sloops (Several raised and rebuilt 1945-1948 with the rest built 1945-1949)
15 M1940 Class Minesweepers (War reparations built in Germany for France 1946-1949)
15 Type 39 Torpedo Boats (War reparations built in Germany for France 1945-1948)
1 Bearn Class Aircraft Carrier
1 Avenger Class Escort Carrier (Donated by UK in 1945)
1 Colossus Class Aircraft Carrier (Transferred by the UK as aid in 1946)
2 Independence Class Aircraft Carriers (Transferred as aid in 1949)

Building:

5 De Grasse Class Anti-Air Cruisers

Tanks:

300 AMX-50/100 (From an order of 900)
500 M26A1 Pershings (Transferred as aid in 1949 to be retired with the delivery of the M47s)
350 M46 Pattons (Transferred as aid in 1949)
0 M47 Pattons (An order for 850 was placed in 1949 with military aid funds)
0 AMX-50/155 Foch (An order for 300 was placed in 1949)
500 M4A2E8 Shermans (To be retired from 1955 on)
500 AMX-13/75 (From an order of 3,500)

Tank Destroyers:

350 M10 Tank Destroyers (227 Used by Free France, the rest transfered aid. To be fitted with the SA50 75mm tank gun in the future)
200 M8 Howitzer Gun Motor Carriage (Some from Free France, some as post-war aid)
350 M36 Tank Destroyer (Some from Free France, the rest as post-war aid)

Armored Cars

500 Panhard EBRs (From an order of 2,500)
850 M8 Greyhound (Post-war aid transfer)
850 T17E1 Staghound (Post-war aid transfer)
450 Panhard 178B

Self Propelled Artillery:

50 M41 Howitzer Motor Carriage (Post-war aid transfer)
750 M7 Priest (Some inherited from Free France, most post-war aid transfer)

Half Tracks And Scout Cars:

1,500 M2 Half-Track Cars (Post-war aid transfer)
1,500 M3 Scout Cars (Post-war aid transfer)
3,500 M3 Half-Tracks (Post-war aid transfer)
1,500 M5 Half-Tracks (Inherited from Free France)

Assorted Vehicles:

2,500 M29 Weasels (Donated post-war)
500 T-16 Universal Carrier (Donated post-war)
45,000 Dodge WC Series Trucks (Some inherited from Free France, most are post-war donations)
75,000 Willys MB (Most inherited from Free France as well as suplemented by post-war donations)
15,000 Citroen U23 Light Trucks
950 M5 Tractors (Post-war aid transfer)
950 M4 Tractors (Post-war aid transfer)

Landing Vehicles:

750 LVT(A)-4 (Post-war aid transfer)
750 LVT(A)-1 (Post-war aid transfer)
1,500 LVT-4 (Post-war aid transfer)
3,500 DUKW (Some inherited from Free France, most are post-war aid transfers)
3,500 LCVP (Post-war aid transfer)

Artillery:

750 57mm M1 Anti-Tank Gun (Most from Free France, some post-war donations)
1,500 Ordnance QF 25-pounder Mk. II (Inherited from Free France)
750 BL 5.5-inch medium gun (Inherited from Free France)
2,500 M116 Howitzer (Inherited from Free France)
2,500 M18 Recoiless Rifle (Post-war aid)
2,500 M101 Howitzer (Post-war aid)
2,500 M114 155mm Howitzers (Post-war aid)
3,500 Brandt Mle 27/31 Mortars
7,500 Brandt Mle 1935 Mortars

Anti-Air Defences:

950 M16 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage (70 from Free France, the rest is post-war aid)
4,500 M2 90mm AA Guns (Post-war aid transfers)
7,500 Bofors 40mm AA Guns (Post-war aid transfers)


Small Arms:

Modele 1935A Pistol (Standard Service Pistol)
Modele 1935S Pistol (Standard Service Pistol)
Walther PP (Produced in France)(Limited Service Pistol)
Walther P38 (Limited Service Pistol)
Browning Hi-Power (Produced In France)(Limited Service Pistol)(To Become New Service Pistol)
FN Model 1910 (Limited Service Pistol)
MAS-49 Semi-Automatic Rifle (Standard Service Rifle)
MAS-36 Rifle (Reserves Only)
M1 Carbine (Standard Service Paratrooper Carbine)
Winchester Model 70 (Standard Service Sniper Rifle)
MP 40 Submachine Gun (Produced In France)(Standard Service Submachine Gun)
M2 Browning HB Machine Gun (Standard Service Heavy Machine Gun)
M1919 Browning Machine Gun (Standard General Purpose Machine Gun)
FM 24/29 Light Machine Gun (Standard Service Light Machine Gun)

Anti-Tank Weapons:

M20B1 Super Bazooka (Post-war aid transfers)
M9A1 Bazooka (Post-war aid transfers)
M1A1 Bazooka (Post-war aid transfers)

Jet Fighters:

250 Dassault Ouragan
150 Glouster Meteor F.8
250 De Haviland Vampire FB.5 (Built in France by Sud-Est)

Propeller Fighters:

350 P-47D Thunderbolts
350 P-51D Mustangs

Transport Aircraft:

150 Dassault MD 315 Flamant
150 C-47 Skytrain
15 Sud-Ouest Bretange
150 Caudron C.440 Goeland
150 Caudron Simoun C.635M
150 Ju 52/m3
45 DC-6
45 DC-4
45 Cessena 310

Bomber Aircraft:

150 North American B-25H
75 Boeing B-29
45 Junkers Ju 88 (War reparations)
45 Handley Page Halifax (Inherited from Free France)
45 Junkers Ju 188 (War reparations)

Helicopters:

350 Bell 47
75 Breguet G.111
75 Sikorsky H-5

Trainer Aircraft:

150 Lockheed T-33 Jet Trainer
750 Moran-Salunier MS.230
750 North American T-6 Texan

Naval Aircraft:

250 Grumman F6F-5 Hellcats (Both ground and carrier bassed)
150 Vultee A-31 Vengance (Both ground and carrier bassed)
45 PBY-5A Catalina
45 PBY4Y-2 Privateer

Reconnaissance Aircraft:

150 Piper J-3 Cub
350 Fi 156 (French Production)
150 F-6D (P-51D reconnaissance variant (Some inherited from Free France, most are post-war donations)

Submarines:

2 Type VIIC U-Boats (Tranfered from France in 1948)
1 Type IXB U-Boat (Tranfered from France in 1948)
1 Type IXC U-Boat (Transfered from France in 1948)

Surface Ships:

2 Andrea Doria Class Battleships (Fleet flagships)
2 Duca degli Abruzzi Class Light Cruisers (Rebuilt 1949-1949)
2 Capitani Romani Class Light Cruisers (Rebuilt 1946-1949)
2 Maestrale Class Destroyers (One rebuilt 1944-1945)
5 Soldati Class Destroyers (Rebuilt 1944-1949)
5 Spica Class Torpedo Boats

Small Arms:

M1 Garand Semi-Automatic Rifle(Standard Service Rifle)
M1 Carbine (Special Forces Carbine)
Winchester Model 70 (Standard Service Sniper Rifle)
M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle (Standard Service Light Machine Gun)
250,000 Beretta Modelo 38 (Standard Service Submachine Gun)
SRCM Mod. 35 Grenade
OTO Mod. 42 Incendiary Grenade
Type L Anti-Tank Grenade
Breda Mod. 42 Anti-Tank Grenade
M2 Browning HB Machine Gun (Standard Service Heavy Machine Gun)
M1919 Browning Machine Gun (Standard General Purpose Machine Gun)

Artilery:

750 Obice da 149/19 Mod. 37 (Heavy Howitzer)
750 M101 105mm Howitzer (Post-war aid)
350 M114 155mm Howitzer (Post-war aid)
75 M115 203mm Howitzer (Post-war aid)

Self Propelled Artilery:

150 M7B2 Priest Self Propelled Artillery (Post-war aid)

Tanks:

150 M26A1 Pershings (Post-war aid)
150 M4A2E8 Shermans (Post-war aid)
150 Sherman Fireflies VC (Post-war aid)
500 M24 Chaffees (Post-war aid)

Tank Destroyers:

150 M10C Tank Destroyer (M10 with 17-pounder gun)(Post-war aid)
150 M36 Tank Destroyer (Post-war aid)
WIP

Jet Fighters:

75 De Havilland Vampire FB.5 (French built aircraft)

Propeller Fighters:

75 P-47D Thunderbolts
75 P-51D Mustangs

Transport Aircraft:

45 C-47 Skytrains
45 Ju 52/m3
15 DC-4s

Bomber Aircraft:

75 North American B-25H

[Draos]

How long do you guys think I should wait for the Soviet player before just going ahead and invading Finland??

[Bolslania]

I would like to propose everyone take the time to make list of what equipment each military has. It doesn't have to be specific, but if everyone just set in stone the number of certain classes of ships, the number of tanks, and the number of planes that would end the guessing and put an end to people claiming they have a certain class of ships out of nowhere.

I'm going to do that sometime soon, I've just been waiting to liberate Japan and Korea so I can have a full list

Ground vehicles and Infantry equipment
700,000 Stg 44 Assualt Rifles

300,000 Mp 40 SMGs

1,000,000,000 Walther PP Semi-Automatic pistols

120 Centurion MBTs

300 Panther II MBTs

340 Panther MBTs (Cycling out)

500 Sd. Kfz. 243 APCs

1000 88mm Field Artillery pieces

780 105mm Field Artillery pieces

1000 35mm automatic flak cannons

980 50mm automatic flak cannons

700 88mm burst AA Artillery

1000 Opel Blitz II trucks
Air vehicles

430 Me-262 Ds

390 Me 109 Ks

350 FW 190 Ds

324 Do 335s

400 Ho 229s

398 Ar 234s

400 Ju 288s

234 Ju 390s

and 500 transport airplanes

Naval vehicles

180 XXI Elektroboot U-boats

23 XXIV Elektroboot U-boats

13 Z39 destroyers

10 Konigsberg class light cruisers

8 Hipper class Heavy cruisers

2 Scharnhorst class battleships

1 Graf Zeppelin class aircraft carrier in production.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I'm currently working on my list, I have to do research but I prefer to have my list detailed so I don't have to research the same ship later

EDIT: One question regarding Germany's ships, how do you have the battleships and heavy cruisers? Those take 4 years or more to build. And Germany has had maybe 4 years? I highly doubt right after 1945 Germany would have started building battleships.

Also why 1 billion pistols? Is he arming the population of China?

[Monsone]

I'm currently working on my list, I have to do research but I prefer to have my list detailed so I don't have to research the same ship later

EDIT: One question regarding Germany's ships, how do you have the battleships and heavy cruisers? Those take 4 years or more to build. And Germany has had maybe 4 years? I highly doubt right after 1945 Germany would have started building battleships.

Also why 1 billion pistols? Is he arming the population of China?

IDK. I also expected to see a lot more Lugers in that list considering how common they where as well as equiptment that was transfered as aid to Germany.

[Mathuvan Union]

I'm currently working on my list, I have to do research but I prefer to have my list detailed so I don't have to research the same ship later

EDIT: One question regarding Germany's ships, how do you have the battleships and heavy cruisers? Those take 4 years or more to build. And Germany has had maybe 4 years? I highly doubt right after 1945 Germany would have started building battleships.

Also why 1 billion pistols? Is he arming the population of China?

IDK. I also expected to see a lot more Lugers in that list considering how common they where as well as equiptment that was transfered as aid to Germany.

Am working on mine hopefully will be finally done by tomorrow, I have to sleep at some point

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I'm currently working on my list, I have to do research but I prefer to have my list detailed so I don't have to research the same ship later

EDIT: One question regarding Germany's ships, how do you have the battleships and heavy cruisers? Those take 4 years or more to build. And Germany has had maybe 4 years? I highly doubt right after 1945 Germany would have started building battleships.

Also why 1 billion pistols? Is he arming the population of China?

IDK. I also expected to see a lot more Lugers in that list considering how common they where as well as equiptment that was transfered as aid to Germany.

Yeah seems like it has to be a typo. But my issue is that he has battleships and heavy cruisers. He could have had some "donated" but seems unrealistic that he had battleships.

Not only are battleships obsolete, but it takes 4 years to build a battleship. For his case, since his ports and ship slips have been heavily bombed in the war, it would probably take 1-2 years to rebuild the slips, 1 year to gather materials, 1 year to lay down the ship, 3 years to build the ship, then about 1 year of trials. So probably 6-7 years or so looking at the state of Germany after World War Two.

[Mathuvan Union]

IDK. I also expected to see a lot more Lugers in that list considering how common they where as well as equiptment that was transfered as aid to Germany.

Yeah seems like it has to be a typo. But my issue is that he has battleships and heavy cruisers. He could have had some "donated" but seems unrealistic that he had battleships.

Not only are battleships obsolete, but it takes 4 years to build a battleship. For his case, since his ports and ship slips have been heavily bombed in the war, it would probably take 1-2 years to rebuild the slips, 1 year to gather materials, 1 year to lay down the ship, 3 years to build the ship, then about 1 year of trials. So probably 6-7 years or so looking at the state of Germany after World War Two.

Were the dry docks though? They might have blueprints for the Bismarck

[Monsone]

Yeah seems like it has to be a typo. But my issue is that he has battleships and heavy cruisers. He could have had some "donated" but seems unrealistic that he had battleships.

Not only are battleships obsolete, but it takes 4 years to build a battleship. For his case, since his ports and ship slips have been heavily bombed in the war, it would probably take 1-2 years to rebuild the slips, 1 year to gather materials, 1 year to lay down the ship, 3 years to build the ship, then about 1 year of trials. So probably 6-7 years or so looking at the state of Germany after World War Two.

Were the dry docks though? They might have blueprints for the Bismarck

The ship famously sunk by biplanes. IMO, the only reason you would build a battleship in 1950 is for costal bombardment since that is the main roll they still dominate in.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

Were the dry docks though? They might have blueprints for the Bismarck

The ship famously sunk by biplanes. IMO, the only reason you would build a battleship in 1950 is for costal bombardment since that is the main roll they still dominate in.

Well even at coastal bombardment they are just eh. Since Germany isn't going to attack a nation far away any time soon, there is no need for a battleship. Cruisers and destroyers IRL mostly were used in coastal bombardment. GIs preferred the destroyers and cruisers because they could immediately deliever support. Battleships could take an hour in practice as they required relaying the request though the chain of command and by that time either the enemy is dead, withdraw, or the GIs were dead.

[Malay Raya]

Hold on, what's going on with the OPEC discussion in IC? Again i'm not good at economies, so by closing my market for Europeans and only trade with OPEC nations and the ones I have alliances with, I would gain benefit?

[Monsone]

The ship famously sunk by biplanes. IMO, the only reason you would build a battleship in 1950 is for costal bombardment since that is the main roll they still dominate in.

Well even at coastal bombardment they are just eh. Since Germany isn't going to attack a nation far away any time soon, there is no need for a battleship. Cruisers and destroyers IRL mostly were used in coastal bombardment. GIs preferred the destroyers and cruisers because they could immediately deliever support. Battleships could take an hour in practice as they required relaying the request though the chain of command and by that time either the enemy is dead, withdraw, or the GIs were dead.

Good point. But I was more so speaking about the fact that battleships would be ideal if it was pre-planned and the targets where pre-selected similar to D-Day where battleships proved effective thanks to their huge guns destroying fortifications. But even then a cruiser with 152mm or 203mm guns could to the same job.

[Monsone]

Hold on, what's going on with the OPEC discussion in IC? Again i'm not good at economies, so by closing my market for Europeans and only trade with OPEC nations and the ones I have alliances with, I would gain benefit?

IDK what OPEC has been doing, but by cutting off trade, that actually makes it worse not only on the country you cut trade with but also in your country as there then is a shortage of whatever you used to receive from the other nation. This wierd OPEC protectionisim of only trading amongst one another is not benefitial at all to OPEC and to the world a large from an economic standpoint. You best option? Keep trading your goods as normal unless you are unable too. Cutting off trade makes a recession worse. It's like treaing a cut by stabbing it with a hot knife. Yes you might disinfect the cut and possibly cauterize it, but now you've got a knife stuck in you.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Hold on, what's going on with the OPEC discussion in IC? Again i'm not good at economies, so by closing my market for Europeans and only trade with OPEC nations and the ones I have alliances with, I would gain benefit?

IDK what OPEC has been doing, but by cutting off trade, that actually makes it worse not only on the country you cut trade with but also in your country as there then is a shortage of whatever you used to receive from the other nation. This wierd OPEC protectionisim of only trading amongst one another is not benefitial at all to OPEC and to the world a large from an economic standpoint. You best option? Keep trading your goods as normal unless you are unable too. Cutting off trade makes a recession worse. It's like treaing a cut by stabbing it with a hot knife. Yes you might disinfect the cut and possibly cauterize it, but now you've got a knife stuck in you.

Simple. We will be isolated form the rest of the world, and avoid your economic recession because we won't have to buy now worhtless things from you. The USSR wasn't affected that much by the stock market crash of 1929(so many orphans), because it had a command economy. Granted, that didn't help much, since it was piss poor, but it will to us.

[Monsone]

IDK what OPEC has been doing, but by cutting off trade, that actually makes it worse not only on the country you cut trade with but also in your country as there then is a shortage of whatever you used to receive from the other nation. This wierd OPEC protectionisim of only trading amongst one another is not benefitial at all to OPEC and to the world a large from an economic standpoint. You best option? Keep trading your goods as normal unless you are unable too. Cutting off trade makes a recession worse. It's like treaing a cut by stabbing it with a hot knife. Yes you might disinfect the cut and possibly cauterize it, but now you've got a knife stuck in you.

Simple. We will be isolated form the rest of the world, and avoid your economic recession because we won't have to buy now worhtless things from you. The USSR wasn't affected that much by the stock market crash of 1929(so many orphans), because it had a command economy. Granted, that didn't help much, since it was piss poor, but it will to us.

No but seriously, this protectionsim might turn more of the world to non-oil bassed energy since OPEC will just cease trading it when the global economy has an economic downturn or crisis. That means more coal, hydroelectric, and *gasp* nuclear will all become more common as energy sources since they will not be restricted by an organization that won't trade when the global economy is aflicted by a recession or downturn. You're saying no to things like advanced medical supplies from Europe, medicines only made industrial nations like America, uranium for your nuclear projects, etc.

The reason the USSR wasn't affected by the Crash of 1929 was because it had nothing to trade on the stock market and had no market of it's own. Partly because of the command economy, but mostly because there where few economic freedoms and not enough for large scale trade with the rest of the world, so the crash wasn't felt because there was practially no international trade in comodities, just grain and a few other materials). But unlike the USSR, all your countries have companies and comodities that are traded globaly so even if you "seal" yourselves off, the commodities continue to trade because of the free market. And while the "sealing" of OPEC may jack up their value, it's artificial inflation that would benefit countries with less of those resources since their lesser ammounts are now worth so much more. Not to mention the fact that once you "unseal" yourselves, the value will drop and OPEC will have lost out on an artificially inflated comodity bubble. So it's a loose-loose scenario either way.

IDK why OPEC think's this is a good idea. From my perspective it's going to lead to less inversion in OPEC countries as nations invest elsewhere because of the fact that other nations don't view an economic downturn as unusual it's part of a free market economy. And those countries will boom in the near future.