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Postby Monsone » Sun May 17, 2020 9:46 pm

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
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It's unknown. Korea claimed a while back that they where alive, but knowning how communisim and monarchies mix, thats dubious at best. And yes, sorry for forgetting the Soviet Invasion of Manchuria.

Still, a peaceful Japan? If France couldn't keep Indochina for much longer after 1945, then Korea should really be strugelling against Japan.

Yeah, I find that claim Japan "peacefully" surrendered to not just Korea, but a COMMUNIST Korea very unlikely.

Especially with the monarchy thing. The US had the sense to know that removing the Emperor was a terrible idea: in the people's eyes the Emperor's supposed to be a God and Japan was fully willing to fight to the bitter end even after the bombings and the invasions if it weren't for the Emperor finally getting his act together and saying "no, we're done."

If Japan barely bowed for one of the two industrial superpowers in the world, who had the sense of allowing the monarchy to remain, then they'd most definitely not bow to the whims of not just a former colony and the upholder of an ideology they held in even more contempt then Western Imperialism who doesn't have nuclear weapons, but also one who dissolved the monarchy (and knowing North Korea, probably dissolved the monarch too).

I'm just sceptical I suppose. I'm always a bit sceptical whenever one guy decides to take a bunch of territory on a whim while not considering the ethnic and nationalist repercussions.


That perfectly sums up the scenario. Heck, by the 1950s I can gauaruntee there will be ethnic strife in France. It may not lead to indepence, but there certainly will be issues.

And yes Canada took Denmark and then gave it to me. But frankly Denmark was a) still in need of rebuilding, and b) not long after given to it's rightful Nordic/Scandinavian overlords. So while therec ould have been ethnic strife, Denmark wasn't French for long enough to cause all those issues.
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Sun May 17, 2020 9:51 pm

Monsone wrote:
The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Yeah, I find that claim Japan "peacefully" surrendered to not just Korea, but a COMMUNIST Korea very unlikely.

Especially with the monarchy thing. The US had the sense to know that removing the Emperor was a terrible idea: in the people's eyes the Emperor's supposed to be a God and Japan was fully willing to fight to the bitter end even after the bombings and the invasions if it weren't for the Emperor finally getting his act together and saying "no, we're done."

If Japan barely bowed for one of the two industrial superpowers in the world, who had the sense of allowing the monarchy to remain, then they'd most definitely not bow to the whims of not just a former colony and the upholder of an ideology they held in even more contempt then Western Imperialism who doesn't have nuclear weapons, but also one who dissolved the monarchy (and knowing North Korea, probably dissolved the monarch too).

I'm just sceptical I suppose. I'm always a bit sceptical whenever one guy decides to take a bunch of territory on a whim while not considering the ethnic and nationalist repercussions.


That perfectly sums up the scenario. Heck, by the 1950s I can gauaruntee there will be ethnic strife in France. It may not lead to indepence, but there certainly will be issues.

And yes Canada took Denmark and then gave it to me. But frankly Denmark was a) still in need of rebuilding, and b) not long after given to it's rightful Nordic/Scandinavian overlords. So while therec ould have been ethnic strife, Denmark wasn't French for long enough to cause all those issues.

Best case scenario I'd imagine is having a puppet state, but having it be just a semi-autonomous region is bound to get quite a lot of problems.

"In 1949, the [Communist] party made unprecedented gains by winning 10 percent of the vote and sent 35 representatives to the [Japanese] Diet"

That's my opinion

Also, you haven't given Denmark to me ICly yet.

Just wait a bit, I'll be sending telegrams to both you and Canada demanding you liberate the territories.
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Postby Monsone » Sun May 17, 2020 9:55 pm

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
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That perfectly sums up the scenario. Heck, by the 1950s I can gauaruntee there will be ethnic strife in France. It may not lead to indepence, but there certainly will be issues.

And yes Canada took Denmark and then gave it to me. But frankly Denmark was a) still in need of rebuilding, and b) not long after given to it's rightful Nordic/Scandinavian overlords. So while therec ould have been ethnic strife, Denmark wasn't French for long enough to cause all those issues.

Best case scenario I'd imagine is having a puppet state, but having it be just a semi-autonomous region is bound to get quite a lot of problems.

"In 1949, the [Communist] party made unprecedented gains by winning 10 percent of the vote and sent 35 representatives to the [Japanese] Diet"

That's my opinion

Also, you haven't given Denmark to me ICly yet.

Just wait a bit, I'll be sending telegrams to both you and Canada demanding you liberate the territories.


Okay. And frankly, Denmark was an unwanted gift that was sorta given to France. But good are had been taken of the Danes.

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Postby TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON » Sun May 17, 2020 9:59 pm

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
Monsone wrote:
It's unknown. Korea claimed a while back that they where alive, but knowning how communisim and monarchies mix, thats dubious at best. And yes, sorry for forgetting the Soviet Invasion of Manchuria.

Still, a peaceful Japan? If France couldn't keep Indochina for much longer after 1945, then Korea should really be strugelling against Japan.

Yeah, I find that claim Japan "peacefully" surrendered to not just Korea, but a COMMUNIST Korea very unlikely.

Especially with the monarchy thing. The US had the sense to know that removing the Emperor was a terrible idea: in the people's eyes the Emperor's supposed to be a God and Japan was fully willing to fight to the bitter end even after the bombings and the invasions if it weren't for the Emperor finally getting his act together and saying "no, we're done."

If Japan barely bowed for one of the two industrial superpowers in the world, who had the sense of allowing the monarchy to remain, then they'd most definitely not bow to the whims of not just a former colony and the upholder of an ideology they held in even more contempt then Western Imperialism who doesn't have nuclear weapons, but also one who dissolved the monarchy (and knowing North Korea, probably dissolved the monarch too).

Don't mean to offend at all, I'm just sceptical I suppose. I'm always a bit sceptical whenever one guy decides to take a bunch of territory on a whim while not considering the ethnic and nationalist repercussions (yes, that goes for the France and Canada controlling Denmark thing too).


I have to say, being Japanese myself, the older generations, which would be the current generation in this timeline, can be very anti-Korea and China. They would be highly opposed to communism, which would destroy the zaibatsu and probably cause huge problems for the economy. IRL the Americans wanted to get rid of the zaibatsu, but ultimately did not go though with it.

They would have completely resisted a Korean invasion in the first place, but since I don't want to effect the current lore, I will say at the least, a lot of Japanese would be very angry and feel a lot of shame and dishonor. they would want to resist.

Japan IRL had a lot of propaganda going, and to understand it, you have to understand the culture. They believed according to Shintoism, one of the main religions in Japan currently, and even more widespread then, that the Emperor was divine. He is Japan. They would be willing to die in his name; that was the plan actually, if the Americans invaded the "Volunteer Fighting Corps" (Kokumin Giyū Sentōtai) would assist the Imperial Army in defense. They had trained these civilians, who were so amazingly loyal, they were willing to run at heavily armed Americans with just bamboo spears and two grenades.

It tells you the effect of the propaganda and religion at the time when for example, my grandmother, who is Japanese American, and was raised in internment where shintoism was banned, still say tenno heika banzai or banzai sometimes.
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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Sun May 17, 2020 10:04 pm

is there any part of Africa that Australia can get slaves from without it causing to much trouble with the libertarians back in power they will probably restart the slave trade to grow the economy (oh btw slavery is written into the Australian Constitution as a fundamental right of all [white] people)
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Sun May 17, 2020 10:08 pm

TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Yeah, I find that claim Japan "peacefully" surrendered to not just Korea, but a COMMUNIST Korea very unlikely.

Especially with the monarchy thing. The US had the sense to know that removing the Emperor was a terrible idea: in the people's eyes the Emperor's supposed to be a God and Japan was fully willing to fight to the bitter end even after the bombings and the invasions if it weren't for the Emperor finally getting his act together and saying "no, we're done."

If Japan barely bowed for one of the two industrial superpowers in the world, who had the sense of allowing the monarchy to remain, then they'd most definitely not bow to the whims of not just a former colony and the upholder of an ideology they held in even more contempt then Western Imperialism who doesn't have nuclear weapons, but also one who dissolved the monarchy (and knowing North Korea, probably dissolved the monarch too).

Don't mean to offend at all, I'm just sceptical I suppose. I'm always a bit sceptical whenever one guy decides to take a bunch of territory on a whim while not considering the ethnic and nationalist repercussions (yes, that goes for the France and Canada controlling Denmark thing too).


I have to say, being Japanese myself, the older generations, which would be the current generation in this timeline, can be very anti-Korea and China. They would be highly opposed to communism, which would destroy the zaibatsu and probably cause huge problems for the economy. IRL the Americans wanted to get rid of the zaibatsu, but ultimately did not go though with it.

They would have completely resisted a Korean invasion in the first place, but since I don't want to effect the current lore, I will say at the least, a lot of Japanese would be very angry and feel a lot of shame and dishonor. they would want to resist.

Japan IRL had a lot of propaganda going, and to understand it, you have to understand the culture. They believed according to Shintoism, one of the main religions in Japan currently, and even more widespread then, that the Emperor was divine. He is Japan. They would be willing to die in his name; that was the plan actually, if the Americans invaded the "Volunteer Fighting Corps" (Kokumin Giyū Sentōtai) would assist the Imperial Army in defense. They had trained these civilians, who were so amazingly loyal, they were willing to run at heavily armed Americans with just bamboo spears and two grenades.

It tells you the effect of the propaganda and religion at the time when for example, my grandmother, who is Japanese American, and was raised in internment where shintoism was banned, still say tenno heika banzai or banzai sometimes.

Well, nonetheless, it happened anyway in this RP, so there's really not much use arguing about how it would've never happened. This is Alternate History after all, the most unlikely things become reality in RPs like this.

So let's just move on and overthrow Korea.
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Postby Mersdon » Sun May 17, 2020 10:32 pm

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Postby Biotopia » Sun May 17, 2020 11:17 pm

Free Ward Marchers wrote:is there any part of Africa that Australia can get slaves from without it causing to much trouble with the libertarians back in power they will probably restart the slave trade to grow the economy (oh btw slavery is written into the Australian Constitution as a fundamental right of all [white] people)


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Postby Dahyan » Mon May 18, 2020 12:35 am

Tagged for interest. Any interesting regions still open for applications?
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 1:42 am

Dahyan wrote:Tagged for interest. Any interesting regions still open for applications?

Well look at the map and see for yourself
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Postby Vlasisitan » Mon May 18, 2020 3:21 am

Wow a lot of things are going on. Its so hard to keep track :eyebrow:

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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon May 18, 2020 5:27 am

Hypercapital wrote:History/IC-wise, I guess the Polarian Empire did colonize those regions. I was being vague af on what the Polarian Empire even colonized, but I guess it was those regions plus some others.

That really does mess-up History, at this point, but this entire thing's an alt-hist so I assume it's okay.

I'm keeping Angola though, if that's fine with you. I've already done a lot with it. You can keep Mozambique, though.
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Mon May 18, 2020 8:51 am

Just wanted to put this here (for fun), the full title of my monarch is: Hans Majestät Gustaf VI, Med Guds Nåde Sveriges, Götes och Vendes Konung, Storfurste av Finland, Kejsare av alla Nord, Rikets skyddare

Which roughly translates to "His Majesty Gustaf VI, By the Grace of God, King of the Swedes, the Goths/Geats, and the Wends, Grand Prince of Finland, Emperor of All Nords and Protector of the Realm."

"All the Nords" can also be defined as "All the North," which fits too.

Further adjustments may be made at a later time.
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Postby Monsone » Mon May 18, 2020 9:51 am

Quick Definitions About France In This RP

Department-A Department is an administrative entity od France that is the equivalent to a US state, an Irish county, or an oblast.

Acronyms-All acronyms are in French (i.e. SNCF, RTF, etc.) but when spelling out the whole name of the entity, it's English name is used for clarity (i.e. RTF=Radiodiffusion Television Francaise=French Radio and Television Broadcasting).

UN Status-France has the sama status in the UN in this RP as it does IRL.

The Republics-The official name for France would be The French Foruth Republic. The prior republics having been from 1792-1804, 1848-1852, 1870-1940, and 1946-.

Language of Diplomacy-During this time period IRL French was the language of diplomacy. And since nothing in this RP has suggested otherwise, I will asume French is still viewed as the language of diplomacy at the moment.

Status With The Italian Republic-Italy is a partial French puppet thanks to the 1945 Treaty of La Spieza. The treatty allows France to intervene in Italy when deemed necessary, and it also grants France special priviliges in Italy. This does not mean Italy is a mere puppet of France. Italy is it's own nation with it's own sovereign government that can make it's own descisions without French consent. However, if France deems it so, Italy may have to either repeal or add in certain legislature.

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Postby Tysoania » Mon May 18, 2020 10:51 am

Did East Germany drop out or are they just absent?

Also, because there's way too much junk in the OOC, if you're trying to get my attention here, just put USSR. I don't want to read 5 or 6 pages of this stuff, so I'm just ctrl-f searching for that word to find any questions or announcements affecting me.
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Postby Malay Raya » Mon May 18, 2020 11:00 am

Tysoania wrote:Did East Germany drop out or are they just absent?

Also, because there's way too much junk in the OOC, if you're trying to get my attention here, just put USSR. I don't want to read 5 or 6 pages of this stuff, so I'm just ctrl-f searching for that word to find any questions or announcements affecting me.

Was wondering when would the railway connecting USSR and Turkey would be finished. 1 year/2 years?

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Postby Free Ward Marchers » Mon May 18, 2020 11:14 am

I guess Madagascar really doesn't like he fact that Australia has slaves
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Postby Tysoania » Mon May 18, 2020 11:15 am

Malay Raya wrote:
Tysoania wrote:Did East Germany drop out or are they just absent?

Also, because there's way too much junk in the OOC, if you're trying to get my attention here, just put USSR. I don't want to read 5 or 6 pages of this stuff, so I'm just ctrl-f searching for that word to find any questions or announcements affecting me.

Was wondering when would the railway connecting USSR and Turkey would be finished. 1 year/2 years?

I'd say about 6 months. Batumi in the USSR is really close to the Turkish border, and assuming that it connects to the rail station at Kars (I don't know if the rail line actually existed to there in 1949, but let's say it did), then it's only 150 km of track that needs to be laid through domestic, pacified areas. I don't think there's any major bridges that need to build along the route, just a small station for border guards to check documentation.
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Postby Monsone » Mon May 18, 2020 11:28 am

Tysoania wrote:
Malay Raya wrote:Was wondering when would the railway connecting USSR and Turkey would be finished. 1 year/2 years?

I'd say about 6 months. Batumi in the USSR is really close to the Turkish border, and assuming that it connects to the rail station at Kars (I don't know if the rail line actually existed to there in 1949, but let's say it did), then it's only 150 km of track that needs to be laid through domestic, pacified areas. I don't think there's any major bridges that need to build along the route, just a small station for border guards to check documentation.


Heads up, Kars is inland. The better line would be Batumi to Rize since it basically just follows the coast instead of blasting through mountains. And in fact, you could extend the line all the way to Trabzon if need be.

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Postby Tysoania » Mon May 18, 2020 11:33 am

Monsone wrote:
Tysoania wrote:I'd say about 6 months. Batumi in the USSR is really close to the Turkish border, and assuming that it connects to the rail station at Kars (I don't know if the rail line actually existed to there in 1949, but let's say it did), then it's only 150 km of track that needs to be laid through domestic, pacified areas. I don't think there's any major bridges that need to build along the route, just a small station for border guards to check documentation.


Heads up, Kars is inland. The better line would be Batumi to Rize since it basically just follows the coast instead of blasting through mountains. And in fact, you could extend the line all the way to Trabzon if need be.

I'm not sure that Rize has a functioning rail line, though, according to this map:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Rail_transport_map_of_Turkey.png

Kars is a lot closer, and I think it would be faster for the USSR to go through the mountains than across much longer plains, thanks to the Soviet dislike of quality control in industrial projects.
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Postby Monsone » Mon May 18, 2020 11:36 am

Tysoania wrote:
Monsone wrote:
Heads up, Kars is inland. The better line would be Batumi to Rize since it basically just follows the coast instead of blasting through mountains. And in fact, you could extend the line all the way to Trabzon if need be.

I'm not sure that Rize has a functioning rail line, though, according to this map:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Rail_transport_map_of_Turkey.png

Kars is a lot closer, and I think it would be faster for the USSR to go through the mountains than across much longer plains, thanks to the Soviet dislike of quality control in industrial projects.


Good point. But it's cheaper to build along flat land. And the USSR did cut costs whenever possible. Unlike the Russian Empire which did some pretty over the top projects. And the catch-22 to Kars is that not only is it harder to build, but is also more at risk for mountain related incidents like heavy snow, land slides, weather instablity, etc.
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Postby Tysoania » Mon May 18, 2020 11:52 am

Monsone wrote:
Tysoania wrote:I'm not sure that Rize has a functioning rail line, though, according to this map:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Rail_transport_map_of_Turkey.png

Kars is a lot closer, and I think it would be faster for the USSR to go through the mountains than across much longer plains, thanks to the Soviet dislike of quality control in industrial projects.


Good point. But it's cheaper to build along flat land. And the USSR did cut costs whenever possible. Unlike the Russian Empire which did some pretty over the top projects. And the catch-22 to Kars is that not only is it harder to build, but is also more at risk for mountain related incidents like heavy snow, land slides, weather instablity, etc.

I'll wait for Turkey's decision on Batumi-Kars or Batumi-Trabzon/Samsun (the map I'm using is pretty vague as to whether the line to Trabzon was built or not). The Soviet end of either line is pretty mountainous, even along the coast, so it'll be an engineering feat irregardless.
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Postby American Pere Housh » Mon May 18, 2020 1:58 pm

Hey Monsone, have invited the Dutch to the Trading we have going?
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