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Merni
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Postby Merni » Mon May 18, 2020 8:16 pm

Motion to Censure: Aye
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Kamilistan
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Founded: Apr 21, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Kamilistan » Mon May 18, 2020 9:57 pm

Motion to Censure: Aye

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Vedastia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Vedastia » Mon May 18, 2020 10:08 pm

Motion To Censure: AYE
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Ikania
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Ikania » Tue May 19, 2020 1:10 am

Motion To Censure: Aye
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Mersdon
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Founded: Feb 28, 2018
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Mersdon » Tue May 19, 2020 2:17 am

Motion To Censure: Aye!
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Crylante
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Posts: 856
Founded: Dec 06, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Crylante » Tue May 19, 2020 3:54 am

Motion to Censure: AYE
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Nova Anglicana
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Posts: 2118
Founded: Jul 15, 2013
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Postby Nova Anglicana » Tue May 19, 2020 5:52 am

Motion to Censure: AYE
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Kingdom Of Casetaria
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Posts: 16
Founded: Apr 17, 2020
Father Knows Best State

Postby Kingdom Of Casetaria » Tue May 19, 2020 7:48 am

The king of casetaria sits on his seat Motion To Censure: nay

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Crylante
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Founded: Dec 06, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Crylante » Tue May 19, 2020 11:30 am

Kingdom of Casetaria wrote:The king of casetaria sits on his seat Motion To Censure: nay

OOC: In this roleplay you don't play a character related to your own nation, you play a character from the East Asian former Dutch colony of Banduria.

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Crylantian Federation
Social democratic confederation of Latin-Danes, Danes and Finns.
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Democratic socialist, green and left-wing populist
Economic Left/Right: -8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.59

Co-administrator of Aeia and NS Parliament

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Merni
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Posts: 1273
Founded: May 03, 2016
Democratic Socialists

Postby Merni » Tue May 19, 2020 11:47 am

Crylante wrote:
Kingdom of Casetaria wrote:The king of casetaria sits on his seat Motion To Censure: nay

OOC: In this roleplay you don't play a character related to your own nation, you play a character from the East Asian former Dutch colony of Banduria.

And you should sign up here: search.php?search_id=egosearch

OOC: wrong link?
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When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called 'the People’s Stick.' — Mikhail Bakunin (to Karl Marx)

You're supposed to be employing the arts of diplomacy, not the ruddy great thumping sledgehammers of diplomacy. — Ardchoille

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion [...] but rather by its superiority in applying organised violence. — Samuel P. Huntington (even he said that!)

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Crylante
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Founded: Dec 06, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Crylante » Tue May 19, 2020 12:32 pm

Merni wrote:
Crylante wrote:OOC: In this roleplay you don't play a character related to your own nation, you play a character from the East Asian former Dutch colony of Banduria.

And you should sign up here: search.php?search_id=egosearch

OOC: wrong link?

OOC: Yes. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=482322
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Social democratic confederation of Latin-Danes, Danes and Finns.
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Democratic socialist, green and left-wing populist
Economic Left/Right: -8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.59

Co-administrator of Aeia and NS Parliament

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Sarderia
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Posts: 1541
Founded: Jun 26, 2019
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Sarderia » Tue May 19, 2020 1:52 pm

"I am voting AYE for the motion to censure, and I am also voting aye for the motion for the communists to be send to China!!! Beijing Lu and Nanking Ju would be better off if they can suck all of the Chinese Communist Party's glitering renmimbi under the watchful eye of Xi Jinping! Why do they even bother being MP in Banduria? No wonder how these so-called communists are living an extremely lavish life everyday, because they are under PRC payroll deepening their sockets, and because all outspoken communists are the most wealthy! Communism is truly a disease upon Banduria and all who adhere to it should be sent to China, Cuba, Venezuela or straight in Kim Jong Un's dungeon!!!" Jakob van der Hegel shouted and pointed his hand towards the RPP members. He's thinking of making an obscene gesture, but he would reserve it for them once the Parliament session ended for this day.

"Oh, and I am also voicing my support to the honourable Susilo Sri MP, and I do agree with his views that communism is a lecherous cancer. I mean, just look at their faces. Do those looked like normal politicians to you? No!!! The hideous, invisible agenda they are trying to bring upon this parliament frankly must be rejected at all costs! I will tell you this, the people at my consituency in Pietersburg East staunchly rejected communists to the point they burn hammer and sickle flags and destroyed a Marx statue to pieces. No commies in Pietersburg, thank you very much! We are one of the richest consituencies in Banduria because we adhere to freedom, capitalism, and the free market - unlike the poor fellows overtaxed and oppressed in the RPP's consituencies! And that is why, precisely, we all need to vote AYE on this matter, because it is important for their dangerous ideas not to take hold upon this great state. Banduria is the greatest nation in Asia and all those communists who wanted to say otherwise, should step out from this hallowed chamber and swim back to the gulag paradise they adhered so much - get OUT!!!"

"Pardon Madame Speaker, I would like to retract the Get Out part."
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Yaruqo
Envoy
 
Posts: 210
Founded: Sep 02, 2019
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Yaruqo » Tue May 19, 2020 2:09 pm

"Madame Speaker, I believe that the honorable members of this Parliament need to remember that Banduria is a nation diverse in many ways: religious diversity, ethnic diversity, and yes, political diversity. While I disagree vehemently with the Communist ideology, and believe that our fair nation is better served as a democratic nation that values liberal and progressive values, they have as much a right to speak and present legislation in this chamber as I do. Madame Speaker, I am disappointed in the rather ecstatic performances by some of my colleagues, both those who face the possibility of censure, as well as some of those who have been advocating loudest for such a measure. We are much better than this, Madame Speaker. We are all loyal sons and daughters of Banduria, we are colleagues in this chamber, and we are all elected representatives of the people. I would urge all of my esteemed colleagues, both those within the Government benches and those within the Loyal Opposition, to remember that moving forward. That being said, I also cannot turn a blind eye to the activities of the Revolutionary People's Party within this chamber. Madame Speaker, I reluctantly vote AYE on the motion to censure."
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Martune
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Posts: 1221
Founded: Apr 22, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Martune » Tue May 19, 2020 2:23 pm

"Order. The debate period has ended on the Revised Penal Code has ended and along with it, the motion to censure. This chamber has voted to censure the following members for their varying reasons deemed necessary by this house to censure."
MR. Lu (Anti-Bandurian rhetoric and activities).

MS. Ju (Association, endorsement and compliance with anti-Bandurian rhetoric and activities).

MS. Chen (Association with anti-Bandurian rhetoric and activities).

MR. Jianguo (Association with anti-Bandurian rhetoric and activities).

"To the members listed in the Motion, seconded by five or more, and reaching a majority necessary to pass, you have been censured by this chamber."

"Debate will begin and last for 24 hours on the Uygher Genocide Condemnation Act."
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Sarderia
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Sarderia » Tue May 19, 2020 2:29 pm

"I urge all members of this honourable parliament to support the Uyghur Genocide Condemnation Act. The PRC communist government has done a great affront to human rights, depriving hundreds of thousands of their citizens of freedom, and instead resettled the citizens to the alleged "re-education" - or should I may be precise, indoctrination camps. I sympathize with the Uyghur people and their fight to maintain their custom and religion, even though I am an European and Christian by descent, and all the communist defenders present on this chamber should rethink their sense of humanity if they rejected this Act."
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People interpret the Scripture differently. Therefore, it makes sense for a group to uphold the principle, that God accepts everyone regardless of their preferrence - as long as they acceptes His grace and salvation.

Remember:
"God promises to make something good out of the storms that bring devastation to your life."
Romans 2:18
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Yes, I failed miserably in Physics, and spectacularly in Mathemathics.
(Don't @ me about those things in RP)
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Yaruqo
Envoy
 
Posts: 210
Founded: Sep 02, 2019
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Yaruqo » Tue May 19, 2020 2:36 pm

"Madame Speaker, I rise in strong support of the Uyghur Genocide Condemnation Act. What we have seen out of Xinjiang can only be described as the willful and purposeful ethnic cleansing of a cultural group. From the destruction of cemeteries, mosques, and other cultural sites to the mass, systemic incarceration and surveillance of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang, the actions of the People's Republic of China are repugnant and a gross violation of the human rights and dignity of the Uyghur people."
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Kingdom Of Casetaria
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Founded: Apr 17, 2020
Father Knows Best State

Postby Kingdom Of Casetaria » Tue May 19, 2020 4:37 pm

Crylante wrote:
Kingdom of Casetaria wrote:The king of casetaria sits on his seat Motion To Censure: nay

OOC: In this roleplay you don't play a character related to your own nation, you play a character from the East Asian former Dutch colony of Banduria.

And you should sign up here: search.php?search_id=egosearch
I did

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American Pere Housh
Minister
 
Posts: 2290
Founded: Jan 12, 2019
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby American Pere Housh » Tue May 19, 2020 6:27 pm

Sarderia wrote:"I urge all members of this honourable parliament to support the Uyghur Genocide Condemnation Act. The PRC communist government has done a great affront to human rights, depriving hundreds of thousands of their citizens of freedom, and instead resettled the citizens to the alleged "re-education" - or should I may be precise, indoctrination camps. I sympathize with the Uyghur people and their fight to maintain their custom and religion, even though I am an European and Christian by descent, and all the communist defenders present on this chamber should rethink their sense of humanity if they rejected this Act."

"Hear,Hear."
Michael Hsing, Independent, NS Parliament II

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Vedastia
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Founded: Jan 19, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Vedastia » Tue May 19, 2020 7:38 pm

Sarderia wrote:"I urge all members of this honourable parliament to support the Uyghur Genocide Condemnation Act. The PRC communist government has done a great affront to human rights, depriving hundreds of thousands of their citizens of freedom, and instead resettled the citizens to the alleged "re-education" - or should I may be precise, indoctrination camps. I sympathize with the Uyghur people and their fight to maintain their custom and religion, even though I am an European and Christian by descent, and all the communist defenders present on this chamber should rethink their sense of humanity if they rejected this Act."

"Hear, hear!

Madame Speaker, my honourable colleague's assessment is correct. Banduria is a free nation and will not tolerate any authoritarian regimes who oppress their peoples in such a manner. China's genocide of the Uyghur population is unacceptable and should be roundly condemned by all decent people everywhere. Now, I am sure that there are certain honourable members of this distinguished body who will oppose this act condemning Chinese atrocities, but they will surely learn from their mistakes at the ballot box this upcoming election when they lose their seats as a result of their cowardice and complicity in the PRC's ruthless treatment of not only its minority populations, but of all of its people."
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Ikania
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Founded: Jun 28, 2013
Father Knows Best State

Postby Ikania » Tue May 19, 2020 8:44 pm

"Madame Speaker," croaked Wim Dirksen, rising for the first time this session. "I am grateful to the honourable member, Ms. Cheung, for writing this bill. It is brief, but forceful. Indeed, the three clauses of the Uyghur Genocide Condemnation Act recognize three fundamentally important ideas: the right of self-determination, Banduria's staunch commitment to liberty, and our commitment to working with the rest of the world to bring about justice for the Uyghur people. The Chinese threat is one which menaces every free nation in the world, and it falls to those immediately capable of doing something about it, to take action. I will gladly vote for this bill, and hope it may act as a springboard for further pro-democracy policies, especially the recognition of Taiwan as a sovereign and independent state."
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American Pere Housh
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Founded: Jan 12, 2019
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby American Pere Housh » Tue May 19, 2020 9:41 pm

Ikania wrote:"Madame Speaker," croaked Wim Dirksen, rising for the first time this session. "I am grateful to the honourable member, Ms. Cheung, for writing this bill. It is brief, but forceful. Indeed, the three clauses of the Uyghur Genocide Condemnation Act recognize three fundamentally important ideas: the right of self-determination, Banduria's staunch commitment to liberty, and our commitment to working with the rest of the world to bring about justice for the Uyghur people. The Chinese threat is one which menaces every free nation in the world, and it falls to those immediately capable of doing something about it, to take action. I will gladly vote for this bill, and hope it may act as a springboard for further pro-democracy policies, especially the recognition of Taiwan as a sovereign and independent state."

"Madam Speaker, I agree with my colleague Mr. Dirksen about the Chinese threat to democracies everywhere. I view the the PRC as the biggest threat to Bandurian National Security and the world as a whole and they must be brought to heel. I say this as an Bandurian citizen of Chinese decent with family in the PRC and ROC. I call on my fellow MPs to support this bill."
Michael sat back in his seat.
Michael Hsing, Independent, NS Parliament II

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Black Lives Matter is a Marxist,Communist Organization so try to convince me that they are't. TG with your answer.

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Founded: Dec 03, 2013
Capitalizt

Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue May 19, 2020 10:09 pm

Motion To Censure: Aye
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
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a libertarian, which means i want poor babies to die or smth

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American Pere Housh
Minister
 
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Founded: Jan 12, 2019
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby American Pere Housh » Tue May 19, 2020 10:10 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Motion To Censure: Aye

OOC:It already passed.
Michael Hsing, Independent, NS Parliament II

#ThinBlueLine
#BlueLivesMatter
If you support the abolishment or defunding of our men and women in blue, shame on you.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Black Lives Matter is a Marxist,Communist Organization so try to convince me that they are't. TG with your answer.

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Founded: Dec 03, 2013
Capitalizt

Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue May 19, 2020 10:11 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Motion To Censure: Aye

OOC:It already passed.


bah, i was going to delete my post and you interrupted me >:(

Uyghur condemnation act: yes in favor, fuck the chinese, that is all
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Merni
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Posts: 1273
Founded: May 03, 2016
Democratic Socialists

Postby Merni » Tue May 19, 2020 10:36 pm

Vedastia wrote:
Sarderia wrote:"I urge all members of this honourable parliament to support the Uyghur Genocide Condemnation Act. The PRC communist government has done a great affront to human rights, depriving hundreds of thousands of their citizens of freedom, and instead resettled the citizens to the alleged "re-education" - or should I may be precise, indoctrination camps. I sympathize with the Uyghur people and their fight to maintain their custom and religion, even though I am an European and Christian by descent, and all the communist defenders present on this chamber should rethink their sense of humanity if they rejected this Act."

"Hear, hear!

Madame Speaker, my honourable colleague's assessment is correct. Banduria is a free nation and will not tolerate any authoritarian regimes who oppress their peoples in such a manner. China's genocide of the Uyghur population is unacceptable and should be roundly condemned by all decent people everywhere. Now, I am sure that there are certain honourable members of this distinguished body who will oppose this act condemning Chinese atrocities, but they will surely learn from their mistakes at the ballot box this upcoming election when they lose their seats as a result of their cowardice and complicity in the PRC's ruthless treatment of not only its minority populations, but of all of its people."

"Hear, hear! Further, Madam Speaker, we must also condemn the faux-communist PRC's expansionist actions in the South China Sea and its repression of democracy in Hong Kong.

Strangely, the honourable members of the RPP seem to be rather silent on this issue."
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