The Medieval South [OOC/Sign-Ups]

[Alaroma]

-Texan Infantry

[Sarderia]

Technically it has been founded, as a train depot, so House Boykin probably wouldn't mind a small logistics depot being bulit inside Tarrant county. But I should drop it if you disagree.

Well Boykin owns the railways, Dallas and Boykin being hubs. If you so wish to do something around our railways, I won’t stop you.

Oh, and for a disclaimer, if a resource is ‘strategically important’, Ie Coal, Iron, or helps industrialization, we’re probably involved. House Boykin is implementing an industrial strategy.

You haven't specified which railway though, and according to your app, it is based on Corpus Christi. My claim includes Harrisburg, San Antonio, Harrisburg Railroad (which runs between Galveston and San Antonio), and the mines along the Rio Grande, of course while not overlapping with Reverend Norv's claim. As a local Viscount, my character has an obligation to accept your rule, but enterprieses and business is.. private matter in this RP, maybe?

[Alaroma]

Elias Harvey West - (1849 - Present)

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Account Name: Sarderia
Occupation: 3rd Viscount Houston; Majority Shareholder of Harrisburg Railroad Company, West Kerosene and Tar Co.
Motives:
Background:[list]

Elias Harvey West is the son of Issachar West, a Texas revolutionary soldier turned mining magnate, and Catherine Brewster, daughter of a prominent Arkansas businessman. West Sr. was a citizen of the old Republic of Texas, himself building a huge fortune in arms trade, delivering supplies after supplies of rifles to the Texas revolutionaries, earning the trust and favor of Sam Houston, famous general and President of Texas. After the Texas Revolution, Issachar West transformed his corporation from merely a shipping and trading company into a mineral and energy conglomerate throughout Texas. Due to his fortunes gained by supplying weapons throughout the Revolution, he earned a large amount of wealth and political power among the Texan aristocrats in that time. West used the connections and the wealth to buy vast tracts of land in the Texas coast, around Galveston, Houston, and Texas city, and sponsored the migration of European indentured workers from New York and Pennsylvania to the south.

Indeed, West's activities are one of the factors that enabled Texas to estabilish itself as a prominent regional power, and affirming its independence from Mexico. Sam Houston's regime was very American-friendly; there was basically no distinction between Texas citizens and United States citizens in the decades following the Rrevolution. West capitalized greatly from this. He was loath to use African slaves to work on his ranches, considering the cost and ranching itself doesn't need mass manpower like the Southern plantations did. Instead, West turned to sponsor movement of New Englanders and Europeans to the South. Mass immigrations such as these helped to distinguish Texan society from Mexico as more and more English-speaking immigrants began to move. By 1840, the West family are the owner of majority the land in Galveston and Houston. However, this fortune did not come without a cost.

Frequent raids from Comanche native Americans, Mexican bandits and incursions from the Mexican Army to the contested territory of Nuevo Mexico infuriated Sam Houston's presidency so much that the Texas aristocrats are often forced to donate their wealth and manpower to combat these problems. Issachar West was no exception; he often led parties to fend off Texan outposts along the Rio Grande, with significant losses of his own workers. In return, however, West asked greatly from the Texan administrators; he gained mining concessions of the lands bordering New Mexico and the Rio Grande Valley. When Texas was admitted into the United States in 1845, West's business wasted no time in making use of the lands he had bought from the State of Texas. He bulit mines, towns, and outposts along the Rio Grande and El Paso, bought hundreds of slaves to work in the mines, as well as overseers; immigrants from other parts of the United States, lured by the promise of work, home, and dollars.

It was at this time that West met a wealthy Arkansas planter and businessmen, Saul Brewster. The two got along quite well, and quickly became business partners. West invested in Brewster's plantations and business ventures such as railroads, ranches, and cutting timber in the Ozarks. Vice versa, Brewster financed West's ventures in opening more mines, clearing more land for livestock ranches, and building railroads. The partnership went so far as for them to become family; West married Brester's daughter Catherine on 1846. Unfortunately, their marriage is very cold; due to the fact that Catherine suffered two miscarriages during the first two years of their marriage, which deeply broke her feelings. West was frequently away for business reasons, either to manage his properties or mines, only meeting his wife once or twice a year in

Issachar West is in fact the first owner of railroads in Texas, with the construction of the Harrisburg Railroad from Galveston to San Antonio. In 1847, West purchased from the Harrisburg Town Company the unused land previously allocated to the failed Harrisburg and Brazos Railroad. He financed the construction in a joint partnership with Saul Brewster. The plan was to form a strategic relationship with Galveston, bypassing Houston for freight from the Brazos River valley. Eventually West succeeded in chartering the company 1850, and organizing it on that year. The birth of their only son Elias in 1849, coupled with the finished railroad construction further cemented the mariage of Issachar and Catherine, as it was only a political marriage from the start. The two did not love each other, and only agreed to do their duties because of the contract between West and Brewster families.

WIP

Titles/Positions: #rd Viscount of Houston
Holdings: City of Galveston, City of San Antonio (Bexar County), Town of Harrisburg, Personal properties in and Galveston (Ashton Villa, Marschner Building), Harrisburg Railroad (Buffalo Bayou, Brazos, and Colorado Railway), Oil and Kerosene drilling wells in Texas City and Galveston, Mines in Hudspeth, Brewster, Karnes, Presidio, and Llano Counties, plantations around San Antonio
Politics:
Faith: Methodist Episcopal Church USA

Uh, a few things. For one, I said specifically in Texas, Boykin owns the railroads. I mean as a straight up monopoly to be clear. I also pointed Boykin and his own partners started the first railroads in Texas.

[Alaroma]

Well Boykin owns the railways, Dallas and Boykin being hubs. If you so wish to do something around our railways, I won’t stop you.

Oh, and for a disclaimer, if a resource is ‘strategically important’, Ie Coal, Iron, or helps industrialization, we’re probably involved. House Boykin is implementing an industrial strategy.

You haven't specified which railway though, and according to your app, it is based on Corpus Christi. My claim includes Harrisburg, San Antonio, Harrisburg Railroad (which runs between Galveston and San Antonio), and the mines along the Rio Grande, of course while not overlapping with Reverend Norv's claim. As a local Viscount, my character has an obligation to accept your rule, but enterprieses and business is.. private matter in this RP, maybe?

For one, it’s based in yes, but the railroad are specifically meant to be monopoly like. Why? To exert power. Also as far as the mines, it’s part of the industrialization. I’m specifically talking about strategic resources to that development. Though for the most part, your business is yours. Just saying Texas is industrializing, and the state is playing a Role.

[Sarderia]

You haven't specified which railway though, and according to your app, it is based on Corpus Christi. My claim includes Harrisburg, San Antonio, Harrisburg Railroad (which runs between Galveston and San Antonio), and the mines along the Rio Grande, of course while not overlapping with Reverend Norv's claim. As a local Viscount, my character has an obligation to accept your rule, but enterprieses and business is.. private matter in this RP, maybe?

For one, it’s based in yes, but the railroad are specifically meant to be monopoly like. Why? To exert power. Also as far as the mines, it’s part of the industrialization. I’m specifically talking about strategic resources to that development. Though for the most part, your business is yours. Just saying Texas is industrializing, and the state is playing a Role.

That's just unrealistic man, the Harrisburg railroad was bulit to connect Galveston (main port of Texas) to San Antonio and then continues down south through El Paso. As both of them (San Antonio and Galveston) is under my claim it would not make sense for the West company to cede it. Also, Houston developed as a major city thanks to the railroads connecting Texas inland and New Orleans with the port of Galveston and San Antonio. It's unrealistic to say that the company would surrender a part of that fortune to the state.

[Vienna Eliot]

The IC has been posted.

Regarding the Texas/railroad dispute, I suggest it be disputed ICly. The conflict may very well have just arisen — information travels slowly these days.

I'd also like to add that there are no strict claims, here. You might be Duke or Prince or King, but power is fickle and ownership is dependent on enforcing it. If somebody shows up with a bigger army, your title might very well be all you have.

[Flarbinia]

Tag.

[Alaroma]

For one, it’s based in yes, but the railroad are specifically meant to be monopoly like. Why? To exert power. Also as far as the mines, it’s part of the industrialization. I’m specifically talking about strategic resources to that development. Though for the most part, your business is yours. Just saying Texas is industrializing, and the state is playing a Role.

That's just unrealistic man, the Harrisburg railroad was bulit to connect Galveston (main port of Texas) to San Antonio (then the capital). As both of them is under my claim it would not make sense for the West company to cede it.

Well, you didn’t own either city during that time period. It was under the USA during the time. Secondly, dude, sorry, can’t let you undermine the Railroads monopoly. It’s a major source of Boykinite power. I should also note when I said Corpus Christi, I really meant Galveston. And I also meant to claim Galveston, but the two got mixed up in my mind. That said, railroads are however not up for misinterpretation. There’s lots of other business to get involved in. Railroads ain’t one.

[Sarderia]

That's just unrealistic man, the Harrisburg railroad was bulit to connect Galveston (main port of Texas) to San Antonio (then the capital). As both of them is under my claim it would not make sense for the West company to cede it.

Well, you didn’t own either city during that time period. It was under the USA during the time. Secondly, dude, sorry, can’t let you undermine the Railroads monopoly. It’s a major source of Boykinite power. I should also note when I said Corpus Christi, I really meant Galveston. And I also meant to claim Galveston, but the two got mixed up in my mind. That said, railroads are however not up for misinterpretation. There’s lots of other business to get involved in. Railroads ain’t one.

As the OP said it should be resolved ICly, no use clogging up the OOC forum. So let me finish my app and then we could start the redneck Game of Thrones this is going to be the most interesting RP I'm involved now

[Alaroma]

The IC has been posted.

Regarding the Texas/railroad dispute, I suggest it be disputed ICly. The conflict may very well have just arisen — information travels slowly these days.

I'd also like to add that there are no strict claims, here. You might be Duke or Prince or King, but power is fickle and ownership is dependent on enforcing it. If somebody shows up with a bigger army, your title might very well be all you have.

I’m...... not, not to beat a dead horse, sure how him claiming he built the first the railroads when I said in my app I did (which has been accepted) is up for debate. That and how I explicitly say railroads are what helped my house achieve their status, and imply it’s monopolic. Those two cents in, I will take all complaints to the IC.

[Sarderia]

The IC has been posted.

Regarding the Texas/railroad dispute, I suggest it be disputed ICly. The conflict may very well have just arisen — information travels slowly these days.

I'd also like to add that there are no strict claims, here. You might be Duke or Prince or King, but power is fickle and ownership is dependent on enforcing it. If somebody shows up with a bigger army, your title might very well be all you have.

I’m...... not, not to beat a dead horse, sure how him claiming he built the first the railroads when I said in my app I did (which has been accepted) is up for debate. That and how I explicitly say railroads are what helped my house achieve their status, and imply it’s monopolic. Those two cents in, I will take all complaints to the IC.

Okay then, you can have all the railroads in Texas as a monopoly.

[Alaroma]

I’m...... not, not to beat a dead horse, sure how him claiming he built the first the railroads when I said in my app I did (which has been accepted) is up for debate. That and how I explicitly say railroads are what helped my house achieve their status, and imply it’s monopolic. Those two cents in, I will take all complaints to the IC.

Okay then, you can have all the railroads in Texas as a monopoly.

Thank you.

That out of the way, care to discuss subsidies for Galveston? The port is important to the Kingdom as Im sure you know, and the expansion of its facilities was a priority of the last monarch.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

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-Texan Infantry

Those rifles are about 20 years too early, I'm afraid. In 1877, wars were still fought in line formation.

[Lux Pulchrae]

Benicio "Benny" Thomas de Tejada - (1839 - Present)

Account Name: Lux Pulchrae
Occupation: Whatever job needs working/occasional bounty hunter
Motives: Money and eventually make it east and go back to his family's homeland
Background:

Born in 1839 to a family of New Mexican lowly ranchers out west. Around the age of 19, while fetching provisions in the nearby town, Benny returned to see the ranch burnt, cattle stolen and his family killed by an Apache raid. Burying his family, he attempted to rebuild the ranch shortly after, but to no avail. Hearing tales throughout the years of his father's family, the Tejadas, who were a wealthy merchant and expeditionary family in their home country of Lux Pulchrae, Benny kept those tales in his heart and mind in the decades following his family's massacre, deeply wanting to return to home he never knew.

Over the years he's worked many jobs and killed many men, luckily he avoided the war, having no real care for the south and rarely seeing a slave. As the southern empire rose, he did as he always had, working odd jobs and bringing in any bounty that was offered to him.

A stereotypical silent type with no patient for nonsense and no love for Indians either, Benny's had enough of America and is fixing to get himself to the East Coast and the first ship back to Europe.

Titles/Positions: other than "Benny", none
Holdings: a horse named Rodrigo, a revolver, a bolt rifle.
Politics: none
Faith: Roman Catholic, if there's a church nearby

A legal, or less than legal, battle for railroad rights would be interesting

[Alaroma]

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-Texan Infantry

Those rifles are about 20 years too early, I'm afraid. In 1877, wars were still fought in line formation.

Well, not exactly. The Franco-Prussian war proved that. That aside, I’m not talking about the rifles, but the uniforms. Our rifle is some breechloader I imagine.

[Sarderia]

Okay then, you can have all the railroads in Texas as a monopoly.

Thank you.

That out of the way, care to discuss subsidies for Galveston? The port is important to the Kingdom as Im sure you know, and the expansion of its facilities was a priority of the last monarch.

I would be more concerned about the absolutism that the King implements towards national economy. I plan for my character to be liberal and laissez-faire, so he would oppose the King's state monopoly economic view. However, the West company controlled both the beginning and the end of Harrisburg railway (Galveston-San Antonio). While the Texas Rangers control El Paso, the West company has mining operations around the area as well. So for the monarchy to upgrade the port and the mines in Southern Texas we should reach a compromise first.

[Alaroma]

Thank you.

That out of the way, care to discuss subsidies for Galveston? The port is important to the Kingdom as Im sure you know, and the expansion of its facilities was a priority of the last monarch.

I would be more concerned about the absolutism that the King implements towards national economy. I plan for my character to be liberal and laissez-faire, so he would oppose the King's state monopoly economic view. However, the West company controlled both the beginning and the end of Harrisburg railway (Galveston-San Antonio). While the Texas Rangers control El Paso, the West company has mining operations around the area as well. So for the monarchy to upgrade the port and the mines in Southern Texas we should reach a compromise first.

Well, I have multiple answers to that. For one, the King is very concerned about what he terms as ‘The Common Good’, and he views these projects as reaching that goal.

In regards to Railroads, I’m fairly steadfast. It’s a matter of power and public works, so I’m willing to be flexible in other areas as long as we’re clear the railroads need to remain under a standard authority.

As far as what you do with your mines, I don’t care massively, especially if it’s not a strategic resource. What you’re wanting to hear there, please explain.

As far as the shipyards go, this is simple public works policy. Like I’ll just buy land in the city he have federally owned ports if you want. Capacity needs to be expanded either way.

For goods, for exports, for immigrants, etc. in other words, I’m discussing how the federal government hands out funds.

[Alaroma]

Also umm, is anyone else at the funeral? Sounds like we should have been.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Also umm, is anyone else at the funeral? Sounds like we should have been.

The first funeral, of course. Perhaps my character was at the second funeral, but only because the Imperial Guard probably had to guard the tomb of the emperor during mourning.

[Lux Pulchrae]

Also umm, is anyone else at the funeral? Sounds like we should have been.

Neither of my characters have any reason to attend. That is assuming the second one is accepted.

[The United Empire of Exucular]

Also umm, is anyone else at the funeral? Sounds like we should have been.

Would be a good chance to interact with one another before we’re all separated by thousands of miles.

[Alaroma]

Also umm, is anyone else at the funeral? Sounds like we should have been.

Would be a good chance to interact with one another before we’re all separated by thousands of miles.

Kinda what I was thinking

[Sadakoyama]

How about a revolutionary anarchist movement (like the Paris Commune) occupying the ruins of Atlanta and the surrounding farms and plantations? Full of displaced persons, refugees, war orphans and widows, deserters from both sides, escaped slaves, northern opportunists, abolitionists, etc?

[Lux Pulchrae]

Would be a good chance to interact with one another before we’re all separated by thousands of miles.

Kinda what I was thinking

You know what, I might join y'all on that. Duchamp hated the emperor and he would like nothing more than to see Vanderbilt's corpse lay in state with his own eyes.

[Reverend Norv]

My concern is merely that, in my app, I indicated that the area west of the Pecos was sufficiently lawless as to be de facto exclusively under the control of the Rangers - though de jure within the Kingdom of Texas. I have no objection to Houston, Galveston, etc. But the presence of effective nobility in the Transpecos would rather undermine the whole picture of the area that I presented in my application: a haven of anarchic, violent, but nevertheless profound liberty.

There ain’t nothing de Jure about it, the Rangers are an arm of the Texan state. If Austin commands, the Rangers will obey. If it happens that the state enforces it’s will via the Rangers, that’s a different matter. There isn’t however a distinguishing between the two.

No — my understanding was that the Rangers were something of a peacekeeping force, whereas the character Sarderia is interested in would be nobility. The two could coexist; whether or not they are willing to is another issue.

Regardless, I'll be sure to ask Sarderia to keep in mind Gardner and the Texas Rangers when it comes to determining how much power the character has — he should also remember that the Duke would be subordinate to (though not necessarily submissive to) the King of Texas.

El Paso and the Rio Grande valley were mining towns. I only claim the mines and the small population that maintains it, Texas Rangers can have the rest.

Edit: Small mining towns are often prone to bandits, so it should be sufficiently lawless for the Texas Rangers to estabilish a large presence there. I think the Rangers could act as the military/police force protecting the mining company. You can control the towns and the population while I manage the mining activities.

Clearly, although it was already accepted, there remains too much disagreement over my app. I will withdraw. Best of luck to you all.