Aftermath (OOC|Dead)

[HypErcApitAl]

Since they're animals, they require rest, food, and water like people. Same 'speed' as walking, but without the blisters and breaking shoes.

They won't be moving as fast as cars, but a horse can certainly cover more ground than a human on a daily basis especially with gear. Good luck to anybody trying to ruck more than about twenty miles in a day. A horse would be able to do that with relative ease despite the need for the same resources.

Caravans could easily rest, but mainly use feet or a certain BoB (Beast of Burden), and also, I didn't know horses could live and breathe in the West Coast. All that sand and heat there, and y'know, radiation and its effects/affects on the environment.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

too many variables; too lazy to calculate; rather take the disadvantage.

[HypErcApitAl]

too many variables; too lazy to calculate; rather take the disadvantage.

kthx

[Kassaran]

They won't be moving as fast as cars, but a horse can certainly cover more ground than a human on a daily basis especially with gear. Good luck to anybody trying to ruck more than about twenty miles in a day. A horse would be able to do that with relative ease despite the need for the same resources.

Caravans could easily rest, but mainly use feet or a certain BoB (Beast of Burden), and also, I didn't know horses could live and breathe in the West Coast. All that sand and heat there, and y'know, radiation and its effects/affects on the environment.

If horses couldn't, men certain as hell couldn't or wouldn't.

It's not as if the Arabian Peninsula hasn't been using them for thousands of years or anything.

EDIT: OP says nothing about heat and radiation plaguing the west coast, just the SW which is arguably nowhere close to being the heart of the west coast. Horses and Cattle are huge in California, Oregon, and Washington, given that they're a massive source of nutrition. Nevermind the fact that Horses, Cattle, Sheep, and other herd animals would have an incredible time if left to their own devices in the current PNW given the massive reduction in predators. no doubt, wolves would start to come back, but they'd be relegated to the same state as most Black Bears are, running from the first sign of humans, meese, or other large herbivores. I'd be more worried about whatever mutants make their way westward from worse off areas.

[HypErcApitAl]

Caravans could easily rest, but mainly use feet or a certain BoB (Beast of Burden), and also, I didn't know horses could live and breathe in the West Coast. All that sand and heat there, and y'know, radiation and its effects/affects on the environment.

If horses couldn't, men certain as hell couldn't or wouldn't.

It's not as if the Arabian Peninsula hasn't been using them for thousands of years or anything.

EDIT: OP says nothing about heat and radiation plaguing the west coast, just the SW which is arguably nowhere close to being the heart of the west coast. Horses and Cattle are huge in California, Oregon, and Washington, given that they're a massive source of nutrition. Nevermind the fact that Horses, Cattle, Sheep, and other herd animals would have an incredible time if left to their own devices in the current PNW given the massive reduction in predators. no doubt, wolves would start to come back, but they'd be relegated to the same state as most Black Bears are, running from the first sign of humans, meese, or other large herbivores. I'd be more worried about whatever mutants make their way westward from worse off areas.

Thanks. And he didn't, but I know that Nevada and the region that it's in is mostly Desert, and also radiation would extend everywhere. I didn't just mean the West Coast, I meant the West Coast in the context of horses.

[HypErcApitAl]

If horses couldn't, men certain as hell couldn't or wouldn't.

It's not as if the Arabian Peninsula hasn't been using them for thousands of years or anything.

EDIT: OP says nothing about heat and radiation plaguing the west coast, just the SW which is arguably nowhere close to being the heart of the west coast. Horses and Cattle are huge in California, Oregon, and Washington, given that they're a massive source of nutrition. Nevermind the fact that Horses, Cattle, Sheep, and other herd animals would have an incredible time if left to their own devices in the current PNW given the massive reduction in predators. no doubt, wolves would start to come back, but they'd be relegated to the same state as most Black Bears are, running from the first sign of humans, meese, or other large herbivores. I'd be more worried about whatever mutants make their way westward from worse off areas.

Thanks. And he didn't, but I know that Nevada and the region that it's in is mostly Desert, and also radiation would extend everywhere. I didn't just mean the West Coast, I meant the West Coast in the context of horses.

Camels come to mind, when I think Mideast or Desert areas.

[Mizrad]

They won't be moving as fast as cars, but a horse can certainly cover more ground than a human on a daily basis especially with gear. Good luck to anybody trying to ruck more than about twenty miles in a day. A horse would be able to do that with relative ease despite the need for the same resources.

Going at about 3 miles per hour for something like eight hours for 24 miles in a day Is relatively easy when you're used to it. So long as it's roughly less than a quarter your own bodyweight, it's fine and normal for a human. The problem is that we don't have very fit people any more who are used to that task.

This might be something to look at though.

I'd say this could be an acceptable means of implementing fast horse travel. It'd require staging the rest stations, getting the required travel permits, and securing some basic security, but otherwise, we could probably implement stagecoaches with enough resources. It's what I was planning on doing as a trading company, given that it'd be infinitely more useful to me to be able to freely and quickly travel through territories. Probably pay tribute to those in charge with making the station a tariff/toll-free shop and outlet for paper-goods, but stamp's will cost you if you're sending a message.

To clarify a few things, yes, a human certainly could do that. I'm just saying a horse would be faster. Maybe not by that much, but at least by a few more miles in a day without as much fatigue on the humans.

That and rucking kinda sucks.

[Formerland]

Are Camels a thing now? It’s possible some could have escaped and propagated , there’s also more of a reason to breed them than in the colonial days.

[Anowa]

Are Camels a thing now? It’s possible some could have escaped and propagated , there’s also more of a reason to breed them than in the colonial days.

Within reason.

Keep aware that if you're going to roll down a Zoo breakout line of thinking, wonder where exactly the Tiger exhibits in the US are.

[Kassaran]

Are Camels a thing now? It’s possible some could have escaped and propagated , there’s also more of a reason to breed them than in the colonial days.

Within reason.

Keep aware that if you're going to roll down a Zoo breakout line of thinking, wonder where exactly the Tiger exhibits in the US are.

Probably wherever millionaire redneck hillbillies with their two husbands managed to go when it all came falling apart.

[Anowa]

Within reason.

Keep aware that if you're going to roll down a Zoo breakout line of thinking, wonder where exactly the Tiger exhibits in the US are.

Probably wherever millionaire redneck hillbillies with their two husbands managed to go when it all came falling apart.

Cincinnati, Memphis, Bronx, Omaha, Philadelphia, Oklahoma City, and Denver to name a few.

[HypErcApitAl]

Probably wherever millionaire redneck hillbillies with their two husbands managed to go when it all came falling apart.

Cincinnati, Memphis, Bronx, Omaha, Philadelphia, Oklahoma City, and Denver to name a few.

That's kinda OP, ngl. I wanna keep it simple.

[Anowa]

Cincinnati, Memphis, Bronx, Omaha, Philadelphia, Oklahoma City, and Denver to name a few.

That's kinda OP, ngl. I wanna keep it simple.

This is simple.

If a Camel can break out of a zoo, most assuredly apex predators can as well. Bactrian camels have exhibits in Denver, Detroit, Boston (The same zoo includes a big cat exhibit), and Apple Valley Minnesota. Again, just a sample.

[Formerland]

That's kinda OP, ngl. I wanna keep it simple.

This is simple.

If a Camel can break out of a zoo, most assuredly apex predators can as well. Bactrian camels have exhibits in Denver, Detroit, Boston (The same zoo includes a big cat exhibit), and Apple Valley Minnesota. Again, just a sample.

I was thinking more of a farm-break. unlike a lot of big predators some animals ( camels and ostriches namely) are quite at home in north america and are farmed fairly often. For example say, elephants and hippos would have a very hard time surviving even if they escaped, as with lions and tigers ( excluding mountain lions of course which arent true lions). But yeah i was thinking more escaping from farmers or even being kept by farmers and bred more often. while ostriches would rapidly dwindle in value for farming and may be slaughtered in large numbers, camels have a bit more practical value.

[Anowa]

This is simple.

If a Camel can break out of a zoo, most assuredly apex predators can as well. Bactrian camels have exhibits in Denver, Detroit, Boston (The same zoo includes a big cat exhibit), and Apple Valley Minnesota. Again, just a sample.

I was thinking more of a farm-break. unlike a lot of big predators some animals ( camels and ostriches namely) are quite at home in north america and are farmed fairly often. For example say, elephants and hippos would have a very hard time surviving even if they escaped, as with lions and tigers ( excluding mountain lions of course which arent true lions). But yeah i was thinking more escaping from farmers or even being kept by farmers and bred more often. while ostriches would rapidly dwindle in value for farming and may be slaughtered in large numbers, camels have a bit more practical value.

I'd like to note that Jaguar historically occupied the Mexican-American border, and Tigers historicaly are capable of occupying lands incredibly similar to the US Midwest, Rockies, and Pacific Northwest, with a subspecies notable for having the prefix of Siberian. Snow Leopard pops in the US wouldn't be able to out muscle Pumas, though Jaguars would likely stray not much further than Texas. Lynx would likely be stuck in the Northern states. Asian Elephants also have a notable overlap of territory with tigers, with Tennessee having a quite renown Elephant Sanctuary (granted this includes some human intervention). Hippos would be pretty fucked outside of the Gulf coast where it's pretty swampy.

[Formerland]

I was thinking more of a farm-break. unlike a lot of big predators some animals ( camels and ostriches namely) are quite at home in north america and are farmed fairly often. For example say, elephants and hippos would have a very hard time surviving even if they escaped, as with lions and tigers ( excluding mountain lions of course which arent true lions). But yeah i was thinking more escaping from farmers or even being kept by farmers and bred more often. while ostriches would rapidly dwindle in value for farming and may be slaughtered in large numbers, camels have a bit more practical value.

I'd like to note that Jaguar historically occupied the Mexican-American border, and Tigers historicaly are capable of occupying lands incredibly similar to the US Midwest, Rockies, and Pacific Northwest, with a subspecies notable for having the prefix of Siberian. Snow Leopard pops in the US wouldn't be able to out muscle Pumas, though Jaguars would likely stray not much further than Texas. Lynx would likely be stuck in the Northern states. Asian Elephants also have a notable overlap of territory with tigers, with Tennessee having a quite renown Elephant Sanctuary (granted this includes some human intervention). Hippos would be pretty fucked outside of the Gulf coast where it's pretty swampy.

Another factor influencing the distribution of large predators is that humans actively want them dead and will often go out of their way to kill them when possible so that their livestock and wild game is more secure. Hippos, perhaps due to territoriality in response to humans may unfortunately have similar fates. Elephants IDK. I was not aware there were parts of North America they could survive well in. Lynx are small predators and already present in many areas, so they may be more ignored than say an encroaching tiger. Then again many humans are not prepared to do that. Do most zoos have breeding pops of these species?

[Anowa]

I'd like to note that Jaguar historically occupied the Mexican-American border, and Tigers historicaly are capable of occupying lands incredibly similar to the US Midwest, Rockies, and Pacific Northwest, with a subspecies notable for having the prefix of Siberian. Snow Leopard pops in the US wouldn't be able to out muscle Pumas, though Jaguars would likely stray not much further than Texas. Lynx would likely be stuck in the Northern states. Asian Elephants also have a notable overlap of territory with tigers, with Tennessee having a quite renown Elephant Sanctuary (granted this includes some human intervention). Hippos would be pretty fucked outside of the Gulf coast where it's pretty swampy.

Another factor influencing the distribution of large predators is that humans actively want them dead and will often go out of their way to kill them when possible so that their livestock and wild game is more secure. Hippos, perhaps due to territoriality in response to humans may unfortunately have similar fates. Elephants IDK. I was not aware there were parts of North America they could survive well in. Lynx are small predators and already present in many areas, so they may be more ignored than say an encroaching tiger. Then again many humans are not prepared to do that. Do most zoos have breeding pops of these species?

Most zoos, no. Enough of them, yes.

[HypErcApitAl]

I feel like this zoo thing'll break the game/rp. Maybe just birds, and expanding on Falconeers.

[Anowa]

I feel like this zoo thing'll break the game/rp. Maybe just birds, and expanding on Falconeers.

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Animals breaking out of Zoos is gonna break the RP... And not whatever Vacif happened to uncover.

Yeah, okay.

[HypErcApitAl]

It makes it overpowered if countries add tigers and all types of feral animals to their armedforces and started siccing them onto their enemies.

Yes, birds can also be used for that purpose aswell, but in my case/context, I'd use it for communications/diplomacy and aerial supremacy. I know one country (the Aerial Museum dudes) focus on Air Supremacy, and they're kinda limited, but it's still unbalanced.

[Anowa]

It makes it overpowered if countries add tigers and all types of feral animals to their armedforces and started siccing them onto their enemies.

Yes, birds can also be used for that purpose aswell, but in my case/context, I'd use it for communications/diplomacy and aerial supremacy. I know one country (the Aerial Museum dudes) focus on Air Supremacy, and they're kinda limited, but it's still unbalanced.

I hope you're not implying that you can reliably domesticate self admittedly feral animals.

[HypErcApitAl]

It makes it overpowered if countries add tigers and all types of feral animals to their armedforces and started siccing them onto their enemies.

Yes, birds can also be used for that purpose aswell, but in my case/context, I'd use it for communications/diplomacy and aerial supremacy. I know one country (the Aerial Museum dudes) focus on Air Supremacy, and they're kinda limited, but it's still unbalanced.

I hope you're not implying that you can reliably domesticate self admittedly feral animals.

Obviously not lynxes, or lions, or tigers, and I wouldn't have a need/desire to. We might have to raise this question up once tech/warfare develops a bit more, there's so many technological gaps.

[Anowa]

I hope you're not implying that you can reliably domesticate self admittedly feral animals.

Obviously not lynxes, or lions, or tigers, and I wouldn't have a need/desire to. We might have to raise this question up once tech/warfare develops a bit more, there's so many technological gaps.

Alright, now you've lost me.

[Formerland]

I don't think you need a zoo for scout falcons or messenger pigeons or anything, nor do I think those things are game breaking. Also there's a reason people very rarely captured and released feral animals during war ( because it's a bad idea and costs a lot more than say, just getting better weapons and armor) . Falconers have existed irl for ages so Idk how that could be even considered game breaking.

In the words of me right now; " A falcon is a poor mans recon balloon, used by rich people".

[Mizrad]

Going forward, how often will time skips be occurring?