1906: Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC-CLOSED]

[Plzen]

Short IC post up - I'm sorry it's so bare-bones, but other responsibilities are pressing down on me and I simply can't put together a proper one right now.

It's a very brief foray into the national character of Scandinavia. Nationalism comes in many forms - some people take pride in their glorious history, some in their culture or myths, yet others in the prosperity their nation provides them.

Sure, Scandinavia has all that too, and there are some strongly-opinionated nationalists marching about. But when the quiet, content moderates, the people who would never describe themselves as nationalists, when they feel pride in their nation this is one of the two key things that they feel pride for -- its scientific achievements and technological sophistication.

[Tracian Empire]

Full Nation Name : United States of East Africa

• Your population numbers wouldn't work. From what sources I could find on the internet, Mozambique had a population of 4.42 million by 1900, Tasmania of 7 million by 1891, and Kenya 1.7 million by 1900. I am not sure about the population of the specific part of India that you are claiming, but it would certainly not be enough to explain the rest. Now, we are not inherently adverse to modified population numbers, as proven by some one of the apps that were accepted, but any changes need to be realistic and properly motivated. I do not think that any possible explanation that you could come up with could come any close to justifying such a harrowing difference in population. The USEA would be nearly as large as the United States of the same era, which is completely unfeasible.
• The ethnic composition also wouldn't work. Regardless of your actual population, since most of the inland territory would have been only accessible to you at some point during the last century, I do believe that having an European majority would be impossible. You are also not mentioning the half-European half-native population that would likely be sizeable, and qualifying the Indian population of your colony to other is a bit confusing. I am more than alright with there being a higher percentage of European settlers than in real life, but I don't think that they would have the majority.
• I would like a bit of an explanation in regards to how your nation ended with this specific organization for its government. There is no United States in this world, so no way to take inspiration from there.
• If the inland territory is primitive, then your development isn't just modern - the description of the development is good, but mention the primitive areas in the Development field too.
• At its core the army description is acceptable, but it is impacted by the population issue too - the idea that the inland territory is underpopulated and that the coastal area has nearly 70 million people is even more unrealistic than it being spread out.
• I would also like the concept of the USEA having colonies to be get a very good explanation, because at this point it seems unlikely. The map is blank for the time being, but we would ICly still have other European nations as colonial powers, and one of the main divergences of this world is the technological parity with the Europeans of Asian nations. So a former British colony in East Africa developing so much as to gain a naval force that would be able to challenge the European and Asian colonial powers seems unlikely to me.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

I have had a bit of a delay, but other than government explanation, and religion the application is pretty much finished.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

I'm trying to colour in a map detailing what I desire the territory of my British Empire to be, and gotta say I'm SO pissed that The Iron Order of Adamia is coloured as dark red right now.

[Sao Nova Europa]

I'm trying to colour in a map detailing what I desire the territory of my British Empire to be, and gotta say I'm SO pissed that The Iron Order of Adamia is coloured as dark red right now.

BTW, the map in the first page isn't 100% fully updated with regards to South America. I have updated my claims (see spoiler below). Just posting it in case you want a British colony somewhere in South America and you are not sure where it should be.

[Plzen]

I'm trying to colour in a map detailing what I desire the territory of my British Empire to be, and gotta say I'm SO pissed that The Iron Order of Adamia is coloured as dark red right now.

Do make sure to admire the interesting colours of the Scottish North Sea islands on the map...

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

I'm trying to colour in a map detailing what I desire the territory of my British Empire to be, and gotta say I'm SO pissed that The Iron Order of Adamia is coloured as dark red right now.

Do make sure to admire the interesting colours of the Scottish North Sea islands on the map...

Son of a Protestant Whore

That's a Hellsing Abridged reference, please don't get triggered

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Please don't shut me down yet, I'm willing to give explanations concerning the territories I've picked

Reservation

Nation Name: The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland, Normandy and Brittany/Das Vereinigte Königreich von Großbritannien, Irland, Normandie und Bretagne
Territory: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... Empire.png
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

[Tracian Empire]

Please don't shut me down yet, I'm willing to give explanations concerning the territories I've picked

Reservation

Nation Name: The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland, Normandy and Brittany/Das Vereinigte Königreich von Großbritannien, Irland, Normandie und Bretagne
Territory: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... Empire.png
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

Well, the map has sadly not been updated - there is a reservation in place for those colonies in East Africa, that also contains the southwestern edge of Australia.

At the same time, I have to ask you about the importance of Normandy and Britannia for the concept - seeing as we are also trying to get a French player, Britain owning those might make France a less attractive option for prospective players, and as such, we generally do not allow it.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Please don't shut me down yet, I'm willing to give explanations concerning the territories I've picked

Reservation

Nation Name: The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland, Normandy and Brittany/Das Vereinigte Königreich von Großbritannien, Irland, Normandie und Bretagne
Territory: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... Empire.png
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

Well, the map has sadly not been updated - there is a reservation in place for those colonies in East Africa, that also contains the southwestern edge of Australia.

At the same time, I have to ask you about the importance of Normandy and Britannia for the concept - seeing as we are also trying to get a French player, Britain owning those might make France a less attractive option for prospective players, and as such, we generally do not allow it.

Well the idea for Normandy and Brittany is that, after William the Conquerer fails to conquer, Godwin UNO reverses and invades the two in revenge. But in the Long term? Not really important no, I can drop them.

And rip for the East Africa part then: I’ll have to compensate with other stuff.

Exactly how much of that territory I chose has been taken?

[Plzen]

Well the idea for Normandy and Brittany is that, after William the Conquerer fails to conquer, Godwin UNO reverses and invades the two in revenge. But in the Long term? Not really important no, I can drop them.

And rip for the East Africa part then: I’ll have to compensate with other stuff.

If your intent is towards a Germanic Britain, I think it's probably best to just forget the Norman Invasion entirely - it didn't happen, or was a much smaller event than it was IRL, something like that. Play up the Anglo-Saxon migrations, the Danelaw, the North Sea Empire, and the Central European royal marriages much more.

[Tracian Empire]

Well, the map has sadly not been updated - there is a reservation in place for those colonies in East Africa, that also contains the southwestern edge of Australia.

At the same time, I have to ask you about the importance of Normandy and Britannia for the concept - seeing as we are also trying to get a French player, Britain owning those might make France a less attractive option for prospective players, and as such, we generally do not allow it.

Well the idea for Normandy and Brittany is that, after William the Conquerer fails to conquer, Godwin UNO reverses and invades the two in revenge. But in the Long term? Not really important no, I can drop them.

And rip for the East Africa part then: I’ll have to compensate with other stuff.

Exactly how much of that territory I chose has been taken?

All the East African territory that you've claimed, and literally the two provinces that form the southwestern edge of Australia.

And I do believe that Plzen is right. Having a royal house Germanize a country in under two centuries seems like an incredibly difficult to explain, so you would be much better off going with no Norman invasion and an Anglo-Saxon Britain.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Well the idea for Normandy and Brittany is that, after William the Conquerer fails to conquer, Godwin UNO reverses and invades the two in revenge. But in the Long term? Not really important no, I can drop them.

And rip for the East Africa part then: I’ll have to compensate with other stuff.

If your intent is towards a Germanic Britain, I think it's probably best to just forget the Norman Invasion entirely - it didn't happen, or was a much smaller event than it was IRL, something like that. Play up the Anglo-Saxon migrations, the Danelaw, the North Sea Empire, and the Central European royal marriages much more.

Yeah, I originally intended to change that anyways. I initially just wanted the Norman Invasion to fail, but having it never happen is also interesting.

[Tracian Empire]

If your intent is towards a Germanic Britain, I think it's probably best to just forget the Norman Invasion entirely - it didn't happen, or was a much smaller event than it was IRL, something like that. Play up the Anglo-Saxon migrations, the Danelaw, the North Sea Empire, and the Central European royal marriages much more.

Yeah, I originally intended to change that anyways. I initially just wanted the Norman Invasion to fail, but having it never happen is also interesting.

Well, it never happening and it failing would in the end have the same effect. But yeah, seeing a continued Anglo-Saxon Britain would be interesting.

I'm not sure how much that would affect the two former British colonies in America, Columbia and the Adamite Order, but this roleplay does have a history of accepting paradoxes for the sake of interesting concepts

[Kazarogkai]

I'm trying to colour in a map detailing what I desire the territory of my British Empire to be, and gotta say I'm SO pissed that The Iron Order of Adamia is coloured as dark red right now.

It aint, dark red... It's burgundy bruh.

[Kazarogkai]

Please don't shut me down yet, I'm willing to give explanations concerning the territories I've picked

Reservation

Nation Name: The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland, Normandy and Brittany/Das Vereinigte Königreich von Großbritannien, Irland, Normandie und Bretagne
Territory: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... Empire.png
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

Well, the map has sadly not been updated - there is a reservation in place for those colonies in East Africa, that also contains the southwestern edge of Australia.

At the same time, I have to ask you about the importance of Normandy and Britannia for the concept - seeing as we are also trying to get a French player, Britain owning those might make France a less attractive option for prospective players, and as such, we generally do not allow it.

Don't forget Ireland, their independent.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Well, the map has sadly not been updated - there is a reservation in place for those colonies in East Africa, that also contains the southwestern edge of Australia.

At the same time, I have to ask you about the importance of Normandy and Britannia for the concept - seeing as we are also trying to get a French player, Britain owning those might make France a less attractive option for prospective players, and as such, we generally do not allow it.

Don't forget Ireland, their independent.

What? When the hell did that happen?

[Tracian Empire]

Well, the map has sadly not been updated - there is a reservation in place for those colonies in East Africa, that also contains the southwestern edge of Australia.

At the same time, I have to ask you about the importance of Normandy and Britannia for the concept - seeing as we are also trying to get a French player, Britain owning those might make France a less attractive option for prospective players, and as such, we generally do not allow it.

Don't forget Ireland, their independent.

No they're not, that reservation expired.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

I'm trying to colour in a map detailing what I desire the territory of my British Empire to be, and gotta say I'm SO pissed that The Iron Order of Adamia is coloured as dark red right now.

It aint, dark red... It's burgundy bruh.

Well the colours are so similar you can barely differentiate them

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Don't forget Ireland, their independent.

No they're not, that reservation expired.

Oh thank God

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

For the sake of having a modern English language, I think I’m gonna add a piece of history that the whole UNO reverse Godwin conquers Normandy and Brittany thing does happen, and England controls it for about 100-200 years: Long enough for a cultural exchange so that the modern English language is formed.

After that they likely get pushed out by a combination of rebellion and the Kingdom of France invading.

[Kazarogkai]

For the sake of having a modern English language, I think I’m gonna add a piece of history that the whole UNO reverse Godwin conquers Normandy and Brittany thing does happen, and England controls it for about 100-200 years: Long enough for a cultural exchange so that the modern English language is formed.

After that they likely get pushed out by a combination of rebellion and the Kingdom of France invading.

To be fair the modern english language would probably be pretty similar you have to remember despite something like 70% of English being of foreign origin, something like 90% of the most commonly used English words are of Germanic and by extension old English origin. Hence their would be minimal change for the bulk of people. Beef and tallow(french orgin) would simply be cattle meat and cattle fat, and pork and lard(also french) would turn into pig Meat and pig fat and some other mild miscellaneous changes but that is it. If your country is still Catholic or atleast Catholic Lite(Reformed) I can make it work app wise. The main rational for the independence struggle on my part was a mix of Government Incompetence and Religious Differences, plus most of my population isn't even of English origin most typically tended to come from poorer peripheral regions like Wales and Scotland.

[Plzen]

-snip-

The obvious question then becomes how England has a language that has been heavily influenced by French but a culture that isn’t.

[Novacom]

Well, the map has sadly not been updated - there is a reservation in place for those colonies in East Africa, that also contains the southwestern edge of Australia.

At the same time, I have to ask you about the importance of Normandy and Britannia for the concept - seeing as we are also trying to get a French player, Britain owning those might make France a less attractive option for prospective players, and as such, we generally do not allow it.

Well the idea for Normandy and Brittany is that, after William the Conquerer fails to conquer, Godwin UNO reverses and invades the two in revenge. But in the Long term? Not really important no, I can drop them.

And rip for the East Africa part then: I’ll have to compensate with other stuff.

Exactly how much of that territory I chose has been taken?

As a heads up the small slither of West Africa in the middle of the Maghreb nation is also taken, but you can always go for the Islands, as for Normandy, it'll be unlikely you can get those as that could be part of a France, you could always take more colonies elsewhere however.

[Tracian Empire]

Yes, I'm sorry for all these changes, but due to the very pale color you used in your map, we missed some things.

Like I told you initially, Normandy and Brittany would be a no. The Gambia I think, the slither in West Africa, was already given to Maghreb but the map wasn't updated. East Africa is presently taken by a claim, but you could wait for that claim to expire and perhaps you'd have a chance to get that, and the same claim that has East Africa has those two provinces in Australia that I've mentioned.

At the same time, the different circumstances in the Mediterranean would make it close to impossible for Britain to have Gibraltar and the Balearic Islands - the Mediterranean would be mostly beyond the power of projection of the Royal Navy.

The rest of the claims seem to be alright, I'll add them to the map, and if there any other changes you would like to propose, just say so!