1906: Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC-CLOSED]

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Oh, I suppose I should remove South Africa or from mine

And do you mean the rest of Brazil? Because my current reservation covers about half of Brazil too

I do. Same goes for India. I’m assuming these lands were originally Visigothic possessions and later conquered by the British. Does that make sense?

That's actually how I planned on getting Cuba

My initial thought for Brazil was that Spain invades Portugal and Portugal hands over its colonies to Britain to keep them safe, and Britain never bothers to return them.

But conquering part of Brazil is good too I suppose.

India though was likely conquered independently from the different princedoms and kingdoms that littered the land, as i'd assume a similar event to the fall of the Mughal Empire could've happened.

[Intermountain States]

I do. Same goes for India. I’m assuming these lands were originally Visigothic possessions and later conquered by the British. Does that make sense?

That's actually how I planned on getting Cuba

My initial thought for Brazil was that Spain invades Portugal and Portugal hands over its colonies to Britain to keep them safe, and Britain never bothers to return them.

But conquering part of Brazil is good too I suppose.

India though was likely conquered independently from the different princedoms and kingdoms that littered the land, as i'd assume a similar event to the fall of the Mughal Empire could've happened.

Speaking of, you'd probably want to discuss history with The Hobbesian Metaphysician and Kazarogkai over Eastern American history if you haven't done so as both of them are British influenced countries (in a sense).

[Tracian Empire]

Full Nation Name : Visigothic Empire

Like we've been telling other players, our goal is to in the end have a player for Spain and one for France too. Granting French regions to neighboring nations would make the claim less appealing to any potential players there, so you can not have Occitainie and Aquitaine I'm afraid. I do understand that they were important areas of the former real life Visigothic realm, but in this case the interest of having a French player too would prevail.

Columbia, Peru, and Bolivia are also presently claimed.

As for the app itself it's too early for me to try to review it, but the culture does confuse me a little. Are you saying that the Visigoths and the Romance-speaking population of the peninsula would have maintained their own distinct identities? I assume that is what you mean by Latin.

And in terms of religion - the Catholic and Orthodox Churches mended the Schism at some point in the history, but regardless, I feel like Iberia would have been within the influence of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church.

[Sarderia]

Full Nation Name : Visigothic Empire

Like we've been telling other players, our goal is to in the end have a player for Spain and one for France too. Granting French regions to neighboring nations would make the claim less appealing to any potential players there, so you can not have Occitainie and Aquitaine I'm afraid. I do understand that they were important areas of the former real life Visigothic realm, but in this case the interest of having a French player too would prevail.

Columbia, Peru, and Bolivia are also presently claimed.

As for the app itself it's too early for me to try to review it, but the culture does confuse me a little. Are you saying that the Visigoths and the Romance-speaking population of the peninsula would have maintained their own distinct identities? I assume that is what you mean by Latin.

And in terms of religion - the Catholic and Orthodox Churches mended the Schism at some point in the history, but regardless, I feel like Iberia would have been within the influence of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church.

Is there Protestants in this timeline? I plan on making the French Huguenots a sizeable part of my history

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Like we've been telling other players, our goal is to in the end have a player for Spain and one for France too. Granting French regions to neighboring nations would make the claim less appealing to any potential players there, so you can not have Occitainie and Aquitaine I'm afraid. I do understand that they were important areas of the former real life Visigothic realm, but in this case the interest of having a French player too would prevail.

Columbia, Peru, and Bolivia are also presently claimed.

As for the app itself it's too early for me to try to review it, but the culture does confuse me a little. Are you saying that the Visigoths and the Romance-speaking population of the peninsula would have maintained their own distinct identities? I assume that is what you mean by Latin.

And in terms of religion - the Catholic and Orthodox Churches mended the Schism at some point in the history, but regardless, I feel like Iberia would have been within the influence of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church.

Is there Protestants in this timeline? I plan on making the French Huguenots a sizeable part of my history

There are. You can check out Zentraleuropa's app for their overview of the rise of Protestantism

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Is there Protestants in this timeline? I plan on making the French Huguenots a sizeable part of my history

There are. You can check out Zentraleuropa's app for their overview of the rise of Protestantism

Actually, thinking about it would Britain even be Protestant?

No Norman Britain means a Plantagenet England is unlikely, meaning no Henry VIII.

[Kazarogkai]

There are. You can check out Zentraleuropa's app for their overview of the rise of Protestantism

Actually, thinking about it would Britain even be Protestant?

No Norman Britain means a Plantagenet England is unlikely, meaning no Henry VIII.

As mentioned before Religious Persecution/conflict was as a big component of my nations origin with the group in question that formed it being in effect a protestant sect more or less(it's complicated) hence a Catholic England or at the very least one which had a not so peaceful transition over towards Protestantism would be pretty important. My existing history can work with either one pretty easily depending on your preference, wouldn't need to really change anything. I don't know If I can say the same for are friend Columbia though, you might need to hash things with him.

[Sao Nova Europa]

If Spain is Gothic and has Germanic/Latin language, then that means that Spanish did not develop as a language?

If that is the case, since I already make widespread use of Spanish names in my RP, would it be reasonable to state that (what we know in RL as the) Spanish language developed in South America during colonial times? Because such an explanation would allow South America to keep using the Spanish language (although, in this case, I guess it would be called 'South American' or simply 'American'?).

Or did Spanish develop as normal and is the language of the Visigothic realm?

[Novacom]

Full Nation Name : Visigothic Empire
Majority/Official Culture : Gothic, Latin
Territorial Core : Iberian Peninsula, Occitan and Aquitaine regions of Gaul (France), Colombia, Peru, Bolivia, Brazil, South Africa, northern India

Snipped for the relevant part.

I will repeat what has been said, you will not be getting any part of France, this has been quoted to you several times.

[Pyrghium]

Full Nation Name : Visigothic Empire

Like we've been telling other players, our goal is to in the end have a player for Spain and one for France too. Granting French regions to neighboring nations would make the claim less appealing to any potential players there, so you can not have Occitainie and Aquitaine I'm afraid. I do understand that they were important areas of the former real life Visigothic realm, but in this case the interest of having a French player too would prevail.

Columbia, Peru, and Bolivia are also presently claimed.

As for the app itself it's too early for me to try to review it, but the culture does confuse me a little. Are you saying that the Visigoths and the Romance-speaking population of the peninsula would have maintained their own distinct identities? I assume that is what you mean by Latin.

And in terms of religion - the Catholic and Orthodox Churches mended the Schism at some point in the history, but regardless, I feel like Iberia would have been within the influence of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church.

Ok. I’ll drop the Gallic territories. Forgive me for the confusion. The culture is rather a mixture of Latin and Visigothic; I don’t know what I should call it, though, Latino-Visigothic? Also, does the Government, the Economy, and other things make sense?

The History meanwhile, is still a WIP. I was thinking in general, though, that overtime, due to external threats such as the Maghrabi Sultanate, the Franks, and the Two Roman Empire(s); the Visigothic Kingdom becomes gradually more centralized and militarized; as such the Nobility are added into the Senate, a top down bureaucracy is established (along Roman lines) and so is the military. Essentially, as far as Military and Government are concerned, the Visigoths end up borrowing very much from the Roman Empire(s), and there’s sort of a love-hate relationship there. The Visigoths see their heyday with the discovery of the America’s; and the Visigoths conquer most of South America, Mexico, Cuba, South Africa, and the Mughal Empire in the 16-18th centuries (during which time, the King of the Visigoths proclaims himself Emperor); but due to corruption, mismanagement, and stagnation; many of these colonies (especially in South America) fight for their independence and win, or else colonies are seized by other powers (this all occurs in the 19th century). So at this point, the Visigothic Empire is an Empire in decline, and one in need of serious reform, modernization, and liberalization if it is to survive. Does all of that make sense? Is everyone ok with that, or does that conflict with anybody’s histories?

[Pyrghium]

If Spain is Gothic and has Germanic/Latin language, then that means that Spanish did not develop as a language?

If that is the case, since I already make widespread use of Spanish names in my RP, would it be reasonable to state that (what we know in RL as the) Spanish language developed in South America during colonial times? Because such an explanation would allow South America to keep using the Spanish language (although, in this case, I guess it would be called 'South American' or simply 'American'?).

Or did Spanish develop as normal and is the language of the Visigothic realm?

We can assume Spanish developed the same way (minus the Arab influence). The Culture of the Visigothic Empire is Latino-Visigothic; so it’s basically Spanish, but with a lot of Visigothic names kept and tweaked to sound more Latin (Theobald become Theobaldo, Alaric becomes Alarico, Recared becomes Recaredo, etc).

[Pyrghium]

Like we've been telling other players, our goal is to in the end have a player for Spain and one for France too. Granting French regions to neighboring nations would make the claim less appealing to any potential players there, so you can not have Occitainie and Aquitaine I'm afraid. I do understand that they were important areas of the former real life Visigothic realm, but in this case the interest of having a French player too would prevail.

Columbia, Peru, and Bolivia are also presently claimed.

As for the app itself it's too early for me to try to review it, but the culture does confuse me a little. Are you saying that the Visigoths and the Romance-speaking population of the peninsula would have maintained their own distinct identities? I assume that is what you mean by Latin.

And in terms of religion - the Catholic and Orthodox Churches mended the Schism at some point in the history, but regardless, I feel like Iberia would have been within the influence of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church.

Is there Protestants in this timeline? I plan on making the French Huguenots a sizeable part of my history

France, I presume?

And as for Protestantism, I don’t know. I know the Schism gets mended at some point; so I don’t know. I think we need a ruling on the matter.

[Pyrghium]

Hey, so if Central Europe is appoint their own Popes, is it feasible for the Visigoths to have their own autocephalous Synod of Bishops led by the Archbishop of Toledo?

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Hey, so if Central Europe is appoint their own Popes, is it feasible for the Visigoths to have their own autocephalous Synod of Bishops led by the Archbishop of Toledo?

We don't always appoint our own Popes.

Mostly just when we feel especcially pissed at Rome.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

I feel like an anti-Roman coalition could be in the works here.

Perhaps the Germanic peoples of Europe join together in arms against the Latins? Britannia, Central Europa, Scandinavia.

Heck, the Visigoths are technically Germanic too.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

I feel like an anti-Roman coalition could be in the works here.

Perhaps the Germanic peoples of Europe join together in arms against the Latins? Britannia, Central Europa, Scandinavia.

Heck, the Visigoths are technically Germanic too.

But I wanna march into Scandinavia?

[Plzen]

-snip-

We're a little too far north to be concerned about the Romans; we have concerns closer to home.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

-snip-

We're a little too far north to be concerned about the Romans; we have concerns closer to home.

Oh right, we're technically rivals

Btw, Exil apparently trashed Fredrick the Great, I hope Carolus Rex and Gustavus "Lion in the North" Adolphus faired better in your history

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Just gonna repost it in case it was missed

Got new map claims

Reservation

Nation Name: Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
Territory: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... .2.4.1.png
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

[Tracian Empire]

If Spain is Gothic and has Germanic/Latin language, then that means that Spanish did not develop as a language?

If that is the case, since I already make widespread use of Spanish names in my RP, would it be reasonable to state that (what we know in RL as the) Spanish language developed in South America during colonial times? Because such an explanation would allow South America to keep using the Spanish language (although, in this case, I guess it would be called 'South American' or simply 'American'?).

Or did Spanish develop as normal and is the language of the Visigothic realm?

We can assume Spanish developed the same way (minus the Arab influence). The Culture of the Visigothic Empire is Latino-Visigothic; so it’s basically Spanish, but with a lot of Visigothic names kept and tweaked to sound more Latin (Theobald become Theobaldo, Alaric becomes Alarico, Recared becomes Recaredo, etc).

Well, I am a bit confused. If Spanish developed the same way minus the Arab influence, wouldn't your culture be Spanish without Arab influences then? I don't particularly feel like the adoption of Visigothic names justifies calling your culture Gothic.

Ok. I’ll drop the Gallic territories. Forgive me for the confusion. The culture is rather a mixture of Latin and Visigothic; I don’t know what I should call it, though, Latino-Visigothic? Also, does the Government, the Economy, and other things make sense?

The History meanwhile, is still a WIP. I was thinking in general, though, that overtime, due to external threats such as the Maghrabi Sultanate, the Franks, and the Two Roman Empire(s); the Visigothic Kingdom becomes gradually more centralized and militarized; as such the Nobility are added into the Senate, a top down bureaucracy is established (along Roman lines) and so is the military. Essentially, as far as Military and Government are concerned, the Visigoths end up borrowing very much from the Roman Empire(s), and there’s sort of a love-hate relationship there. The Visigoths see their heyday with the discovery of the America’s; and the Visigoths conquer most of South America, Mexico, Cuba, South Africa, and the Mughal Empire in the 16-18th centuries (during which time, the King of the Visigoths proclaims himself Emperor); but due to corruption, mismanagement, and stagnation; many of these colonies (especially in South America) fight for their independence and win, or else colonies are seized by other powers (this all occurs in the 19th century). So at this point, the Visigothic Empire is an Empire in decline, and one in need of serious reform, modernization, and liberalization if it is to survive. Does all of that make sense? Is everyone ok with that, or does that conflict with anybody’s histories?

Well, I don't particularly think that the two Roman Empires would have been threat. The ERE especially would have stopped caring about Iberia after losing that southern part they shortly recovered under Justinian, and the WRE doesn't seem to have been centralized enough historically to do much.

And if you want the Visigoths to have become more centralized you have to explain it, and the WRE and ERE have different governments and bureaucracies, so you can't copy both.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Just gonna repost it in case it was missed

Got new map claims

Reservation

Nation Name: Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
Territory: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... .2.4.1.png
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

I'd be willing to lessen the size of my empire btw if needs be since I admit it does seem a bit big compared to others

I've seriously been trying to both go to a great territorial extent while at the same time restricting myself (hence why I have only a quarter of India and about half of Brazil rather than all of both)

[Pyrghium]

We can assume Spanish developed the same way (minus the Arab influence). The Culture of the Visigothic Empire is Latino-Visigothic; so it’s basically Spanish, but with a lot of Visigothic names kept and tweaked to sound more Latin (Theobald become Theobaldo, Alaric becomes Alarico, Recared becomes Recaredo, etc).

Well, I am a bit confused. If Spanish developed the same way minus the Arab influence, wouldn't your culture be Spanish without Arab influences then? I don't particularly feel like the adoption of Visigothic names justifies calling your culture Gothic.

Ok. I’ll drop the Gallic territories. Forgive me for the confusion. The culture is rather a mixture of Latin and Visigothic; I don’t know what I should call it, though, Latino-Visigothic? Also, does the Government, the Economy, and other things make sense?

The History meanwhile, is still a WIP. I was thinking in general, though, that overtime, due to external threats such as the Maghrabi Sultanate, the Franks, and the Two Roman Empire(s); the Visigothic Kingdom becomes gradually more centralized and militarized; as such the Nobility are added into the Senate, a top down bureaucracy is established (along Roman lines) and so is the military. Essentially, as far as Military and Government are concerned, the Visigoths end up borrowing very much from the Roman Empire(s), and there’s sort of a love-hate relationship there. The Visigoths see their heyday with the discovery of the America’s; and the Visigoths conquer most of South America, Mexico, Cuba, South Africa, and the Mughal Empire in the 16-18th centuries (during which time, the King of the Visigoths proclaims himself Emperor); but due to corruption, mismanagement, and stagnation; many of these colonies (especially in South America) fight for their independence and win, or else colonies are seized by other powers (this all occurs in the 19th century). So at this point, the Visigothic Empire is an Empire in decline, and one in need of serious reform, modernization, and liberalization if it is to survive. Does all of that make sense? Is everyone ok with that, or does that conflict with anybody’s histories?

Well, I don't particularly think that the two Roman Empires would have been threat. The ERE especially would have stopped caring about Iberia after losing that southern part they shortly recovered under Justinian, and the WRE doesn't seem to have been centralized enough historically to do much.

And if you want the Visigoths to have become more centralized you have to explain it, and the WRE and ERE have different governments and bureaucracies, so you can't copy both.

Well, the Visigoths would’ve conceivably copied more from the Western Roman Empire, no?

And you’re right, should I just put the culture as Spanish-Latino, then, but with Visigothic names?

I feel like an anti-Roman coalition could be in the works here.

Perhaps the Germanic peoples of Europe join together in arms against the Latins? Britannia, Central Europa, Scandinavia.

Heck, the Visigoths are technically Germanic too.

Yeah, but you and I are rivals in the colonial sphere, and most of the people in the Visigothic Empire are Latin; so we’d probably be more in bed with the Romans. It’s even conceivable that the Roman (especially Western Roman) and Visigothic Royal Houses would’ve intermarried by now. So if anything, our Empire would more likely join in alliance with the Roman Empires rather than against them.

[Plzen]

But I wanna march into Scandinavia?

Eyes suspiciously...

Scandinavian politics is at a precipice, and the country is maybe two years away from having a Socialist government right now, if even that. Considering your last IC post, once Scandinavia has a socialist government I can imagine things might get very interesting up here ideologically-speaking. The pragmatism of 1930s social-democrats are still several decades away, and where the ruling classes refuse to permit revolution by nonviolent means...

[Remnants of Exilvania]

But I wanna march into Scandinavia?

Eyes suspiciously...

Scandinavian politics is at a precipice, and the country is maybe two years away from having a Socialist government right now, if even that. Considering your last IC post, once Scandinavia has a socialist government I can imagine things might get very interesting up here ideologically-speaking. The pragmatism of 1930s social-democrats are still several decades away, and where the ruling classes refuse to permit revolution by nonviolent means...

Well, tbf, I have claims on practically all my neighbours so...take your place in the line, right after the domestic problems.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

I feel like an anti-Roman coalition could be in the works here.

Perhaps the Germanic peoples of Europe join together in arms against the Latins? Britannia, Central Europa, Scandinavia.

Heck, the Visigoths are technically Germanic too.

Yeah, but you and I are rivals in the colonial sphere, and most of the people in the Visigothic Empire are Latin; so we’d probably be more in bed with the Romans. It’s even conceivable that the Roman (especially Western Roman) and Visigothic Royal Houses would’ve intermarried by now. So if anything, our Empire would more likely join in alliance with the Roman Empires rather than against them.

RIP