New Civilizations (2nd Era, OOC, Always Open )

[Lazarian]

Ironically, this raving lunatic may very well become a charming statesman.

All things in due time, of course.

[The Orson Empire]

As much as Plzen wants to frame this as a religious conflict, it’s mostly over the arbitrary killing of Imperial citizens. My guess the Imperium and it’s Army isn’t entirely Christian, and what they’re being told as to why they’re fighting isn’t about Christianity.

It most definitely was anti clerical bigotry that drove the Imperial Killings in the Commonwealth, and its hard to reason otherwise. If it was just over them simply being Imperials, just bar Imperials from the country all together.

I agree. You can spin it anyway you want, but it ultimately comes down to this.

[Plzen]

Ironically, this raving lunatic may very well become a charming statesman.

All things in due time, of course.

Well, of course you’ll be a charming statesman in no time at all. What else can you become, given the circumstances?

Even if you just spend your days buried in scholarly research you’ll probably end up with quite the voice in local politics.

[Alaroma]

-snip-

Your insistence on the label “arbitrary” for the enforcement of Commonwealth law enacted by the legitimate government of the Commonwealth by law enforcement institutions duly authorised by the same is growing tiresome.

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Plzen, any modern country that instead of imprisoning, just executed foreigners for saying things the Government didn’t like would piss the fuck off any nation. We get mad when people are jailed for preaching, let alone being executed. Plus most of these countries would probably deport these people. This isn’t just about laws and sovereignty, it’s about human rights.

So the United States is going to invade Thailand soon to correct its oppressive lese majeste laws that foreign tourists keep falling afoul of, right?

No. Of course not. Because that’s not how things work. 21st Century international relations have a healthy respect for the concept of national sovereignty, and it’s more notable when it’s violated.

And not to put a too fine point on it, but the Imperium agreed to respect that principle.

1) An unjust law is no law at all.

2) That’s different than when Foreign Goverments are killing Foreign citizens, and in the case of the United States, the killing on a quantifiable scale is a call for, at the very least, sanctions. Jailing and executions are very different. Do I think the US would do something if Thailand all of a sudden started executing American critics of the King? You bet I do. And in the end, this really depends on what a nation isn’t and is willing to do. You can’t seriously believe the US, or any other major world power, actually cares about national sovereignty of lesser states? They let these people get away with these things because it’s convenient, they’re allies, or no one cares. Literally none of these apply to you, and the contention that you expect the Imperium to not fight for say human rights of its citizens over something like sovereignty is ridiculous. Sovereignty is trampled on all the time IRL.

[Plzen]

1) An unjust law is no law at all.

And this is the crux of the issue, the reason why the Commonwealth is going to war.

The Imperial stance is that they hold the authority to decide whether or not any given statute of the Commonwealth is unjust, and that any such statute cannot be considered Commonwealth law.

I find that stance absurd and ridiculous.

[Alaroma]

1) An unjust law is no law at all.

And this is the crux of the issue, the reason why the Commonwealth is going to war.

The Imperial stance is that they hold the authority to decide whether or not any given statute of the Commonwealth is unjust, and that any such statute cannot be considered Commonwealth law.

I find that stance absurd and ridiculous.

That’s an insane stance, you’re essentially saying all the atrocities the Nazi Regime committed were legitimate as long as they were within Germany. Or more pointedly, all the atrocities the USSR committed, as they were far more self contained. Or how about Pol Pot? All these guys had legitimate governments, and used them “legitimately.” If legitimacy is the end goal, sure, you’re right. That, however, is not a sustainable status quo for a nation that cares even a smudge about human rights, has the military power to back it up, and the nation in question is conveniently on their border.

[Reatra]

mfw the Commonwealth is about to be in a permanent guerrilla war lmfao. Plzen you just need to last another century and a half and don't worry we'll be there to liberate you!

[Bortslovakia]

mfw the Commonwealth is about to be in a permanent guerrilla war lmfao. Plzen you just need to last another century and a half and don't worry we'll be there to liberate you!

I eagerly await that day

"HERE, TAKE THEM! THEY'RE YOUR PROBLEM NOW! SWEET RELEAAAAASSSEEEE!"
-Irish Diplomats upon discovering another nation willing to keep the Commonwealth afloat for them

[Plzen]

-snip-

I feel like your objectives are mutually contradictory. Do you intend to assist the Commonwealth, or do you intend to take this opportunity and declare war for a second front for the Northern Isles?

The recent alliance with Icedonia probably means that you intend to take the latter option, but you keep saying you also have an interest in keeping the Commonwealth afloat, which seems strange.

[Reatra]

-snip-

I feel like your objectives are mutually contradictory. Do you intend to assist the Commonwealth, or do you intend to take this opportunity and declare war for a second front for the Northern Isles?

The recent alliance with Icedonia probably means that you intend to take the latter option, but you keep saying you also have an interest in keeping the Commonwealth afloat, which seems strange.

tbf, a Commonwealth that becomes a group of a few thousand guerrillas spread out over Sweden probably isn't gonna be able to project much power and Ireland could prolly do whatever it wants and still support yall overall in order to just ensure yall stay alive.

[Orostan]

I feel like your objectives are mutually contradictory. Do you intend to assist the Commonwealth, or do you intend to take this opportunity and declare war for a second front for the Northern Isles?

The recent alliance with Icedonia probably means that you intend to take the latter option, but you keep saying you also have an interest in keeping the Commonwealth afloat, which seems strange.

tbf, a Commonwealth that becomes a group of a few thousand guerrillas spread out over Sweden probably isn't gonna be able to project much power and Ireland could prolly do whatever it wants and still support yall overall in order to just ensure yall stay alive.

Does the Imperium even have the capability to occupy the Commonwealth? They probably don't have many men who can speak the language up North and I can't imagine Scandinavia and the baltics would be easy to administer for an empire used to operating around rivers.

[Plzen]

tbf, a Commonwealth that becomes a group of a few thousand guerrillas spread out over Sweden probably isn't gonna be able to project much power and Ireland could prolly do whatever it wants and still support yall overall in order to just ensure yall stay alive.

Any attack on the Northern Isles will be met with organised resistance. We have no reason to prioritise the defence of one front over another, and will divert troops to meet any new threat.

It’s possible that the Commonwealth is devastated by the Imperial invasion to the point where it is unable to find any meaningful military unit that is willing to follow orders, which will let Hibernia take the Northern Isles without facing any resistance that is not local, but if the war gets to that point then the Commonwealth should be considered to have been dismantled; a State without enough legitimacy to maintain order in its own borders does not functionally exist.

[Reatra]

tbf, a Commonwealth that becomes a group of a few thousand guerrillas spread out over Sweden probably isn't gonna be able to project much power and Ireland could prolly do whatever it wants and still support yall overall in order to just ensure yall stay alive.

Any attack on the Northern Isles will be met with organised resistance. We have no reason to prioritise the defence of one front over another, and will divert troops to meet any new threat.

It’s possible that the Commonwealth is devastated by the Imperial invasion to the point where it is unable to find any meaningful military unit that is willing to follow orders, which will let Hibernia take the Northern Isles without facing any resistance that is not local, but if the war gets to that point then the Commonwealth should be considered to have been dismantled; a State without the armed strength to maintain order in its own borders does not functionally exist.

sure but it needn't stay that way.

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Alright, I've posted.
Next post I'm going to detail his panicking and hearing of a tale, one of a strange outsider similar to him on a reed canoe with a sail.

[Reatra]

Alright, I've posted.
Next post I'm going to detail his panicking and hearing of a tale, one of a strange outsider similar to him on a reed canoe with a sail.

Lmao I don't know if it should happen so quickly! My Author was just one dude, it'd prolly be awhile until anyone was able to connect the dots.

[Europa Undivided]

If I remember correctly Judaism isn’t a proselytising religion the same way Islam and Christianity are, so if desired that would go a long way towards the reduction of friction - we have little problem with religions that keep to themselves and don’t bother people inside of our own borders.

Of course, conflict is still inevitable, because if you intend to forge a united Slavic nation you’ll have to smash through Novgorod, which is a state under our protection...

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Is this treason?

And people wonder why I’m so paranoid in this RP... it’s not paranoia if they actually are out to get you.

Judaism unless modified, is a ethnic-religion group. They don't proselytize, because they see no need converting people who are not gods chosen people. That being said, a overhaul to deal with the situation is necessary, so a more expansionist Judaism religion may be a neccessity.

The brand of Judaism the new Moskva will have (that is, until it turns Christian sometime in AD 100 or something) would be like the one in the Khazar Khaganate, and the reasons for conversion would also be the same. The Grand Duchy of Moskva (which I will make into the Muscov Rus) would become Jewish primarily to assert its independence from neighbouring pagan powers, as well as to ensure the unity of its people.

[Europa Undivided]

Who are the Co-Ops again?

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Alright, I've posted.
Next post I'm going to detail his panicking and hearing of a tale, one of a strange outsider similar to him on a reed canoe with a sail.

Lmao I don't know if it should happen so quickly! My Author was just one dude, it'd prolly be awhile until anyone was able to connect the dots.

Alright then, just stress from realizing that he is on a new world and acceptance of his place in the new society.
Give or take 8 years to rule a single chiefdom and another 16 to control all of Haida Gwaii.

Then he notices he doesn't age.

[Reatra]

Lmao I don't know if it should happen so quickly! My Author was just one dude, it'd prolly be awhile until anyone was able to connect the dots.

Alright then, just stress from realizing that he is on a new world and acceptance of his place in the new society.
Give or take 8 years to rule a single chiefdom and another 16 to control all of Haida Gwaii.

Then he notices he doesn't age.

shit 16 years from now hopefully I'll have sent a lil polynesian-style canoe up your way to say hi.

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Alright then, just stress from realizing that he is on a new world and acceptance of his place in the new society.
Give or take 8 years to rule a single chiefdom and another 16 to control all of Haida Gwaii.

Then he notices he doesn't age.

shit 16 years from now hopefully I'll have sent a lil polynesian-style canoe up your way to say hi.

16 years since he arrived here I assume, probably making waves already.
Wanna colonize Hawaii together like the Madagascar dudes did?

[Reatra]

shit 16 years from now hopefully I'll have sent a lil polynesian-style canoe up your way to say hi.

16 years since he arrived here I assume, probably making waves already.
Wanna colonize Hawaii together like the Madagascar dudes did?

Oh shit no one lives in Hawaii in 3000 BCE, right!

Yeah I'll prolly be tryna send canoes there from SF before I even meet you, but yeah that'd be hella cool. And since OOC I definitely want to meet the dude in China, and IC my Author definitely wants to make trans-Pacific contact overall, having a base to restock in Hawaii would be super cool.

This will be fun, lmfao

[Bortslovakia]

Any attack on the Northern Isles will be met with organised resistance. We have no reason to prioritise the defence of one front over another, and will divert troops to meet any new threat.

It’s possible that the Commonwealth is devastated by the Imperial invasion to the point where it is unable to find any meaningful military unit that is willing to follow orders, which will let Hibernia take the Northern Isles without facing any resistance that is not local, but if the war gets to that point then the Commonwealth should be considered to have been dismantled; a State without the armed strength to maintain order in its own borders does not functionally exist.

sure but it needn't stay that way.

Politics is a fickle thing. We've just run into the ol' competing desires predicament is all.

But trust me... I definitely have a plan...

[Orostan]

16 years since he arrived here I assume, probably making waves already.
Wanna colonize Hawaii together like the Madagascar dudes did?

Oh shit no one lives in Hawaii in 3000 BCE, right!

Yeah I'll prolly be tryna send canoes there from SF before I even meet you, but yeah that'd be hella cool. And since OOC I definitely want to meet the dude in China, and IC my Author definitely wants to make trans-Pacific contact overall, having a base to restock in Hawaii would be super cool.

This will be fun, lmfao

It would be funny if a group of canoes bumps into a big trading junk at sea or something.

[Reatra]

Oh shit no one lives in Hawaii in 3000 BCE, right!

Yeah I'll prolly be tryna send canoes there from SF before I even meet you, but yeah that'd be hella cool. And since OOC I definitely want to meet the dude in China, and IC my Author definitely wants to make trans-Pacific contact overall, having a base to restock in Hawaii would be super cool.

This will be fun, lmfao

It would be funny if a group of canoes bumps into a big trading junk at sea or something.

Fam, it's 2975 BCE, it'll take a lot of effort to be making junks in China. I think big canoes suffice for now lol

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

It would be funny if a group of canoes bumps into a big trading junk at sea or something.

Fam, it's 2975 BCE, it'll take a lot of effort to be making junks in China. I think big canoes suffice for now lol

Finna boutta Pan-Pacific Alliance or some shit.