New Civilizations (2nd Era, OOC, Always Open )

[G-Tech Corporation]

Would like to show internal growth for the next map. Less, expansion more internal connection (towns, cities, ports). Consolidation.

You could do what I do - put together a map with points of interest. Detail towns, highways, dams, ports, that sort of thing.

[Cainesland]

The rp map was updated for the last time skip. Not all the way though as the territory of the single market wasn’t completely put in.

It shows territory that we control directly yah?

I think so. Although the single market shows member territory, similar to the EU, more than direct control by Bostwick.

[Orostan]

Posted. Aaron executes Commander Wan and a village is integrated into China peacefully. I tried in this post to explain what Aaron thinks of himself and how China's expansion strategy has changed since the revolts and ethic problems. I'm also in the future going to have revolts be less common but larger and with military defections to the rebels when they do occur. They'll also probably be related to conflicts between different villages and towns as they're integrated into the same province. They also won't be immediately against the central government, and will be more of a revolt against local authorities than the central authorities.

In the next post I want to have the village that just got integrated enter into a dispute with their neighbors over the construction of infrastructure. Their problems are going to get a lot more complex and I'm going to keep following them as they're further integrated. I have some ideas for a few characters from that village.

As usual please tell me what you think and how I can improve my posts.

[Orostan]

By the way, how was my post from two days ago? I forgot to ask for feedback

It was a good post, but I think the environment wasn't described enough. We know you're burning everything and that you're in a village but we don't get many details about the village itself before you destroy it.

[Speyland]

By the way, how was my post from two days ago? I forgot to ask for feedback

It was a good post, but I think the environment wasn't described enough. We know you're burning everything and that you're in a village but we don't get many details about the village itself before you destroy it.

What about mine? lol

[Orostan]

It was a good post, but I think the environment wasn't described enough. We know you're burning everything and that you're in a village but we don't get many details about the village itself before you destroy it.

What about mine? lol

I don’t know if you’re trying to give us an overview of the last time skip or start a new character. I think you should go more into detail about the stuff you’re doing. Is English your first language?

[Speyland]

What about mine? lol

I don’t know if you’re trying to give us an overview of the last time skip or start a new character. I think you should go more into detail about the stuff you’re doing. Is English your first language?

Yeah? Why?

[Orostan]

I don’t know if you’re trying to give us an overview of the last time skip or start a new character. I think you should go more into detail about the stuff you’re doing. Is English your first language?

Yeah? Why?

It’s just that a lot of the wording seems a little off. Sometimes people who didn’t have English as their first language write like that, or maybe you just have a particular style of writing I’m not used to.

[Speyland]

Yeah? Why?

It’s just that a lot of the wording seems a little off. Sometimes people who didn’t have English as their first language write like that, or maybe you just have a particular style of writing I’m not used to.

Well, I use Grammarly to fix some errors if it doesn't make sense. It supposed to be helpful though.

[Orostan]

With the internal situation in China probably getting more stable as rural revolts turn into less intense political conflicts would it be alright for me to begin some land and sea exploration?

With a new player in Korea I’d at least like to reach there. Maybe by following the coast line I could also reach Vietnam.

[UniversalCommons]

G-Tech, Did you use Google My Maps. Basically have a map then add custom points of interest.

[G-Tech Corporation]

With the internal situation in China probably getting more stable as rural revolts turn into less intense political conflicts would it be alright for me to begin some land and sea exploration?

With a new player in Korea I’d at least like to reach there. Maybe by following the coast line I could also reach Vietnam.

What sorta ships are we talking about? Riparian ad-hoc stuff?

G-Tech, Did you use Google My Maps. Basically have a map then add custom points of interest.

Ayerp. She's been quite useful for mapping.

[Orostan]

With the internal situation in China probably getting more stable as rural revolts turn into less intense political conflicts would it be alright for me to begin some land and sea exploration?

With a new player in Korea I’d at least like to reach there. Maybe by following the coast line I could also reach Vietnam.

What sorta ships are we talking about? Riparian ad-hoc stuff?

I think decently sized and safe sailing boats would be possible.

[G-Tech Corporation]

What sorta ships are we talking about? Riparian ad-hoc stuff?

I think decently sized and safe sailing boats would be possible.

Hm. Well, the Irish Author took fifteen years to develop longships for coastal travel, and that was essentially his priority. With China's attention significantly more divided, is there any reason Aaron et al. should be developing coastal travel in only half the time of an analogous civilization?

[Plzen]

Hm. Well, the Irish Author took fifteen years to develop longships for coastal travel,

Hey, don't forget me entirely. :p

[Orostan]

I think decently sized and safe sailing boats would be possible.

Hm. Well, the Irish Author took fifteen years to develop longships for coastal travel, and that was essentially his priority. With China's attention significantly more divided, is there any reason Aaron et al. should be developing coastal travel in only half the time of an analogous civilization?

Fishing is becoming a big industry on the coast during the winter when many farmers are out of work and as harvests worsen.

I don’t think fifteen years for longships is necessary. Maybe for good longships, but not for something that can get from point A to point B in a reasonable amount of time. I think ships capable of lengthy sea travel would probably be developed from ships used for fishing right now or for quick travel down the yellow river.

They’d have their problems at sea and would be far from perfect at first, or course. Land exploration would be more successful than sea exploration at first.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hm. Well, the Irish Author took fifteen years to develop longships for coastal travel, and that was essentially his priority. With China's attention significantly more divided, is there any reason Aaron et al. should be developing coastal travel in only half the time of an analogous civilization?

Fishing is becoming a big industry on the coast during the winter when many farmers are out of work and as harvests worsen.

I don’t think fifteen years for longships is necessary. Maybe for good longships, but not for something that can get from point A to point B in a reasonable amount of time. I think ships capable of lengthy sea travel would probably be developed from ships used for fishing right now or for quick travel down the yellow river.

They’d have their problems at sea and would be far from perfect at first, or course. Land exploration would be more successful than sea exploration at first.

So, you're saying 'China' has expanded from Luoyang to the coast - 700 km or so?

I'm merely working with what our precedent is: which is that developing reasonably reliable ships for coastal travel, from a baseline of only cursory knowledge of their construction, with a focus on developing them, takes about fifteen years. Aaron has multiple factors against him in comparison to the Irish, insofar as his society is so far from the coast that no real knowledge of sailing should be existent in the community, and that he has been rather otherwise occupied.

To me that says two decades or longer to develop analogous vessels, not less time.

[Orostan]

Fishing is becoming a big industry on the coast during the winter when many farmers are out of work and as harvests worsen.

I don’t think fifteen years for longships is necessary. Maybe for good longships, but not for something that can get from point A to point B in a reasonable amount of time. I think ships capable of lengthy sea travel would probably be developed from ships used for fishing right now or for quick travel down the yellow river.

They’d have their problems at sea and would be far from perfect at first, or course. Land exploration would be more successful than sea exploration at first.

So, you're saying 'China' has expanded from Luoyang to the coast - 700 km or so?

I'm merely working with what our precedent is: which is that developing reasonably reliable ships for coastal travel, from a baseline of only cursory knowledge of their construction, with a focus on developing them, takes about fifteen years. Aaron has multiple factors against him in comparison to the Irish, insofar as his society is so far from the coast that no real knowledge of sailing should be existent in the community, and that he has been rather otherwise occupied.

To me that says two decades or longer to develop analogous vessels, not less time.

Hm. Would the Yellow Sea be at all easier to travel than the open ocean? Would I be able to make ships that could safely go to Korea, but not safely from south China directly to Vietnam?

[Ralnis]

One thing that I maybe doing is make trade outpost on the edge of the Indus and start exploring the Ganges and the Brahmaputra then make connections to Western China tribes and civs. Might be the thing that can connect Sumeria, Indus, and Oorstan to each other through trade and establish some impromptu silk road.

[Orostan]

One thing that I maybe doing is make trade outpost on the edge of the Indus and start exploring the Ganges and the Brahmaputra then make connections to Western China tribes and civs. Might be the thing that can connect Sumeria, Indus, and Oorstan to each other through trade and establish some impromptu silk road.

That would be interesting. By now goods produced along the yellow river are probably present in a lot of modern day China and in reach of you in at least some amount.

[Cainesland]

Depending on how things go I might try and get a small post tomorrow. Is there something that is desired to address?

[Ralnis]

Depending on how things go I might try and get a small post tomorrow. Is there something that is desired to address?

I will be sending some envoys to try and be able to buy up some companies or invest heavily in the single market in order to get Sumeria a bigger piece of the trading for profits and to get tech diffusion from Nestos and the Imperium traders.

[G-Tech Corporation]

So, you're saying 'China' has expanded from Luoyang to the coast - 700 km or so?

I'm merely working with what our precedent is: which is that developing reasonably reliable ships for coastal travel, from a baseline of only cursory knowledge of their construction, with a focus on developing them, takes about fifteen years. Aaron has multiple factors against him in comparison to the Irish, insofar as his society is so far from the coast that no real knowledge of sailing should be existent in the community, and that he has been rather otherwise occupied.

To me that says two decades or longer to develop analogous vessels, not less time.

Hm. Would the Yellow Sea be at all easier to travel than the open ocean? Would I be able to make ships that could safely go to Korea, but not safely from south China directly to Vietnam?

Well, the Yellow Sea is pound for pound larger and more ferocious than either the Irish Sea, or the English Channel - and those are the salient basis for comparison. Certainly you’ll have a safer time traveling on the short trip to Korea as opposed to all the way along the coast to Vietnam/South China, but that still largely begs the question of priority. Why send men on barely seaworthy prototypes for hundreds of kilometers when China needs nothing those regions can provide? Exploration tends to result from feasibility, not impracticality.

[New Arcadius]

The current year is making this roleplay stale.

We really need a time skip. We have been in the same year for almost 3 months now and I can't progress without time moving forward. Advancements cant happen if we are going by month or days.

[New Arcadius]

Depending on how things go I might try and get a small post tomorrow. Is there something that is desired to address?

I will be sending some envoys to try and be able to buy up some companies or invest heavily in the single market in order to get Sumeria a bigger piece of the trading for profits and to get tech diffusion from Nestos and the Imperium traders.

How in the heck are you trading with the Imperium? They're all the way in Europe and they don't have steam boats anymore or that sort.