New Civilizations (2nd Era, OOC, Always Open )

[UniversalCommons]

Trader Ulysses has divers working for him for sponges, we also mentioned collecting coral, and trading for pearls. This might we would be able to develop divers that could stay under for about 4-5 minutes. He developed a simple pot to trap air. Also around this time period, I think we could develop a simple bamboo snorkel. Would it be possible to do something like a salvage operation or introduce diving for military purposes into the game, holing a few ships from Ur with divers, cutting some anchor lines, mischief. Also, possibly locating the sunken ships from Uruk and retrieving some of the equipment and treasure.

I imagine the feasibility of salvage operations will depend on the depth of wrecks and the water you’d be diving in. How would you even know where ship wrecks are?

We might be able to locate some of the wrecks by going where salvage washed up on the shores. These were very large ships. There might be some flotsam, bodies, or other material which might give away the location of some of the ships. Not all of them. We could even end up making a mistake and picking up some merchant junk. This would be a test run. Some people might even have seen some of the pieces of the wrecks if the water is fairly clear. I am not sure yet. Diving would be a specialty at this point.

[Orostan]

I imagine the feasibility of salvage operations will depend on the depth of wrecks and the water you’d be diving in. How would you even know where ship wrecks are?

We might be able to locate some of the wrecks by going where salvage washed up on the shores. These were very large ships. There might be some flotsam, bodies, or other material which might give away the location of some of the ships. Not all of them. We could even end up making a mistake and picking up some merchant junk. This would be a test run. Some people might even have seen some of the pieces of the wrecks if the water is fairly clear. I am not sure yet. Diving would be a specialty at this point.

Do you think some form of simple sonar might be possible?

[Speyland]

I'm back!

[G-Tech Corporation]

Can I ask, because I wasn't following the Winter War storyline closely, who was the guy in Kulm? And if by chance he was Victor, how did he get there, how long was he in Confederacy's lands, and did he do anything to Confederacy like, I dunno, wage war ( I hope not ), and lastly, where do you think Kulm is on the map?

'twas Viktor, indeed. By ship, up the Vistula, for presumably the length of the journey from Gdansk to as far south as the Vistulans have managed to go. Just an anonymous trader from the Imperium passing south on the way to Markal.

Kulm I'd imagine to be around where Torun is IRL in Poland.

[UniversalCommons]

We might be able to locate some of the wrecks by going where salvage washed up on the shores. These were very large ships. There might be some flotsam, bodies, or other material which might give away the location of some of the ships. Not all of them. We could even end up making a mistake and picking up some merchant junk. This would be a test run. Some people might even have seen some of the pieces of the wrecks if the water is fairly clear. I am not sure yet. Diving would be a specialty at this point.

Do you think some form of simple sonar might be possible?

For us, it would not be something we would be thinking about. What would probably happen is that we would end up with a few ships that would carry our divers to do a few things. We would search and not find things immediately. We would have more luck following up leads around where shipwrecks occurred. We might try out a few local merchant ships first in preparation.

Part of this is based on the ideas of the Greeks who had divers who cut Persian anchor lines and Byzantines who had divers who would hole boats with tools.

We would use open bell. We would lower an open bell into the water with some air trapped in it initially. This was described in the 4th century bc. Basically it comes from the realization that if you turn a pot upside down and drop it in the water, it will hold air. It could develop over time. It might start just with head and shoulders, enough to allow an air supply. We might eventually develop a leather hose.

[Wysten]

I apologize heavily for dipping. I'll try and have my next worldbuilding post up, any major developments in the Isles that I miss?

[Hanafuridake]

Sorry for randomly dropping in with some thoughts, but does anyone else think A New Civilizations mod for Crusader Kings III would be blessed?

I know most of our authors would go wild with the custom faith option.

[Cainesland]

Sorry for randomly dropping in with some thoughts, but does anyone else think A New Civilizations mod for Crusader Kings III would be blessed?

I know most of our authors would go wild with the custom faith option.

It could be interesting

[Joohan]

Sorry for randomly dropping in with some thoughts, but does anyone else think A New Civilizations mod for Crusader Kings III would be blessed?

I know most of our authors would go wild with the custom faith option.

I choked

and yes

[Orostan]

Sorry for randomly dropping in with some thoughts, but does anyone else think A New Civilizations mod for Crusader Kings III would be blessed?

I know most of our authors would go wild with the custom faith option.

That would be cool. Do you plan to make that?

[Endem]

Can I ask, because I wasn't following the Winter War storyline closely, who was the guy in Kulm? And if by chance he was Victor, how did he get there, how long was he in Confederacy's lands, and did he do anything to Confederacy like, I dunno, wage war ( I hope not ), and lastly, where do you think Kulm is on the map?

'twas Viktor, indeed. By ship, up the Vistula, for presumably the length of the journey from Gdansk to as far south as the Vistulans have managed to go. Just an anonymous trader from the Imperium passing south on the way to Markal.

Kulm I'd imagine to be around where Torun is IRL in Poland.

How did he get there, I looked through some previous posts and it looks like he sorta popped there out of nowhere
And you definitely overestimated how fast I'm able to expand, we have only just reached the border of the Pomorze Gdanskie and Kujawsko Pomorskie voivodeships, and while the guys at Torun probably heard of the Confederacy, we are still quite a ways away from being even near Torun

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

Sorry for randomly dropping in with some thoughts, but does anyone else think A New Civilizations mod for Crusader Kings III would be blessed?

I know most of our authors would go wild with the custom faith option.

Oh god yes -- have you played after the end?

[G-Tech Corporation]

'twas Viktor, indeed. By ship, up the Vistula, for presumably the length of the journey from Gdansk to as far south as the Vistulans have managed to go. Just an anonymous trader from the Imperium passing south on the way to Markal.

Kulm I'd imagine to be around where Torun is IRL in Poland.

How did he get there, I looked through some previous posts and it looks like he sorta popped there out of nowhere
And you definitely overestimated how fast I'm able to expand, we have only just reached the border of the Pomorze Gdanskie and Kujawsko Pomorskie voivodeships, and while the guys at Torun probably heard of the Confederacy, we are still quite a ways away from being even near Torun

Oh he has been on a naval tour of the nearby Baltic region, and a week or two of sailing up the Vistula is the swiftest method to get from there back to the Imperium proper via Poland. I don't mind moving Kulm north - just didn't have an idea of where the Confederacy extended to.

Do you think some form of simple sonar might be possible?

For us, it would not be something we would be thinking about. What would probably happen is that we would end up with a few ships that would carry our divers to do a few things. We would search and not find things immediately. We would have more luck following up leads around where shipwrecks occurred. We might try out a few local merchant ships first in preparation.

Part of this is based on the ideas of the Greeks who had divers who cut Persian anchor lines and Byzantines who had divers who would hole boats with tools.

We would use open bell. We would lower an open bell into the water with some air trapped in it initially. This was described in the 4th century bc. Basically it comes from the realization that if you turn a pot upside down and drop it in the water, it will hold air. It could develop over time. It might start just with head and shoulders, enough to allow an air supply. We might eventually develop a leather hose.

The biggest problem you'll likely face is the fundamental issue of using surface-pressure air for diving - Boyle's law. Stuffing, say, 90 cubic meters of surface-pressure air into a diving bell, then lowering it merely sixty feet, will cut those 90 cubic meters down to 30, while your divers will still need a cubic meter of air or so every ten minutes when engaging in physical activity. Without a way to pump more air down to your divers, which requires an air compression system of some complexity, the amount of time divers can work at any appreciable depth is very limited.

Hence the reason diving is more or less an early-modern thing. Until mankind developed really solid sealants and pressurization mechanisms (not to mention pressure glass), free diving gets you to about the depth of actual diving pretty easily, with no infrastructure, and no expenditure. Especially given that you'll need a seriously hefty amount of weight to hold an appreciable amount of air down - which means a large amount of labor to, say, strap rocks to your diving bell, or expensive metal.

[Endem]

How did he get there, I looked through some previous posts and it looks like he sorta popped there out of nowhere
And you definitely overestimated how fast I'm able to expand, we have only just reached the border of the Pomorze Gdanskie and Kujawsko Pomorskie voivodeships, and while the guys at Torun probably heard of the Confederacy, we are still quite a ways away from being even near Torun

Oh he has been on a naval tour of the nearby Baltic region, and a week or two of sailing up the Vistula is the swiftest method to get from there back to the Imperium proper via Poland. I don't mind moving Kulm north - just didn't have an idea of where the Confederacy extended to.

But... But, we have a map just for that purpose

[G-Tech Corporation]

Oh he has been on a naval tour of the nearby Baltic region, and a week or two of sailing up the Vistula is the swiftest method to get from there back to the Imperium proper via Poland. I don't mind moving Kulm north - just didn't have an idea of where the Confederacy extended to.

But... But, we have a map just for that purpose

Sure - she hasn't been updated in ten IC years though, if memory serves.

[Cainesland]

The rp map was updated for the last time skip. Not all the way though as the territory of the single market wasn’t completely put in.

[Hanafuridake]

Sorry for randomly dropping in with some thoughts, but does anyone else think A New Civilizations mod for Crusader Kings III would be blessed?

I know most of our authors would go wild with the custom faith option.

That would be cool. Do you plan to make that?

No, unfortunately, it would require too much modding, some of it way above my skills (I've never done maps before).

[Endem]

Posted, I'm sorry for the Polish in it, but, it was the only way as the word I wanted to use only translated to English as conflagration, and it's the literal meaning of the word, while the word carries so much weight in the Polish language, especially in the context I wanted to use it, as it basically meant to make a bloodbath and burn what remained.

[Speyland]

Name: Susan Park
Age: 22
Height and Weight: 5' 8" and 147.
Skin, hair, and eye description: She have black hair, brown eyes and pale skin.

Prior Profession: Student
Level of education: Sociology and Korean history.
Physique description: Physically, Susan is in pretty good shape. She is average-height.
Useful skills: Calligraphy, baking and, fishing.

National Origin: Korean-American
What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?: Susan was having a good time with his friends at a restaurant but her second cup of wine have resulted her into getting drunk and cause a fight with a man who in turn knock her out cold.
Description of personality: Susan is a kind-hearted, conservative, timid and, cowardly young woman.
Where in the world are you landing?: Jeju City, Jeju Island

Autobiography/Biography: Susan was born in New York City on September 6, 1997 to Korean parents. She has two brothers. She grew up in Koreatown, Manhattan, which is a neighborhood consist of Korean immigrants. Her grandmother taught Susan how to become a baker at a early age and her grandfather taught her how to fish at Central Park.

She is currently a student at Yeshiva University and is studying sociology and Korean history.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Name: Susan Park
Age: 22
Height and Weight: 5' 8" and 147.
Skin, hair, and eye description: She have black hair, brown eyes and pale skin.

Prior Profession: Student
Level of education: Sociology and Korean history.
Physique description: Physically, Susan is in pretty good shape. She is average-height.
Useful skills: Calligraphy, baking and, fishing.

National Origin: Korean-American
What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?: Susan was having a good time with his friends at a restaurant but her second cup of wine have resulted her into getting drunk and cause a fight with a man who in turn knock her out cold.
Description of personality: Susan is a kind-hearted, conservative, timid and, cowardly young woman.
Where in the world are you landing?: Jeju City, Jeju Island

Autobiography/Biography: Susan was born in New York City on September 6, 1997 to Korean parents. She has two brothers. She grew up in Koreatown, Manhattan, which is a neighborhood consist of Korean immigrants. Her grandmother taught Susan how to become a baker at a early age and her grandfather taught her how to fish at Central Park.

She is currently a student at Yeshiva University and is studying sociology and Korean history.

This all seems to be in order. Happy to have you back, Spey. J'accept.

[Orostan]

Name: Susan Park
Age: 22
Height and Weight: 5' 8" and 147.
Skin, hair, and eye description: She have black hair, brown eyes and pale skin.

Prior Profession: Student
Level of education: Sociology and Korean history.
Physique description: Physically, Susan is in pretty good shape. She is average-height.
Useful skills: Calligraphy, baking and, fishing.

National Origin: Korean-American
What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?: Susan was having a good time with his friends at a restaurant but her second cup of wine have resulted her into getting drunk and cause a fight with a man who in turn knock her out cold.
Description of personality: Susan is a kind-hearted, conservative, timid and, cowardly young woman.
Where in the world are you landing?: Jeju City, Jeju Island

Autobiography/Biography: Susan was born in New York City on September 6, 1997 to Korean parents. She has two brothers. She grew up in Koreatown, Manhattan, which is a neighborhood consist of Korean immigrants. Her grandmother taught Susan how to become a baker at a early age and her grandfather taught her how to fish at Central Park.

She is currently a student at Yeshiva University and is studying sociology and Korean history.

It’s nice to have another person close to where I am in China. It’ll be fun when we start trading.

[Endem]

By the way, how was my post from two days ago? I forgot to ask for feedback

[Europa Undivided]

The rp map was updated for the last time skip. Not all the way though as the territory of the single market wasn’t completely put in.

It shows territory that we control directly yah?

[UniversalCommons]

By the way, how was my post from two days ago? I forgot to ask for feedback

It was good. Could use some color to set the tone. Red for blood, maybe a dull iron for effect. Also show a little terror by physical action or reaction (cowering, screaming).

[UniversalCommons]

Would like to show internal growth for the next map. Less, expansion more internal connection (towns, cities, ports). Consolidation.