New Civilizations (2nd Era, OOC, Always Open )

[Plzen]

Joohan, is this endless back-and-forth debacle really worse than just throwing up a tech tree, some expansion mechanics, and calling it a day? Since I'm pretty much the perfect impartial observer I'll even help you set one up.

I've clashed with G-Tech on more-or-less the same lines of arguments for over a year. I'm not even in this RP anymore and it's still giving me a headache. :p

[Orostan]

Joohan, is this endless back-and-forth debacle really worse than just throwing up a tech tree, some expansion mechanics, and calling it a day? Since I'm pretty much the perfect impartial observer I'll even help you set one up.

I've clashed with G-Tech on more-or-less the same lines of arguments for over a year. I'm not even in this RP anymore and it's still giving me a headache.

This sounds good.

[Endem]

Joohan, is this endless back-and-forth debacle really worse than just throwing up a tech tree, some expansion mechanics, and calling it a day? Since I'm pretty much the perfect impartial observer I'll even help you set one up.

I've clashed with G-Tech on more-or-less the same lines of arguments for over a year. I'm not even in this RP anymore and it's still giving me a headache.

Oh God no, please don't add mechanics to this RP for the sake of the people who have trouble wrapping their head around them, I hardly if ever understand those complex mechanics people throw in to their rps and it would certainly not be encouraging to make a graph for every post or go to the OOC again and again and again and again needing to check tens of different spoilers to see if yes, I can build that thing.
( as for posting myself, I'm gonna say this, maybe, possibly )

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

Joohan, is this endless back-and-forth debacle really worse than just throwing up a tech tree, some expansion mechanics, and calling it a day? Since I'm pretty much the perfect impartial observer I'll even help you set one up.

I've clashed with G-Tech on more-or-less the same lines of arguments for over a year. I'm not even in this RP anymore and it's still giving me a headache.

Oh God no, please don't add mechanics to this RP for the sake of the people who have trouble wrapping their head around them, I hardly if ever understand those complex mechanics people throw in to their rps and it would certainly not be encouraging to make a graph for every post or go to the OOC again and again and again and again needing to check tens of different spoilers to see if yes, I can build that thing.
( as for posting myself, I'm gonna say this, maybe, possibly )

I agree. PLEASE do not make this rp another numbers game. It absolutely ruined strange world for me

[Orostan]

Joohan, is this endless back-and-forth debacle really worse than just throwing up a tech tree, some expansion mechanics, and calling it a day? Since I'm pretty much the perfect impartial observer I'll even help you set one up.

I've clashed with G-Tech on more-or-less the same lines of arguments for over a year. I'm not even in this RP anymore and it's still giving me a headache.

Oh God no, please don't add mechanics to this RP for the sake of the people who have trouble wrapping their head around them, I hardly if ever understand those complex mechanics people throw in to their rps and it would certainly not be encouraging to make a graph for every post or go to the OOC again and again and again and again needing to check tens of different spoilers to see if yes, I can build that thing.
( as for posting myself, I'm gonna say this, maybe, possibly )

Oh God no, please don't add mechanics to this RP for the sake of the people who have trouble wrapping their head around them, I hardly if ever understand those complex mechanics people throw in to their rps and it would certainly not be encouraging to make a graph for every post or go to the OOC again and again and again and again needing to check tens of different spoilers to see if yes, I can build that thing.
( as for posting myself, I'm gonna say this, maybe, possibly )

I agree. PLEASE do not make this rp another numbers game. It absolutely ruined strange world for me

A tech tree would only be a basic system of knowing what stuff is required for what and how fast science in general should go. Expansion mechanics only need to be a basic outline for how societies around us ought to behave and be treated. For example, if there are mostly hunter gatherers around they need to be treated differently than settled people. There can be an outline on how they and others might behave in relation to our civilizations and what we should expect and RP.

If this goes anything beyond guidelines though I’m against it. I just want consistent and clear moderation that isn’t making stuff up as they go along.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

Oh God no, please don't add mechanics to this RP for the sake of the people who have trouble wrapping their head around them, I hardly if ever understand those complex mechanics people throw in to their rps and it would certainly not be encouraging to make a graph for every post or go to the OOC again and again and again and again needing to check tens of different spoilers to see if yes, I can build that thing.
( as for posting myself, I'm gonna say this, maybe, possibly )

I agree. PLEASE do not make this rp another numbers game. It absolutely ruined strange world for me

A tech tree would only be a basic system of knowing what stuff is required for what and how fast science in general should go. Expansion mechanics only need to be a basic outline for how societies around us ought to behave and be treated. For example, if there are mostly hunter gatherers around they need to be treated differently than settled people. There can be an outline on how they and others might behave in relation to our civilizations and what we should expect and RP.

If this goes anything beyond guidelines though I’m against it. I just want consistent and clear moderation that isn’t making stuff up as they go along.

I think guidelines would be good but even a tech tree seems too far. I like the idea of things evolving organically not following some straight path - but moderating it more is nessecary for those of us who are playing this in perhaps a more game-ey way

[Orostan]

A tech tree would only be a basic system of knowing what stuff is required for what and how fast science in general should go. Expansion mechanics only need to be a basic outline for how societies around us ought to behave and be treated. For example, if there are mostly hunter gatherers around they need to be treated differently than settled people. There can be an outline on how they and others might behave in relation to our civilizations and what we should expect and RP.

If this goes anything beyond guidelines though I’m against it. I just want consistent and clear moderation that isn’t making stuff up as they go along.

I think guidelines would be good but even a tech tree seems too far. I like the idea of things evolving organically not following some straight path - but moderating it more is nessecary for those of us who are playing this in perhaps a more game-ey way

Yeah I agree on that mostly, but I’ve had to retcon parts of my posts that they said was okay once and then changed their mind on. The capability of my ships, for example.

I think they should communicate with us more, or maybe just me, and tell me exactly how far I’m allowed to go and why. Joohan has done very well with that in my last few posts by reading them and telling me what he thinks.

They also make the same mistakes with each other, for example G-tech just had to get rid of his crossbows because they weren’t possible. I don’t think those crossbows were such a recent thing either. When they moderate the RP consistently and reasonably they do well. When they do not I have to retcon stuff I posted last month and completely alter stuff they indicated was fine before.

A basic process of “player does a thing” followed by the mods reading that thing and deciding if it’s reasonable or not would solve my problem. When I make a mistake or go into something I want to know if it’s possible or not before I make ten posts building on it.

[G-Tech Corporation]

They also make the same mistakes with each other, for example G-tech just had to get rid of his crossbows because they weren’t possible.

Yeah, that's not what happened - rather I corrected Joohan's assumption about what the crossbows were. I've always portrayed them consistently - but misunderstandings like that are natural when working with text-only descriptions of complex topics.

When they do not I have to retcon stuff I posted last month and completely alter stuff they indicated was fine before.

A basic process of “player does a thing” followed by the mods reading that thing and deciding if it’s reasonable or not would solve my problem. When I make a mistake or go into something I want to know if it’s possible or not before I make ten posts building on it.

Your problem is that you need to stop taking silence as assent. Joohan and I are both old crotchety men who lead busy lives, and don't have the time or inclination to argue you down off of every post containing ground-shattering innovation. If I tell you that your Author isn't likely to replicate a blast furnace off of half-remembered diagrams from first principles in a month, that isn't me expressing doubt but tenuous support of an idea - that is me politely telling you that that idea should be abandoned. I can be blunter if necessary, certainly.

[UniversalCommons]

I use the mechanics mainly for myself, so I can develop things over time instead of saying look everybody I have a giant balloon that go around the world in 80 days. Everyone will do things differently.

[Joohan]

Yeah, that's not what happened - rather I corrected Joohan's assumption about what the crossbows were. I've always portrayed them consistently - but misunderstandings like that are natural when working with text-only descriptions of complex topics.

I pointed out that the design you proposed wasn't practical, and having multiple nuts didn't make the drawing of the bow any faster or easier - suggesting instead just the standard use of a latchet crossbow and goats foot lever, both of which had historical precedent and which you already have the tech for.

[Joohan]

I don't want to add mechanics. I know that it is a pain for me and G to have to constantly crack down on unrealistic development all the time, but the price of supreme creativity is constant vigilance. I agree with Saxony's sentiment, in that turning this into a numbers game would kill a lot of the fun.

You are right though Plzn, in that some guidelines probably need to be established as a general ruleset for future development - a metric by which we can judge Author's actions on their realistic probability. I'll scheme and formulate something here in a little bit ( busy at the moment with Alamora's event, Orostan's event, Ah-lo-lai's interactions, and my own post ).

If we begin getting more players again, i'll probably invite another Co-op to help monitor Author activity.

Also, Plzn, you still intend on participating in the IC yes? Either as Clara or a new Author that is?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Yeah, that's not what happened - rather I corrected Joohan's assumption about what the crossbows were. I've always portrayed them consistently - but misunderstandings like that are natural when working with text-only descriptions of complex topics.

I pointed out that the design you proposed wasn't practical, and having multiple nuts didn't make the drawing of the bow any faster or easier - suggesting instead just the standard use of a latchet crossbow and goats foot lever, both of which had historical precedent and which you already have the tech for.

Hm, okay, I'll TG you to clear this up.

[Plzen]

Also, Plzn, you still intend on participating in the IC yes? Either as Clara or a new Author that is?

I know I promised a new application after the next timeskip, but to be honest I’m really not feeling up to it... starting over is an unappealing concept when it took me a year and a bit to reach the point I did. :P

Maybe I’ll put up a guest post or two for people who want them, but I don’t think I’ll be returning as a full participant in the near future.

[Orostan]

They also make the same mistakes with each other, for example G-tech just had to get rid of his crossbows because they weren’t possible.

Yeah, that's not what happened - rather I corrected Joohan's assumption about what the crossbows were. I've always portrayed them consistently - but misunderstandings like that are natural when working with text-only descriptions of complex topics.

When they do not I have to retcon stuff I posted last month and completely alter stuff they indicated was fine before.

A basic process of “player does a thing” followed by the mods reading that thing and deciding if it’s reasonable or not would solve my problem. When I make a mistake or go into something I want to know if it’s possible or not before I make ten posts building on it.

Your problem is that you need to stop taking silence as assent. Joohan and I are both old crotchety men who lead busy lives, and don't have the time or inclination to argue you down off of every post containing ground-shattering innovation. If I tell you that your Author isn't likely to replicate a blast furnace off of half-remembered diagrams from first principles in a month, that isn't me expressing doubt but tenuous support of an idea - that is me politely telling you that that idea should be abandoned. I can be blunter if necessary, certainly.

I specifically asked you if I could make low pressure boilers and you told me I could. You also read over my boiler posts once and raised no issues at the time.

Earlier you read over my iron posts and told me to correct the dates, so I did. You raised no issues with me having iron until later.

[Empire of Techkotal]

I have a simple question. Are we able to get the native diseases?

[Orostan]

I have a simple question. Are we able to get the native diseases?

No, our authors are immune to everything I think.

[Cainesland]

Sorry about the short post. I thought I should try to post something while I was able.

[Endem]

So, what happened to Gdansk, I feel like posting something tomorrow

[G-Tech Corporation]

So, what happened to Gdansk, I feel like posting something tomorrow

That’s largely up to you. It has, after all, been a five year timeskip. There’s probably latitude for expansion along the Baltic coast as an opportunist, and profiteering from the conflict that is wrapping up there.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Yeah, that's not what happened - rather I corrected Joohan's assumption about what the crossbows were. I've always portrayed them consistently - but misunderstandings like that are natural when working with text-only descriptions of complex topics.



Your problem is that you need to stop taking silence as assent. Joohan and I are both old crotchety men who lead busy lives, and don't have the time or inclination to argue you down off of every post containing ground-shattering innovation. If I tell you that your Author isn't likely to replicate a blast furnace off of half-remembered diagrams from first principles in a month, that isn't me expressing doubt but tenuous support of an idea - that is me politely telling you that that idea should be abandoned. I can be blunter if necessary, certainly.

I specifically asked you if I could make low pressure boilers and you told me I could. You also read over my boiler posts once and raised no issues at the time.

Earlier you read over my iron posts and told me to correct the dates, so I did. You raised no issues with me having iron until later.

You do understand that a low pressure boiler is literally just a barrel of metal with water heated inside of it, no? Anyone can make that from the present, presumably, given access to firewood and metal.

We had a discussion at length about the lack of iron deposits around Luoyang, and that they wouldn’t be being exploited or sited at this point in history. You posited placer deposits, which is a reasonable counterfactual. Given your Author can identify iron ore and is personally familiar with smelting techniques achievable in this era, I have no issue with him creating metallic iron. Whether or not those qualifications exist is a question for you, not me.

[Endem]

So, what happened to Gdansk, I feel like posting something tomorrow

That’s largely up to you. It has, after all, been a five year timeskip. There’s probably latitude for expansion along the Baltic coast as an opportunist, and profiteering from the conflict that is wrapping up there.

Wait, so there's been a time skip after all, which year are we in?

[G-Tech Corporation]

That’s largely up to you. It has, after all, been a five year timeskip. There’s probably latitude for expansion along the Baltic coast as an opportunist, and profiteering from the conflict that is wrapping up there.

Wait, so there's been a time skip after all, which year are we in?

2975 BCE. The timeskip was over a month ago, but I don’t recall you posting since then.

[Orostan]

I specifically asked you if I could make low pressure boilers and you told me I could. You also read over my boiler posts once and raised no issues at the time.

Earlier you read over my iron posts and told me to correct the dates, so I did. You raised no issues with me having iron until later.

You do understand that a low pressure boiler is literally just a barrel of metal with water heated inside of it, no? Anyone can make that from the present, presumably, given access to firewood and metal.

We had a discussion at length about the lack of iron deposits around Luoyang, and that they wouldn’t be being exploited or sited at this point in history. You posited placer deposits, which is a reasonable counterfactual. Given your Author can identify iron ore and is personally familiar with smelting techniques achievable in this era, I have no issue with him creating metallic iron. Whether or not those qualifications exist is a question for you, not me.

Alright I’m glad we have the iron ore thing cleared up for sure now.

If I develop sealants for boilers, will I be able to use iron boilers to generate a small amount of power?

[UniversalCommons]

We are still waiting for you to get to Oak so we can trade with Gdansk and help create ways to take advantage of Europe secretly.

[Ralnis]

Are we in the timeskip now?