New Civilizations (2nd Era, OOC, Always Open )

[Reatra]

I voted short time skip.

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Well, my original idea for Clara and the Commonwealth was a clash between industrial ideals and an early agrarian society. People of the Neolithic re-interpreting Clara’s idea of progress to suit their Neolithic outlook and the incompatibilities that causes. Clara trying to slowly drag the Commonwealth into a modern parliamentary democracy, having to fight the very nature of the society she leads every painful stop of the way as the country violently lurches this way and that as many nascent democracies did and even in the 21st Century still do.

I didn’t really expect foreign intervention; Viktor’s Imperium is forcing me to spend far more of my IC posts on military development, technological advancement, and territorial expansion than I ever really intended to.

That's an interesting political conflict. Is capitalism fully established in the Commonwealth, or are you lingering around slave society?

iirc theyre more of a communal set up, as I don't think Scandinavia had been penetrated by Neolithic groups by 3000 BCE (well, Neolithic groups that brought agriculture). So the Commonwealth is probably a glorified network of horticultural villages by now (then again, I don't think a single Author state except one in Mesopotamia is more than that anyway, it's only been a generation, max )

So overall a similar-ish situation to California, but, probably less people but more "international" (whatever that means in this age) trade (and more warfare lol)

aaaaaaay

Currently I've been using modern geography. The Yellow River is crazy and moved every few hundred years until relatively recently so I've set aside my idea of trying to play in actual geography for the time period. It's great to see at least someone trying to play with the ancient geography.

lol well I understand not everyone is as enthralled in the history of the place they landed in as I am haha, there's a good reason I go for California in these RPs, the more I research the more convinced I am it's, frankly kinda perfect for the premise. That said, Egypt was also a close one, because if American crops are playing agriculture on easy mode, then Nile silt is playing with cheat codes enabled

[Reatra]

As for the poll, if the majority vote for "not 35 year timeskip" then it prolly shouldn't happen imo, instead being between the first couple options. That said I'm up for whatever, I'll have a LOT of free time soon to hash stuff out.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

I'm with g - and voted for no timeskip.

[Joohan]

I voted short time skip.

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Well, my original idea for Clara and the Commonwealth was a clash between industrial ideals and an early agrarian society. People of the Neolithic re-interpreting Clara’s idea of progress to suit their Neolithic outlook and the incompatibilities that causes. Clara trying to slowly drag the Commonwealth into a modern parliamentary democracy, having to fight the very nature of the society she leads every painful stop of the way as the country violently lurches this way and that as many nascent democracies did and even in the 21st Century still do.

I didn’t really expect foreign intervention; Viktor’s Imperium is forcing me to spend far more of my IC posts on military development, technological advancement, and territorial expansion than I ever really intended to.

How have things changed culture wise? I imagine that constant wars have definitely shifted their initial outlooks on democracy and egalitarianism

[Orostan]

I'm, of course, voting for no time skip. Mainly because nearly every polity hasn't even begun exploring the effects of the last time skip, so moving forward again seems mightly counterproductive. We still have plenty of talking to do about how Sumeria is fairing, the breakup of the Commonwealth, the European disasters, war in Egypt, the issues facing the Yellow River State, and more before I would feel comfortable considering a move forward.

I was wondering if you were going to use the Yellow River in an event in my territory. I've been thinking that a big early infrastructure project could be water control along the river.

[Plzen]

How have things changed culture wise? I imagine that constant wars have definitely shifted their initial outlooks on democracy and egalitarianism

Well, no, not really. Hostility against the Imperium - a monarchical power - reinforced Scandinavia’s faith in democracy and egalitarianism as things that make them different (and therefore superior) to the Continental Germans.

It’s just that now there is a big nationalist spin on the concept now. The ideal of the Upstanding Dignified Nordic Citizen(tm).

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The Californian more or less has the gist of it; the Commonwealth doesn’t have enough of an economy or social institutions to make a properly capitalist economy even possible.

[Reatra]

How have things changed culture wise? I imagine that constant wars have definitely shifted their initial outlooks on democracy and egalitarianism

Well, no, not really. Hostility against the Imperium - a monarchical power - reinforced Scandinavia’s faith in democracy and egalitarianism as things that make them different (and therefore superior) to the Continental Germans.

It’s just that now there is a big nationalist spin on the concept now. The ideal of the Upstanding Dignified Nordic Citizen(tm).

Critical Support to the Norse Struggle for Self-Determination against the Indo-European Menace

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

As for insight - I realized very early on - perhaps with my first author before I abandoned her - I do not have the physical ability just to write about my civilization from a cold, mechanical lens. Idk how yall do it - it amazes me - because the reams and reams of paper I need to fill to keep up posting quality leaves me uninspired with empire building. Ergo - I've found it most fun to engage in experiments of what ifs, wonder how the world would shape me if I lived in it, and debating philosophy with whoever I meet. I originally thought Olivia would be some sort of Arab nationalist queen Mauve type figure, but as I realized the cruelty needed to actually build an empire, and how drastically averse I am to violence and being a dick, I found it harder and harder to say she would become this figure who was successful in this time. Ultimately, therefore, I tried to work on my civ as if "success" was far different to map painting, or tech rushing (because I irl am a dumbass) - but instead to I guess a kind of self-cultivation where I make the people's lives as best as feasible, and play a flawed person trying to do that.

[Alaroma]

I'm, of course, voting for no time skip. Mainly because nearly every polity hasn't even begun exploring the effects of the last time skip, so moving forward again seems mightly counterproductive. We still have plenty of talking to do about how Sumeria is fairing, the breakup of the Commonwealth, the European disasters, war in Egypt, the issues facing the Yellow River State, and more before I would feel comfortable considering a move forward.

What’s going on in Egypt?

[Joohan]

As for insight - I realized very early on - perhaps with my first author before I abandoned her - I do not have the physical ability just to write about my civilization from a cold, mechanical lens. Idk how yall do it - it amazes me - because the reams and reams of paper I need to fill to keep up posting quality leaves me uninspired with empire building. Ergo - I've found it most fun to engage in experiments of what ifs, wonder how the world would shape me if I lived in it, and debating philosophy with whoever I meet. I originally thought Olivia would be some sort of Arab nationalist queen Mauve type figure, but as I realized the cruelty needed to actually build an empire, and how drastically averse I am to violence and being a dick, I found it harder and harder to say she would become this figure who was successful in this time. Ultimately, therefore, I tried to work on my civ as if "success" was far different to map painting, or tech rushing (because I irl am a dumbass) - but instead to I guess a kind of self-cultivation where I make the people's lives as best as feasible, and play a flawed person trying to do that.

The desert wearsthe strongest stone to sand. Beauty wrought from brutality, all things change.

[Joohan]

I'm, of course, voting for no time skip. Mainly because nearly every polity hasn't even begun exploring the effects of the last time skip, so moving forward again seems mightly counterproductive. We still have plenty of talking to do about how Sumeria is fairing, the breakup of the Commonwealth, the European disasters, war in Egypt, the issues facing the Yellow River State, and more before I would feel comfortable considering a move forward.

What’s going on in Egypt?

Siwan Emperot and the ISIS cult is becoming more complex in its ritual and clergy

[Alaroma]

As for insight - I realized very early on - perhaps with my first author before I abandoned her - I do not have the physical ability just to write about my civilization from a cold, mechanical lens. Idk how yall do it - it amazes me - because the reams and reams of paper I need to fill to keep up posting quality leaves me uninspired with empire building. Ergo - I've found it most fun to engage in experiments of what ifs, wonder how the world would shape me if I lived in it, and debating philosophy with whoever I meet. I originally thought Olivia would be some sort of Arab nationalist queen Mauve type figure, but as I realized the cruelty needed to actually build an empire, and how drastically averse I am to violence and being a dick, I found it harder and harder to say she would become this figure who was successful in this time. Ultimately, therefore, I tried to work on my civ as if "success" was far different to map painting, or tech rushing (because I irl am a dumbass) - but instead to I guess a kind of self-cultivation where I make the people's lives as best as feasible, and play a flawed person trying to do that.

Imagine being averse to violence, couldn’t be me.

Which is a hell of a tale considering IRL I’m very averse to state organized violence due to my religious leanings, but I can readily see me put that on the back burner without a few things, that being my support Community, my family, etc.

[Joohan]

Well, no, not really. Hostility against the Imperium - a monarchical power - reinforced Scandinavia’s faith in democracy and egalitarianism as things that make them different (and therefore superior) to the Continental Germans.

It’s just that now there is a big nationalist spin on the concept now. The ideal of the Upstanding Dignified Nordic Citizen(tm).

Critical Support to the Norse Struggle for Self-Determination against the Indo-European Menace

Sounds like the beginning of Nordic racism. If anyone would have a justified prejudice, its them

[Reatra]

As for insight - I realized very early on - perhaps with my first author before I abandoned her - I do not have the physical ability just to write about my civilization from a cold, mechanical lens. Idk how yall do it - it amazes me - because the reams and reams of paper I need to fill to keep up posting quality leaves me uninspired with empire building. Ergo - I've found it most fun to engage in experiments of what ifs, wonder how the world would shape me if I lived in it, and debating philosophy with whoever I meet. I originally thought Olivia would be some sort of Arab nationalist queen Mauve type figure, but as I realized the cruelty needed to actually build an empire, and how drastically averse I am to violence and being a dick, I found it harder and harder to say she would become this figure who was successful in this time. Ultimately, therefore, I tried to work on my civ as if "success" was far different to map painting, or tech rushing (because I irl am a dumbass) - but instead to I guess a kind of self-cultivation where I make the people's lives as best as feasible, and play a flawed person trying to do that.

I hella know wym, I will admit a lot of what I've written feels rushed or like it's only for the technology or whatever, but only because I couldn't type fast and long enough to fit in all my ideas in my head! I honestly wish I felt like I had the time to do the character development I wanted, but it feels like if I don't talk about how many experiments were done with iron or whatever that it will be rejected in the OOC and all the effort for nothing, etc.

[Reatra]

Critical Support to the Norse Struggle for Self-Determination against the Indo-European Menace

Sounds like the beginning of Nordic racism. If anyone would have a justified prejudice, its them

We'll see. Maybe chauvinism but I doubt the Commonwealth will be in any position to oppress Indo-Europeans (or, frankly, see them as anything like a united people. This is the era where every few kilometers is a different dialect, after all)

[Orostan]

As for insight - I realized very early on - perhaps with my first author before I abandoned her - I do not have the physical ability just to write about my civilization from a cold, mechanical lens. Idk how yall do it - it amazes me - because the reams and reams of paper I need to fill to keep up posting quality leaves me uninspired with empire building. Ergo - I've found it most fun to engage in experiments of what ifs, wonder how the world would shape me if I lived in it, and debating philosophy with whoever I meet. I originally thought Olivia would be some sort of Arab nationalist queen Mauve type figure, but as I realized the cruelty needed to actually build an empire, and how drastically averse I am to violence and being a dick, I found it harder and harder to say she would become this figure who was successful in this time. Ultimately, therefore, I tried to work on my civ as if "success" was far different to map painting, or tech rushing (because I irl am a dumbass) - but instead to I guess a kind of self-cultivation where I make the people's lives as best as feasible, and play a flawed person trying to do that.

I hella know wym, I will admit a lot of what I've written feels rushed or like it's only for the technology or whatever, but only because I couldn't type fast and long enough to fit in all my ideas in my head! I honestly wish I felt like I had the time to do the character development I wanted, but it feels like if I don't talk about how many experiments were done with iron or whatever that it will be rejected in the OOC and all the effort for nothing, etc.

I try and incorporate character development and technology. Whenever I'm doing something I try to have my author think a few things about it and wonder about the effects of it.

This is the era where every few kilometers is a different dialect, after all

Not if THE STATE has something to say about it!

[Joohan]

I hella know wym, I will admit a lot of what I've written feels rushed or like it's only for the technology or whatever, but only because I couldn't type fast and long enough to fit in all my ideas in my head! I honestly wish I felt like I had the time to do the character development I wanted, but it feels like if I don't talk about how many experiments were done with iron or whatever that it will be rejected in the OOC and all the effort for nothing, etc.

I try and incorporate character development and technology. Whenever I'm doing something I try to have my author think a few things about it and wonder about the effects of it.

This is the era where every few kilometers is a different dialect, after all

Not if THE STATE has something to say about it!

What is the current state of... what are you guys called again?

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

Imagine being averse to violence, couldn’t be me.

Which is a hell of a tale considering IRL I’m very averse to state organized violence due to my religious leanings, but I can readily see me put that on the back burner without a few things, that being my support Community, my family, etc.

Absofuckinglutely I get that. However I think what drew the line was the distinction between imposing violence on those not directly threatening you and self defense. I've had long philosophical discord chats with g on if expansionism and exploitation in our authors shoes are justified, and every time I keep falling back to - that even forcing neighboring villages to tributary states is unjustified - even if they would materially improve because of it. But then again the pressures of her society force her to a, make exceptions to the rule, and b, become needlessly cruel when she CAN justify it - such as killing wounded enemies who came to raid her town.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

I try and incorporate character development and technology. Whenever I'm doing something I try to have my author think a few things about it and wonder about the effects of it.




kievan rus with slavic characteristics
Not if THE STATE has something to say about it!

What is the current state of... what are you guys called again?

[Orostan]

I try and incorporate character development and technology. Whenever I'm doing something I try to have my author think a few things about it and wonder about the effects of it.



Not if THE STATE has something to say about it!

What is the current state of... what are you guys called again?

The People's Government of China is developing basic iron industry and irrigation systems as well as maritime travel. I'm also going to be making public education a thing soon and turning the constitution from a rough outline of the state into an actual legal foundation for the government as well as starting the construction of a big government center that will take more than a year to complete.

In the RP time I've been using winter is starting right now so I will also probably be trying to develop a heating system for a few warehouses I might turn into communal kitchens as well.

[Reatra]

Imagine being averse to violence, couldn’t be me.

Which is a hell of a tale considering IRL I’m very averse to state organized violence due to my religious leanings, but I can readily see me put that on the back burner without a few things, that being my support Community, my family, etc.

Absofuckinglutely I get that. However I think what drew the line was the distinction between imposing violence on those not directly threatening you and self defense. I've had long philosophical discord chats with g on if expansionism and exploitation in our authors shoes are justified, and every time I keep falling back to - that even forcing neighboring villages to tributary states is unjustified - even if they would materially improve because of it. But then again the pressures of her society force her to a, make exceptions to the rule, and b, become needlessly cruel when she CAN justify it - such as killing wounded enemies who came to raid her town.

Helllllllllllllllllllla, especially in this era, unless you somehow inherit the Kingdom of Egypt or whatever, you have no reason to want to start forming an empire except egomania lol. The vaaaaaast majority of the world doesn't have organized warfare or states or chauvinism beyond a village nextdoor, why would you form that yourself? etc etc

[Joohan]

What is the current state of... what are you guys called again?

The People's Government of China is developing basic iron industry and irrigation systems as well as maritime travel. I'm also going to be making public education a thing soon and turning the constitution from a rough outline of the state into an actual legal foundation for the government as well as starting the construction of a big government center that will take more than a year to complete.

In the RP time I've been using winter is starting right now so I will also probably be trying to develop a heating system for a few warehouses I might turn into communal kitchens as well.

Why keep the name china?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Absofuckinglutely I get that. However I think what drew the line was the distinction between imposing violence on those not directly threatening you and self defense. I've had long philosophical discord chats with g on if expansionism and exploitation in our authors shoes are justified, and every time I keep falling back to - that even forcing neighboring villages to tributary states is unjustified - even if they would materially improve because of it. But then again the pressures of her society force her to a, make exceptions to the rule, and b, become needlessly cruel when she CAN justify it - such as killing wounded enemies who came to raid her town.

Helllllllllllllllllllla, especially in this era, unless you somehow inherit the Kingdom of Egypt or whatever, you have no reason to want to start forming an empire except egomania lol. The vaaaaaast majority of the world doesn't have organized warfare or states or chauvinism beyond a village nextdoor, why would you form that yourself? etc etc

Well, duh.

[Lord Dominator]

Helllllllllllllllllllla, especially in this era, unless you somehow inherit the Kingdom of Egypt or whatever, you have no reason to want to start forming an empire except egomania lol. The vaaaaaast majority of the world doesn't have organized warfare or states or chauvinism beyond a village nextdoor, why would you form that yourself? etc etc

Well, duh.

Egomania is a great reason for doing things

nods

[G-Tech Corporation]

Well, duh.

Egomania is a great reason for doing things

nods

Drag humanity kicking and screaming into a better world. Don't mind the highway paved with bodies behind us.