New Civilizations (2nd Era, OOC, Always Open )

[UniversalCommons]

Hand Snake will stare you down.

[Alaroma]

Makes sense.

By "Normal people" and just living their lives you mean *this section of comment was censored*

And by "Cringe! Cringe!" you mean "back in my day, we didn't have all these fancy newfangled gizmos like 'free thinking'. Back then if you wanted an 'open mind' you'd have to get a lobotomy with a rusted old chainsaw" (grumbles *damnmillenialsandtheir'humanrights'andtheirunstagnantculture* )

Actually stagnant tbh.

Imma take the equality, but brutally execute the dumb stuff. When everyone is equal, no need to worry about destabilizing shit like (((free love))).

Go home liberal, we don’t need your ideological prattling.

In all seriousness, authors gonna do what authors gonna do.

[Orostan]

By "Normal people" and just living their lives you mean *this section of comment was censored*

And by "Cringe! Cringe!" you mean "back in my day, we didn't have all these fancy newfangled gizmos like 'free thinking'. Back then if you wanted an 'open mind' you'd have to get a lobotomy with a rusted old chainsaw" (grumbles *damnmillenialsandtheir'humanrights'andtheirunstagnantculture* )

Actually stagnant tbh.

Imma take the equality, but brutally execute the dumb stuff. When everyone is equal, no need to worry about destabilizing shit like (((free love))).

Go home liberal, we don’t need your ideological prattling.

In all seriousness, authors gonna do what authors gonna do.

so how much will you whine when i execute a christian

[Plzen]

so how much will you whine when i execute a christian

It has been stated policy of those roleplayers with Christian proselytising authors in this roleplay that behaviour not in line with their particular interpretation of morality by a foreign state constitutes actionable casus belli.

So, to answer your question, probably a great deal.

[Alaroma]

Actually stagnant tbh.

Imma take the equality, but brutally execute the dumb stuff. When everyone is equal, no need to worry about destabilizing shit like (((free love))).

Go home liberal, we don’t need your ideological prattling.

In all seriousness, authors gonna do what authors gonna do.

so how much will you whine when i execute a christian

Pretty heavily. I don’t kill dissidents, so I’d have a right to be mad.

[Holy Tedalonia]

so how much will you whine when i execute a christian

It has been stated policy of those roleplayers with Christian proselytising authors in this roleplay that behaviour not in line with their particular interpretation of morality by a foreign state constitutes actionable casus belli.

So, to answer your question, probably a great deal.

Hibernia is the best non-christian state, simply because their cool and hip enough to not pull bullshit shenanigans. A anti-christianity state is just as bad as any crusader state.

[Alaroma]

It has been stated policy of those roleplayers with Christian proselytising authors in this roleplay that behaviour not in line with their particular interpretation of morality by a foreign state constitutes actionable casus belli.

So, to answer your question, probably a great deal.

Hibernia is the best non-christian state, simply because their cool and hip enough to not pull bullshit shenanigans. A anti-christianity state is just as bad as any crusader state.

The Christian States are objectively not even crusader states either. It’s anti Christian states spazing out.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Hibernia is the best non-christian state, simply because their cool and hip enough to not pull bullshit shenanigans. A anti-christianity state is just as bad as any crusader state.

The Christian States are objectively not even crusader states either. It’s anti Christian states spazing out.

Oh definitely, I mean the only crusader state I consider was the imperium in new Civs first RP. And that, if I recall was because of warmongering pagans or something.

[Nuxipal]

Hibernia is the best non-christian state, simply because their cool and hip enough to not pull bullshit shenanigans. A anti-christianity state is just as bad as any crusader state.

The Christian States are objectively not even crusader states either. It’s anti Christian states spazing out.

You say anti-christian state like its an actual thing. There are just non-christian states that don't want you spreading your religion there. That's not anti-christian, that's just looking out for their own people. Honestly though, if you want an anti-christian state you can have an NPC nation rise up near you as a reaction to the more christian policies being put into effect. Or a civil war between pro-christian and anti-christian groups within your civilization.

[Kelmet]

The Christian States are objectively not even crusader states either. It’s anti Christian states spazing out.

You say anti-christian state like its an actual thing. There are just non-christian states that don't want you spreading your religion there. That's not anti-christian, that's just looking out for their own people. Honestly though, if you want an anti-christian state you can have an NPC nation rise up near you as a reaction to the more christian policies being put into effect. Or a civil war between pro-christian and anti-christian groups within your civilization.

In this rp an anti-christian state is a thing.
They don't just want Christianity to remain outside its borders, they actively hunt and kill Christians in their nation.

[Ah-eh-ioh-uh]

The Christian States are objectively not even crusader states either. It’s anti Christian states spazing out.

You say anti-christian state like its an actual thing. There are just non-christian states that don't want you spreading your religion there. That's not anti-christian, that's just looking out for their own people. Honestly though, if you want an anti-christian state you can have an NPC nation rise up near you as a reaction to the more christian policies being put into effect. Or a civil war between pro-christian and anti-christian groups within your civilization.

It would be rather interesting for a civilization to ONLY be anti Christian. If your going to ANTI something, you might benefit from being PRO something, maybe whatever the opposite is. If my civ somehow ends up being very anti Christian, it's probably because they are so PRO pagan. I'd rather have something to fight FOR as well if I'm going to be fighting AGAINST something else.

[Bortslovakia]

OH FUCK

WE FORGOT TO SING HAPPY BIRTHDAY

[Orostan]

so how much will you whine when i execute a christian

Pretty heavily. I don’t kill dissidents, so I’d have a right to be mad.

>i will brutally execute the dumb stuff
>but i don't kill dissidents
ok

I'd have a right to be mad if christianity starts to mess around with China. Like I said before, a missionary religion like Christianity is inherently destabilizing to a country like China.

[Endem]

Unrelated, we are 1/5 through the OOC

[UniversalCommons]

If you follow the law codes and don't cause trouble, we are not worried about you. If you attack another religions priests or destroy religious statuary or break rules about property and violence we will certainly take care of things based on precedent. Some time in the mines, on the road crews, doing penance, paying fines, etc. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. If you stand up in the public squares and scream for hours about devils and threaten people with hell and curse people that would be causing a public disturbance. If you preach quietly, we don't care.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

If you follow the law codes and don't cause trouble, we are not worried about you. If you attack another religions priests or destroy religious statuary or break rules about property and violence we will certainly take care of things based on precedent. Some time in the mines, on the road crews, doing penance, paying fines, etc. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. If you stand up in the public squares and scream for hours about devils and threaten people with hell and curse people that would be causing a public disturbance. If you preach quietly, we don't care.

How does property change between people in your legal code?

[Holy Tedalonia]

You say anti-christian state like its an actual thing. There are just non-christian states that don't want you spreading your religion there. That's not anti-christian, that's just looking out for their own people. Honestly though, if you want an anti-christian state you can have an NPC nation rise up near you as a reaction to the more christian policies being put into effect. Or a civil war between pro-christian and anti-christian groups within your civilization.

It would be rather interesting for a civilization to ONLY be anti Christian. If your going to ANTI something, you might benefit from being PRO something, maybe whatever the opposite is. If my civ somehow ends up being very anti Christian, it's probably because they are so PRO pagan. I'd rather have something to fight FOR as well if I'm going to be fighting AGAINST something else.

Anti-christian was the wrong word. I considered using aetheist state, but I felt like that didn't describe the anti-theology factor enough, and with some authors implied biasness to a certain religion. It was all too tempting. Hardliner Aetheist State would probably be better way to describe it.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

If you follow the law codes and don't cause trouble, we are not worried about you. If you attack another religions priests or destroy religious statuary or break rules about property and violence we will certainly take care of things based on precedent. Some time in the mines, on the road crews, doing penance, paying fines, etc. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. If you stand up in the public squares and scream for hours about devils and threaten people with hell and curse people that would be causing a public disturbance. If you preach quietly, we don't care.

How does property change between people in your legal code?

This question is aimed at everyone with a legal code who wants to answer it, by the way!

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

How does property change between people in your legal code?

This question is aimed at everyone with a legal code who wants to answer it, by the way!

Consent, need, and duty. You have a duty to only take your share of the harvest, you can only consent to trade, you have a duty to keep your prices low and reasonable, yoy have a duty to take care of the poor

[UniversalCommons]

If you follow the law codes and don't cause trouble, we are not worried about you. If you attack another religions priests or destroy religious statuary or break rules about property and violence we will certainly take care of things based on precedent. Some time in the mines, on the road crews, doing penance, paying fines, etc. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. If you stand up in the public squares and scream for hours about devils and threaten people with hell and curse people that would be causing a public disturbance. If you preach quietly, we don't care.

How does property change between people in your legal code?

It is by a transfer document in the courts much like the Ancient Egyptians or an assertion of community witness. The matriarch or the patriarch in the family would decide. Like today, there would be disputes between family members. We copied some of the Egyptian laws early to fill in holes to our codes. This is why we send out people to be counted and ask where their property is for both tax and inheritance reasons. However, there are other types of property temple or organizational lands which can be owned by a temple or organization. There is also some property in common-- like the community gardens, the House of Scholars, and a few other things. Certain natural resources are considered to be the property of the state and are under long term management-- stewardship.

There is no lawyer in this case. The case is presided over by a scholar and a warrior who is there to help enforce the case. Also community members can be called to serve as witnesses. The precedings are often public. Bearing false witness is treated harshly as being dishonorable.

[Orostan]

If you follow the law codes and don't cause trouble, we are not worried about you. If you attack another religions priests or destroy religious statuary or break rules about property and violence we will certainly take care of things based on precedent. Some time in the mines, on the road crews, doing penance, paying fines, etc. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. If you stand up in the public squares and scream for hours about devils and threaten people with hell and curse people that would be causing a public disturbance. If you preach quietly, we don't care.

How does property change between people in your legal code?

There will be no private property or monetary exchange within my bit of China for purposes other than external trade, but personal property changes hands if all parties consent freely and nothing else.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

This question is aimed at everyone with a legal code who wants to answer it, by the way!

Consent, need, and duty. You have a duty to only take your share of the harvest, you can only consent to trade, you have a duty to keep your prices low and reasonable, yoy have a duty to take care of the poor

Yes, but when a trade happens, do you just need to shake hands? Or is there something else required? And if you trade something which you are not allowed to trade, does the trade then lose its legal value?

How does property change between people in your legal code?

It is by a transfer document in the courts much like the Ancient Egyptians or an assertion of community witness. The matriarch or the patriarch in the family would decide. Like today, there would be disputes between family members. We copied some of the Egyptian laws early to fill in holes to our codes. This is why we send out people to be counted and ask where their property is for both tax and inheritance reasons. However, there are other types of property temple or organizational lands which can be owned by a temple or organization. There is also some property in common-- like the community gardens, the House of Scholars, and a few other things. Certain natural resources are considered to be the property of the state and are under long term management-- stewardship.

There is no lawyer in this case. The case is presided over by a scholar and a warrior who is there to help enforce the case. Also community members can be called to serve as witnesses. The precedings are often public. Bearing false witness is treated harshly as being dishonorable.

Do you need a court for every transfer of property? Or only for real property? It seems a bit of a hassle to have to go to court every time you buy bread, for instance.

If there is no lawyer, how do the parties know what proceedings are required?

How does property change between people in your legal code?

There will be no private property or monetary exchange within my bit of China for purposes other than external trade, but personal property changes hands if all parties consent freely and nothing else.

Does your system allow for donations? Or does just the giving party need to consent?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The reason I am asking all of these questions is twofold: on one hand, I am really curious how each legal system works. But on the other hand, I wish to remind everyone that law can be very complex, and people not trained in law are going to make mistakes while drafting a legal code. Creating law out of thin air as someone untrained in law is very difficult, and will have unforeseen consequences.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

Consent, need, and duty. You have a duty to only take your share of the harvest, you can only consent to trade, you have a duty to keep your prices low and reasonable, yoy have a duty to take care of the poor

Yes, but when a trade happens, do you just need to shake hands? Or is there something else required? And if you trade something which you are not allowed to trade, does the trade then lose its legal value?

All you need to do is shake hands, and, incase of a dispute, have a witness. Almost nothing is not allowed to be traded, except for humans, and stolen goods. Inwhich case... it is not trade because humans are not property. Human's LABOR, yes, can be, but in such case they arent selling themselves, but rather, joining that person's household for a certain ammt of time. If the goods are stolen, and enough witnesses are found, the property is taken by someone designated by the arbiter to be given back to the owner, and some sort of damages are paid in reparation.

[Orostan]

Does your system allow for donations? Or does just the giving party need to consent?

Donations are fine, those are considered gifts and there’s no regulations on those because both involved parties will be consenting to the exchange. Besides that donations for charity aren’t necessary because everyone is guaranteed food and shelter from the public stock if it can be provided.