New Civilizations (2nd Era, OOC, Always Open )

[Plzen]

This sort of rubbish is why I openly stated right from my author application way back in spring last year that this roleplay would benefit from some definite mechanical constraints.

This is a scenario without precedents, and so it was just completely inevitable that we all have radically different ideas of what is "realistic" or "plausible." In such a scenario there either needs to be harsh mechanical guidelines to make sure everyone is playing by the same rules, or the original poster has to be both zealous and diligent with hammering everyone into his vision of "plausible" regardless of what anyone else says.

Neither has been true in this roleplay to date. I still remember what a drawn-out nightmare it was (is, as a matter of fact, because how many people does California have right now again) just to get everyone to standardise something as basic as their population. Good luck doing that for something as complex as technological progress or social stability.

You’re the OP in this roleplay, Joohan. This is kind of your responsibility.

[3rdBritan]

-snip-.

why do i want guns but still agree with you?

[Joohan]

This sort of rubbish is why I openly stated right from my author application way back in spring last year that this roleplay would benefit from some definite mechanical constraints.

This is a scenario without precedents, and so it was just completely inevitable that we all have radically different ideas of what is "realistic" or "plausible." In such a scenario there either needs to be harsh mechanical guidelines to make sure everyone is playing by the same rules, or the original poster has to be both zealous and diligent with hammering everyone into his vision of "plausible" regardless of what anyone else says.

Neither has been true in this roleplay to date. I still remember what a drawn-out nightmare it was (is, as a matter of fact, because how many people does California have right now again) just to get everyone to standardise something as basic as their population. Good luck doing that for something as complex as technological progress.

... I have been lenient haven't I? I usually permit quite a bit of leeway in terms of debating ones point - as I've found just out and out bringing down the OP hammer to be extremely dissatisfying to most people.

But you do have a point. A bit of despotism is perhaps needed then.

[Plzen]

IC post is up! As usual, commentary and feedback is welcome.

Growing settlements find that it's not as easy to reach a consensus with so many more people, resentment against Imperial depredations along the coast increases, the Commonwealth achieves rudimentary unpowered flight, and the Sami send their first delegates to the National Assembly.

[Bortslovakia]

Hmmm yes, this is why you tried to bamboozle your way into cannons the moment someone mentioned guns seriously IC. It was restraint you see!

...yes?

And the reason why any development at all was only mentioned once others began it, as I’ve explained before.

Though, I admit, that becomes far less an interesting issue if we go from blackpowder to functional firearms over a single timeskip. The Imperium, by dint of some... interesting byproducts of her chemical processes, has access to options on that front which can make the firearms debate very spicy quite rapidly.

Glad to see you've ignored absolutely everything I've said on the topic.

Vaguely hinting at black powder development once is not equivalent to actively writing on a topic.

Suddenly going from nothing to cannons in one post is powergaming.

Using meta knowledge to justify said post is blatant metagaming.

Taking advantage of a delay in the timeskip to shove it in last minute is powergaming (something you at least acknowledged, even if you've yet to correct it)

Vaguely hinting at some secret plan means nothing. Unless Viktor can make smokeless powder (which I doubt, else why even bother with black powder?), it comes off as pure posturing.

The very fact that you're ignoring seven irl months of writing on the topic, and attribute everything to a single timeskip is incredibly annoying. I put the time and effort in because I understand the implications of introducing firearms. We've had people in the past try one liners, and they were rightly shut down. So I took my time, made my intentions clear, and put in the work. That includes the process of making the powder, industrialization of said process, application, discussion of potential uses, and now, with the help of Issac, the deployment of actual weapons.

It took seven months, multiple timeskips, and two authors to even make black powder weaponry practical. I feel it's not asking too much that people put in at least the barest minimum of effort instead of collectively freaking out and trying to catch up in singular posts.

[3rdBritan]

ive got a plan for a copper box that can be used to deploy troops safely on the battle field and/or Guerrilla attacks
It is just a copper box with a fine layer of grass covering the top
it has slits throughout and is not a vehicle
is it ok?
troops move around bye supporting it from the inside

[Joohan]

What Borts said is true G. If another Author tried doing what you did, and listed what you claimed as justifiable proof of their development in the background - I'd shoot the very notion down.

Borts showed struggle and drive towards the development of gunpowder through numerous IC posts. Viktor, did not.

[Joohan]

ive got a plan for a copper box that can be used to deploy troops safely on the battle field and/or Guerrilla attacks
It is just a copper box with a fine layer of grass covering the top
it has slits throughout and is not a vehicle
is it ok?
troops move around bye supporting it from the inside

You mean a tortoise formation? Only heavier, more expensive, and less easily transported?

[3rdBritan]

ive got a plan for a copper box that can be used to deploy troops safely on the battle field and/or Guerrilla attacks
It is just a copper box with a fine layer of grass covering the top
it has slits throughout and is not a vehicle
is it ok?
troops move around bye supporting it from the inside

You mean a tortoise formation? Only heavier, more expensive, and less easily transported?

a actual copper box, so you objects like oil and large stone that are not catapult worthy can not seep or puncture through
however the legs are the greatest weakness, if you take out the four supporting people it is stationary for the rest of the battle
it has a dirt layering over the top for guerrilla attacks as these will be stationed all across the country

[Bortslovakia]

What Borts said is true G. If another Author tried doing what you did, and listed what you claimed as justifiable proof of their development in the background - I'd shoot the very notion down.

Borts showed struggle and drive towards the development of gunpowder through numerous IC posts. Viktor, did not.

Sweet (if only a little bias) validation.

It's also 5:00 AM here, and I'm ill. I'll check in tomorrow... later today... whatever

[3rdBritan]

i hope that explains things
V1 is the one i am currently researching V2 will happen when i get into a war on the Imperiums side

[Plzen]

That is an... ah, unique spelling of “camouflage.”

On a less pointlessly-nitpicky note, I am not sure what advantage you expect to derive by driving this contraption that cannot be achieved from just having copper-armoured heavy infantry, who would be cheaper to arm, more maneuverable, and have a heavier weight of fire.

[3rdBritan]

That is an... ah, unique spelling of “camouflage.”

On a less pointlessly-nitpicky note, I am not sure what advantage you expect to derive by driving this contraption that cannot be achieved from just having copper-armoured heavy infantry, who would be cheaper to arm, more maneuverable, and have a heavier weight of fire.

i am trying to make a defensive fortification that does not need a year to build, you just send them off and they set up in 20 min
the V2 when i help imperium is were i make the tech to throw at imperium so he trusts me

mind you if i throw it it will hurt
But it is so big if you move it in forests it will fail spectaculary

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You mean a tortoise formation? Only heavier, more expensive, and less easily transported?

a actual copper box, so you objects like oil and large stone that are not catapult worthy can not seep or puncture through
however the legs are the greatest weakness, if you take out the four supporting people it is stationary for the rest of the battle
it has a dirt layering over the top for guerrilla attacks as these will be stationed all across the country

Do you know what happens with a copper box when you:

1) Pour something moderately hot on it?
2) Leave it in the sun?

[3rdBritan]

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1) Pour something moderately hot on it?
2) Leave it in the sun?

1)Boils and hurts the people inside?
2) Layer of Dirt is a perfect de insulator

[3rdBritan]

i have ideas for a Cold climate forest combat Killer Tank that shoots 40 m

[Plzen]

i have ideas for a Cold climate forest combat Killer Tank that shoots 40 m

Forest combat, you say.

That sounds like a threat to the Commonwealth.

[3rdBritan]

i have ideas for a Cold climate forest combat Killer Tank that shoots 40 m

Forest combat, you say.

a very small two man tank with a smaller ballisata that can go quite fast due to it being small V3

[Ah-eh-ioh-uh]

Shinji's japan : learning flanking maneuvers


Also Shinji's japan : what is an archer?

[3rdBritan]

i have ideas for a Cold climate forest combat Killer Tank that shoots 40 m

Forest combat, you say.

That sounds like a threat to the Commonwealth.

Not if you buy it

[Ah-eh-ioh-uh]

No one : ...

Literally no one : ...

Absolutely no one, seriously :



Orostan's China : https://youtu.be/U06jlgpMtQs

[3rdBritan]

if anyone wants to oppose me i am going to build myself a huge technologically superior army, NO GUNS OR GAS OR CHEMICALS OR NUKES though and i will try to establish bases in Europe and Asia as trading bases, like the British...the imperium or the Commonwealth can join me in this conquest

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

if anyone wants to oppose me i am going to build myself a huge technologically superior army, NO GUNS OR GAS OR CHEMICALS OR NUKES though and i will try to establish bases in Europe and Asia as trading bases, like the British...the imperium or the Commonwealth can join me in this conquest

As long as you share tech and don't bloody flood the continent with opium... (second China here btw, will try and get a post out sometime this weekend)

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

A modded Civ 5 comes to mind about selling your technology at an absurdly high rate at an absurd price.

[3rdBritan]

if anyone wants to oppose me i am going to build myself a

you want a trade? i am coming to india china and korea on a trade mission next timeskip

A modded Civ 5 comes to mind about selling your technology at an absurdly high rate at an absurd price.

wait till i swamp the market with them and i am the forefront of military tech