New Civilizations (2nd Era, OOC, Always Open )

[Endem]

I believe you have misunderstood much of the society my Author created, first of all, Czart don't just torture lot's of people ( yet ) for criminals we have a very early form of trials ( like, the chief of the village being the judge ) we only torture people who we believe have valuable information and who will not give it up willingly, second the society isn't secretetive, we are actually very welcoming of merchants ( after all that's our only source of iron ) it's just works on a "we give you this you give us this, no questions asked no questions given" ( however, yes, you would not be given any knowledge ) and lastly, Vistulan Confederation ( again, it's not a League ) didn't move in to Gdansk, Gdansk was the originating city of the Confederation

Part of this would be the idea of torture for any reason would be pretty terrifying. The merchants would come up and see the early forms of trials and maybe hear someone get tortured and it would terrify them. The outward openness would be great. But, there are still masked men who we don't understand. It would be very easy in this situation to not understand what was happening. One of our primary trade goods is knowledge. Not trading knowledge to a scholar would be considered secretive. Also no questions asked to a scholarly society would also be challenging. Lets say we offered you to teach some farming methods for example, you would say no. Also, lets say we offered to trade you knowledge of parchment for something you knew. You would say no? One of the advantages of trading in knowledge is that it is cumulative.

It might take a few trips before the wariness stops. We after all try to keep a low profile and can be quite paranoid. Some of the posts with the Imperium demonstrate this.

Isn't this what you described what we call "culture shock"? As to trading with knowledge, well, no we wouldn't do that, at least not on a large scale, the only exception would be trustworthy allies, I mean, I would be wary about giving someone an advantage that can be a potential enemy ( also, I'll be sending a merchant [ well, by merchant I mean a couple of them and goods to trade ] your way with the escort of a couple Czart, along with a Czart of higher rank who is allowed to speak )

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Which Vienna convention?

I was confused for a while, until I searched on Google to try and figure out what you meant and I found out that what I was thinking of as the “Vienna Convention” actually encompass two separate and distinct treaties.

Well, I guess this is why it’s useful to have an actual expert in our roleplay.

I’m referring to both the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.

The IC world needs more developed international law...

N/B - On another note, no professional commentary on the Northern-Moravian peace treaty I linked you to?

Ohh, could you link that again? I think I missed the actual link.

[Plzen]

Ohh, could you link that again? I think I missed the actual link.

The text of the treaty is here, and my commentary can be found here.

There are embarrassingly many grammar mistakes that slipped through my proofreading, but ignore that.

[G-Tech Corporation]

The problem with using harder iron to protect softer iron is that I want my weapons to keep their edge, and that’s best done with brittle but hard cast iron as opposed to malleable yet softer wrought iron. When I start producing actual steel I might begin using soft cores and hard outer shells because at that point I’ll be able to make hard steel which is also more able to take a blow.

Using cast iron to wrap wrought iron would result in a blade that can’t keep its sharpness and a sword prone to fracturing. Now that I think about it though that sword might be able to bend better because the core won’t be as brittle - assuming i want the sword to bend.

All cast irons without heat treatments are going to be prone to fracturing - the exact reason you back them up with a core of wrought iron, or just wrap non-cold worked wrought iron in extensively cold worked wrought iron. Placing softer iron around a harder core will just render your initial blade all but worthless due to an inability to hold an edge, and leave you in the circumstance where any brittle fractures that do propagate in your wrought iron go right on through the stiffer core.

You certainly want a sword to be able to bend, elastically. Without the potential for non-plastic deformation in your weapon, you'll largely be limited to thrusts after the fashion of a rapier, and those are dreadful weapons to use against a more common instrument like a club or spear. That's the exact reason the tensile toughness and shear resistance of wrought iron were the qualities most sought after in the West - without them, a sword is just a thin metal baton that snaps in half in a heartbeat as soon as you parry with it.

[Orostan]

The problem with using harder iron to protect softer iron is that I want my weapons to keep their edge, and that’s best done with brittle but hard cast iron as opposed to malleable yet softer wrought iron. When I start producing actual steel I might begin using soft cores and hard outer shells because at that point I’ll be able to make hard steel which is also more able to take a blow.

Using cast iron to wrap wrought iron would result in a blade that can’t keep its sharpness and a sword prone to fracturing. Now that I think about it though that sword might be able to bend better because the core won’t be as brittle - assuming i want the sword to bend.

All cast irons without heat treatments are going to be prone to fracturing - the exact reason you back them up with a core of wrought iron, or just wrap non-cold worked wrought iron in extensively cold worked wrought iron. Placing softer iron around a harder core will just render your initial blade all but worthless due to an inability to hold an edge, and leave you in the circumstance where any brittle fractures that do propagate in your wrought iron go right on through the stiffer core.

You certainly want a sword to be able to bend, elastically. Without the potential for non-plastic deformation in your weapon, you'll largely be limited to thrusts after the fashion of a rapier, and those are dreadful weapons to use against a more common instrument like a club or spear. That's the exact reason the tensile toughness and shear resistance of wrought iron were the qualities most sought after in the West - without them, a sword is just a thin metal baton that snaps in half in a heartbeat as soon as you parry with it.

These swords have a hard core that also forms the blade. The soft metal is on the sides, protecting it. The hard iron is supposed to keep its edge better than the soft iron which can’t keep an edge as well. Even if the more brittle core suffers fractures the softer iron protecting it will prevent the fractures from destroying the weapon.

Later in the RP I will probably experiment with the production of weapons, but right now having a weapon that is reasonably tough and can keep a sharp edge is good enough. The cast iron and wrought iron i am using are also less ‘hard’ categories and more a way of describing carbon content relative to each other. Right now I can’t reliably make ‘real’ cast iron because that would be too brittle to use properly and I don’t have the technology to make molds for it yet. That’s part of the reason why I mentioned using the more brittle iron for cooking pots later in one of my posts. Right now the two types of iron I’m using are probably best described as wrought iron and slightly more brittle and hard wrought iron.

[Lazarian]

I’m surprised by the focus on swords. Spears and polearms were far more deadly, as far as I’m aware.

[Orostan]

I’m surprised by the focus on swords. Spears and polearms were far more deadly, as far as I’m aware.

I’m getting ready to make pole arms in my most recent post.

[Alaroma]

Anywho, I’m really hoping my next post will be out today.

[UniversalCommons]

I am curious about the Bible as a future oriented book with future oriented ideas. Virtually nothing in the bible will have happened yet in 3000 b.c. Most of it will be in the future. The interpretations of all the different peoples, the Gardens of Babylon, Egypt and most of the content in the old testament will not have happened yet. This is also true of the new testament. There would be an incredible amount of ideas that are foreign to the time period.

[Orostan]

I am curious about the Bible as a future oriented book with future oriented ideas. Virtually nothing in the bible will have happened yet in 3000 b.c. Most of it will be in the future. The interpretations of all the different peoples, the Gardens of Babylon, Egypt and most of the content in the old testament will not have happened yet. This is also true of the new testament. There would be an incredible amount of ideas that are foreign to the time period.

Would that limit the ability of Christianity to spread?

[Lord Dominator]

I am curious about the Bible as a future oriented book with future oriented ideas. Virtually nothing in the bible will have happened yet in 3000 b.c. Most of it will be in the future. The interpretations of all the different peoples, the Gardens of Babylon, Egypt and most of the content in the old testament will not have happened yet. This is also true of the new testament. There would be an incredible amount of ideas that are foreign to the time period.

Would that limit the ability of Christianity to spread?

If the Authors making it now don't mention that it hasn't happened, then no.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I am curious about the Bible as a future oriented book with future oriented ideas. Virtually nothing in the bible will have happened yet in 3000 b.c. Most of it will be in the future. The interpretations of all the different peoples, the Gardens of Babylon, Egypt and most of the content in the old testament will not have happened yet. This is also true of the new testament. There would be an incredible amount of ideas that are foreign to the time period.

Ah, but that isn’t how time works.

Obviously, given that our Authors maintain their memories and as they change the timeline they don’t cease to exist, all of history as we consider it has already happened. There will be no birth of Jesus; he has already been born and died.

Ditto Marx, Napoleon, etc.

[Lord Dominator]

I am curious about the Bible as a future oriented book with future oriented ideas. Virtually nothing in the bible will have happened yet in 3000 b.c. Most of it will be in the future. The interpretations of all the different peoples, the Gardens of Babylon, Egypt and most of the content in the old testament will not have happened yet. This is also true of the new testament. There would be an incredible amount of ideas that are foreign to the time period.

Ah, but that isn’t how time works.

Obviously, given that our Authors maintain their memories and as they change the timeline they don’t cease to exist, all of history as we consider it has already happened. There will be no birth of Jesus; he has already been born and died.

Ditto Marx, Napoleon, etc.

Alternately they, being obviously out of time (evidenced by the lack of ageing) are immune to any changes made to the timeline, and thus history has already been undone

[Reatra]

just remembered that this timeskip should be the one when it becomes obvious that the prolonged dry period in Western North America is ending, so that's great!

[Orostan]

just remembered that this timeskip should be the one when it becomes obvious that the prolonged dry period in Western North America is ending, so that's great!

Is another timeskip taking place? Or was this the one that happened shorty before i joined?

[Lord Dominator]

just remembered that this timeskip should be the one when it becomes obvious that the prolonged dry period in Western North America is ending, so that's great!

Is another timeskip taking place? Or was this the one that happened shorty before i joined?

There is not another one taking place soon to my knowledge.

[Europa Undivided]

I am curious about the Bible as a future oriented book with future oriented ideas. Virtually nothing in the bible will have happened yet in 3000 b.c. Most of it will be in the future. The interpretations of all the different peoples, the Gardens of Babylon, Egypt and most of the content in the old testament will not have happened yet. This is also true of the new testament. There would be an incredible amount of ideas that are foreign to the time period.

Would that limit the ability of Christianity to spread?

Depends if there was a dominant Empire with an excellent road system like Rome. That allowed Christianity to spread so far and wide.

[Khasinkonia]

First post. Thoughts, comments, suggestions, other ideas?

[Orostan]

First post. Thoughts, comments, suggestions, other ideas?

I thought it was a really good post, probably better than anything I’ve written. I like to tak about the expressions of the characters though in my dialogue.

Do you plan to join a European faction, or maybe become a traveler?

[Khasinkonia]

First post. Thoughts, comments, suggestions, other ideas?

I thought it was a really good post, probably better than anything I’ve written. I like to tak about the expressions of the characters though in my dialogue.

Do you plan to join a European faction, or maybe become a traveler?

Joohan and I have a plan, but I haven't decided on whether to stay or travel.

[Silverblade]

So is this a full reset?

And did anyone take France or Rome?

[G-Tech Corporation]

So is this a full reset?

And did anyone take France or Rome?

James just landed in the south of France, but otherwise both her and Italy are unpopulated.

[Holy Tedalonia]

G-Tech, can you respond to my telegram. I want to make sure of something's before I get my post out.

[Alaroma]

Run from it, hide from it, destiny always arrives.

[Plzen]

James just landed in the south of France, but otherwise both her and Italy are unpopulated.

I believe there was somebody considering an application for Rome? Did he ever get it written up?

The Prussian militarism fantasy guy.