New Civilizations (2nd Era, OOC, Always Open )

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Ignore the uhh, Tunisian Krakens running about and torching people they don't like in the name of Cthulhu, that's not important, yes uhh...

[Plzen]

You truly are a Sith lord in the making.

Necessity remains!

-snip-

[Alaroma]

Ignore the uhh, Tunisian Krakens running about and torching people they don't like in the name of Cthulhu, that's not important, yes uhh...

Woah wait what? Someone explain the Krakens please? Because I’m taking care of the Orphans of their attacks in Crimea or something.

[Khasinkonia]

Alright, I've telegrammed Joohan, which means I'll probably pop out of here until I get an official OP answer. Thanks for the help, y'all!

[Alaroma]

Alright, I've telegrammed Joohan, which means I'll probably pop out of here until I get an official OP answer. Thanks for the help, y'all!

UHHhhhh you might wanna ask G, Joohan is doing Military shit rn.

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Ignore the uhh, Tunisian Krakens running about and torching people they don't like in the name of Cthulhu, that's not important, yes uhh...

Woah wait what? Someone explain the Krakens please? Because I’m taking care of the Orphans of their attacks in Crimea or something.

I may or may have not started a cult with my first author in the Cyclades pertaining to the worship of Cthulhu, and started torching people with his new cult. Hardliners went to Tunisia and nearby, author went to Cyprus to try and reboot the faith in order to make it more appealing to the masses (by editing a fuck ton of it making it unrecognizable, still got human sacrifice tho).

[Khasinkonia]

Alright, I've telegrammed Joohan, which means I'll probably pop out of here until I get an official OP answer. Thanks for the help, y'all!

UHHhhhh you might wanna ask G, Joohan is doing Military shit rn.

Ah, I'll send G a copy of the telegram I sent Joohan then. Thanks.

[Alaroma]

Woah wait what? Someone explain the Krakens please? Because I’m taking care of the Orphans of their attacks in Crimea or something.

I may or may have not started a cult with my first author in the Cyclades pertaining to the worship of Cthulhu, and started torching people with his new cult. Hardliners went to Tunisia and nearby, author went to Cyprus to try and reboot the faith in order to make it more appealing to the masses (by editing a fuck ton of it making it unrecognizable, still got human sacrifice tho).

And your guys attacked Crimea?

>Human sacrifice

Uhhhhh banned.

[Holy Tedalonia]

I mean Plzen is literally right tho, tbh.

I can see both sides to be honest. Had the Commonwealth chosen less radical laws it wouldn't be in this predicament, likewise the Imperium is very aggressive in its approach to the issue. I can easily say, the Imperiums trying to dictate the Commonwealth laws, but that is a reasonable response to any laws a country has problems with another. Its usually just dealt in more peaceful ways nowadays (ie protests/economic sanctions). Really one could point out the Imperium lacks a decent real casus belli, which is why they are trying to make waves in the commonwealth to make them respond.

This is why I believe the issue is one of our more polarizing opinion ones, because both sides have some legitimate reasons to behave the way they are behaving. Its just that due to being more aggressive then what is most likely necessary, it has caused this rabbit hole into a irreversible situation, and will have to soon fight because of it.

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

I may or may have not started a cult with my first author in the Cyclades pertaining to the worship of Cthulhu, and started torching people with his new cult. Hardliners went to Tunisia and nearby, author went to Cyprus to try and reboot the faith in order to make it more appealing to the masses (by editing a fuck ton of it making it unrecognizable, still got human sacrifice tho).

And your guys attacked Crimea?
>Human sacrifice
Uhhhhh banned.

Crimea's too far away, we just stirred up the pot in the Cyclades, turning it into a religiously balkanized place when we left, a parting gift to Nestos.

[Nuxipal]

I may or may have not started a cult with my first author in the Cyclades pertaining to the worship of Cthulhu, and started torching people with his new cult. Hardliners went to Tunisia and nearby, author went to Cyprus to try and reboot the faith in order to make it more appealing to the masses (by editing a fuck ton of it making it unrecognizable, still got human sacrifice tho).

And your guys attacked Crimea?

>Human sacrifice

Uhhhhh banned.

*points at the crucifix*

Then what's that? If he went willingly is that not human sacrifice?

[Alaroma]

And your guys attacked Crimea?
>Human sacrifice
Uhhhhh banned.

Crimea's too far away, we just stirred up the pot in the Cyclades, turning it into a religiously balkanized place when we left, a parting gift to Nestos.

Either way, that’s edgy asf, and we will steer clear from those psychos. My kiddies most certainly will.

[Khasinkonia]

Righto, questions sent, hopefully I'll be joining y'all soon!

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Crimea's too far away, we just stirred up the pot in the Cyclades, turning it into a religiously balkanized place when we left, a parting gift to Nestos.

Either way, that’s edgy asf, and we will steer clear from those psychos. My kiddies most certainly will.

Ok bro, we'll just be setting up a state in Cyprus and bunkering in.
Don't go crusading there you lot, that goes for the rest of you in the Med.

[Alaroma]

Either way, that’s edgy asf, and we will steer clear from those psychos. My kiddies most certainly will.

Ok bro, we'll just be setting up a state in Cyprus and bunkering in.
Don't go crusading there you lot, that goes for the rest of you in the Med.

I doubt we will, but there’s going to be a resistance to anything approaching normal relationships with you guys, because human sacrifice the ultimate gay.

[Orostan]

Ok bro, we'll just be setting up a state in Cyprus and bunkering in.
Don't go crusading there you lot, that goes for the rest of you in the Med.

I doubt we will, but there’s going to be a resistance to anything approaching normal relationships with you guys, because human sacrifice the ultimate gay.

oracle bones > man on stick

[Plzen]

-snip-

That, and the Imperium is in flagrant violation of the terms of our peace treaty. I suppose it is not unusual for a Christian to not consider himself bound by any promises or pledges made to non-Christians, historically speaking, but I’m still fairly surprised that they’re willing to be this blatant in their aggression.

Since the Imperium clearly as no intention of abiding by its terms, the Commonwealth will consider the agreement to have been dissolved, and thus the relations between the two polities return to the state existent prior to that agreement - a state of war.

We do not share the Imperial perspective that acts pronounced by the Commonwealth’s legitimate government can only be valid Commonwealth law if the Imperium, a foreign power, judges them to be inoffensive. We find that interpretation to be grossly contrary to the spirit of the agreement.

[Kelmet]

-snip-

That, and the Imperium is in flagrant violation of the terms of our peace treaty. I suppose it is not unusual for a Christian to not consider himself bound by any promises or pledges made to non-Christians, historically speaking, but I’m still fairly surprised that they’re willing to be this blatant in their aggression.

Since the Imperium clearly as no intention of abiding by its terms, the Commonwealth will consider the agreement to have been dissolved, and thus the relations between the two polities return to the state existent prior to that agreement - a state of war.

We do not share the Imperial perspective that acts pronounced by the Commonwealth’s legitimate government can only be valid Commonwealth law if the Imperium, a foreign power, judges them to be inoffensive. We find that interpretation to be grossly contrary to the spirit of the agreement.

We just want bare minimum, for you not to target our people.

If you limited your "enforcement" to none imperials, G-tech would probably be okay with it.

[Plzen]

We just want bare minimum, for you not to target our people.

If you limited your "enforcement" to none imperials, G-tech would probably be okay with it.

If you want extraterritoriality for your people in the Commonwealth, well, first, no.

Second, even if we thought extraterritoriality was a good idea in general, we would not agree to it without it being reciprocated. If Imperial subjects in the Commonwealth are to be exempt from Commonwealth law, we will quite naturally demand that the reverse also be true - that the Imperium waive any right to persecute Commonwealth citizens for any act or omission contrary to Imperial law they commit while in the Imperium.

If you visit a country you are governed by the laws of that country. This is the norm in the 21st Century world we live in, so I have no idea why people think it’s some kind of absurd oppression.

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

I doubt we will, but there’s going to be a resistance to anything approaching normal relationships with you guys, because human sacrifice the ultimate gay.

oracle bones > man on stick

What kind of sticks.

[Alaroma]

As much as Plzen wants to frame this as a religious conflict, it’s mostly over the arbitrary killing of Imperial citizens. My guess the Imperium and it’s Army isn’t entirely Christian, and what they’re being told as to why they’re fighting isn’t about Christianity.

It most definitely was anti clerical bigotry that drove the Imperial Killings in the Commonwealth, and its hard to reason otherwise. If it was just over them simply being Imperials, just bar Imperials from the country all together.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

I doubt we will, but there’s going to be a resistance to anything approaching normal relationships with you guys, because human sacrifice the ultimate gay.

oracle bones > man on stick

Ngl I love oracle bones. Make sure you use the right ones! And tortoise shells also work.

[Alaroma]

We just want bare minimum, for you not to target our people.

If you limited your "enforcement" to none imperials, G-tech would probably be okay with it.

If you want extraterritoriality for your people in the Commonwealth, well, first, no.

Second, even if we thought extraterritoriality was a good idea in general, we would not agree to it without it being reciprocated. If Imperial subjects in the Commonwealth are to be exempt from Commonwealth law, we will quite naturally demand that the reverse also be true - that the Imperium waive any right to persecute Commonwealth citizens for any act or omission contrary to Imperial law they commit while in the Imperium.

If you visit a country you are governed by the laws of that country. This is the norm in the 21st Century world we live in, so I have no idea why people think it’s some kind of absurd oppression.

Plzen, any modern country that instead of imprisoning, just executed foreigners for saying things the Government didn’t like would piss the fuck off any nation. We get mad when people are jailed for preaching, let alone being executed. Plus most of these countries would probably deport these people. This isn’t just about laws and sovereignty, it’s about human rights.

[Plzen]

-snip-

Your insistence on the label “arbitrary” for the enforcement of Commonwealth law enacted by the legitimate government of the Commonwealth by law enforcement institutions duly authorised by the same is growing tiresome.

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Plzen, any modern country that instead of imprisoning, just executed foreigners for saying things the Government didn’t like would piss the fuck off any nation. We get mad when people are jailed for preaching, let alone being executed. Plus most of these countries would probably deport these people. This isn’t just about laws and sovereignty, it’s about human rights.

So the United States is going to invade Thailand soon to correct its oppressive lese majeste laws that foreign tourists keep falling afoul of, right?

No. Of course not. Because that’s not how things work. 21st Century international relations have a healthy respect for the concept of national sovereignty, and it’s more notable when it’s violated.

And not to put a too fine point on it, but the Imperium agreed to respect that principle.

[Orostan]

oracle bones > man on stick

What kind of sticks.

the cross kind

oracle bones > man on stick

Ngl I love oracle bones. Make sure you use the right ones! And tortoise shells also work.

Yeah, they're very interesting things. I think traditional Chinese belief systems are going to play a pretty big role in how China interacts with the Christian world.