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Postby Guuj Xaat Kil » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:32 am

Nouveau Quebecois wrote:Can I advance time to February?

I'm currently dealing with a full plate right now, but I need to add nuance to the diplomatic talks so can we uhh, give me 2 days or something.
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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:33 am

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Nouveau Quebecois wrote:Can I advance time to February?

I'm currently dealing with a full plate right now, but I need to add nuance to the diplomatic talks so can we uhh, give me 2 days or something.

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Postby Military Lands of the Scottish People » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:12 pm

Northern Poland wrote:
Generic Info
Nation Name: Federal Republic of Alabama
Symbols:


Location:
Population 1,699,777
Capital City: Montgomery

Government Info
Government Type: Unitary semi-presidential republic
Brief Explanation of Government: There are three branches, modeled of the failed US example, with the President Overseeing Foreign and Military Affairs, and a Prime Minister overseeing Domestic and economic affairs.
Ideology: Somewhat like Athenian democracy with some custom changes to it.
Leader/s:
President: Cristopher Russo
Prime Minister: Tom Austin
President of Congress: Jagger Fleming
President of The Negro Congress: Farrell Lucas
Relations
Trading Agreements: Local Georgian and Mississippi Governments
Rivals: Tennessee
Allies: N/A
Population Info
Brief Description of your People: The People of Alabama are in two separate groups, White people, and African Americans. White Males have most of the voting power, like for most of US History, but African Americans have 2/3rds of one vote per person and can vote in Black Congress Elections, and Presidential. These two races exist in relative peace, with the KKK being shunned out after the realization that there are more African Americans than whites. The white population is mostly Descended from English settlers, with some Italians and Germanic Peoples mixed in.
Brief Description of your Culture: Mostly Christian, even in the Black Population, most of them celebrate traditional Christian holidays, with some Jews celebrating their own holidays. It's mostly like how the US was, but with less ethnic groups, and more focus on Christianity.

Military Info
Army: (branches, number of troops, quality of army, etc,)
The Alabamian Ground Forces are in three Seperate Branches, Including.

The Alabamian Army
Made up of 11 Regiments with 5,500 men to share amongst themselves, mostly in the heartland of Alabama, around 14,000 Active Duty, with 59,100 men in reserve. About 4 Regiments are Colored Regiments, with lower quality gear, like the relatively outdated M1892 Rifle in use with most colored soldiers. 1 White and Colored Regiment is a Calvary regiment, with greater mobility for the regiment as a whole. The White Regiments enjoy relatively modern weapons, such as the M1903 and M1917 rifles. Both Race regiments have a 6 week long Bootcamp, and a 4-week specialty training if applicable. Heavy weapons units are common, with National Guard Machine Guns and Field Artillery being taken by the Army, and continued being built by the growing Industry. They have late war US uniforms, with factories producing Helmets and webbing for the troops.
The Alabamian State Guard

Made up of Local Town Militias under a Single Command Structure, most towns supply around a Company, with larger towns like Birmingham and Montgomery providing a battalion. The Manpower of the ASG is around 12,000 Active Duty at any one time, and over 100,000 In reserve, with one week a Year Training for companies, provided by the Army. Most soldiers are armed with the M1892, with some richer units having entire Heavy weapons teams, and newer rifles. They have adopted Late 19th Century US Uniforms.

Navy: The Naval Forces of Alabama Also have two branches, including.
The Alabama Marine Corps.

The Marines are the first in, last out, and are the QRF of Alabama. They use modern equipment and are organized into 5 Marine Regiments, with 4,300 men a regiment. They are trained in naval landings with civilian craft and are on constant alert status. They are also security for most Alabamian ships, with security ranging from a single squad to an entire Platoon on a ship. The Marines are made up of former Marine Reserves in Alabama when war broke out, and trained later Generations. They have around 8,600 men active duty, with 12,900 in reserve.

The Alabama Federal Navy

Before you will see a list of Ships of the navy.



Ships of the Smith Class Destroyer
AFN Birmingham

Ships of the Amphitrite-class monitor
AFN Bonnie Blue
AFN Lady liberty

Some Misc ships include transport ships, River Patrol Vessels, and Yachts.
Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: The Economy is dominated by agriculture and Industry. Expansion to the Industry field had occurred as late as the 20s, and this provided the basis for a growing Sector of Industrial plants, with most Agriculture dominated by African Americans, with most factory jobs going to whites.
Goals: Strengthening of the Middle class, expansion of social services, and expansion of its borders.
History: After Society went to hell, Alabama quickly formed an independent state, with national guard units and militias conquering cities that resisted or formed their own governments, putting down multiple socialist movements. They fought multiple radical black states, and soon entered negotiations with educated men of color, many of them Professors at black colleges. They settled on an agreement, they would Lay down their arms for voting rights and have black representatives, which was compromised with 2/3rds of a vote and a separate single house. They were given rights as Alabama citizens and were freed from ever being slaves again. With huge pressure from the Colored community, they made public transportation available, along with expanding funding to black neighborhoods. The state wasn't the biggest or powerful and didn't go on a spree of invading other states. It attempted to solidify itself by expanding it's military into a defensive role. They also dove right into expanding industry, making new jobs for people to work, along with paving new roads, building one or two hydroelectric dams, and expanding electricity to some towns. The power initiative is still being pursued, along with the expansion of the automobile.
RP Sample: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=478857 My latest and a good one.
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

Thank you for amending your Air Force and Navy. Thabk God some one remembered the Krag-Jorgensen exists. Logistical issues are likely to come up between the M1903/M1917 and the Krag. Racial tensions will likely be a thing here. But it'll likely be calm rather than violent, at least for now. Doesn't mean it will stay that way.

In regards to your Navy, I do believe Alabama has access to Coal, definitely not Oil. It's fair to say you will rely on trade for supplying your Navy, with minimal reserves. It might be best to just eliminate it as a whole but in the end it is up to you.

If Palmetto or Columbia has anything to say about this then I'll edit my post, otherwise you are accepted.
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Postby Military Lands of the Scottish People » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:31 pm

Do not take this post as gospel. Here is a hot take from me.

Most nations lack the ability to run and maintain a huge army or a large reserve of manpower to fight wars. Manpower is precious for most. All lack the capability to properly mechanized their units or give them armored combat vehicles as well. The old strategy of sending waves of men upon men is over. The reality is that every life in your Army is priceless in a world that has been practically Thanos snapped.

Therefore take this into consideration with military research and development: metal armor.

In World War 1 the Germans developed a chest plate called the Sappenpanzer, or something along those lines, which was given to men placed on Sentry Duty and those manning a machine guns nest. They proved to be resistant to most pistol caliber rounds, and even rifle rounds at long distances (and I mean incredibly long, I believe 300 yards? Could be meters, to be fair I have to look over my source again.) But these weren't just useful for protecting bullets. They proved to be quite the repellant of metal fragments from say a ricochet, a grenade, a mine, so forth.

This armor did not make their soldiers Iron Man, but rather increased survivability. That counts more than ever now and days. You'll obviously not be making Power Armor, or Mjolnir SPARTAN Armor, but it is likely you could gain interest in using metal plates in your infantry:s kits. Medium armor would typically be the metal breastplate mentioned prior, light ones being a metal chained together covering the chest to help against fragment and ricochet, or even melee combat, and the heaviest probably consisting of chin, maybe thigh guards, and shoulder plates.

These armor, like I've said, will not win gun fights. Not most of the time at least. They will however reduce casualties, which like I've said, matters.

As I've said, do not take this post as gospel. Armor has many shortcomings. The heavier it is, the more back issues a soldier will have, and overall fatigue of your Army will increase, meaning lengthy maneuvers will take a long time. Time is just as precious as your manpower. Consider the benefits and the odds, and make your move from there. Do not issue armor to your entire army, or make some form of bullshit armor that's able to repel everything. It'll either be voided or just simply punished.

Take care everyone, sorry for my lack of activity every day.
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Postby Northern Poland » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:07 pm

Military Lands of the Scottish People wrote:
Northern Poland wrote:
Generic Info
Nation Name: Federal Republic of Alabama
Symbols:


Location:
Population 1,699,777
Capital City: Montgomery

Government Info
Government Type: Unitary semi-presidential republic
Brief Explanation of Government: There are three branches, modeled of the failed US example, with the President Overseeing Foreign and Military Affairs, and a Prime Minister overseeing Domestic and economic affairs.
Ideology: Somewhat like Athenian democracy with some custom changes to it.
Leader/s:
President: Cristopher Russo
Prime Minister: Tom Austin
President of Congress: Jagger Fleming
President of The Negro Congress: Farrell Lucas
Relations
Trading Agreements: Local Georgian and Mississippi Governments
Rivals: Tennessee
Allies: N/A
Population Info
Brief Description of your People: The People of Alabama are in two separate groups, White people, and African Americans. White Males have most of the voting power, like for most of US History, but African Americans have 2/3rds of one vote per person and can vote in Black Congress Elections, and Presidential. These two races exist in relative peace, with the KKK being shunned out after the realization that there are more African Americans than whites. The white population is mostly Descended from English settlers, with some Italians and Germanic Peoples mixed in.
Brief Description of your Culture: Mostly Christian, even in the Black Population, most of them celebrate traditional Christian holidays, with some Jews celebrating their own holidays. It's mostly like how the US was, but with less ethnic groups, and more focus on Christianity.

Military Info
Army: (branches, number of troops, quality of army, etc,)
The Alabamian Ground Forces are in three Seperate Branches, Including.

The Alabamian Army
Made up of 11 Regiments with 5,500 men to share amongst themselves, mostly in the heartland of Alabama, around 14,000 Active Duty, with 59,100 men in reserve. About 4 Regiments are Colored Regiments, with lower quality gear, like the relatively outdated M1892 Rifle in use with most colored soldiers. 1 White and Colored Regiment is a Calvary regiment, with greater mobility for the regiment as a whole. The White Regiments enjoy relatively modern weapons, such as the M1903 and M1917 rifles. Both Race regiments have a 6 week long Bootcamp, and a 4-week specialty training if applicable. Heavy weapons units are common, with National Guard Machine Guns and Field Artillery being taken by the Army, and continued being built by the growing Industry. They have late war US uniforms, with factories producing Helmets and webbing for the troops.
The Alabamian State Guard

Made up of Local Town Militias under a Single Command Structure, most towns supply around a Company, with larger towns like Birmingham and Montgomery providing a battalion. The Manpower of the ASG is around 12,000 Active Duty at any one time, and over 100,000 In reserve, with one week a Year Training for companies, provided by the Army. Most soldiers are armed with the M1892, with some richer units having entire Heavy weapons teams, and newer rifles. They have adopted Late 19th Century US Uniforms.

Navy: The Naval Forces of Alabama Also have two branches, including.
The Alabama Marine Corps.

The Marines are the first in, last out, and are the QRF of Alabama. They use modern equipment and are organized into 5 Marine Regiments, with 4,300 men a regiment. They are trained in naval landings with civilian craft and are on constant alert status. They are also security for most Alabamian ships, with security ranging from a single squad to an entire Platoon on a ship. The Marines are made up of former Marine Reserves in Alabama when war broke out, and trained later Generations. They have around 8,600 men active duty, with 12,900 in reserve.

The Alabama Federal Navy

Before you will see a list of Ships of the navy.



Ships of the Smith Class Destroyer
AFN Birmingham

Ships of the Amphitrite-class monitor
AFN Bonnie Blue
AFN Lady liberty

Some Misc ships include transport ships, River Patrol Vessels, and Yachts.
Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: The Economy is dominated by agriculture and Industry. Expansion to the Industry field had occurred as late as the 20s, and this provided the basis for a growing Sector of Industrial plants, with most Agriculture dominated by African Americans, with most factory jobs going to whites.
Goals: Strengthening of the Middle class, expansion of social services, and expansion of its borders.
History: After Society went to hell, Alabama quickly formed an independent state, with national guard units and militias conquering cities that resisted or formed their own governments, putting down multiple socialist movements. They fought multiple radical black states, and soon entered negotiations with educated men of color, many of them Professors at black colleges. They settled on an agreement, they would Lay down their arms for voting rights and have black representatives, which was compromised with 2/3rds of a vote and a separate single house. They were given rights as Alabama citizens and were freed from ever being slaves again. With huge pressure from the Colored community, they made public transportation available, along with expanding funding to black neighborhoods. The state wasn't the biggest or powerful and didn't go on a spree of invading other states. It attempted to solidify itself by expanding it's military into a defensive role. They also dove right into expanding industry, making new jobs for people to work, along with paving new roads, building one or two hydroelectric dams, and expanding electricity to some towns. The power initiative is still being pursued, along with the expansion of the automobile.
RP Sample: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=478857 My latest and a good one.
429 - Do not remove. This is for tracking purposes.

Thank you for amending your Air Force and Navy. Thabk God some one remembered the Krag-Jorgensen exists. Logistical issues are likely to come up between the M1903/M1917 and the Krag. Racial tensions will likely be a thing here. But it'll likely be calm rather than violent, at least for now. Doesn't mean it will stay that way.

In regards to your Navy, I do believe Alabama has access to Coal, definitely not Oil. It's fair to say you will rely on trade for supplying your Navy, with minimal reserves. It might be best to just eliminate it as a whole but in the end it is up to you.

If Palmetto or Columbia has anything to say about this then I'll edit my post, otherwise you are accepted.

The Smith-Class Destroyer is actually coal-fired, couldn't find a source for Amphitrite's class power, but as it was commissioned in the late 19th Century, I feel it's safe to assume it was also coal-powered.
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Postby Granluras » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:57 pm

Military Lands of the Scottish People wrote:Do take this post as gospel. Here is a hot take from me.

Therefore take this into consideration with military research and development: metal armor.

In World War 1 the Germans developed a chest plate called the Sappenpanzer, or something along those lines, which was given to men placed on Sentry Duty and those manning a machine guns nest. They proved to be resistant to most pistol caliber rounds, and even rifle rounds at long distances (and I mean incredibly long, I believe 300 yards? Could be meters, to be fair I have to look over my source again.) But these weren't just useful for protecting bullets. They proved to be quite the repellant of metal fragments from say a ricochet, a grenade, a mine, so forth.

This armor did make their soldiers Iron Man. That counts more than ever now and days. You'll obviously be making Power Armor, or Mjolnir SPARTAN Armor, but it is likely you could gain interest in using metal plates in your infantry:s kits. Medium armor would typically be the metal breastplate mentioned prior, light ones being a metal chained together covering the chest to help against fragment and ricochet, or even melee combat, and the heaviest probably consisting of chin, maybe thigh guards, and shoulder plates.

These armor, like I've said, will win gun fights. most of the time at least. They will however reduce casualties, which like I've said, matters.

As I've said, do take this post as gospel. The heavier it is, the more your manpower. Consider the benefits and the odds, and make your move from there. Do issue armor to your entire army, make some form of bullshit armor that's able to repel everything.

Take care everyone, sorry for my lack of activity every day.

Ok got it, thanks for your input!
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Postby Thakia » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:19 pm

how would melee combat work in this universe, i suppose that in places like India and South America is still used
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Postby Greater Redosia » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:32 pm

Thakia wrote:how would melee combat work in this universe, i suppose that in places like India and South America is still used


I....I mean...Melee is melee. Good for saving ammo but when you meet the first guy with a gun you're most likely to get shot, but having actual swords or bayonets would probably help these smaller more mobile militaries we have. All hail cavalry.
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Postby Crimetopolis » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:47 pm

Would a whites only version of South Africa be allowable here? Think Afrikaner Resistance Movement[AWB]

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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:02 pm

Military Lands of the Scottish People wrote:Do not take this post as gospel. Here is a hot take from me.

Most nations lack the ability to run and maintain a huge army or a large reserve of manpower to fight wars. Manpower is precious for most. All lack the capability to properly mechanized their units or give them armored combat vehicles as well. The old strategy of sending waves of men upon men is over. The reality is that every life in your Army is priceless in a world that has been practically Thanos snapped.

Therefore take this into consideration with military research and development: metal armor.

In World War 1 the Germans developed a chest plate called the Sappenpanzer, or something along those lines, which was given to men placed on Sentry Duty and those manning a machine guns nest. They proved to be resistant to most pistol caliber rounds, and even rifle rounds at long distances (and I mean incredibly long, I believe 300 yards? Could be meters, to be fair I have to look over my source again.) But these weren't just useful for protecting bullets. They proved to be quite the repellant of metal fragments from say a ricochet, a grenade, a mine, so forth.

This armor did not make their soldiers Iron Man, but rather increased survivability. That counts more than ever now and days. You'll obviously not be making Power Armor, or Mjolnir SPARTAN Armor, but it is likely you could gain interest in using metal plates in your infantry:s kits. Medium armor would typically be the metal breastplate mentioned prior, light ones being a metal chained together covering the chest to help against fragment and ricochet, or even melee combat, and the heaviest probably consisting of chin, maybe thigh guards, and shoulder plates.

These armor, like I've said, will not win gun fights. Not most of the time at least. They will however reduce casualties, which like I've said, matters.

As I've said, do not take this post as gospel. Armor has many shortcomings. The heavier it is, the more back issues a soldier will have, and overall fatigue of your Army will increase, meaning lengthy maneuvers will take a long time. Time is just as precious as your manpower. Consider the benefits and the odds, and make your move from there. Do not issue armor to your entire army, or make some form of bullshit armor that's able to repel everything. It'll either be voided or just simply punished.

Take care everyone, sorry for my lack of activity every day.


I literally rule a kingdom of vikings.

You're acting like my soldiers aren't kitted like the dues on the right side of this picture

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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:27 pm

The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:
I literally rule a kingdom of vikings.

You're acting like my soldiers aren't kitted like the dues on the right side of this picture

(Image)
Military Lands of the Scottish People wrote:Do not take this post as gospel. Here is a hot take from me.

Most nations lack the ability to run and maintain a huge army or a large reserve of manpower to fight wars. Manpower is precious for most. All lack the capability to properly mechanized their units or give them armored combat vehicles as well. The old strategy of sending waves of men upon men is over. The reality is that every life in your Army is priceless in a world that has been practically Thanos snapped.

Therefore take this into consideration with military research and development: metal armor.

In World War 1 the Germans developed a chest plate called the Sappenpanzer, or something along those lines, which was given to men placed on Sentry Duty and those manning a machine guns nest. They proved to be resistant to most pistol caliber rounds, and even rifle rounds at long distances (and I mean incredibly long, I believe 300 yards? Could be meters, to be fair I have to look over my source again.) But these weren't just useful for protecting bullets. They proved to be quite the repellant of metal fragments from say a ricochet, a grenade, a mine, so forth.

This armor did not make their soldiers Iron Man, but rather increased survivability. That counts more than ever now and days. You'll obviously not be making Power Armor, or Mjolnir SPARTAN Armor, but it is likely you could gain interest in using metal plates in your infantry:s kits. Medium armor would typically be the metal breastplate mentioned prior, light ones being a metal chained together covering the chest to help against fragment and ricochet, or even melee combat, and the heaviest probably consisting of chin, maybe thigh guards, and shoulder plates.

These armor, like I've said, will not win gun fights. Not most of the time at least. They will however reduce casualties, which like I've said, matters.

As I've said, do not take this post as gospel. Armor has many shortcomings. The heavier it is, the more back issues a soldier will have, and overall fatigue of your Army will increase, meaning lengthy maneuvers will take a long time. Time is just as precious as your manpower. Consider the benefits and the odds, and make your move from there. Do not issue armor to your entire army, or make some form of bullshit armor that's able to repel everything. It'll either be voided or just simply punished.

Take care everyone, sorry for my lack of activity every day.


Well, armour in combat during the age we're in were mostly used situationally. In the specific example you've given, the steel bib was only used for stationary men, who had defensive obligations. Armour like what was represented in the picture TA-SC posted is obviously a double-edged sword. It's klunky, it's loud, it's impractical for mobility, and yes, it's heavy. The chances it'll even stop a bullet of any caliber within close quarters battle range, where it will be the most needed? Nil. It's primarily designed to stop shrapnel. Steel armour is great and all until your soldiers have to ambush an enemy patrol or crawl through a tight gap in a building.

I have a different philosophy. If I had a limited amount of metals to work with, and if I were y'all, they'd be dedicated to armaments. Rifles, bullets, assault guns. Manpower is important, but manpower is only as effective as it's kit, and can be much more efficenitly conserved with good tactics and a capable general (yourself).

I'd say keep the metal for helmets, maybe some plates for your machine-gun operators, and put the rest in the refinery. But whatever works for your strategy.
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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:31 pm

speaking of metal and steel, I know some of my neighbours (COUGH COUGH) have plenty of coal deposits their so willing to export for mutually beneficial prices, hmu @Ottawa.Dominion.ca
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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:42 pm

Nouveau Quebecois wrote:
The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:
I literally rule a kingdom of vikings.

You're acting like my soldiers aren't kitted like the dues on the right side of this picture

(Image)
Military Lands of the Scottish People wrote:Do not take this post as gospel. Here is a hot take from me.

Most nations lack the ability to run and maintain a huge army or a large reserve of manpower to fight wars. Manpower is precious for most. All lack the capability to properly mechanized their units or give them armored combat vehicles as well. The old strategy of sending waves of men upon men is over. The reality is that every life in your Army is priceless in a world that has been practically Thanos snapped.

Therefore take this into consideration with military research and development: metal armor.

In World War 1 the Germans developed a chest plate called the Sappenpanzer, or something along those lines, which was given to men placed on Sentry Duty and those manning a machine guns nest. They proved to be resistant to most pistol caliber rounds, and even rifle rounds at long distances (and I mean incredibly long, I believe 300 yards? Could be meters, to be fair I have to look over my source again.) But these weren't just useful for protecting bullets. They proved to be quite the repellant of metal fragments from say a ricochet, a grenade, a mine, so forth.

This armor did not make their soldiers Iron Man, but rather increased survivability. That counts more than ever now and days. You'll obviously not be making Power Armor, or Mjolnir SPARTAN Armor, but it is likely you could gain interest in using metal plates in your infantry:s kits. Medium armor would typically be the metal breastplate mentioned prior, light ones being a metal chained together covering the chest to help against fragment and ricochet, or even melee combat, and the heaviest probably consisting of chin, maybe thigh guards, and shoulder plates.

These armor, like I've said, will not win gun fights. Not most of the time at least. They will however reduce casualties, which like I've said, matters.

As I've said, do not take this post as gospel. Armor has many shortcomings. The heavier it is, the more back issues a soldier will have, and overall fatigue of your Army will increase, meaning lengthy maneuvers will take a long time. Time is just as precious as your manpower. Consider the benefits and the odds, and make your move from there. Do not issue armor to your entire army, or make some form of bullshit armor that's able to repel everything. It'll either be voided or just simply punished.

Take care everyone, sorry for my lack of activity every day.


Well, armour in combat during the age we're in were mostly used situationally. In the specific example you've given, the steel bib was only used for stationary men, who had defensive obligations. Armour like what was represented in the picture TA-SC posted is obviously a double-edged sword. It's klunky, it's loud, it's impractical for mobility, and yes, it's heavy. The chances it'll even stop a bullet of any caliber within close quarters battle range, where it will be the most needed? Nil. It's primarily designed to stop shrapnel. Steel armour is great and all until your soldiers have to ambush an enemy patrol or crawl through a tight gap in a building.

I have a different philosophy. If I had a limited amount of metals to work with, and if I were y'all, they'd be dedicated to armaments. Rifles, bullets, assault guns. Manpower is important, but manpower is only as effective as it's kit, and can be much more efficenitly conserved with good tactics and a capable general (yourself).

I'd say keep the metal for helmets, maybe some plates for your machine-gun operators, and put the rest in the refinery. But whatever works for your strategy.


For countries who have limited metal, sure.

I control 92% of European iron.

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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:56 am

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Well, armour in combat during the age we're in were mostly used situationally. In the specific example you've given, the steel bib was only used for stationary men, who had defensive obligations. Armour like what was represented in the picture TA-SC posted is obviously a double-edged sword. It's klunky, it's loud, it's impractical for mobility, and yes, it's heavy. The chances it'll even stop a bullet of any caliber within close quarters battle range, where it will be the most needed? Nil. It's primarily designed to stop shrapnel. Steel armour is great and all until your soldiers have to ambush an enemy patrol or crawl through a tight gap in a building.

I have a different philosophy. If I had a limited amount of metals to work with, and if I were y'all, they'd be dedicated to armaments. Rifles, bullets, assault guns. Manpower is important, but manpower is only as effective as it's kit, and can be much more efficenitly conserved with good tactics and a capable general (yourself).

I'd say keep the metal for helmets, maybe some plates for your machine-gun operators, and put the rest in the refinery. But whatever works for your strategy.


For countries who have limited metal, sure.

I control 92% of European iron.

Aren't most of those mines to the far north?
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Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:28 pm

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
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For countries who have limited metal, sure.

I control 92% of European iron.

Aren't most of those mines to the far north?


England and Scotland both have a decent amount of coal, once we get more trade going and less exploration we should start being able to sell some I imagine.
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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:52 pm

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
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For countries who have limited metal, sure.

I control 92% of European iron.

Aren't most of those mines to the far north?


They're all over the country, though some of the larger ones are in the provinces that are next to be settled yes.

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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:05 pm

guys if north america unites we can probably start a space program and dab on those eurocentrics
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Postby Granluras » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:39 pm

Nouveau Quebecois wrote:guys if north america unites we can probably start a space program and dab on those eurocentrics

Can Spain be a colony so we can be included?
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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:50 pm

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Nouveau Quebecois wrote:guys if north america unites we can probably start a space program and dab on those eurocentrics

Can Spain be a colony so we can be included?

I've got an expedition planned, interested?
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Postby Granluras » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:52 pm

Nouveau Quebecois wrote:
Granluras wrote:Can Spain be a colony so we can be included?

I've got an expedition planned, interested?

To?
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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:58 pm

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Nouveau Quebecois wrote:I've got an expedition planned, interested?

To?

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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:40 pm

“We have a few more permits for the City… A few appointments and dismissals… And an infrastructure project to connect Kiel via rail

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Postby Khasinkonia » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:26 pm

The Hindustani State wrote:Sorry for being away for a while

Would you be interested in establishing contact between the Qing and the Ainu Republic?

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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:29 pm

Also, Commonwealth States, shouldn’t you be talking about how Norway is currently raiding your shores?
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