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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:26 pm

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I don't know how such a party could have ever entered government and that is not mentioned in the bio, but otherwise I'm willing to accept it. Also, what constituency does he hold?


When I talk about "entering government" in the weaknesses, I didn't mean nationally, I meant on a smaller local scale. My bad.

As for the constituency... let's go with Sagrado Corazón, a suburbanised town on the fringe of Montgri where the Kahurangi family are probably at their most socially influential. Rich neighbourhood. Includes some of the local rural area to make up the numbers, but it's certainly the wealthier kind of rural area compared to the kind that Sana's character represents.
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Character Name: Carlo Rigoberto Saiden Estrada
Character Gender: M
Character Age: 60
Character Height: 6’0”
Character Weight: 176lbs
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Character Country of Origin: Eblanca
Character Country of Residence: Eblanca
Character Party Affiliation: New Liberal Coalition
Main Strengths: Strong Economic Record, many accomplishments, rich
Main Weaknesses: Big deficit, lost coalition, born with silver spoon, lame duck
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Carlos was born into a wealth Eblancan family in 1959. He was a child of intellect and privilege, enjoying the best schools and tutors money could buy. He was accepted at Harvard in 1977 to study economics and business management, graduating with honors in 81.

Returning home he worked for his families shipping company, turning a profit and making connections in the nations business community. Despite the successes of his family he was struck by the consistent crime and poverty in the city of Laguna (second largest city in the country) where his company was based. He became increasingly frustrated and politically involved until he ran for mayor in 1990.

He won a narrow victory as a member of the Liberal Coalition and served for two terms. During his time as mayor he took inspiration from New York City, implementing broken windows policing, anti-corruption measures and an expansive pro-business agenda. Crime went down and the economy went up. Carlo left the office and returned to his business highly popular with the people of Laguna, in 1998.

He remained working with the family business until 2002 when the Governor of Candon province appointed him to fulfill a vacancy in the Senate. He came just in time for the Liberal Coalition to reinvent itself into the New Liberal Coalition, which was much more focused on economic issues and a somewhat more populist message. Carlo found himself riding the wave into election in his own right in '05, inspired by the groundswell of support he began to rise through the ranks of his party, winning another election in '10 before running for President in '12.

Running on a platform of economic liberalization and more moderate social policies, Carlo took 57% of the vote. Carlo followed the lead of nations like India and China and began liberalizing the economy and freeing up trade. The highest corporate tax rate became 18% and regulation was slashed. The economy boomed, and unemployment fell, goods were cheaper and in '16 Carlo was re-elected with 58% of the vote.

But it was soon after that a massive crack emerged in the New Liberal Coalition. Unexpectedly a bill to legalize gay marriage passed through the Senate, the Catholic Church had long been a strong supporter of the Liberal Coalition but after its reformation, social issues had taken more and more of a back seat. Carlo signed the legalization into law, and the walls came tumbling down. Carlo had always been a moderate socially, even allowing abortion to be legal before the end of the first trimester, this bill was the last straw and the social conservatives deserted the coalition.

The NLC went from 58% of the Senate to 40% of the Parliament, many blamed Carlo who has since become somewhat of a lame duck in a divided Senate... Still Carlo's economic legacy is undeniable, with the country still growing at a steady rate. Unable to run for a third term Carlo now looks to the future.


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1990-1998 became mayor of city
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2012- 2020 President of Eblanca

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Postby Agarntrop » Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:38 pm

Gordano and Lysandus wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:I don't know how such a party could have ever entered government and that is not mentioned in the bio, but otherwise I'm willing to accept it. Also, what constituency does he hold?


When I talk about "entering government" in the weaknesses, I didn't mean nationally, I meant on a smaller local scale. My bad.

As for the constituency... let's go with Sagrado Corazón, a suburbanised town on the fringe of Montgri where the Kahurangi family are probably at their most socially influential. Rich neighbourhood. Includes some of the local rural area to make up the numbers, but it's certainly the wealthier kind of rural area compared to the kind that Sana's character represents.

It uses STV, there are only 15 constituencies in the country.
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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:40 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:
When I talk about "entering government" in the weaknesses, I didn't mean nationally, I meant on a smaller local scale. My bad.

As for the constituency... let's go with Sagrado Corazón, a suburbanised town on the fringe of Montgri where the Kahurangi family are probably at their most socially influential. Rich neighbourhood. Includes some of the local rural area to make up the numbers, but it's certainly the wealthier kind of rural area compared to the kind that Sana's character represents.

It uses STV, there are only 15 constituencies in the country.


Well then, if it's STV, there's definitely no issue with a fringe candidate managing to sneak in, so he could possibly get one of the Montgri seats or a seat neighbouring Montgri. I don't exactly have an intuitive sense of the electoral map.
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Postby Agarntrop » Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:41 pm

Gordano and Lysandus wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:It uses STV, there are only 15 constituencies in the country.


Well then, if it's STV, there's definitely no issue with a fringe candidate managing to sneak in, so he could possibly get one of the Montgri seats or a seat neighbouring Montgri. I don't exactly have an intuitive sense of the electoral map.

Nvm I'll just use that name anyway. App Accepted.
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Postby Sanabel » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:24 pm

Can we get estimated seat numbers for each party
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Postby Agarntrop » Wed Dec 25, 2019 3:39 am

Sanabel wrote:Can we get estimated seat numbers for each party

NLC - 30-40
CNPE - 20-30
Popular Front - 10-20
PVC - 5-10
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Dec 25, 2019 3:50 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Sanabel wrote:Can we get estimated seat numbers for each party

NLC - 30-40
CNPE - 20-30
Popular Front - 10-20
PVC - 5-10

Hmmm, could I suggest something here? As it stands now, there are two right wing parties that are really big. In other countries, you would see these parties constantly vying for the same base, so their combined vote share should probably be lower. I think it might be more interesting to see a better divide between left and right wing parties, rather than having the right wing parties hog all the votes.
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Postby Agarntrop » Wed Dec 25, 2019 4:08 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:NLC - 30-40
CNPE - 20-30
Popular Front - 10-20
PVC - 5-10

Hmmm, could I suggest something here? As it stands now, there are two right wing parties that are really big. In other countries, you would see these parties constantly vying for the same base, so their combined vote share should probably be lower. I think it might be more interesting to see a better divide between left and right wing parties, rather than having the right wing parties hog all the votes.

Hm ok.
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NLC - 30-40
Popular Front - 20-30
CNPE - 10-20
PVC - 5-10
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Wed Dec 25, 2019 4:18 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:NLC - 30-40
CNPE - 20-30
Popular Front - 10-20
PVC - 5-10

Hmmm, could I suggest something here? As it stands now, there are two right wing parties that are really big. In other countries, you would see these parties constantly vying for the same base, so their combined vote share should probably be lower. I think it might be more interesting to see a better divide between left and right wing parties, rather than having the right wing parties hog all the votes.

Well, not really. It makes sense. Due to there being no social democrat (i.e. centre-left) party, more moderate right-wing and centre-left voters would go to the NLC, which would moderate it to a degree, and the far-right and right would be safely (albeit the latter could be contested a bit) held in the hands of the CPE. Popular Front is pretty much stuck with the NLC fighting for left-wing (sort of Corbyn/La France Insoumise territory) voters and a far-left base.

An actual example of this in real life is France: Macron's LREM (similar to the NLC) and Le Pen's National Rally Party (similar to the CNPE) are the two major political parties as of last election, and one is centre-right whilst the other is far-right. Poland is also an example of this: Civic Platform have 119/450 seats and Law and Justice has 235/450 seats.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Wed Dec 25, 2019 4:36 am

Agarntrop wrote:NLC - 30-40
Popular Front - 20-30
CNPE - 10-20
PVC - 5-10

As I said before, I'd argue that the centre-left would swing NLC as opposed to EPF, and that the right-wing would swing CNPE, giving around this:

NLC: 35-40
CNPE: 25-30
EPF: 15-20
PVC: 5-10
Other: 0-20

A theoretical social democratic party would make the landscape like this:

CNPE: 25-30
SDP: 23-26
NLC: 22-26
EPF: 5-10
PVC: 5-8
Other: 0-20

Effectively making it a three-way dead heat. Whilst it does look like the CNPE is dominating (as these are higher-than-usual ratings thanks to the President's governance), it would most likely end up as an SDP-NLC-Other coalition, with other being most likely social liberals or greens. The CNPE would most likely not get into government without either a major swing in its direction, or a coalition with the PVC/far-right other.
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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Wed Dec 25, 2019 5:13 am

Well, it's Agarn's call at the end of the day as Original Prince, ultimately it comes down to the inherent culture and economy of the world he's created. Every nation's different, after all.
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Postby Sanabel » Wed Dec 25, 2019 6:06 am

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:NLC - 30-40
Popular Front - 20-30
CNPE - 10-20
PVC - 5-10

As I said before, I'd argue that the centre-left would swing NLC as opposed to EPF, and that the right-wing would swing CNPE, giving around this:

NLC: 35-40
CNPE: 25-30
EPF: 15-20
PVC: 5-10
Other: 0-20

A theoretical social democratic party would make the landscape like this:

CNPE: 25-30
SDP: 23-26
NLC: 22-26
EPF: 5-10
PVC: 5-8
Other: 0-20

Effectively making it a three-way dead heat. Whilst it does look like the CNPE is dominating (as these are higher-than-usual ratings thanks to the President's governance), it would most likely end up as an SDP-NLC-Other coalition, with other being most likely social liberals or greens. The CNPE would most likely not get into government without either a major swing in its direction, or a coalition with the PVC/far-right other.

Greens fall under the EPF
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Postby Sanabel » Wed Dec 25, 2019 6:08 am

Also, I’m not sure we should be comparing the situation in Eblanca to the electorate of European states.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:04 am

Sanabel wrote:Also, I’m not sure we should be comparing the situation in Eblanca to the electorate of European states.

Very well.

South Korea has two main parties: the DPK and the LKP. The DPK are centrists and the LKP are conservative. When combined, both hold 238/300 seats. Taiwan has something similar. Again, a strong centrist party (NLC) and a strong right-wing party (CNPE). South Korea, Taiwan, France, Italy and Poland all have a centrist/centre-right and a right-wing party in the top two.

Is it the predominant way? I mean, considering there are only 3 democratic (i.e. excluding HK and Singapore) East Asian MEDCs (Japan, South Korea and Taiwan), and the fact that two of them have this shows it might be likely for Eblanca to have this too.
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The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Sanabel wrote:Also, I’m not sure we should be comparing the situation in Eblanca to the electorate of European states.

Very well.

South Korea has two main parties: the DPK and the LKP. The DPK are centrists and the LKP are conservative. When combined, both hold 238/300 seats. Taiwan has something similar. Again, a strong centrist party (NLC) and a strong right-wing party (CNPE). South Korea, Taiwan, France, Italy and Poland all have a centrist/centre-right and a right-wing party in the top two.

Is it the predominant way? I mean, considering there are only 3 democratic (i.e. excluding HK and Singapore) East Asian MEDCs (Japan, South Korea and Taiwan), and the fact that two of them have this shows it might be likely for Eblanca to have this too.

NLC: 35-40
CNPE: 25-30
EPF: 15-20
PVC: 5-10
Other: 0-10

As WCC suggested, with the above evidence, this is the current seat count.
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NS Nation Name: The KL-22
Character Name: Tolani T. Savea
Character Gender: Male
Character Age: 46
Character Height: 1.86 m
Character Weight: 84.3 kg
Character Position/Role/Job: Senator from Forasteras (rural constituency with a high population of Polynesians in the South of Eblanca)
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Character Country of Origin: Eblanca
Character Country of Residence: Eblanca
Character Party Affiliation: Eblanca Popular Front
Main Strengths: High level of support from the indigenous Eblancan population, known to be principled, quite likeable.
Main Weaknesses: Honest to a fault, seen to be too radical by many.
Biography:
Born to a high ranking and traditionalist indigenous family in Forasteras constituency in 1974, Tolani was given a high-quality education as a result of his status. He began to move further to the left in politics from seeing the inequality present, both inside the indigenous Eblancan population and towards it. He and his two elder siblings therefore became slightly at odds, with Tolani often decrying the system of nobility present within the indigenous Eblancan population, while his siblings enjoyed the privilege it gave them. Tolani did excel at school, and as such, after graduation, went into university, studying political science and history in a dual degree.

After getting involved in a number of student union rallies, his parents refused to support his university education. As such, he got a job in an indigenous-Eblancan restaurant in his spare time. This largely had the effect of driving his politics further left, meeting many less well-off indigenous Eblancans to learn from. It was in the restaurant that he would meet his wife, Malia (née Sifu), yet another point of contention for his family, due to her family's low social status compared to Tolani's.

Tolani graduated from university in 1996, and almost immediately returned home to Forasteras. He set up an indigenous radio station in the local area, and gained quite a large following from the indigenous people there, a largely apolitical group in years prior. He became somewhat of a local celebrity, championing indigenous issues long before his nomination as Popular Front candidate for Forasteras in 2004, being elected in his own right in 2005. Becoming one of the Senators for Forasteras, he has served in this position since then.

During his tenure as Senator, he has consistently presented laws to bring the indigenous Eblancans into the prosperity present in the rest of Eblanca, as well as supporting left-wing economic policies and, increasingly of late, progressive social policies, such as supporting the recent same-sex marriage bill and other similarly progressive policies. He has remained popular in his constituency, continuing to serve after the 2010 and 2015 elections also. He retains highest support from the indigenous community, with the non-indigenous vote being somewhat less notable, but due to his constituency's high indigenous population, this does not dent his voting figures too heavily.
Other Info: Has been married to Malia Savea since 1998. His eldest brother is the current heir apparent of the indigenous title that the Savea family hold, while his sister is a local artist. Malia and Tolani have two children, a boy and a girl, both teenagers.

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NS Nation Name: The KL-22
Character Name: Tolani T. Savea
Character Gender: Male
Character Age: 46
Character Height: 1.86 m
Character Weight: 84.3 kg
Character Position/Role/Job: Senator from Forasteras (rural constituency with a high population of Polynesians in the South of Eblanca)
Appearance:
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Usually wears a suit during senate meetings.
Character Country of Origin: Eblanca
Character Country of Residence: Eblanca
Character Party Affiliation: Eblanca Popular Front
Main Strengths: High level of support from the indigenous Eblancan population, known to be principled, quite likeable.
Main Weaknesses: Honest to a fault, seen to be too radical by many.
Biography:
Born to a high ranking and traditionalist indigenous family in Forasteras constituency in 1974, Tolani was given a high-quality education as a result of his status. He began to move further to the left in politics from seeing the inequality present, both inside the indigenous Eblancan population and towards it. He and his two elder siblings therefore became slightly at odds, with Tolani often decrying the system of nobility present within the indigenous Eblancan population, while his siblings enjoyed the privilege it gave them. Tolani did excel at school, and as such, after graduation, went into university, studying political science and history in a dual degree.

After getting involved in a number of student union rallies, his parents refused to support his university education. As such, he got a job in an indigenous-Eblancan restaurant in his spare time. This largely had the effect of driving his politics further left, meeting many less well-off indigenous Eblancans to learn from. It was in the restaurant that he would meet his wife, Malia (née Sifu), yet another point of contention for his family, due to her family's low social status compared to Tolani's.

Tolani graduated from university in 1996, and almost immediately returned home to Forasteras. He set up an indigenous radio station in the local area, and gained quite a large following from the indigenous people there, a largely apolitical group in years prior. He became somewhat of a local celebrity, championing indigenous issues long before his nomination as Popular Front candidate for Forasteras in 2004, being elected in his own right in 2005. Becoming one of the Senators for Forasteras, he has served in this position since then.

During his tenure as Senator, he has consistently presented laws to bring the indigenous Eblancans into the prosperity present in the rest of Eblanca, as well as supporting left-wing economic policies and, increasingly of late, progressive social policies, such as supporting the recent same-sex marriage bill and other similarly progressive policies. He has remained popular in his constituency, continuing to serve after the 2010 and 2015 elections also. He retains highest support from the indigenous community, with the non-indigenous vote being somewhat less notable, but due to his constituency's high indigenous population, this does not dent his voting figures too heavily.
Other Info: Has been married to Malia Savea since 1998. His eldest brother is the current heir apparent of the indigenous title that the Savea family hold, while his sister is a local artist. Malia and Tolani have two children, a boy and a girl, both teenagers.

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Absolutely, bare in mind since its 2020 the upcoming Senate election (I will set a date soon!) will probably be the top issue.
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