NationStates

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:07 pm**

IMPORTANT UPDATE:
Sadly, our CO-OP and USA player Chewion has had to dropout of the roleplay. This ofcourse is heavily damaging as the USA is arguably the most important nation in the entire game. Now we are left with a few options on where to take the roleplay next. After speaking with some users in the discord, a few ideas have floated around. One is too allow a limited nuclear exchange between the USA and the PRC as a result of the SCS crisis to nerf the USA and give a reason for their removal. Now I did not want to take this action without consulting majority of players here. If it decided not to take this action, I will take the role of the USA and try to continue to play it consistent to how Chewion did.

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:28 pm**

So these are the choices effectively: Nukes go flying in a limited exchange, WW3, Normal politics, or my definite destruction. Am I missing anything?

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:37 pm**

Usa could just be npc while we wait for somebody else applies to fill the position

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:39 pm**

Republic of Turbin wrote:Usa could just be npc while we wait for somebody else applies to fill the position

I think the USA should be held by the OP until someone applies.

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:42 pm**

Agarntrop wrote:
Republic of Turbin wrote:Usa could just be npc while we wait for somebody else applies to fill the position

I think the USA should be held by the OP until someone applies.

Agreed.

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:22 pm**

No more poll

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:36 pm**

Basic Info
Name of Nation: Greece/Hellenic Republic
Location:

Population: 10,768,477

Government Info
Government Type: Unitary parliamentary republic
Head of Government: Kyriakos Mitsotakis
Head of State: Prokopis Pavlopoulos
Brief Description of your government:

The parliament is the 'Vouli of Greeks', with 300 MPs. The party that comes first in election gets a bonus of 50 seats. There is an electoral threshold of 3%. The Prime Minister needs to have the confidence of the Parliament and heads the government. The President has mostly ceremonial duties and is voted by a simple majority in Parliament.

The major parties are the center-right New Democracy (ruling party) and left-wing SYRIZA (major opposition). Other parties include the center-left Movement of Change, far-left Communist Party of Greece, right-wing Hellenic Solution and left-wing MeRA25.

Foreign policy Info
Allies: Cyprus, US, UK, European Union, Israel, Egypt, Libya (Haftar)
Enemies: Turkey, North Macedonia
Goals: Make Greece a European Singapore of sorts - attractive to investors, digitized public sector, low tax and high growth.
Level of Foreign Intervention: 2/10 - Main intervention is to support Cyprus against Turkish encroachment and diplomatic support to Haftar of Libya.

[b]Military Information:[/b]
Military Total Size: 200,000 active personnel
Army or Ground forces Size: 90,000 personnel
Navy Size: 30,000 personnel - 116 Warships and other boats
Marine Corps or Naval Infantry Size: 5 Battalions
Air Force Size: 33,000 personnel - 400+ aircraft
Main Infantry Weapons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Hellenic_Army
Number of Main Battle Tanks and types 1,254
Number of Infantry Fighting Vehicles and types: 2,550
Number of Self-Propelled Guns and types: 547
Number of Multiple Launch Rocket System and types: 463 Towed Artillery and 152 Rocket Projectors
Number of Naval Ships:

116 Warships & other Boats, including:
13 Frigates
11 Submarines
19 Missile Boats
10 Gunboats
9 Tank-landing Ships
6 Patrol Boats
48 Fleet Support & other Auxiliary Ships

27 Aircraft used by Navy

Number of Fighter Aircraft and Types:

154 F-16 Fighting Falcon.
42 Mirage 2000.

Number of Bomber/Attack Aircraft and Types:

34 F-4 Phantom II (PI-2000).

Miscellaneous Info
Reason you choose nation: I live in Greece, so it is the nation I know best
Previous RP experience: I have joined 'Eblanca' political RP
Anything Else?: Bravo Six Going Dark
42069(Don't delete, to find apps)

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:54 pm**

The Felan Federation wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:I think the USA should be held by the OP until someone applies.

Agreed.

I third that notion.

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:55 pm**

Sao Nova Europa wrote:Basic Info
Name of Nation: Greece/Hellenic Republic
Location:

([url=https://i.postimg.cc/BZpL6yrW/713px-EU-Greece-svg.png]Image)[/url]

Population: 10,768,477

Government Info
Government Type: Unitary parliamentary republic
Head of Government: Kyriakos Mitsotakis
Head of State: Prokopis Pavlopoulos
Brief Description of your government:

The parliament is the 'Vouli of Greeks', with 300 MPs. The party that comes first in election gets a bonus of 50 seats. There is an electoral threshold of 3%. The Prime Minister needs to have the confidence of the Parliament and heads the government. The President has mostly ceremonial duties and is voted by a simple majority in Parliament.

The major parties are the center-right New Democracy (ruling party) and left-wing SYRIZA (major opposition). Other parties include the center-left Movement of Change, far-left Communist Party of Greece, right-wing Hellenic Solution and left-wing MeRA25.

Foreign policy Info
Allies: Cyprus, US, UK, European Union, Israel, Egypt, Libya (Haftar)
Enemies: Turkey, North Macedonia
Goals: Make Greece a European Singapore of sorts - attractive to investors, digitized public sector, low tax and high growth.
Level of Foreign Intervention: 2/10 - Main intervention is to support Cyprus against Turkish encroachment and diplomatic support to Haftar of Libya.

[b]Military Information:[/b]
Military Total Size: 200,000 active personnel
Army or Ground forces Size: 90,000 personnel
Navy Size: 30,000 personnel - 116 Warships and other boats
Marine Corps or Naval Infantry Size: 5 Battalions
Air Force Size: 33,000 personnel - 400+ aircraft
Main Infantry Weapons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Hellenic_Army
Number of Main Battle Tanks and types 1,254
Number of Infantry Fighting Vehicles and types: 2,550
Number of Self-Propelled Guns and types: 547
Number of Multiple Launch Rocket System and types: 463 Towed Artillery and 152 Rocket Projectors
Number of Naval Ships:

116 Warships & other Boats, including:
13 Frigates
11 Submarines
19 Missile Boats
10 Gunboats
9 Tank-landing Ships
6 Patrol Boats
48 Fleet Support & other Auxiliary Ships

27 Aircraft used by Navy

Number of Fighter Aircraft and Types:

154 F-16 Fighting Falcon.
42 Mirage 2000.

Number of Bomber/Attack Aircraft and Types:

34 F-4 Phantom II (PI-2000).

Miscellaneous Info
Reason you choose nation: I live in Greece, so it is the nation I know best
Previous RP experience: I have joined 'Eblanca' political RP
Anything Else?: Bravo Six Going Dark
42069(Don't delete, to find apps)

Greece and Turkey are both NATO...

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:12 pm**

Ard al Islam wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:Basic Info
Name of Nation: Greece/Hellenic Republic
Location:

([url=https://i.postimg.cc/BZpL6yrW/713px-EU-Greece-svg.png]Image)[/url]

Population: 10,768,477

Government Info
Government Type: Unitary parliamentary republic
Head of Government: Kyriakos Mitsotakis
Head of State: Prokopis Pavlopoulos
Brief Description of your government:

The parliament is the 'Vouli of Greeks', with 300 MPs. The party that comes first in election gets a bonus of 50 seats. There is an electoral threshold of 3%. The Prime Minister needs to have the confidence of the Parliament and heads the government. The President has mostly ceremonial duties and is voted by a simple majority in Parliament.

The major parties are the center-right New Democracy (ruling party) and left-wing SYRIZA (major opposition). Other parties include the center-left Movement of Change, far-left Communist Party of Greece, right-wing Hellenic Solution and left-wing MeRA25.

Foreign policy Info
Allies: Cyprus, US, UK, European Union, Israel, Egypt, Libya (Haftar)
Enemies: Turkey, North Macedonia
Goals: Make Greece a European Singapore of sorts - attractive to investors, digitized public sector, low tax and high growth.
Level of Foreign Intervention: 2/10 - Main intervention is to support Cyprus against Turkish encroachment and diplomatic support to Haftar of Libya.

[b]Military Information:[/b]
Military Total Size: 200,000 active personnel
Army or Ground forces Size: 90,000 personnel
Navy Size: 30,000 personnel - 116 Warships and other boats
Marine Corps or Naval Infantry Size: 5 Battalions
Air Force Size: 33,000 personnel - 400+ aircraft
Main Infantry Weapons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Hellenic_Army
Number of Main Battle Tanks and types 1,254
Number of Infantry Fighting Vehicles and types: 2,550
Number of Self-Propelled Guns and types: 547
Number of Multiple Launch Rocket System and types: 463 Towed Artillery and 152 Rocket Projectors
Number of Naval Ships:

116 Warships & other Boats, including:
13 Frigates
11 Submarines
19 Missile Boats
10 Gunboats
9 Tank-landing Ships
6 Patrol Boats
48 Fleet Support & other Auxiliary Ships

27 Aircraft used by Navy

Number of Fighter Aircraft and Types:

154 F-16 Fighting Falcon.
42 Mirage 2000.

Number of Bomber/Attack Aircraft and Types:

34 F-4 Phantom II (PI-2000).

Miscellaneous Info
Reason you choose nation: I live in Greece, so it is the nation I know best
Previous RP experience: I have joined 'Eblanca' political RP
Anything Else?: Bravo Six Going Dark
42069(Don't delete, to find apps)

Greece and Turkey are both NATO...

They’re still rivals

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:01 pm**

The Hindustani State wrote:
Ard al Islam wrote:Greece and Turkey are both NATO...

They’re still rivals

But they can't fight each other.

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:31 pm**

Technically no, but practically yes. There is always the danger of a 'hot incident'. At the very least, there can be limited scale conflict for a few days.

Greece actually takes seriously this scenario, hence why it spends so much of its GDP on the military and is interested in purchasing new military equipment despite the crisis. Also living in Greece, I can tell you that the possibility of armed conflict with Turkey is taken seriously by the local media too.

Of course, such a military conflict doesn't have to happen and most likely will not happen but there is always that possibility and this justifies placing Turkey in the list of potential enemies.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:59 am**

Sao Nova Europa wrote:Basic Info
Name of Nation: Greece/Hellenic Republic
Location:

([url=https://i.postimg.cc/BZpL6yrW/713px-EU-Greece-svg.png]Image)[/url]

Population: 10,768,477

Government Info
Government Type: Unitary parliamentary republic
Head of Government: Kyriakos Mitsotakis
Head of State: Prokopis Pavlopoulos
Brief Description of your government:

The parliament is the 'Vouli of Greeks', with 300 MPs. The party that comes first in election gets a bonus of 50 seats. There is an electoral threshold of 3%. The Prime Minister needs to have the confidence of the Parliament and heads the government. The President has mostly ceremonial duties and is voted by a simple majority in Parliament.

The major parties are the center-right New Democracy (ruling party) and left-wing SYRIZA (major opposition). Other parties include the center-left Movement of Change, far-left Communist Party of Greece, right-wing Hellenic Solution and left-wing MeRA25.

Foreign policy Info
Allies: Cyprus, US, UK, European Union, Israel, Egypt, Libya (Haftar)
Enemies: Turkey, North Macedonia
Goals: Make Greece a European Singapore of sorts - attractive to investors, digitized public sector, low tax and high growth.
Level of Foreign Intervention: 2/10 - Main intervention is to support Cyprus against Turkish encroachment and diplomatic support to Haftar of Libya.

[b]Military Information:[/b]
Military Total Size: 200,000 active personnel
Army or Ground forces Size: 90,000 personnel
Navy Size: 30,000 personnel - 116 Warships and other boats
Marine Corps or Naval Infantry Size: 5 Battalions
Air Force Size: 33,000 personnel - 400+ aircraft
Main Infantry Weapons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Hellenic_Army
Number of Main Battle Tanks and types 1,254
Number of Infantry Fighting Vehicles and types: 2,550
Number of Self-Propelled Guns and types: 547
Number of Multiple Launch Rocket System and types: 463 Towed Artillery and 152 Rocket Projectors
Number of Naval Ships:

116 Warships & other Boats, including:
13 Frigates
11 Submarines
19 Missile Boats
10 Gunboats
9 Tank-landing Ships
6 Patrol Boats
48 Fleet Support & other Auxiliary Ships

27 Aircraft used by Navy

Number of Fighter Aircraft and Types:

154 F-16 Fighting Falcon.
42 Mirage 2000.

Number of Bomber/Attack Aircraft and Types:

34 F-4 Phantom II (PI-2000).

Miscellaneous Info
Reason you choose nation: I live in Greece, so it is the nation I know best
Previous RP experience: I have joined 'Eblanca' political RP
Anything Else?: Bravo Six Going Dark
42069(Don't delete, to find apps)

I thought Greece and North Macedonia worked out things?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:02 am**

Okay.

Not to burst your bubble Pakistan...

But how the heck can your people be 'safe' from chemical weapons - in the heart of the likely epicenter? I doubt you had much options in choosing your Embassies or expecting such a thing to happen in the first place.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:20 am**

Ard al Islam wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote:They’re still rivals

But they can't fight each other.

Most likely wouldn't happen, Cyprus is still a potential flashpoint.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:36 am**

The Felan Federation wrote:Okay.

Not to burst your bubble Pakistan...

But how the heck can your people be 'safe' from chemical weapons - in the heart of the likely epicenter? I doubt you had much options in choosing your Embassies or expecting such a thing to happen in the first place.

And that's where you're wrong.

I believe you understand that certain buildings can be outfitted with precautions to protect against highly advanced chemical weapons, let alone the sub-par ones used by third-world, tinpot dictatorships. Such precautions can include rooms far underground, gear(gas masks, etc.) stocked within the building, walls that are built to keep these things out, etc. So yes, it is possible that the people are safe in the bunker of a building they're trapped in.

As for your second point, both parts of it are wrong. The nation building its embassy in another nation has every option to build it; they build it themselves, in their own design. Pakistan themselves built their embassy, so they can place precautions. They built the thing themselves exactly how they wanted it.

As for expecting it? Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was no fool. He knew he couldn't build an embassy in the middle of a country like North Korea without preparing it in case of total war and anarchy in the country. Zulfiqar knew North Korea was unstable, so he had the embassy built like a bunker. This is why I said that he thought of everything in the IC. Perhaps you should read other's posts more carefully.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:41 am**

Karimi Arabia, perhaps bringing a ship into the Yellow Sea is not a feasible idea, as you'd have to pass through the South China Sea in the process. Not something I'd recommend you do. What with the stuff going on there right now. Perhaps just fly them back over mainland China to Peshawar?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:09 pm**

For everyone who hasn’t joined the discord yet, you probably should. A lot more discussion there

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:41 pm**

Yo is it possible we can switch nations? I've been speaking to Ard al Islam and he's way more active than me. I think he's more deserving to play Pakistan than I am. I think a small nation like Afghanistan would be good for me. I can just do what the Congo player does and focus on reforming my country. Ard al Islam and I have spoken and we both decided to switch.

So I ask that Ard al Islam give control of Afghanistan to me and I give control of Pakistan to him.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:49 pm**

Karimi Arabia wrote:Yo is it possible we can switch nations? I've been speaking to Ard al Islam and he's way more active than me. I think he's more deserving to play Pakistan than I am. I think a small nation like Afghanistan would be good for me. I can just do what the Congo player does and focus on reforming my country. Ard al Islam and I have spoken and we both decided to switch.

So I ask that Ard al Islam give control of Afghanistan to me and I give control of Pakistan to him.

Yeah you guys can switch if you’d like

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:22 pm**

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Karimi Arabia wrote:Yo is it possible we can switch nations? I've been speaking to Ard al Islam and he's way more active than me. I think he's more deserving to play Pakistan than I am. I think a small nation like Afghanistan would be good for me. I can just do what the Congo player does and focus on reforming my country. Ard al Islam and I have spoken and we both decided to switch.

So I ask that Ard al Islam give control of Afghanistan to me and I give control of Pakistan to him.

Yeah you guys can switch if you’d like

Just confirming that I did indeed agree to this. Also, thank you.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:23 pm**

From this moment on, Ard al Islam shall roleplay as Pakistan, and Karimi Arabia shall roleplay as Afghanistan.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:20 pm**

Indian just escalated things

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:09 pm**

The Hindustani State wrote:Indian just escalated things

1 missile? Also which ship did you fire it at?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:42 pm**

For the time being I have to rescind myself from the rp due to irl commitments

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