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Kamchakta
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Postby Kamchakta » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:33 pm

Nebelhalbinsel wrote:
Kamchakta wrote:
Country Name: French Republic
Head of State/Government: Prime Minister Henri Queuille
Type of Government: Unitary Semi-Presidential Democracy
Capital: Paris
Map/location: France and all her colonies in 1950
Population: 51,103,300 (Metropoliton) 87,221,562 (Colonial) - 138.7 Million (Total)
Faction: Western Aligned (Not in NATO)
History: Same as French History IRL (No Changes) Although


Future Intentions: A more labour/socialist government will be voted in to begin some decolonisation.


I'm planning to participate in this RP as French Indochina, can I have your permission to or do I have to wait after the decolonisation effort complete ?


Sure, you can be Indochina. I really don't want a protracted independence war. You can submit your app first. Then on my first turn, I will do an event of instability there and the French decision to release Indochina as an independent nation and helping it transition.

Although, I would like to keep French bases at Saigon and Hai Phong.
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Lemlar
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Postby Lemlar » Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:05 pm

Nation Name: Patagonia
Official Language: Spanish
Religion: Catholic
Currency: Peso
Area: 3,536,500 km^2
Population: 23,293,234
Capital: Santiago
Largest City: Buenos Aires
Highest Point: Aconcagua 6,960 m
Lowest Point: Laguna del Carbón -105 m
Government Type: Federal presidential constitutional republic
President: Juan Peron
Vice President: Gabriel Videla
Faction: Pro US/UK NATO
Location: Chile-Argentina

History:

Due to a major financial crisis within Chile the nations government was in a state of chaos, when the president and the VP along with the Speaker of the House, decided to dissolve the parliament. Argentina took notice and offered to assist the Chileans with their financial issues by purchasing 4/5th of the Chilean ports, and factories. Argentinian companies soon moved in and hired and trained the locals. The Chileans were moved by this gesture and decided to enter into a Federation with the Argentinians. The Chileans and Argentinians now call their nation Patagonia after a shared region, and have made Santiago the political capital while retaining Buenos Aires the Economic and judicial Capital. Juan Peron took the Chilean President Gabriel Videla as his vice president to keep the Chileans happy. In the new constitution, the president and vice president must not be from the same nation to prevent a power imbalance. Argentina, now with more land to use and a better economy with the union, has decided to drop their claims to the Falklands, with a condition that Argentines get visa free travel to the islands for vacation purposes. Chileans support this. The Federation was created as a counter to the Portuguese speaking Brazilian nation as it was the dominant nation in South America, and Chile and Argentina wanted to create a Spanish powerhouse in South America. Uruguay, on the counsel of the first lady, born in Argentina, asked to join and was included in the Federation. The Federation was founded on these terms. Despite being created to counter Brazil, the nation seeks to partner with Brazil in issues affecting South and Latin America as a whole.

1.All nations will join willingly.
2. A bicameral system will be created like the US system with a House of Representatives for proportional representation, and a Senate for equal representation with 10 members from each nation elected by each republic as a whole. House will represent Federation with no regard for the three republics, and MPs will be allowed to form political parties. Senate will be nonpartisan members.
3. All republics will contribute to the economy and national defence.
4.The cabinet will comprise of equal representations of the republics.
5.The President, Vice President, and Speaker of the House cannot be from the same republic.

(Could I add Uruguay?)
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Kamchakta
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Postby Kamchakta » Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:35 pm

Lemlar wrote:Nation Name: Patagonia
Official Language: Spanish
Religion: Catholic
Currency: Peso
Area: 3,536,500 km^2
Population: 23,293,234
Capital: Santiago
Largest City: Buenos Aires
Highest Point: Aconcagua 6,960 m
Lowest Point: Laguna del Carbón -105 m
Government Type: Federal presidential constitutional republic
President: Juan Peron
Vice President: Gabriel Videla
Faction: Pro US/UK NATO
Location: Chile-Argentina

History:

Due to a major financial crisis within Chile the nations government was in a state of chaos, when the president and the VP along with the Speaker of the House, decided to dissolve the parliament. Argentina took notice and offered to assist the Chileans with their financial issues by purchasing 4/5th of the Chilean ports, and factories. Argentinian companies soon moved in and hired and trained the locals. The Chileans were moved by this gesture and decided to enter into a Federation with the Argentinians. The Chileans and Argentinians now call their nation Patagonia after a shared region, and have made Santiago the political capital while retaining Buenos Aires the Economic and judicial Capital. Juan Peron took the Chilean President Gabriel Videla as his vice president to keep the Chileans happy. In the new constitution, the president and vice president must not be from the same nation to prevent a power imbalance. Argentina, now with more land to use and a better economy with the union, has decided to drop their claims to the Falklands, with a condition that Argentines get visa free travel to the islands for vacation purposes. Chileans support this. The Federation was created as a counter to the Portuguese speaking Brazilian nation as it was the dominant nation in South America, and Chile and Argentina wanted to create a Spanish powerhouse in South America. Uruguay, on the counsel of the first lady, born in Argentina, asked to join and was included in the Federation. The Federation was founded on these terms. Despite being created to counter Brazil, the nation seeks to partner with Brazil in issues affecting South and Latin America as a whole.

1.All nations will join willingly.
2. A bicameral system will be created like the US system with a House of Representatives for proportional representation, and a Senate for equal representation with 10 members from each nation elected by each republic as a whole. House will represent Federation with no regard for the three republics, and MPs will be allowed to form political parties. Senate will be nonpartisan members.
3. All republics will contribute to the economy and national defence.
4.The cabinet will comprise of equal representations of the republics.
5.The President, Vice President, and Speaker of the House cannot be from the same republic.

(Could I add Uruguay?)


I think if Uruguay is added you will have to make Portuguese and accepted language too. But I am not in charge so idk if you can add them in.
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Lemlar
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Postby Lemlar » Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:53 pm

Kamchakta wrote:
Lemlar wrote:Nation Name: Patagonia
Official Language: Spanish
Other Languages: Portuguese, Italian
Religion: Catholic
Currency: Peso
Area: 3,536,500 km^2
Population: 23,293,234
Capital: Santiago
Largest City: Buenos Aires
Highest Point: Aconcagua 6,960 m
Lowest Point: Laguna del Carbón -105 m
Government Type: Federal presidential constitutional republic
President: Juan Peron
Vice President: Gabriel Videla
Faction: Pro US/UK NATO
Location: Chile-Argentina

History:

Due to a major financial crisis within Chile the nations government was in a state of chaos, when the president and the VP along with the Speaker of the House, decided to dissolve the parliament. Argentina took notice and offered to assist the Chileans with their financial issues by purchasing 4/5th of the Chilean ports, and factories. Argentinian companies soon moved in and hired and trained the locals. The Chileans were moved by this gesture and decided to enter into a Federation with the Argentinians. The Chileans and Argentinians now call their nation Patagonia after a shared region, and have made Santiago the political capital while retaining Buenos Aires the Economic and judicial Capital. Juan Peron took the Chilean President Gabriel Videla as his vice president to keep the Chileans happy. In the new constitution, the president and vice president must not be from the same nation to prevent a power imbalance. Argentina, now with more land to use and a better economy with the union, has decided to drop their claims to the Falklands, with a condition that Argentines get visa free travel to the islands for vacation purposes. Chileans support this. The Federation was created as a counter to the Portuguese speaking Brazilian nation as it was the dominant nation in South America, and Chile and Argentina wanted to create a Spanish powerhouse in South America. Uruguay, on the counsel of the first lady, born in Argentina, asked to join and was included in the Federation. The Federation was founded on these terms. Despite being created to counter Brazil, the nation seeks to partner with Brazil in issues affecting South and Latin America as a whole.

1.All nations will join willingly.
2. A bicameral system will be created like the US system with a House of Representatives for proportional representation, and a Senate for equal representation with 10 members from each nation elected by each republic as a whole. House will represent Federation with no regard for the three republics, and MPs will be allowed to form political parties. Senate will be nonpartisan members.
3. All republics will contribute to the economy and national defence.
4.The cabinet will comprise of equal representations of the republics.
5.The President, Vice President, and Speaker of the House cannot be from the same republic.

(Could I add Uruguay?)


I think if Uruguay is added you will have to make Portuguese and accepted language too. But I am not in charge so idk if you can add them in.

Uruguay is a spanish speaking nation, but I will add a protected languages list.
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Nebelhalbinsel
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Postby Nebelhalbinsel » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:56 pm

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Dentali
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Postby Dentali » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:41 pm

Nebelhalbinsel wrote:
Country Name : People's Federation of Indochina.
Head of State/Government : Nguyễn Sinh Cung.

Type of Government : Oligarchy.
Capital : Hà Nội

Map : Indochina's Map.

Population : 84,000,000 citizens.
Faction : None
History : Once a Southeast Asian colony of the French Empire, after the decolonization process completed, Indochina became an independent nation.



i'm going to say no here. Its a massive landmass with a huge number of cultural groups with multiple religions with thousands of years of history of killing each other. Indochina cant be released in one chunk
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Dentali
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Postby Dentali » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:46 pm

Kamchakta wrote:
Lemlar wrote:Nation Name: Patagonia
Official Language: Spanish
Religion: Catholic
Currency: Peso
Area: 3,536,500 km^2
Population: 23,293,234
Capital: Santiago
Largest City: Buenos Aires
Highest Point: Aconcagua 6,960 m
Lowest Point: Laguna del Carbón -105 m
Government Type: Federal presidential constitutional republic
President: Juan Peron
Vice President: Gabriel Videla
Faction: Pro US/UK NATO
Location: Chile-Argentina

History:

Due to a major financial crisis within Chile the nations government was in a state of chaos, when the president and the VP along with the Speaker of the House, decided to dissolve the parliament. Argentina took notice and offered to assist the Chileans with their financial issues by purchasing 4/5th of the Chilean ports, and factories. Argentinian companies soon moved in and hired and trained the locals. The Chileans were moved by this gesture and decided to enter into a Federation with the Argentinians. The Chileans and Argentinians now call their nation Patagonia after a shared region, and have made Santiago the political capital while retaining Buenos Aires the Economic and judicial Capital. Juan Peron took the Chilean President Gabriel Videla as his vice president to keep the Chileans happy. In the new constitution, the president and vice president must not be from the same nation to prevent a power imbalance. Argentina, now with more land to use and a better economy with the union, has decided to drop their claims to the Falklands, with a condition that Argentines get visa free travel to the islands for vacation purposes. Chileans support this. The Federation was created as a counter to the Portuguese speaking Brazilian nation as it was the dominant nation in South America, and Chile and Argentina wanted to create a Spanish powerhouse in South America. Uruguay, on the counsel of the first lady, born in Argentina, asked to join and was included in the Federation. The Federation was founded on these terms. Despite being created to counter Brazil, the nation seeks to partner with Brazil in issues affecting South and Latin America as a whole.

1.All nations will join willingly.
2. A bicameral system will be created like the US system with a House of Representatives for proportional representation, and a Senate for equal representation with 10 members from each nation elected by each republic as a whole. House will represent Federation with no regard for the three republics, and MPs will be allowed to form political parties. Senate will be nonpartisan members.
3. All republics will contribute to the economy and national defence.
4.The cabinet will comprise of equal representations of the republics.
5.The President, Vice President, and Speaker of the House cannot be from the same republic.

(Could I add Uruguay?)


I think if Uruguay is added you will have to make Portuguese and accepted language too. But I am not in charge so idk if you can add them in.



Considering the decades of bad relations between the two nations, I would find it quite odd they united. Also "by purchasing 4/5th of the Chilean ports, and factories" what does this even mean? Argentina just financially took over the country and everyone was happy about it? Thats not how it works, and Argentina has nowhere near the financial power for that kind of takeover
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Postby Nazeroth » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:03 pm

Contemplating Spain, Cuba or NK/China idk though, lots of choices.
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Postby State of Yelm » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:28 pm

Nazeroth wrote:Contemplating Spain, Cuba or NK/China idk though, lots of choices.


I think it's just Korea at this point.
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Kamchakta
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Postby Kamchakta » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:56 pm

Nebelhalbinsel wrote:
Country Name : People's Federation of Indochina.
Head of State/Government : Nguyễn Sinh Cung.

Type of Government : Oligarchy.
Capital : Hà Nội

Map : Indochina's Map.

Population : 84,000,000 citizens.
Faction : None
History : Once a Southeast Asian colony of the French Empire, after the decolonization process completed, Indochina became an independent nation.


In 1950, Vietnam had 28 million, Cambodia had 4 million and Laos had little under 1 million with a combined population of Indochina being 33 million. Are you sure 84 million is realistic?

Also, I was wondering how such a state would run due to the diverse culture present unless your nation was extremely dictatorial which France would not allow occurring.
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Postby Asardia » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:18 am

Lemlar wrote:Nation Name: Patagonia
Official Language: Spanish
Religion: Catholic
Currency: Peso
Area: 3,536,500 km^2
Population: 23,293,234
Capital: Santiago
Largest City: Buenos Aires
Highest Point: Aconcagua 6,960 m
Lowest Point: Laguna del Carbón -105 m
Government Type: Federal presidential constitutional republic
President: Juan Peron
Vice President: Gabriel Videla
Faction: Pro US/UK NATO
Location: Chile-Argentina

History:

Due to a major financial crisis within Chile the nations government was in a state of chaos, when the president and the VP along with the Speaker of the House, decided to dissolve the parliament. Argentina took notice and offered to assist the Chileans with their financial issues by purchasing 4/5th of the Chilean ports, and factories. Argentinian companies soon moved in and hired and trained the locals. The Chileans were moved by this gesture and decided to enter into a Federation with the Argentinians. The Chileans and Argentinians now call their nation Patagonia after a shared region, and have made Santiago the political capital while retaining Buenos Aires the Economic and judicial Capital. Juan Peron took the Chilean President Gabriel Videla as his vice president to keep the Chileans happy. In the new constitution, the president and vice president must not be from the same nation to prevent a power imbalance. Argentina, now with more land to use and a better economy with the union, has decided to drop their claims to the Falklands, with a condition that Argentines get visa free travel to the islands for vacation purposes. Chileans support this. The Federation was created as a counter to the Portuguese speaking Brazilian nation as it was the dominant nation in South America, and Chile and Argentina wanted to create a Spanish powerhouse in South America. Uruguay, on the counsel of the first lady, born in Argentina, asked to join and was included in the Federation. The Federation was founded on these terms. Despite being created to counter Brazil, the nation seeks to partner with Brazil in issues affecting South and Latin America as a whole.

1.All nations will join willingly.
2. A bicameral system will be created like the US system with a House of Representatives for proportional representation, and a Senate for equal representation with 10 members from each nation elected by each republic as a whole. House will represent Federation with no regard for the three republics, and MPs will be allowed to form political parties. Senate will be nonpartisan members.
3. All republics will contribute to the economy and national defence.
4.The cabinet will comprise of equal representations of the republics.
5.The President, Vice President, and Speaker of the House cannot be from the same republic.

(Could I add Uruguay?)


1: Chile and Argentina joining is already bizarre. It's the equivalent of Canada going through an economic crisis, and the USA assists them, and Canadians say "ayy let's enter into a federation with them."

2: Why exactly are these nations even doing this in the first place? They fought brutal wars against each other, and wouldn't an alliance between them make more sense? Take this for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War

Just because these nations are neighbors, it doesn't mean they'll be friendly with each other.

Nazeroth wrote:Contemplating Spain, Cuba or NK/China idk though, lots of choices.


I would like to see someone be either NK or China to prepare for the Korean War

Nebelhalbinsel wrote:
Country Name : People's Federation of Indochina.
Head of State/Government : Nguyễn Sinh Cung.

Type of Government : Oligarchy.
Capital : Hà Nội

Map : Indochina's Map.

Population : 84,000,000 citizens.
Faction : None
History : Once a Southeast Asian colony of the French Empire, after the decolonization process completed, Indochina became an independent nation.


1: What exactly do you mean by "decolonization process"? The First Indochina War would still ongoing, and Vietnam declared independence following the end of WW2.

2: This app suffers from the same issues with Lemlar's South America. First thing is that the colonies were just that: Colonies. They were designed to improve French prestige and influence. That's why the arbitrary borders drawn in the middle east and Africa caused so much violence and instability, which continues even now, decades later.

3: The reason I ask for a history section to be filled out is to make sure you guys actually know the histories and situations of the nations you're RPing as. If France decided to release the entire thing as one country instead of a partition like irl, then you would see a massive collapse. Angola, for example, went through a civil war right after independence. But perhaps the best example is India: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... story.html

State of Yelm wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:Contemplating Spain, Cuba or NK/China idk though, lots of choices.


I think it's just Korea at this point.


Korea was split after WW2, and both sides would still exist in 1950
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Postby The Felan Federation » Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:49 am

Asardia wrote:
New Finnish Republic wrote:In that case, I think I'll go with the German option. Consider this a reservation, I'll try to get an actual application up tonight.


West Germany will be reserved

Agarntrop wrote:I decided to ditch France and go a bit outside of the box.
Country Name: Ethiopia (occupied by the UK)
Head of State/Government: Emperor Haile Selassie I (head of state), Prime Minister Mekonnen Endelkachew (head of government), Alan Francis Brooke (British military governor).
Type of Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Addis Abada
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) The borders of Eithiopia before the italo-Ethiopian war (same as the modern borders of Ethiopia)
Population: 55,466,424 (this is a lot higher than irl in 1950 because of industrialisation)
Faction: Officially non-aligned, but occupied by a NATO member state.
History: Following the unification of Ethiopia into one dynasty in 1894, Ethiopia's emperor, Menalik II, pursues a policy of industrialising the nation to make it to the same standard of modernity to the western powers that tried - and failed - to colonise it during the (first (in rl timeline)) Italo-Ethiopian war. Between the end of the Italo-Ethiopian war and the start of the second world war, overall production in Ethiopia multiplies by over 20, and the length of Ethiopia's railroads multiplies by over 1000. Ethiopia is a member of the Entente Powers during the first world war, despite having minimal involvement, due to their good relationship with the British and French. However, Ethiopia begins to make agreements with their former worst enemies, the Itallians lead by Mussolini, in the 1920s and 1930s following their co-operation during the first world war as Entente Powers and make an infamous secretive pact to divide and conquer British and French colonies in the area, giving Ethiopia sea access. Ethiopia joins the second world war on the side of the Axis on the same day as the Itallians, successfully capturing and dividing British and French Somaliland but reaching a stalemate in the Kenya Colony. However, Britain successfully counterattacks and Ethiopia eventually surrenders in 1944 after a long and brutal campaign, with their Emperor and government exiled in Berlin. Ethiopia is placed under British occupation. After the German surrender, Ethiopia's leaders are captured and the majority are executed for war crimes in 1946, although the Emperor is allowed to stay in a strictly ceremonial position due to his sanctity to Ethiopian culture. As of 1950, Ethiopia is still under British occupation.

I won't be able to post much IC until Oct 29th.


Ethiopia joining the Italians? Accepted

State of Yelm wrote:I'm excited for this.


IC will be up later this week and we can start our war mongering quickly

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Country Name: German Democratic Republic (commonly known as East Germany or the GDR)
Head of State/Government: The joint Chairmen of the Socialist Unity Party of Germany are Wilhelm Pieck and Otto Grotewohl.
Type of Government: Socialist 'Worker's and Peasants' State, Marxist-Leninist.
Capital: East Berlin
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) East Germany according to the Potsdam Agreement.
Population: 18,388,000
Faction: Eastern Bloc
History: The German Democratic Republic (GDR) was created out of the Soviet-occupied zone of East Germany. For the extent of Soviet-occupation, East Germany was was under the military control of the USSR, until administration was seceded to the newly formed GDR government. The GDR operated as an independent state, though heavily aligned with the USSR, in 1949 when the two joint Chairmen of the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (Wilhelm Pieck and Otto Grotewohl) assumed control of the parties apparatus. During this time, the leadership of the GDR was becoming significantly concerned with defections to the West through West Berlin and across the border. The question as to how to prevent the brain-drain, as many intellectuals see the regime as too controlling and repressive, from hurting the East German economy.


Dentali wrote:Country Name: United States of America
Head of State/Government: Harry Truman
Type of Government: Representative Democracy
Capital: Washington DC
Map/location: US Territory in 1950, US Occupation Zone in Germany, US Occupation Zone in Austria, the Philippines, everything the United States controlled IRL in 1950
Population: 152 Million
Faction: NATO
History: All IRL USA History, i'm not changing anything


Kamchakta wrote:
Country Name: French Republic
Head of State/Government: Prime Minister Henri Queuille
Type of Government: Unitary Semi-Presidential Democracy
Capital: Paris
Map/location: France and all her colonies in 1950
Population: 51,103,300 (Metropoliton) 87,221,562 (Colonial) - 138.7 Million (Total)
Faction: Western Aligned (Not in NATO)
History: Same as French History IRL (No Changes) Although


Future Intentions: A more labour/socialist government will be voted in to begin some decolonisation.


Accepted

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Country Name: Kingdom of Italy
Head of State: King Umberto II
Head of Government: Prime Minister Alcide De Gasperi
Capital: Rome
Map/location: Italy, Eritrea and Somalia
Population: 50,355,982
Faction: NATO
History: WIP

Just reserve me for this meanwhile. I might finish this before November.


Italy will be reserved

Chinese Kaohsiung wrote:I'm just going to stay as malaysia. and get things spicy in the region during the 60s


I'll have Malaysia reserved until your app gets up

The Felan Federation wrote:May I tag India?

Perhaps as a colony for any UK player?


India should be independent now. It was partitioned in 1947

Hypron wrote:
Country Name: United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland
Head of State/Government: King George VI/ Prime Minister Clement Attlee
Type of Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: London, England
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) The British Empire except India (I cant upload a picture to here as the website i used to use stopped working)
Population: 412,000,000
Faction: NATO
History: After the first world wars gripped the Empire, major political and economic problems gripped the nation. This was made even worse by The Great Depression, sending the British economy into free-fall. By 1939, however, Britain was a economic powerhouse once more. This came into play during WW2, when they needed this money to buy equipment from the United States. The British Empire was one of the Major powers in WW2, defeating Germany and Japan and bringing balance to Europe. The British Prime Minister, Clement Attlee, was able to restore the production to pre-war levels, although the debt of the Empire was still high.


Ah, who doesn't love being a empire?


I believe the map I currently have linked in the OP correctly lists all British holdings at this time, so it's no big deal. This is accepted, and I'll see what needs to be done before the IC is up




I trust Dentali and Felan to be Co OPs once again if they want


I had a mind to play an India NOT-divided. Invoking the 1945 PoD - in the case, the Indian General Election happened in 1945. Perhaps I can tweak a few things, that would ensure the Indian National Congress agreeing to compromise with the Muslim League and perhaps create a Confederacy or a Federation? Or perhaps even outline a 'future partition' over a longer period?

Also. Sure. I can be your Co-GM.
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Arvenia
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Postby Arvenia » Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:12 am

Arvenia wrote:
Country Name: Kingdom of Italy
Head of State: King Umberto II
Head of Government: Prime Minister Alcide De Gasperi
Capital: Rome
Map/location: Italy, Eritrea and Somalia
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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:31 am

Country Name: Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea
Head of State/Government: Kim il-sung
Type of Government: juch single-party dictatorship
Capital: Pyongyang
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) NK 1950 borders
Population: 9,471,140
Faction: Soviet-aligned
History: same as NK in 1950 for the most part, NK relies heavily on soviet and chinese support though mosty soviet. Kim Il-sung is creating a personality cult to rival even Stalin and believes that he must liberate south korea and even beyond if he must. Currently in 1950, the DPRK is in a phase of re-armament thanks to the soviets providing surplus ww2 armaments. The dream of a Greater DPRK twinkles in kim il sungs eyes.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:18 pm

Country Name: Empire of Japan
Head of State/Government: Emperor Hirohito
Type of Government: Absolute Monarchy/de facto military dictatorship
Capital: Tokyo
Map/location: The Home Islands of Japan, Formosa, Korea, the Kurils, Karafuto, and Manchukuo
Population: 95 Million
Faction: Neutral, fervently Anti-Communist, however.
History: By 1945, the course of the Second World War had firmly turned against the Empire since the initiation of hostiles with the Western Powers in December of 1941. The Imperial Navy had largely been sent on a death ride the previous fall, while the American conquest of the Marianas allowed for mass aerial bombardment of the Home Islands. Yet, the Imperial Army retained millions of men under arms and the battles of Okinawa and Iwo Jima, despite being defeats, had saw the IJA inflict equal casualties upon the United States, an event which struck terror into the Pentagon and American military leaders as the decisive battle-the invasion of Japan-loomed large. By August, the USAAF would undertake the nuclear destruction of Hiroshima, Kokura and Niigata in an effort to break IGHQ's willpower. Although this effort nearly succeeded in encouraging the Emperor to seek peace, a coup of militarists in what became known as the 8-15 Incident successfully prevented this.

As the Second World War in the Pacific continued, the United States was forced to undertake Operation Downfall in the hopes of finally forcing the Empire to cease resistance. Unfortunately for the American forces, by November the Imperial Army had amassed over 900,000 men in Kyushu in well prepared defenses, backed by over 9,000 aircraft of which 6,250 were reserved Kamikaze attacks that were launched as the U.S. invasion developed. Outnumbered, with heavy naval losses due to Japanese attacks, the invasion would fail. In the context of rising war weariness, the United States would ultimately come to the decision to seek a political end to the war, resulting in the "Core" territories of the Empire-the Home Islands, Korea, Formosa, Kurils, Karafuto and, most importantly, Manchuria-being retained under the continued dominance of Tokyo. Decisive fighting in mainland Asia would allow the Empire to likewise fend off the Soviet invasion, with heavy losses on both sides; China, however, would prove incapable of being kept, militarily or diplomatically as all the powers were in agreement on the issue.
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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:31 pm

While that concept of japan is interesting the soviets and allies would have declared on japan, so while maybe the mainland and a few island might remain, no way what you asked should be allowed.
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Postby Dentali » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:37 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Country Name: Empire of Japan
Head of State/Government: Emperor Hirohito
Type of Government: Absolute Monarchy/de facto military dictatorship
Capital: Tokyo
Map/location: The Home Islands of Japan, Formosa, Korea, the Kurils, Karafuto, and Manchukuo
Population: 95 Million
Faction: Neutral, fervently Anti-Communist, however.
History: By 1945, the course of the Second World War had firmly turned against the Empire since the initiation of hostiles with the Western Powers in December of 1941. The Imperial Navy had largely been sent on a death ride the previous fall, while the American conquest of the Marianas allowed for mass aerial bombardment of the Home Islands. Yet, the Imperial Army retained millions of men under arms and the battles of Okinawa and Iwo Jima, despite being defeats, had saw the IJA inflict equal casualties upon the United States, an event which struck terror into the Pentagon and American military leaders as the decisive battle-the invasion of Japan-loomed large. By August, the USAAF would undertake the nuclear destruction of Hiroshima, Kokura and Niigata in an effort to break IGHQ's willpower. Although this effort nearly succeeded in encouraging the Emperor to seek peace, a coup of militarists in what became known as the 8-15 Incident successfully prevented this.

As the Second World War in the Pacific continued, the United States was forced to undertake Operation Downfall in the hopes of finally forcing the Empire to cease resistance. Unfortunately for the American forces, by November the Imperial Army had amassed over 900,000 men in Kyushu in well prepared defenses, backed by over 9,000 aircraft of which 6,250 were reserved Kamikaze attacks that were launched as the U.S. invasion developed. Outnumbered, with heavy naval losses due to Japanese attacks, the invasion would fail. In the context of rising war weariness, the United States would ultimately come to the decision to seek a political end to the war, resulting in the "Core" territories of the Empire-the Home Islands, Korea, Formosa, Kurils, Karafuto and, most importantly, Manchuria-being retained under the continued dominance of Tokyo. Decisive fighting in mainland Asia would allow the Empire to likewise fend off the Soviet invasion, with heavy losses on both sides; China, however, would prove incapable of being kept, militarily or diplomatically as all the powers were in agreement on the issue.



Point of divergence is postwar. So none of this is okay sorry
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:39 pm

Dentali wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Country Name: Empire of Japan
Head of State/Government: Emperor Hirohito
Type of Government: Absolute Monarchy/de facto military dictatorship
Capital: Tokyo
Map/location: The Home Islands of Japan, Formosa, Korea, the Kurils, Karafuto, and Manchukuo
Population: 95 Million
Faction: Neutral, fervently Anti-Communist, however.
History: By 1945, the course of the Second World War had firmly turned against the Empire since the initiation of hostiles with the Western Powers in December of 1941. The Imperial Navy had largely been sent on a death ride the previous fall, while the American conquest of the Marianas allowed for mass aerial bombardment of the Home Islands. Yet, the Imperial Army retained millions of men under arms and the battles of Okinawa and Iwo Jima, despite being defeats, had saw the IJA inflict equal casualties upon the United States, an event which struck terror into the Pentagon and American military leaders as the decisive battle-the invasion of Japan-loomed large. By August, the USAAF would undertake the nuclear destruction of Hiroshima, Kokura and Niigata in an effort to break IGHQ's willpower. Although this effort nearly succeeded in encouraging the Emperor to seek peace, a coup of militarists in what became known as the 8-15 Incident successfully prevented this.

As the Second World War in the Pacific continued, the United States was forced to undertake Operation Downfall in the hopes of finally forcing the Empire to cease resistance. Unfortunately for the American forces, by November the Imperial Army had amassed over 900,000 men in Kyushu in well prepared defenses, backed by over 9,000 aircraft of which 6,250 were reserved Kamikaze attacks that were launched as the U.S. invasion developed. Outnumbered, with heavy naval losses due to Japanese attacks, the invasion would fail. In the context of rising war weariness, the United States would ultimately come to the decision to seek a political end to the war, resulting in the "Core" territories of the Empire-the Home Islands, Korea, Formosa, Kurils, Karafuto and, most importantly, Manchuria-being retained under the continued dominance of Tokyo. Decisive fighting in mainland Asia would allow the Empire to likewise fend off the Soviet invasion, with heavy losses on both sides; China, however, would prove incapable of being kept, militarily or diplomatically as all the powers were in agreement on the issue.



Point of divergence is postwar. So none of this is okay sorry


Oh, I thought the PoD was 1945.
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Postby Dentali » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:49 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Dentali wrote:

Point of divergence is postwar. So none of this is okay sorry


Oh, I thought the PoD was 1945.



postwar PoD. And yea even if that wasn't the case this is not happening.
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Dentali wrote:
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Oh, I thought the PoD was 1945.



postwar PoD. And yea even if that wasn't the case this is not happening.


In that case, what is the status of South Africa, Spain and Portugal?
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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:03 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Dentali wrote:

postwar PoD. And yea even if that wasn't the case this is not happening.


In that case, what is the status of South Africa, Spain and Portugal?

Spain is still falangist immedialty following ww2 if you want a ultranationalist state.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:05 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
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In that case, what is the status of South Africa, Spain and Portugal?

Spain is still falangist immedialty following ww2 if you want a ultranationalist state.


I meant in terms of making sure no one has claimed them/reserved them.
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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:14 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:Spain is still falangist immedialty following ww2 if you want a ultranationalist state.


I meant in terms of making sure no one has claimed them/reserved them.


All open as far as i know, check page 1
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Postby Asardia » Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:09 pm

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Country Name: Kingdom of Italy
Head of State: King Umberto II
Head of Government: Prime Minister Alcide De Gasperi
Capital: Rome
Map/location: Italy, Eritrea and Somalia
Population: 50,355,982
Faction: NATO
History: Same as IRL, except Italy is still a monarchy and additionally retains control over Eritrea. Ethiopia support Italy and the Axis Powers during WW2, yet Italy switched sides amid civil war and made peace with the Allied Powers. It is now part of NATO and dedicated to oppose communist influence, while retaining influence over Eritrea and Somalia, both of whom are represented in the Senate.

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Country Name: Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea
Head of State/Government: Kim il-sung
Type of Government: juch single-party dictatorship
Capital: Pyongyang
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) NK 1950 borders
Population: 9,471,140
Faction: Soviet-aligned
History: same as NK in 1950 for the most part, NK relies heavily on soviet and chinese support though mosty soviet. Kim Il-sung is creating a personality cult to rival even Stalin and believes that he must liberate south korea and even beyond if he must. Currently in 1950, the DPRK is in a phase of re-armament thanks to the soviets providing surplus ww2 armaments. The dream of a Greater DPRK twinkles in kim il sungs eyes.


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Country Name: Empire of Japan
Head of State/Government: Emperor Hirohito
Type of Government: Absolute Monarchy/de facto military dictatorship
Capital: Tokyo
Map/location: The Home Islands of Japan, Formosa, Korea, the Kurils, Karafuto, and Manchukuo
Population: 95 Million
Faction: Neutral, fervently Anti-Communist, however.
History: By 1945, the course of the Second World War had firmly turned against the Empire since the initiation of hostiles with the Western Powers in December of 1941. The Imperial Navy had largely been sent on a death ride the previous fall, while the American conquest of the Marianas allowed for mass aerial bombardment of the Home Islands. Yet, the Imperial Army retained millions of men under arms and the battles of Okinawa and Iwo Jima, despite being defeats, had saw the IJA inflict equal casualties upon the United States, an event which struck terror into the Pentagon and American military leaders as the decisive battle-the invasion of Japan-loomed large. By August, the USAAF would undertake the nuclear destruction of Hiroshima, Kokura and Niigata in an effort to break IGHQ's willpower. Although this effort nearly succeeded in encouraging the Emperor to seek peace, a coup of militarists in what became known as the 8-15 Incident successfully prevented this.

As the Second World War in the Pacific continued, the United States was forced to undertake Operation Downfall in the hopes of finally forcing the Empire to cease resistance. Unfortunately for the American forces, by November the Imperial Army had amassed over 900,000 men in Kyushu in well prepared defenses, backed by over 9,000 aircraft of which 6,250 were reserved Kamikaze attacks that were launched as the U.S. invasion developed. Outnumbered, with heavy naval losses due to Japanese attacks, the invasion would fail. In the context of rising war weariness, the United States would ultimately come to the decision to seek a political end to the war, resulting in the "Core" territories of the Empire-the Home Islands, Korea, Formosa, Kurils, Karafuto and, most importantly, Manchuria-being retained under the continued dominance of Tokyo. Decisive fighting in mainland Asia would allow the Empire to likewise fend off the Soviet invasion, with heavy losses on both sides; China, however, would prove incapable of being kept, militarily or diplomatically as all the powers were in agreement on the issue.


This is interesting, however it's denied.First off, the Soviets dominated the Japanese. I admit this significant event is mainly ignored, but the Soviets put the clamps on the Japanese. That's the reason we even have a North Korea in the first place.

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postwar PoD. And yea even if that wasn't the case this is not happening.


In that case, what is the status of South Africa, Spain and Portugal?


South Africa is taken, and Spain and Portugal are open
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:17 pm

Asardia wrote:This is interesting, however it's denied.First off, the Soviets dominated the Japanese. I admit this significant event is mainly ignored, but the Soviets put the clamps on the Japanese. That's the reason we even have a North Korea in the first place.


I'm not going to argue over the App since it's your thing but as a matter of historical record, no, the Soviets didn't.

At the time of the surrender, the Kwantung Army was intact and retreating in good order. Outside of the First Area Army, its constituent elements had seen little, if any, heavy combat. Even for the aforementioned First Area Army, despite having taken a beating, remained combat effective. According to the Japanese records, the First Area Army's 3rd Army retained two thirds of its original effectiveness, the 5th Army (The force at the Battle of Mutanchiang) was at one half, the 128th Division (detached from 3rd Army) was also at one half and, finally, the 134th Division (under First Area Army HQ) was at two thirds effectiveness. The 122nd and 139th Divisions, meanwhile, had not been affected by the Soviet offensive to any real meaningful extent. To quote from the U.S. Army's JM-155 monograph, based on Post-War analysis of Japanese records:

"The loss of effectiveness had not been accompanied, however, by an equal loss of morale, for although the Soviet Army accomplished its objective of defeating the Kwantung Army it did not do so in a true military sense, since the Kwantung Army--much of it still intact--did not surrender because of military necessity but at the command of the Japanese emperor."

The Soviets likewise concurred, as S.M. Shtemenko's "The Soviet General Staff at War" states, on page 354:

"To precipitate a real surrender and prevent unnecessary bloodshed, it was decided to land airborne forces at key points in the enemy's lines - Harbin, Kirin, Mukden, Changchun, and some other cities of Manchuria and Korea. After 17:00 hours on August 18th aircraft carrying the first group of 120 airborne troops under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel Zabelin took off from Horol and set course for Harbin. This force had the task of seizing the aerodrome and other important military installations, protecting the bridges on the Sungari and holding them until the main forces of the First Far Eastern Front arrived. With the first echelon of the airborne force was Major-General G.A. Shelakhov, the Front's deputy chief of staff, who had been appointed special representative of the Military Council. His duties were to present a surrender ultimatum to the command of the Japanese forces in Harbin and dictate its terms to them. We had no precise information about the situation of the city and the Soviet Consulate there. All we knew was that the main forces of the First Front of the Kwantung Army were falling back on Harbin after their defeat at Mutanchiang. They formed a very considerable force."

I should note this particular passage is about the First Area Army in particular, so even in the Soviet's judgement the forces they had engaged heavily were still a potent enemy. This is especially notable as well, given that despite the weakened posture of the Kwantung Army in 1945 compared to previous years, the forces at Mutanchiang-the only major battle of the campaign-inflicted equal losses upon the Soviets, destroyed hundreds of tanks and thereafter remained combat capable while conducting an orderly withdraw in the aftermath!

The Soviet exploitation force was also bingo on fuel and thus immobile by day three of combat operations:

"Soviet sources do recognize severe short comings in their own logistical planning. The available supply transports were too few to cope with the demand. The road conditions were poor and, together with the rainy weather, caused severe delays in resupply operations. Estimates of fuel requirements were proved to be totally wrong. This severely affected the 6th Guards Tank Army in western Manchuria. This mobile army which was to operate deep behind enemy lines as an operational manoeuvre group (oMG) was in fact out of fuel already on the third day of the operation. It had to be resupplied with emergency air transportation of fuel. one peculiar fact is that the Soviet logistical planning relied heavily on the unrealistic assumption of using enemy railroads for troop and sup ply transports in Manchuria. This raises serious questions of the quality of the Soviet logistical planning. Another explanation is that the Soviet attack actually began before all necessary logistical preparations were in place. However, by launching an attack at an early stage it probably contributed to the creation of surprise."

They ended up not even reaching the outskirts of Mukden with just forward recon units until over a week after the Japanese surrender, and ended up having to use surrendered Japanese trains to occupy strategic areas like Port Arthur. Obviously this wouldn't have been possible with continued Japanese resistance.
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