The Cold War RP (OOC, Open)

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Tag, is point of divergence up to 1945? Or does it only start at 1945?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Country Name: Sweden|The Kingdom of Sweden
Head of State/Government: Gustav V/ Tage Erlander
Type of Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Stockholm
Map/location: Sweden. Being neutral in WWII doesn't give much room for expansion.
Population: 6,990,900 (OTL 1950 population -about 30,000, due to lack of refugees in this timeline)
Faction: Neutral, slightly western leanings

History: Sweden's history diverges from our own around 1943. In a more concentrated effort to remain neutral to Germany's posturing, Sweden, rather than taking in European and Jewish refugees, instead gave paltry naval assistance to an attempted evacuation of "undesirables" from German territory. This plan worked about as well as one might expect it to, and while a few refugee ships made it to England, the operation was a failure for the most part. This demoralized the Kingdom from providing further assistance to the Allies. When the Allies would invade Europe again, it would be without the Swedish intelligence and airbases it had in the original timeline. This did not have much impact on the Allies, but in Sweden, the effect was rather large. Extreme isolationism became government policy following the War.

When the masses of Europe called the Swedish name for relief in the days following the fall of the Reich, Sweden turned a blind eye. When cries for relief aimed at one of Euope's sole remaining industrial powers reached the Parliament, they fell on deaf ears. Instead Sweden participated in rather stingy and exclusive trade with both sides of the new emerging conflict. The profits from this exclusive trade were put towards instituting the welfare state in Sweden. However, industrialists and trade unionists, both of which were losing money and power from the isolation, abandoned the ruling Social Democratic party on mass. In the 1948 election, the Social Democrats lost a significant portion of their voters to both the Left party and the Liberal party. In addition, the Left party also an increase in Communist sympathizers during the election. As the new Parliament recovened, the question of the hour seemed to be which party would the barely victorious SDs form a coalition with to create a governement, along with their usual ally the Farmer's League. Erlander, a noted anti-communist, abandoned the Left for the Liberals, forming what many would call the "Strangle Coalition."

Though the Coalition created a government, the SDs and the Liberals often found themselves at odds over new reforms and neutrality. Though the two parties agreed on Sweden remaining a neutral power, the SDs favored the isolation, while the Liberals preferred a mutually beneficial role as a neutral trade hub for the world. Meanwhile, while the SDs tried to pass welfare reforms that the Liberals opposed for the most part. Fed up with gridlock, Erlander began to seek out ways he could force through his welfare legislation. Though he ultimately took no option in this regard, his consideration of such options was made public by an aide, agitating many centrist and right wing individuals in country. At the same time, rumors of Communist Interment Camps, supposedly set up by Erlander while he was a State Secretary, began to permeate the left. Several radical left wing ideological groups began to hold country wide protests, both garnering support and also driving a further wedge in the country. Sweden in 1949 finds itself at a crossroads between left and right wing ideologies, with Erlander and the SDs caught in the center, trying to keep the country together.

Name of faction: Vänsterförsvar, or VF for short
Leader: Oskar Nils
Influence: 1750 active members
Base of operations: Several hideouts on the outskirts of Stockholm.
Goals: To ensure a Socialist uprising in Sweden
History:The VF was formed by a once unknown Marxist named Oskar Nils in late 1948 after meeting with several other prominent radicals. The stated intention of the group was to bring the Revolution to Sweden, no matter the cost. Since then, VF has made several outposts outside of Stockholm and begun to organize itself as a proper paramilitary, though they have only just begun.

Name of faction: Herrförsvar, or HF
Leader: Klas Olsson
Influence: 8,725 active members
Base of operations: Malmö
Goals: To ensure the safety of the Swedish people against terrorist attacks.
History: HF was founded as an anti-communist paramilitary group in 1947 when the cracks in the SD government were first starting to form. It's founder, Klas Olsson, was a long time member of the Farmer's Union and vehement anti-communist. As fear and desperation began to grip the country heading into 1948, the HF began to grow in numbers, especially as the SDs began to aggrivate further the center and right wing. There is however a concern that the HF might be used as a rallying organization for far right nationalists and the remains of Sweden's brief Nazi movement.

DAMN IT! Got to it before I could

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Please reserve Chile, Bolivia, Argentina, Peru and Paraguay

[Greater Liverpool]

Please reserve Chile, Bolivia, Argentina, Peru and Paraguay

That is a lot of land you are taking?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Please reserve Chile, Bolivia, Argentina, Peru and Paraguay

That is a lot of land you are taking?

You'd still out populate me by about 20 million, not to mention you're about 2 million square kilometres bigger than me

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Too much fun

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Country Name: The United Republic of American Patriots
(Image)
Head of State/Government: Douglas MacArthur
Type of Government: Representative Democracy (officially)/Neo-Fascistic Military Dictatorship (unofficially)
Capital: Washington DC
Map/location US Territory in 1949, Mexico, Caribbean Islands not owned by European Powers
Population: 180,332,000
Faction: NATO
History: In the 30s, the great depression was in full spring. The assassination attempt on Roosevelt in February 1933 succeeds, driving the American Nation into further chaos and disarray. That same year, the business coup to overthrow American democracy and replace it with a Fascist Regime succeeds. The country is initially lead by a council made up of various businessmen, various right-wing officials and leaders, and later (to gain further support and appease them) various leading members of the military. At first support for the coup was high, as various civilians, seeing how Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany were doing, thought that it would lead to good for the country. This support would quickly drop as most of the council would implement very unpopular new laws, such as giving large swaths of land to various corporations and setting up death and labour camps for various "inferior races" like Jews and Blacks. Eventually, the military (who had constantly been overruled in matters by other parts of the council) lead by Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur, supported by the police, several other political entities and much of the population would lead a counter-coup, overthrowing the council and putting in place a military junta led by MacArthur, declaring himself Temporary Provisional Dictator until the crisis was over.

Soon MacArthur (increasing funding for both the military and the police, nearly bankrupting the country) would make sure that the military's (and his) power remains unchallenged, as he went out to remove major rivals. In the span of a year, he would continue and complete the campaigns of the previous regime, destroying any and all Communist and Major-Democratic Resistance. He would also proceed to seize all assets of the various corporations and businesses that took part in the coup, and even corporations that hadn't, taking all their manufacturing capabilities and their vast wealth. He would also purge the many Nationalist Socialist and Race-Hate Groups from government and from US Society (like the Black Legion, the KKK, the Silver Legion, and the Friends of New Germany Organisation, some of these members would later escape and join MacArthur) as according to MacArthur's own beliefs on the matter, killing their leaders and many of their followers. Soon, MacArthur's position in power would be secured. MacArthur would then proceed to repay the debts he used to pay for the army and police and then implement many popular reforms and new projects, increasing funding on welfare, setting up many new building projects, repelling the Prohibition Act, reforming the banks and more (hey, when you basically just looted the entire wealth of every corporation in the US (eg: Ford, Coca-Cola, etc), you tend to have some spending money). He also pursued more progressive reforms as well, especially in the case of race,

Soon, unemployment steadily dropped, and the country would once again prosper. In 1935 as the "crisis" was finally over, MacArthur would officially step down from power and hold elections. MacArthur would, of course, win in a landslide vote, becoming the 32nd President of the United States. MacArthur's first proclamation as President would be to reform the United States into the United Republic of American Patriots and declare a New American Order with him as President for an unspecified amount of time, which would not only be met with little opposition but applause from the masses. That same year, MacArthur would authorise War Plan Tan. Initially covering an intervention in Cuba, War Plan Tan was now expanded to cover the whole of the Caribbean. Citing growing Communist influence in the Caribbean, especially Cuba (now under the rule of Fulgencio Batista, who had several Communists in government positions), the URAP launched a mass “intervention” into the Caribbean, securing island nations like Haiti quickly.

The “intervention” in Cuba would be harder, as despite per part of the Cuban Constitution giving the US (or URAP now) the right to intervene in Cuba, many Communists and Right-Wingers resisted the occupation. Soon the URAP would flex it’s new military muscle, fighting against the new resistance group naming themselves the “United Cuba Liberation Army,” (UCLA) made up of Communists, other Radicals and even some battalions of the Cuban Army in a savage guerilla War. On the eve of 1936, Cuba would finally be pacified, giving the URAP its very first victory. But MacArthur would not be done yet, as he would secretly support the Communists in Mexico. Soon the Communists would launch a coup, overthrowing the government in Mexico and replacing it with a Communist Regime. The government, not knowing about the URAP’s involvement in the coup, would ask the URAP for help. MacArthur would “accept,” and authorise War Plan Green: the Invasion of Mexico. Soon the URAP army (many now veterans from their war in Cuba), would flood into Mexico. The war would last for over two years, with the Communist Mexican Army fighting very bravely and without fear. However facing the full might of the American Industrial Giant, a better well trained and well equipped veteran army, and a technologically superior force, it was only a matter of time. In 1937, the Mexican Communist Regime would officially surrender. The URAP would occupy the country to “protect” the country until a suitable government was chosen. The occupation was supposed to last for 4 months. The occupation would continue far longer than 4 months.

The re-awakened American giant would begin consolidating its power as the rest of the world fell into chaos with the advent of WWII, initially not willing to fight as they pursued an "America First" policy. All that changed in 1941, with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbour and the subsequent declarations of war upon the United Republic by Germany and the rest of the Axis Powers. Initially considered a threat to American dominance, URAP negotiated and soon enough allied with the British Empire and coordinated in sending the British supplies and sending in troops. The American advance would be swift and brutal as the full might of the American War Machine bore down on the Axis Powers in both Asia and Europe. It all ended in 1945, with the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Initially hesitant on the matter, MacArthur authorised the joining of NATO as well as the Marshall Plan; seeing both as necessary to create a strong front against something more important than "America First": opposition to the new Communist super bloc. Special attention was especially put on West Germany, as MacArthur believed that Germany's previous military might proved during WWII, its location as being the frontline and main bulwark against Communism in Europe as well as its righteous crusade against Communism would make it and a revived War Machine the most useful asset in the fight against the USSR. Secretly, URAP also began protecting and reinstating former SS and Nazi officials, believing them some of the aptest to use in the fight against Communism, allowing many to safely take refuge one the homeland.

Now URAP stands at the ready, awaiting the confrontation against Communism they knew would eventually come.

Well, this is certainly awkward, but understandable.

[Greater Liverpool]

Country Name: The United Republic of American Patriots
(Image)
Head of State/Government: Douglas MacArthur
Type of Government: Representative Democracy (officially)/Neo-Fascistic Military Dictatorship (unofficially)
Capital: Washington DC
Map/location US Territory in 1949, Mexico, Caribbean Islands not owned by European Powers
Population: 180,332,000
Faction: NATO
History: In the 30s, the great depression was in full spring. The assassination attempt on Roosevelt in February 1933 succeeds, driving the American Nation into further chaos and disarray. That same year, the business coup to overthrow American democracy and replace it with a Fascist Regime succeeds. The country is initially lead by a council made up of various businessmen, various right-wing officials and leaders, and later (to gain further support and appease them) various leading members of the military. At first support for the coup was high, as various civilians, seeing how Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany were doing, thought that it would lead to good for the country. This support would quickly drop as most of the council would implement very unpopular new laws, such as giving large swaths of land to various corporations and setting up death and labour camps for various "inferior races" like Jews and Blacks. Eventually, the military (who had constantly been overruled in matters by other parts of the council) lead by Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur, supported by the police, several other political entities and much of the population would lead a counter-coup, overthrowing the council and putting in place a military junta led by MacArthur, declaring himself Temporary Provisional Dictator until the crisis was over.

Soon MacArthur (increasing funding for both the military and the police, nearly bankrupting the country) would make sure that the military's (and his) power remains unchallenged, as he went out to remove major rivals. In the span of a year, he would continue and complete the campaigns of the previous regime, destroying any and all Communist and Major-Democratic Resistance. He would also proceed to seize all assets of the various corporations and businesses that took part in the coup, and even corporations that hadn't, taking all their manufacturing capabilities and their vast wealth. He would also purge the many Nationalist Socialist and Race-Hate Groups from government and from US Society (like the Black Legion, the KKK, the Silver Legion, and the Friends of New Germany Organisation, some of these members would later escape and join MacArthur) as according to MacArthur's own beliefs on the matter, killing their leaders and many of their followers. Soon, MacArthur's position in power would be secured. MacArthur would then proceed to repay the debts he used to pay for the army and police and then implement many popular reforms and new projects, increasing funding on welfare, setting up many new building projects, repelling the Prohibition Act, reforming the banks and more (hey, when you basically just looted the entire wealth of every corporation in the US (eg: Ford, Coca-Cola, etc), you tend to have some spending money). He also pursued more progressive reforms as well, especially in the case of race,

Soon, unemployment steadily dropped, and the country would once again prosper. In 1935 as the "crisis" was finally over, MacArthur would officially step down from power and hold elections. MacArthur would, of course, win in a landslide vote, becoming the 32nd President of the United States. MacArthur's first proclamation as President would be to reform the United States into the United Republic of American Patriots and declare a New American Order with him as President for an unspecified amount of time, which would not only be met with little opposition but applause from the masses. That same year, MacArthur would authorise War Plan Tan. Initially covering an intervention in Cuba, War Plan Tan was now expanded to cover the whole of the Caribbean. Citing growing Communist influence in the Caribbean, especially Cuba (now under the rule of Fulgencio Batista, who had several Communists in government positions), the URAP launched a mass “intervention” into the Caribbean, securing island nations like Haiti quickly.

The “intervention” in Cuba would be harder, as despite per part of the Cuban Constitution giving the US (or URAP now) the right to intervene in Cuba, many Communists and Right-Wingers resisted the occupation. Soon the URAP would flex it’s new military muscle, fighting against the new resistance group naming themselves the “United Cuba Liberation Army,” (UCLA) made up of Communists, other Radicals and even some battalions of the Cuban Army in a savage guerilla War. On the eve of 1936, Cuba would finally be pacified, giving the URAP its very first victory. But MacArthur would not be done yet, as he would secretly support the Communists in Mexico. Soon the Communists would launch a coup, overthrowing the government in Mexico and replacing it with a Communist Regime. The government, not knowing about the URAP’s involvement in the coup, would ask the URAP for help. MacArthur would “accept,” and authorise War Plan Green: the Invasion of Mexico. Soon the URAP army (many now veterans from their war in Cuba), would flood into Mexico. The war would last for over two years, with the Communist Mexican Army fighting very bravely and without fear. However facing the full might of the American Industrial Giant, a better well trained and well equipped veteran army, and a technologically superior force, it was only a matter of time. In 1937, the Mexican Communist Regime would officially surrender. The URAP would occupy the country to “protect” the country until a suitable government was chosen. The occupation was supposed to last for 4 months. The occupation would continue far longer than 4 months.

The re-awakened American giant would begin consolidating its power as the rest of the world fell into chaos with the advent of WWII, initially not willing to fight as they pursued an "America First" policy. All that changed in 1941, with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbour and the subsequent declarations of war upon the United Republic by Germany and the rest of the Axis Powers. Initially considered a threat to American dominance, URAP negotiated and soon enough allied with the British Empire and coordinated in sending the British supplies and sending in troops. The American advance would be swift and brutal as the full might of the American War Machine bore down on the Axis Powers in both Asia and Europe. It all ended in 1945, with the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Initially hesitant on the matter, MacArthur authorised the joining of NATO as well as the Marshall Plan; seeing both as necessary to create a strong front against something more important than "America First": opposition to the new Communist super bloc. Special attention was especially put on West Germany, as MacArthur believed that Germany's previous military might proved during WWII, its location as being the frontline and main bulwark against Communism in Europe as well as its righteous crusade against Communism would make it and a revived War Machine the most useful asset in the fight against the USSR. Secretly, URAP also began protecting and reinstating former SS and Nazi officials, believing them some of the aptest to use in the fight against Communism, allowing many to safely take refuge one the homeland.

Now URAP stands at the ready, awaiting the confrontation against Communism they knew would eventually come.

Well, this is certainly awkward, but understandable.

Didn't you app for America?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Country Name: The United Republic of American Patriots
(Image)
Head of State/Government: Douglas MacArthur
Type of Government: Representative Democracy (officially)/Neo-Fascistic Military Dictatorship (unofficially)
Capital: Washington DC
Map/location US Territory in 1949, Mexico, Caribbean Islands not owned by European Powers
Population: 180,332,000
Faction: NATO
History: In the 30s, the great depression was in full spring. The assassination attempt on Roosevelt in February 1933 succeeds, driving the American Nation into further chaos and disarray. That same year, the business coup to overthrow American democracy and replace it with a Fascist Regime succeeds. The country is initially lead by a council made up of various businessmen, various right-wing officials and leaders, and later (to gain further support and appease them) various leading members of the military. At first support for the coup was high, as various civilians, seeing how Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany were doing, thought that it would lead to good for the country. This support would quickly drop as most of the council would implement very unpopular new laws, such as giving large swaths of land to various corporations and setting up death and labour camps for various "inferior races" like Jews and Blacks. Eventually, the military (who had constantly been overruled in matters by other parts of the council) lead by Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur, supported by the police, several other political entities and much of the population would lead a counter-coup, overthrowing the council and putting in place a military junta led by MacArthur, declaring himself Temporary Provisional Dictator until the crisis was over.

Soon MacArthur (increasing funding for both the military and the police, nearly bankrupting the country) would make sure that the military's (and his) power remains unchallenged, as he went out to remove major rivals. In the span of a year, he would continue and complete the campaigns of the previous regime, destroying any and all Communist and Major-Democratic Resistance. He would also proceed to seize all assets of the various corporations and businesses that took part in the coup, and even corporations that hadn't, taking all their manufacturing capabilities and their vast wealth. He would also purge the many Nationalist Socialist and Race-Hate Groups from government and from US Society (like the Black Legion, the KKK, the Silver Legion, and the Friends of New Germany Organisation, some of these members would later escape and join MacArthur) as according to MacArthur's own beliefs on the matter, killing their leaders and many of their followers. Soon, MacArthur's position in power would be secured. MacArthur would then proceed to repay the debts he used to pay for the army and police and then implement many popular reforms and new projects, increasing funding on welfare, setting up many new building projects, repelling the Prohibition Act, reforming the banks and more (hey, when you basically just looted the entire wealth of every corporation in the US (eg: Ford, Coca-Cola, etc), you tend to have some spending money). He also pursued more progressive reforms as well, especially in the case of race,

Soon, unemployment steadily dropped, and the country would once again prosper. In 1935 as the "crisis" was finally over, MacArthur would officially step down from power and hold elections. MacArthur would, of course, win in a landslide vote, becoming the 32nd President of the United States. MacArthur's first proclamation as President would be to reform the United States into the United Republic of American Patriots and declare a New American Order with him as President for an unspecified amount of time, which would not only be met with little opposition but applause from the masses. That same year, MacArthur would authorise War Plan Tan. Initially covering an intervention in Cuba, War Plan Tan was now expanded to cover the whole of the Caribbean. Citing growing Communist influence in the Caribbean, especially Cuba (now under the rule of Fulgencio Batista, who had several Communists in government positions), the URAP launched a mass “intervention” into the Caribbean, securing island nations like Haiti quickly.

The “intervention” in Cuba would be harder, as despite per part of the Cuban Constitution giving the US (or URAP now) the right to intervene in Cuba, many Communists and Right-Wingers resisted the occupation. Soon the URAP would flex it’s new military muscle, fighting against the new resistance group naming themselves the “United Cuba Liberation Army,” (UCLA) made up of Communists, other Radicals and even some battalions of the Cuban Army in a savage guerilla War. On the eve of 1936, Cuba would finally be pacified, giving the URAP its very first victory. But MacArthur would not be done yet, as he would secretly support the Communists in Mexico. Soon the Communists would launch a coup, overthrowing the government in Mexico and replacing it with a Communist Regime. The government, not knowing about the URAP’s involvement in the coup, would ask the URAP for help. MacArthur would “accept,” and authorise War Plan Green: the Invasion of Mexico. Soon the URAP army (many now veterans from their war in Cuba), would flood into Mexico. The war would last for over two years, with the Communist Mexican Army fighting very bravely and without fear. However facing the full might of the American Industrial Giant, a better well trained and well equipped veteran army, and a technologically superior force, it was only a matter of time. In 1937, the Mexican Communist Regime would officially surrender. The URAP would occupy the country to “protect” the country until a suitable government was chosen. The occupation was supposed to last for 4 months. The occupation would continue far longer than 4 months.

The re-awakened American giant would begin consolidating its power as the rest of the world fell into chaos with the advent of WWII, initially not willing to fight as they pursued an "America First" policy. All that changed in 1941, with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbour and the subsequent declarations of war upon the United Republic by Germany and the rest of the Axis Powers. Initially considered a threat to American dominance, URAP negotiated and soon enough allied with the British Empire and coordinated in sending the British supplies and sending in troops. The American advance would be swift and brutal as the full might of the American War Machine bore down on the Axis Powers in both Asia and Europe. It all ended in 1945, with the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Initially hesitant on the matter, MacArthur authorised the joining of NATO as well as the Marshall Plan; seeing both as necessary to create a strong front against something more important than "America First": opposition to the new Communist super bloc. Special attention was especially put on West Germany, as MacArthur believed that Germany's previous military might proved during WWII, its location as being the frontline and main bulwark against Communism in Europe as well as its righteous crusade against Communism would make it and a revived War Machine the most useful asset in the fight against the USSR. Secretly, URAP also began protecting and reinstating former SS and Nazi officials, believing them some of the aptest to use in the fight against Communism, allowing many to safely take refuge one the homeland.

Now URAP stands at the ready, awaiting the confrontation against Communism they knew would eventually come.

Well, this is certainly awkward, but understandable.

Wait, did you app as America?

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Well, this is certainly awkward, but understandable.

Didn't you app for America?

Eh...I had been debating on what do to in all honesty. The timeline restrictions made things a little too close to normalcy for me. I am willing to concede the U.S because an idea occurred to me. What if Germany was punished even further, and there is no unified state in allied occupied Germany?

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

I have been reading up on the allied occupation zones and might play as a state carved out of the British occupation zone. The logic is that in place of a moderated response to post-war germany a more radical approach to Germany is taken.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Didn't you app for America?

Eh...I had been debating on what do to in all honesty. The timeline restrictions made things a little too close to normalcy for me. I am willing to concede the U.S because an idea occurred to me. What if Germany was punished even further, and there is no unified state in allied occupied Germany?

I mean, you could also do a much more militant West Germany with a more prevalent remaining Nazi/Fascist influence on it

If my app is accepted, that's a potential possibility

[Hypron]

I have been reading up on the allied occupation zones and might play as a state carved out of the British occupation zone. The logic is that in place of a moderated response to post-war germany a more radical approach to Germany is taken.

Intriguing.

[Greater Liverpool]

Didn't you app for America?

Eh...I had been debating on what do to in all honesty. The timeline restrictions made things a little too close to normalcy for me. I am willing to concede the U.S because an idea occurred to me. What if Germany was punished even further, and there is no unified state in allied occupied Germany?

I mean France or Spain might be interesting especially Spain because you could flip to either Commie or Democratic or even stay Fascist

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

I have been reading up on the allied occupation zones and might play as a state carved out of the British occupation zone. The logic is that in place of a moderated response to post-war germany a more radical approach to Germany is taken.

Intriguing.

It fits because the French followed somewhat reluctantly by the British wanted Germany to be dissolved as a territory. Of course, moderates won out in both treaties, but the fact exists that had one thing switched Germany might be a bunch of states instead of two when the cold war starts.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Hell when it came to reunification Thatcher's government, the French and the Italians were abhorred at the idea of potential German reunification when they noted East Germany was getting far too weak to sustain itself.

[Hypron]

Im planning to have 2 aircraft carriers completed earlier than usual, HMS Eagle and HMS Ark Royal, 2 Audacious class aircraft carriers. They were commissioned in 1951 and 1955 respectively, but i plan to remedy this by having the Eagle laid down 2 years earlier and the Ark Royal completed faster because they had experience building the Eagle.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audacious-class_aircraft_carrier

[Arlye Austros]

I recall taking part on a Cold War RP years ago and it was fun. What nations would be required? I am tempted to go West Germany, Spain, some Latin American country or a warsaw pact one.

[Hypron]

Most countries in Europe, Africa, and Asia are still open, while South America has mostly been claimed.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Country Name: Norddeutschland.

Head of State/Government:
Head of State: His Majesty Nikolaus the 1st.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaus, ... _Oldenburg

Head of Government- Chancellor Otto Schultze
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Schultze

Type of Government: Limited Monarchism with a highly autonomous Bundestag, and the judiciary. The government is currently "under advisement" of the British political association known as "The Action Committee of North Germany". In essence, it ensures that Norddeutschland doesn't stray too far from British wishes.

Capital: Oldenburg.

Map/location: Formerly the British occupation zone


Population: 25 million. The population of allied Germany combined in 66 million.

Faction: NATO (heavily under British advisement).

History: Norddeutschland came about in 1946 as part of the multi-state plan enacted by the allies to destroy the idea that a united Germany would, in theory, come about again. This is partly done as a response to the Soviets increased attempts at forming a cohesive state in the east, and partly done at the behest of some concessions to french radicals. Norddeutschland serves as a contradictory force within the region as by all rights it is a sovereign state with its own military and administration. Yet the British maintain a token military force as well as an advisory political group to watch the government. Had the advisory group not gotten involved in the political machinations then Norddeutschland might very well be a truly neutral state.

The future does hold some rather interesting questions for the young state. The monarch clearly owes their position to British benefactors, but it can be said that not all Germans were anti-monarchists even after the end of the first world war. Quite a few of the conspiracies against Hitler often involved those of monarchist persuasion. Yet unlike the Kaiser of old, the monarch doesn't have nearly as much power if any truth is told. There is also the issue of the U.S still administering territories within Norddeutschland that would be vital additions to the young countries economy.

Regardless of what comes things will be interesting.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Country Name: Norddeutschland.

Head of State/Government:
Head of State: His Majesty Nikolaus the 1st.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaus, ... _Oldenburg

Head of Government- Chancellor Otto Schultze
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Schultze

Type of Government: Limited Monarchism with a highly autonomous Bundestag, and the judiciary. The government is currently "under advisement" of the British political association known as "The Action Committee of North Germany". In essence, it ensures that Norddeutschland doesn't stray too far from British wishes.

Capital: Oldenburg.

Map/location: Formerly the British occupation zone
(Image)

Population: 25 million. The population of allied Germany combined in 66 million.

Faction: NATO (heavily under British advisement).

History: Norddeutschland came about in 1946 as part of the multi-state plan enacted by the allies to destroy the idea that a united Germany would, in theory, come about again. This is partly done as a response to the Soviets increased attempts at forming a cohesive state in the east, and partly done at the behest of some concessions to french radicals. Norddeutschland serves as a contradictory force within the region as by all rights it is a sovereign state with its own military and administration. Yet the British maintain a token military force as well as an advisory political group to watch the government. Had the advisory group not gotten involved in the political machinations then Norddeutschland might very well be a truly neutral state.

The future does hold some rather interesting questions for the young state. The monarch clearly owes their position to British benefactors, but it can be said that not all Germans were anti-monarchists even after the end of the first world war. Quite a few of the conspiracies against Hitler often involved those of monarchist persuasion. Yet unlike the Kaiser of old, the monarch doesn't have nearly as much power if any truth is told. There is also the issue of the U.S still administering territories within Norddeutschland that would be vital additions to the young countries economy.

Regardless of what comes things will be interesting.

Would you be interested in further funding for Norddeutschland's Grenztruppen?

[Dentali]

I thought point of divergence was 1945 postwar? wouldn't that include surrendering to the United States? Furthermore the Soviet Union didn't declare war or have a navy on that side of the world large enough for that kind of oepration. Finally I clearly control Manchuria in my app so you can't have it.

The Soviet Union invaded Manchuria with 1.5 million men, which played a role in the surrender of Japan and the split of Korea. Now, if we're really talking about historical accuracy, then that means the Soviets would have maintained control of Manchuria if they didn't think China would be able to fall to communism. The success of the Mao Zedong led the Soviets to give it to the People's Republic of China

I just said the USSR would want to keep presence in that area, but since we want to keep things close to the timeline, a Manchuria occupied by the USSR would make more sense anyway. But I'm not going to push this. And plus, if the US player is fine with a communist Japan, then I see no objections.

Tagging here. Is anywhere in Scandinavia reserved right now?

Scandinavia is open

Im just asking, in 1949, can a person use weapons that are slightly ahead of time? For example: The British L1A1 Self-Loading Rifle was introduced in 1954, but i want to use this on my 1949 marine units.

It seems the gun was still being manufactured around this time, and although I don't think it's a really big deal, I'd say stick with the 1948 weapons but see about speeding up research/production.

What is the official designation date for point of divergence? I only ask considering our communist french here were formed in the 1910s. Unless that is from before attempts were made to prevent the timeline from getting too out of wack.

That app was accepted before I clarified the roles. And it appears a communist Japan right at the end of 1945 is too much, and I'm just going to say this. Keep the changes to WW2. The French could have done some shenanigans about integrating Wallonie and East Switzerland to their land, but the most part, a communist France doesn't seem to stray too far off from the timeline. Maybe after WW2 the government goes communist

Bull fucking shit, you accepted my app which clearly shows my control of Manchuria. You can't just throw it out on a whim thats against basic RP guidelines. I'm out of the RP if you're going to just be a garbage OP.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Dude chill, he already he said he wasn't gonna make it a huge issue
"...a Manchuria occupied by the USSR would make more sense anyway. But I'm not going to push this."

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Additionally, ranting and suddenly exploding is gonna give you little brownie points

[Hypron]

Country Name: Norddeutschland.

Head of State/Government:
Head of State: His Majesty Nikolaus the 1st.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaus, ... _Oldenburg

Head of Government- Chancellor Otto Schultze
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Schultze

Type of Government: Limited Monarchism with a highly autonomous Bundestag, and the judiciary. The government is currently "under advisement" of the British political association known as "The Action Committee of North Germany". In essence, it ensures that Norddeutschland doesn't stray too far from British wishes.

Capital: Oldenburg.

Map/location: Formerly the British occupation zone
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Population: 25 million. The population of allied Germany combined in 66 million.

Faction: NATO (heavily under British advisement).

History: Norddeutschland came about in 1946 as part of the multi-state plan enacted by the allies to destroy the idea that a united Germany would, in theory, come about again. This is partly done as a response to the Soviets increased attempts at forming a cohesive state in the east, and partly done at the behest of some concessions to french radicals. Norddeutschland serves as a contradictory force within the region as by all rights it is a sovereign state with its own military and administration. Yet the British maintain a token military force as well as an advisory political group to watch the government. Had the advisory group not gotten involved in the political machinations then Norddeutschland might very well be a truly neutral state.

The future does hold some rather interesting questions for the young state. The monarch clearly owes their position to British benefactors, but it can be said that not all Germans were anti-monarchists even after the end of the first world war. Quite a few of the conspiracies against Hitler often involved those of monarchist persuasion. Yet unlike the Kaiser of old, the monarch doesn't have nearly as much power if any truth is told. There is also the issue of the U.S still administering territories within Norddeutschland that would be vital additions to the young countries economy.

Regardless of what comes things will be interesting.

Would you be interested in further funding for Norddeutschland's Grenztruppen?

Ill back you on this. It means I don't need that many troops in West Germany. (Although ill still probably have a Armored Division there)